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#21078 - 09/12/05 01:12 AM Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Amongst us are those that talk Mthwakazi and yet they don't mean it.Some talk peace and yet they mean war. Iam a man who does not beat about the bush and please do excuse me if I call a spade a bloody shovel and not a garden implement.

Here amI a child of Mthwakazi, conceived a concept that would catapult the only thing that we hold dear, Highlanders, to the next level of performance and yet Iam being persecuted and vilifyed left, right and centre by retrogressive forces who claim that Highlanders tour of the UK is a negative thing that should be stopped and not allowed to happen at all costs. The individuals concerned persist to phone the Highlanders executive in attempt to force them to drink from their poisoned chalice saying if Highlanders toured the UK they would come out second best.What drivel! Here is the maths. I have mobilised ?100 000 to make this tour possible. I believe that just in merchandising only our team stands to generate over ?200 000. If The team brings for instance 5000 replica shirts and sell them at ?25 they would raise ?125 000. If they brought 5000 white T-shirts at ?15 they would raise ?100 000. Potentially on merchandise sold this trip could raise ?225 000.
This sort of money would enable Highlanders to position themselves in the sort of football niche we would love to see them in.

I have been phoned and threatened by Magonya who claimed to me that his father is a founding member of Highlanders.Magonya believes, along with Liqhwa Gama that it is not progressive to put Highlanders on a pedestal that we believe Highlanders should be on. Their arguement is that Highlanders players should not be afforded exposure. They must play in Zimbabwe and then retire in to poverty. Opportunities must not be created for the players. Gama phone afrosoundsfm and said that if players were to come to England they should have security tags on their legs, akin to prisoners. Since when has it been a crime to play for Highlanders. The irony of it all is that the same Magonya who says Highlanders players should not come to the UK, he himself lives in England.

Is Magonya and Gama and angry because our effort makes redundant their rallying cry that we must put ama5pound ethu engcebethwini yabo where there is no accountability to where we create an environmrnt where Highlanders come and create or generate revenue for themselves. UMagonya use tatarike wazewayancenga lamawebhusayithi awemzini ukuthi ababhale kabi ngalimetshi bala.Nguye lowumuntu okhuluma ngoMthwakazi. Don't be fooled! This project of bringing Zimbabwean teams to this country was conceived by umfana kaMthwakazi for Mthwakazi and anti Mthwakazi forces are fighting it.They will not win. We shall prevail and we dont care who you work for because we are not afraid of you. Go and tell your minders and your paymasters.

I rest my case.

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#21079 - 09/12/05 08:49 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Liqhwa kaGama Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/29/02
Posts: 45
Loc: LONDON UK
Barry, ngokukuhlonipha okukhulu:
1. Mina angikaze ngijoyine iHighlanders.Ngizelwe ngiyiHighlander mina.
2. Mina ngakithi azikaze zichaywe eziyiBlue sazi ezilokumnyama lokumhlophe.
3. Angikaze ngibe lesifiso sokuthi iqembu engilithanda kangaka njalo engalisebenzela kangaka litshabalale.
From what u have written, unlike most of us you do not seem to care about whether our players come back home or not.To you what is iportant are the Pound signs.The chairman invited me for a meeting to discuss this trip.The concerns I raised with the chairman are the same concerns we raised with you earlier in the year and if you dont remember them they are:
a. what security measures have you put in place to make sure all the players catch the flight back home (this because two players have approached me asking ukuthi kuyaphileka yini eUK and saying they wouldnt want to come back home)
b. what is at stake for the two teams
c. are there any rules and regulations governig this one-off match
d. what if the game, for reasons beyond anyones control, fails to take place
e.how are the players going to get their out of pocket allowances, have they been agreed upon?it is in the players' contracts that they get these
f. are there any appearance fees
g. what guarantee is there that the teams will get the monies due to them
h. has any contract been signed with the organisers
Sadly the chairman didnt have answers and he was to email you asking for detailed information which included all of the above.You then emailed him Saturday and all you told him was that accommodation had been arranged and the prize money of Pounds 10000, the winners taking 6000.
In your posting you did very well telling us what the club will get in terms of selling their merchandise but you forgot to tell us what you stand to gain if say 20000 people paid to attend the match!
Barry, to some of us that team is our heart and soul.It is our heritage, and we are proud to be part of it and we will guard it jealously.We will not standby and watch, its the only thing we have left.We will raise our concerns where the existance of our team is at stake, and we will raise them to make sure people dont use the club to fatten their pockets.So you say because Magonya lives in the UK its alright for the boys to disappear in the UK live there like Magonya and our team disbands.Maybe its part of THE GRAND PLAN!!!!!!!

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#21080 - 09/12/05 10:02 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Gama

Akekho ongazalelwanga kuyo iBosso.I do not think your attempt at emotional manipulation and blackmail can fool people of Mthwakazi. Tshisa in his posting on 21 July 2005 asked you how much you guys had raised with your fundraising effort. To date you have not responded. Yet you have the audacity to talk about transparency and accountability.

Yes, where there is no clarity you are right to ask questions for better understanding. Lobbying websites and feeding them with false allegations that I was responsible for the ill fated Soul Brothers show is however wrong.

Having worked for Highlanders before does not give anyone the devine right to stifle any progressive projects that individuals want to put together for the team.

Iam not against ingcebethu yakho owayiqalayo ukuthi siphosele khona amapenny. All I have done is elevate your concept to a more strategic level. A level that projects a long term vision.

All we need to do is to put our heads together (not bash them) to ensure that the trip is succesful and the club generates the income that they should.

Tommorrow when someone takes this very concept that was initiated emagumeni and start bringing aboBuymore labo Dynamos we will be the first ones to come to Inkundla and start bitching about how we are discriminated against. The day we start celebrating another man's success and take pride in what they do will be the day that Mthwakazi flourishes. Let us stop this sickness of name dropping to show how well connected we are and start making a difference for our Mthwakazi nation.

