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#18900 - 09/27/03 10:56 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
thrower Offline
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Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 60
Loc: Blessed Land
Jazi,

I thought a mind was useful only if its opened.This time it seems eyakho isindelwe edakeni loba singathi iyala ukuhluma.

<small>[ 27.09.2003, 12:58: Message edited by: thrower ]</small>

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#18901 - 09/28/03 08:06 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
gwesela Offline
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Registered: 07/01/03
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Bafowethu abahloniphekayo, nxa kukhona izikhwica mfundo phakathi kwenu khonapho kuyabukeka kakhulukazi sibili, kodwa ke thina lathi omabhimu kumele liyihloniphe imibono yethu ngoba phela ukufunda kwenu lokho kungayisikho ukuthi selisazi konke.Ukutshela umuntu ukuthi kacabangi mina angikuboni kungcono kulokuthi amashona players asiwafuni kubhosso, asekeleni ukuba ngo uncle tom sikhangele iqiniso njengoba liyilo bafowethu singavalingomncwado wodwa kodwa asisebenziseni ibhetshu.

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#18902 - 09/29/03 11:38 AM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
gwesela Offline
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Gwesela - ngenhlonipho enkulu baba, ukukhuluma intando yakho akutsho ukuthi umuntu kumele akhulume ingcekeza njalo akhulume engela kuzibamba. ESoweto eBF umuntu angenza akufunayo. Kodwa ngenhlonipho lapha ayisikho eBF, kusebulenjini lapho izinto ezilotshwe khona zingabonwa njalo zibalwe loba ngubani okwesikhathi eside.

Zwana ke Jazi mfowethu ngibona angani akulamntwana omncane ofunukutshelwa ukuthi akhulume njani and so on.Njalo ngiyakwazi mhlophe ukuthi lapha ayisikho eBF kusenkundleni.
Okumele ukwenze Jazi yikuthi uqale wena uthanyele iguma lakho andubana ubone amaguma abomakhelwane ukungcola.
Thina abanye siphilela ibhosso kusukela ekuqaleni kwayo, thina sikhuluma ibhosso mfowethu kuze kuyovalwa, nxa inkulumo ekhulunywa lapha ingakuphathi kuhle, yekela kumbe ucele abaphathi benkundle befake itopic ethi Esabatheni instead of emagumeni.Udingani ematopo nxa ungafuni ukubona indwangu?? <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" />

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#18903 - 09/29/03 03:59 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
Jazelindizayo Offline
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by thrower:
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Jazi,
Into angangiyitsho,yayingatsho amashona njengoba engamashona.Ngathi kumele kuxotshwe amaplayaz eHarare,meaning ama ex Dynamos labanye abavele bekhulele kuKarikamombe njengati sivele sakhula lamanye amashona silapha kunkundla eyiyona emeleuMthwakazi jikelele.
Njengoba ubuza mfowethu,ikhona iemail yami nga wdinga isizatho sokuthi siyicubungule ngiveze lami umqondo ngangiwuphosile.
My point is that,soppose mina ngingumdlali webhola,ngilitshilamoya nginje,ngibe sengithengwa yi Danamosi,mfowethu sidibana leBosso ngiyakutshela ngingadlisa into ongazakeuyibone,why?,Zinengi izizathu,ngeke ngibone eyekhaya idliwa,lapho ke ngeke mfoka Jazi.Lakho kunjalo kubafana beHalale,Angitsho ukuthi amashona ngitsho umhlobo ngithi isizwe.

Usale kuhle undiza mfowethu.

Jazi,

I thought a mind was useful only if its opened.This time it seems eyakho isindelwe edakeni loba singathi iyala ukuhluma. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is mildly amusing that you should attempt to weasel out of your earlier vitriolic and racist outburst about Shona players playing for Highlanders by couching your uncouth rhetoric in terms of the place where one was brought up. It is mind boggling that you should choose to labour under the misconception that if you are born in Bulawayo then you should support Bosso or if you are born in Harare then automatically you are a Dynamos supporter. Equally mind boggling is your attempt to potray professional/semi- professional football players as die hard supporters for the clubs that they play for. As one contributor points out to you that players do not neccessarily play for teams that they support but rather for teams that best meet their financial requirement - David Beckham played in the second leg of the Champions league for Manchester United and scored twice against Real Madrid. Yet that did not stop Real Madrid from signing him and he turning out for them. Thus for you to suggest that a player who has played for Dynamos should never play for Bosso is at best described as nonsense as it flies in the face of reality.
It is staggering that for a man who staggers around iNkundla posturing and posing as an intellectual, later day Plato and Socrates rolled into one and deep thinker to boot, that you should espouse such incoherent and unadulterated nonsense.
A mind is useful if it is open but in your case I would suggest that you first get a mind!!

