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#7 - 09/09/03 12:20 PM Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
In an innovative move the self defined doyen of independent internet sites has added a photo gallery to his Zimbabwe news site.

The photo gallery is supposedly a protest against the participation by people from our region in pornographic and promiscuous sexual pactises.

The form of the protest, surprisingly, is to show pictures of a number of people indulging in these practises.

Apparently this is an exercise in intellectual honesty and moralism.

I wonder if you could outline whether Inkundla intends to start employing these innovations or whether you believe your site can attract sufficient attention from the intellectual community without having to grub in the gutter like the Gadarene swine?

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#8 - 09/09/03 02:00 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Sibalukhulu Offline


Ngqwele
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Registered: 04/03/06
Posts: 126
Loc: London
Marcus, the answer to the question is an emphatic NO!!

The question to the answer is "are you worried about something?"
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#9 - 09/09/03 03:32 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
LOL!

No, Black Eagle, I am not worried at all - just relieved that unlike some whose names I won't mention you are not prepared to let your high standards slip!

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#10 - 09/11/03 11:24 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
Marcus I happen to be the editor of the site you write about. To describe me as a "Gadarene swine" with the full backing of this site's editors is definitely below the belt.
For your own information, we don't need naked people to be relevant. We are already.

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#11 - 09/12/03 01:04 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Potshoza Offline
Nduna

Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 481
Loc: Leamington Spa
Mdu,
I am neither Marcus nor Administrator, but I would have thought that if you really are who you say you are then you would neither have been moved nor worried about such minor "insult". I am sure because of the nature of your work worse things have been said and done to you.

Its alright for you journos to dish it out but you obviously cannot a handle a little bit of the taste of your own medicine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

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#12 - 09/12/03 02:18 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mdu I am glad you have logged on to defend the regrettable decision to show those gratuitous pics.

May I say that the criticisms I have expressed are my own and I don't think Ngqungqulu can be associated with the substantive detail of what I have written.

I can assure you that if I had access to a forum on your site I would have expressed my opinions there.

As it is I have posted satirical comments about these pics here and for your information at the Shumba forum.


I think you'll agree that Ngqungqulu's witty response may have indicated a determination not to follow your site's example: at the same time he indicated an amused detachment from my position.

As Cde Potshoza has written, please do bear in mind that in the public forum comments will be made that may sting or bruise momentarily without any intention to cause permanent injury.

I have described you as a credible journalist with a track record, I hope and expect, to success, in response to criticism from Zanu PF critics.

If you accept the sincerity of my criticisms please accept the sincerity of the compliments too.

But I stand by those criticisms.

Running the pics was salaciousness posing as righteousness; lewdness posing as moralism; crudeness posing as refinement; rudeness posing as good manners.

I think it suggest English tabloid influence and I don't believe this is an expression of respect to Zimbabwean women in general.

I don't think you should exploit your power as a website owner by abusing these young women and threatening to expose them shows you in a bad light as a bully.

I hope we are not going to see a "Page Three" type appearance at your site every day.

I reiterate that I have much respect for your sense of enterprise Mdu.

I am happy to continue the exchange but please do not feel it necessary to draw the host of this site into further discussions.

<small>[ 12.09.2003, 17:03: Message edited by: Marcus ]</small>

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#13 - 09/15/03 09:56 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
you are a man of fine words, probably more intelligent and eloquent than myself. I think you have heard what i had to say on this matter and you have been heard. I hope we will respect those two distinct zones of thought without resorting to abuse, posing as criticism....

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#14 - 09/16/03 11:13 AM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
Potshoza
Journos are generally restricted from being personal and abusive in their work, all I object to is abuse Potshoza. there is a wide chasm between criticism and abuse.

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#15 - 09/16/03 12:15 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mdu let's hope we have heard each other.

The respect for the good things you have done remains and will remain but the use of the abusive photographs also remains a matter of criticism to me.

As to reference to the Gadarene swine, well the use of piggishness on this site was pioneered not by me but by one Jazerindizayo.

But I think you might already know that.

In any event, today we hear the news of the resignation of a brave and principled journo Francis Mdlongwa.

One hopes up and coming journalists will prefer to follow his elevated standards than those of English tabloid tattlers.

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#16 - 09/16/03 05:25 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Jazelindizayo Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 388
Loc: At large
Marcus, Marcus - The name as you well know is Jazelindizayo and not as you choose to spell it. I suspect that it is yet another of ploy to get me onto this august forum. In as much as I would like to fill the forum with my thoughts and engage in social intercoure with all and sundry on this here forum, you will be displeased ( or may be pleased - take your pick!!) to know that urgent and pressing professional commitments prevent me from doing so.

In any case it would appear that you are holding the fort well and if I might ask how goes the World record attempt at the Shumba forum- are you back to your prodigious output???

Having said that there is very little to say about the pornographic pictures on the newzim website. Correct me if I am wrong didn't the pornographic photos appear next to a story about the exploitation of Zim women by Asian men in the UK. Yet none of the men in the photos is Asian! What then was the relationship between the photos and the story of the women? Secondly the story itself was about Zim women becoming unwitting stars in pornographic photos and media - yet when one looks at the photos it is obvious that the participants posed for those photos. Again bringing into question the relevance of the photos to the story.

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