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#17109 - 11/02/05 11:30 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
UMakhinte lo Samdala bazofun'ukuhlolwa nguDoctor
wengqondo.Plus imithambo yabo yegazi ngibona angathi ilegazi lesitshabi kancane.Libabona njani? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

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#17110 - 11/02/05 11:58 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
mninimuzi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 456
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Samdala
There are few questions that l raised sometime back and uMakhinte confessed his inadequate knowledge on some of the issues raised.With no sinister motives,l would like you to help me with some answers as far as you can.Here are the questions;;

1]Can you provide evidence that your umdali is not a mortal and mere ordinary human being.
2]Akungitshele ngombango okhona manje eGuta.
Laba okuthiwa balwela isikhundla sokuba ngomdali ngabakhethiweyo na or whoever is going to win the fight will be the chosen one-and hence assume the role of being the next umdali?
3]Njengoba lina lingakhonzi ibhayibhili elingwcele lakwa lsrayeli are you also striving to reach the same kingdom of heaven [lapho okulabo Jesu laboMose laboYelija khona]or you have a unique and different idea of heaven?
lf so,can you describe to me the ideal picture of the kind of heaven or ultimate destination that you are longing and praying to get the final rest khona.
Ngingajabula mfowethu ma ungangipha impendulo kulezizidideko engiziqambe ngaphezulu.

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#17111 - 11/02/05 12:31 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Bhudaza Offline
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
I found this relevant

2 die during healing crusade
02/11/2005 12:10 - (SA)

Harare - Two Zimbabweans died at a special church meeting to pray for healing, the state-run Herald reported on Wednesday.

The deaths happened during a "healing crusade" held at the National Sports Stadium in Harare, according to a police spokesperson.

"We confirm that we received a report of sudden deaths which occurred at the National Sports Stadium during a Zaoga (Zimbabwe Assemblies of God Africa) church service on October 29," said spokesperson Andrew Phiri.

The two men, both in their 30s, were ill and had been brought by relatives to the service in the hope they would be healed, the Herald said. But they died during the meeting. Police were still investigating the case, said the spokesperson. - Sapa-dpa

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#17112 - 11/02/05 12:46 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
samdala Offline
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Registered: 08/21/02
Posts: 178
Loc: lexington
Mninimuzi,

Umdali is not a human being. Umdali is the spirit (umoya ongcwele ohlala emuntwini). The person who is chosen to host that spirit is indeed a mere mortal. Ngakho kuyadingeka ukuzwisisa ukwehlukania umuntu wenyama lomoya ongcwele. UNkulunkulu is not the person but the spirit. Jesus by the way was also a mere mortal like all other great servants of God. Lapha ngisebenzisa uJesu njengomzekeliso kuphela.

Umbango okhona khathesi as far as I am concerned is more about greed by some individuals than anything else. Kulokungazwisisi njalo ukuthi umuntu ohlalwa ngumoya ongcwele kakhethwa ngabantu benyama.

UNkulunkulu (umoya ongcwele), uyazikhethela umuntu azasebenza ekuye. UMakhinte walichasisela kabanzi ngezehlakalo zokuvela komoya ongcwele. I won't repeat it.

Ibhayibhili alikhonzwa muntu. Sengisitsho lawo amaKristu Mninimuzi awakhonzi ibhayibhili. Akhonza uNkulunkulu. The bible is a book of holy scriptures which Christians believe in, not worship.

EGuta sikholwa ukuthi umuntu kumele aphile impilo enhle esasekhonapha emhlabeni.

Bandla,

Bakithi likunanzelele ukuthi no one can possibly satisfy the curiosity of all and sundry here ngeGuta. Some people's questions are driven by curiosity, others by derision and a few are genuine.

Imibuzo eminengi loba ivela from different people, iyafana in terms of substance. Ngakho imibuzo esiphenduliwe ngaphambilini, angisoze ngizihluphe ngokuyiphendula.

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#17113 - 11/02/05 01:14 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Lobengula Offline
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Samdala

I kindly request you baba, with all due respect for your religion, to kindly answer my few questions directly above. You can do so using very short crisp answers that won't waste too much of your precious time. These are questions that have always kept me away from this otherwise respected religion, which I respect so much. Please Sir, kindly do me a favour if you can, but if you can't then perhaps other adherents can answer the said questions because as evidence shows, there are numerous members of Guta in this forum.

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#17114 - 11/02/05 01:23 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
tata Offline
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Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2
Loc: united kingdom
I am really sorry to say (to those who worship grm) that what they bealive in is absolutely bollocks.(ngumbono wami lami) Lona ibible liyatsho ukuthi ngensuku zokuncina lizabona abaphophet bamanga ,bezithi ngabakaNkulunkulu,imikhuhlane engelaphekiyo etc Just look how many disasters we had this year Katrina,Irvin,Earthquakes,Tsumani just to mention a few.Umdali(not a capital letter on it)could hardly speak Ndebele and he was a Nyasaranda.You know how they handle the mithi stuff. Many pple are driven to the church thinking they will get rich and grm will help them solve their problems,and you will never see them come out.If you think about it really, many pple that joined igrm had proplems.(((((((((((((Free world my brother say what you want to say.)))000000000 <img border="0" alt="[wavey]" title="" src="graemlins/wavey.gif" />

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#17115 - 11/02/05 01:36 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
Samdala!

Ngiyadabuka nxa ngifunda imibhalo yakho ngaphezulu lapha.

U Jesu esebuyela ezulwini wathembisa abafundi bakhe ukuba the Holy Spirit izeza ukuzagcwala bonke abantu in all Judea, Samaria and to the ends of the earth. Lalamuhla lokhu ukulindele lawe uMoya Ongcwele Samdala nxa uwemukela. Akusiso sipho somuntu oyedwa qha! Funda ku Acts 2 verses 4-8. there in lies the promise. UMdali wenu lowo uyaliqila nxa esithi nguye yedwa olamandla okuthola uMoya KaNgcwele.

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#17116 - 11/02/05 02:00 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
mninimuzi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 456
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Ngiyabonga bafethu ngempendulo zenu,Makhinte loSamdala,ngiyabonga kakhulu.Mina sengiphuma endabeni le.Ngizaqhubeka ngibala amacontributions abantu.Bye

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#17117 - 11/02/05 02:06 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Mabila

Are you talking about the worship of false gods or what? Remember there are so many self-styled gods but in this case we are talking about the god of the GRM as paraded by its adherents. Iam sure he is not a false god, I do not know for certain whether he is or not. That is ultra vires or beyond my scope. What I know with certainty is the existence of God, the Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, that one is beyond question.

I still kindly request my friend samdala to kindly answer my questions. I know he is a liberal fellow who does not brook fundamental fanaticism and spiritual jingoism.

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#17118 - 11/02/05 03:10 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ozithembayo Offline
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Registered: 09/21/05
Posts: 109
Loc: emhlabeni
Bakwethu, iGUTA yi cult. Kanti yindabavele ilebizo lesitshabi? Mina ngilezihlobo ezikhonza khona, ziphambene imihlolo. Ukwenza kwabo, inzondo, imihawu lokungadlelani labanye ngo number one. Kodwa kuthiwa siyakhonza. Yekelani izinto zesitshabi bakhonzane bodwa khonale. UMthwakazi ongena khona asimthandazeleni, ukhonza abantu abaletha iGukurahundi, kukudala inkosi ibizakuthi kabasuselwe amanqhe.

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