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#18904 - 09/30/03 12:48 AM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
MZIE KAMAGEZA Offline
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Registered: 09/12/03
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Loc: Toronto
kuwe jazi.

indlela osebenzisa ngayo isingisi iphakeme jazi iyahlonipheka njalo ingivusa idlabuzane lokubala.but u need some kind of education on top of your learnedness. umuntu ofunde njengawe jazi kaqali ukuthuka imiqondo lemibono yabanye, kanti angithi yini elikhuluma ngama-individual difarensis lawo.ubusuqaphela njalo ukuthi nxa kukhulunywa ngeBOSSO lama shona there is,was, & there will be always a rift which neither i nor you jazi can level.mfowethu ngowami umbono omfitshane iHIGHLANDERS isidlalelwe ngamashona amanengi ,BUT, that won't make me pro-shona .if my view point makes me retrogressive,archaic or babaric i'll rather stay like that.amashona ngendlela angcindezela ngayo lawabulala ngayo amaNdebele engehlulwa yini ukudlisa iteam? amanye athunyiwe ukuzochitha iBOSSO and people like you will watch and lough.do u guys understand nxa sisithi siphila iBOSSO?

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#18905 - 09/30/03 10:18 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
thrower Offline
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Registered: 03/26/03
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Loc: Blessed Land
jAZI,

What ever you may say,I am not here to pick a fight with you.
I have lived almost around the UK in the last 4 years,what I have seen here is a passion for home grown talent in every city there is for their football teams.And again with your intellect Jazi you should be knowing when to laugh nxa amadoda efaka izipitshi zegemu.
For your own information,David Becks is a Londoner who left Manchester United because he had personal problems with the team manager not for financial reasons.This is why the Manchester media labelled him a mercinary from the South,as there exists the rift between the South and the North of Britain.
If Zimbabwe was UK,Highlanders would either be called KwaBulawayo FC or Mthwakazi Kandaba United.Dynamos will be KuHarare United or AllMashonas FC,tell me if iam trying to be tribalist.
Note; A racist and a tribalist are two different things.How can I be racist to fellow blacks,unless if i have turned pink.
Jazi 'your mind is only useful if its widely opened'.

<small>[ 30.09.2003, 13:25: Message edited by: thrower ]</small>

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#18906 - 09/30/03 12:25 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
Jazelindizayo Offline
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by thrower:
<strong> jAZI,

What ever you may say,I am not here to pick a fight with you.
I have lived almost around the UK in the last 4 years,what I have seen here is a passion for home grown talent in every city there is for their football teams.And again with your intellect Jazi you should be knowing when to laugh nxa amadoda efaka izipitshi zegemu.
For your own information,David Becks is a Londoner who left Manchester United because he had personal problems with the team manager not for financial reasons.This is why the Manchester media labelled him a mercinary from the South,as there exists the rift between the South and the North of Britain.
If Zimbabwe was UK,Highlanders would either be called KwaBulawayo FC or Mthwakazi Kandaba United.Dynamos will be KuHarare United or AllMashonas FC,tell me if iam trying to be tribalist.
Note; A racist and a tribalist are two different things.How can I be racist to fellow blacks,unless if i have turned pink.
Jazi 'your mind is only useful if its widely opened'. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am well aware that David Beckham is originally from the South of England. While DB might have left because of personal problems with his manager, do you think that the pay packet he is receiving at Real Madrid is less than what he was receiving at Old Trafford? Think about that before you start jumping up and down and saying that his move had nothing to do with financial reasons.
What is this about a rift between the South and North of Britain ? And more precisely what has this "rift" got to do with football ? Is the "rift" that you are alluding to not related to an economic divide between the North and South. If it is, how is it manifested in football? Moreover what has it got to do with your absurd assertion that only Bulawayo born, Ndebele players should turn out for Highlanders. For man who seems well enamoured by the English premiership, would you care to tell us how many players that turned out for Arsenal on Friday were born in north London or how many players that played for Manchester were Mancunians or Liverpool on Sunday were born in Merseyside?

And no - tribalism and racism are not two different things. Conceptually speaking tribalism and racism ARE one and the same thing. I would suggest if I may, that far from expending your energies wondering why the days are getting shorter, your time and energy might be better invested in establishing the conceptual similarity between racism and tribalism.

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#18907 - 09/30/03 12:41 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
Jazelindizayo Offline
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MZIE KAMAGEZA
Ayabongeka amzwi ongiphendule ngawo.
Differences of opinion between different individuals no doubt exist and should be encouraged. However I trust that you will agree with me that some opinions are so extreme in their nature as to be unacceptable in this day and age. I am off course referrring to opinions including but not resctricted to race/tribe. I am of the opinion that some of the sentiments expressed by our resident intellectual Thrower and some of his acolytes in this site, in this thread about the race/tribe of players turning out for a team that is dear to my heart are nothing more than racist. And that sir is morally and culturally unacceptable.

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#18908 - 09/30/03 01:37 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
mabhekiza Offline
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Registered: 03/11/03
Posts: 55
Loc: uk
Jazi

am sure no one doubts your majestical use of the queen's launguage but at the end of the day all you do is play around with words and come up with no POINTS at all!In your argument(lothrower), UTHROWER is laying the facts and your are displaying your your vocabulary skills! I must say they are quiet good but what u a saying is Rubbish.Wake wabona ishona lihlale esoweto later on play 4 bosso !we must get rid of these people.wena ubona angani amaswinwa adlalela iBosso azwa njani if we start chanting our racial slogans esoweto,they simple feel demoralised cauz they are shonas as well even though bedlalela iBosso.Zwana log on to the SUN.COM and and you will find proof of the rift between North and South and it has everything to do with football.Ufithe ukusuppota imanchester!!Yikho u Keown ezaligcwalisela!Anywhere have u seen any shona player with a lifetime determination of staying at highlanders?They come and go after havig they share of our hard earned money!Look at THEBE,BEKE,MAWI, just to name a few highlanders loyals who have never let us down but the list of shonas who hav come and gone is endless eg Dazzy,Makwinji,Murisa etc.Baba wami wesingisi i suggest u try a career in poetry,u wuld make an excellent sonnet writer ngoba lapha enkundleni ukhula umbhedo.

UYAFRUSTANA!??

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#18909 - 09/30/03 02:38 PM Re: tshampiyoni tshiphi
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Mabhekiza
you ask for the name of Shona player who stayed at Highlanders for life - does the name of Nhamo Shambira ring any bells? And what of Abraham Madondo? Netsai Moyo? Do they not count?
And when did Makwinji Soma-Phiri become Shona? And where did his brother Amin Soma-Phiri finish his career?

It is either you are confused or possesed indeed it may be that you are both possesed AND confused. Why else would you state "wabona ishona lihlale esoweto later on play 4 bosso !"
Moreover the points that you claim that Thrower is making may only be grasped by a mind as confused and as dead as yours. It is also painfully clear that while you have missed the gist of my arguments which is - players do not neccessarily support the teams that they play for which is why David Beckham moved from Man U to Real, Rio Ferdinand from Leeds to Manu U, Louis Figo from Barcelona to Real, Ronaldo from Inter to Real, Harry Kewell from Leeds to Liverpool. Furthermore, a large proportion of the Arsenal squad is made up of French players, the essence of Thrower and your argument is that if Arsenal were to play a French team then these players would not put a 100% effort and would in essence want Arsenal to lose the match!!! That is exactly what you are saying about Shona players and Bosso. In the light of this rebuttal I wonder who it is that is talking and espousing rubbish!

There might very well be a North/ South divide amongst football supporters but tell me which southern player has ever been barred from playing for a northern team or vice versa ? Lee Bowyer was born and bred in the south of England but that did no stop him from playing in the past for Leeds and in the present for Newcastle both Northern teams. The same goes for Rio Ferdinand and countless other examples. The bottom line is that your North/ south divide (real or imaginary) has not prevented one single player from plying his trade at the highest level on grounds of their origin or from switching to sides that they may feel are best suited to advance their interests. The bottom line is that no player whether in England or Zimbabwe should be prevented from playing for a club of their choice (provided said club is interested in them) on the basis of their ethnicity/ race or creed. That you should dismiss such arguments as rubbish while not making any counterpoints yourself speaks volumes about you!

I would also like to know why is it that when Bosso was winning Championship after Championship you did not question the commitment of the Shona players? Why is it now that there is a chance that Bosso might lose the Championship, the likes of you and Thrower crawl out of the wood work and start questioning the commitment of the players?? Your words say that you supporters of Bosso but your attitudes and actions suggests that you are at best fair weather friends of the team and at the worst glory hunting charlatans.

You also appear to be boasting about chanting racial abuse at Barbourfields. It is sad that at the beginning of the third millenium, that they should be people such as yourself, who still cling to ideas, norms and values of the first millenium. It remains my fervent hope and wish that one day and soon, you will choose to join us in the third.

If it is all the same to you, I will skip you invitation to take up a career in poetry/ writting. I am not in the habit of taking career advice from those with concrete-like-minds - all mixed up and permanently set.

<small>[ 30.09.2003, 18:29: Message edited by: Jazelindizayo ]</small>

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