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#21081 - 09/12/05 11:01 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
kaMjaji Offline
Nduna

Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 329
Loc: ESkwakweni
My two cents
I am happy that you both realise that transparency is paramount when it comes to dealing with the Bosso faithful. On this premise, it would be nice to see you work together as I sense that you will both jealously guard the Mahlolanyama brand!
Good luck

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#21082 - 09/12/05 11:45 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Ngxibongo enks Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 81
Loc: Khonapha
Barry , Magonya, kanye labobonke abaqoqi bomdlalo akelitsho izadlala na ithimu kumbe hatshi.Litsho isikhathi sikhona bakwethu sibekwazi ukuthi siplane sithini.

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#21083 - 09/12/05 12:19 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mninimuzi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 456
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Madoda liyasidanisa maseliqala umvorototo thina sesimelele iqembu ngamehlo abomvu kangaka.Khonamanje sesenze amalungiselelo labangane bami saqeda only to then encounter these pessimistic views kuforum lapha.Kanti wena Liqhwa usolani ma iqembu lilethwa lapha eUK? IBosso ulayo at heart mpela kodwa mina ngibona kungathi uzwa ubuhlungu ngoba sekulomunye oze nomqondo osuke wababanzi kulalo wena obulawo.Akekho muntu wesintwini ongazalelwanga kuBosso.Yikho ke yeka lamadoda aphutshise umsebenzi asewuqale phansi.Why would you think the match may fail to go on? Are there any sabotage manifestations you are personally aware of? lf so,please give everyone some light ngoba thina kade salicina iqembu njalo sifuna ukulibona NGENKANI!
Please lethani uMantengwane ngomsombuluko njena nje phecelezi.

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#21084 - 09/12/05 12:24 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
I think it is only fair for the organisers to also disclose their self-interest in a transparent manner. It is obvious ukuthi someone saw an opportunity for self in organizing this match and absolutely naive of them to assume that we ALL beleive that it's all about Highlanders and Mthwakazi. Where does Baba Vana Hlabangana feature in this whole scheme of things? Ngiyazi ukhona eLondon uBaba uHlabangana njalo yibo abadala esibathembileyo esazi ukuba bale intergrity le dignity ye club.

Kuvele kuzaba lenkinga nxa ithimu of Highlanders stature iqoqelwa imidlalo by individuals hatshi by the team management itself. Some of us are card carrying life members of Bosso and watching these developments with keen interest!

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#21085 - 09/12/05 01:04 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
So other supporters should sit on their backsides and not come with innovative ideas because they have to wait for Vana Hlabangana? Mabila, excuse my French but umbono wakho is as dead as a dodo.

No one owns Bosso njalo wonke umuntu ukhululekile ukuthi abuye lama ideas as long as they are well meaning for the club. We were told that Vana and Liqhwa were organising some form of fundraising ventures for the club, up to now they have shown that they are devoid of ideas.

Therefore I would like to urge you Liqhwa lo Magonya wakho to come up with constructive ideas and criticism. In fact you have no choice but to support this idea. Otherwise sizakuthatha ngokuthi lilomhawu lizibona angani yini lodwa elilemvumo yokwenzela iBosso kube phezu kwalokho selehlulekile ukunceda iqembu.

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#21086 - 09/12/05 01:10 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
Angiyazi ke idodo Bhudaza and umbono wami wehlukene kulowakho NOT dead! Angikaze langaliphi ilanga ngikuthuke lapha ku forum lanxa eminye imibono yakho ngingavumelani layo. Just say you don't agree with me kuphelele lapho.

I never said anyone should stop organizing for the club. Sicela ukubona i due process and procedure to protect the long term interests of the club. This applies to everyone who claims to be organizing anything for the team.

Esintwini akhona amadoda akhuluma umswane kube lamanye ahwatsha umkantsho! That to me is the difference Bhudaza about bearers of a message! People like Hlabangana have stood with Bosso through thick and thin and have stood the test of time. Bale credibility! Siyabethemba!

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#21087 - 09/12/05 01:17 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
The long term interests of the club lie in supporters becoming actively involved in a positive manner. To suggest that people bayekhonza ku Vana Hlabangana is preposterous. In any case I beleive Vana himself would be supportive but remeber he is not an elected offocial and neither are Magonya and Gama.

So credibility can be bestowed upon the young ngoba kabaziwa? To me they have shown interest and that is credible kulabantu abasola bengafakanga i constructive input.

P/S Kangikuthethisanga Mabila, I attacked your idea and suggestion.

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#21088 - 09/12/05 01:33 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
I see nothing preposterous at all! You are familiar with the concept of "endorsements". Esintwini njalo imidlalo lemithimba "iyabusiswa" ngabadala?????

Credibility is not bestowed. It is earned. Barry is about to earn his.

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#21089 - 09/12/05 01:36 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Barry

Uvuka ngolaka and accuse abantu of being retrogressive forces simple because uvala your true intentions. We all know that noone is doing this for charity, you have to make a living lawe as a businessman/promoter/whatever. This is commendable. However, let not the name of Bosso be involved in murky waters.

Seeing that you pride yourself as calling a spade a spade, I will stick to that. When someone manipulates facts to suit himself, that person is called a LIAR. You had good intentions and personally I applaud you for the brilliant plan that you came up with to bring Bosso to UK and to help in the marketing and branding of iBosso. I have no problem with that. The issue that I want to take you to task on is your manipulation of facts in your discussion with Magonya. I do not have secondary information to that, I was there listen to you two speaking (as you were on speaker phone).

In actual fact you should be speaking better about the conversation you had rather than this absurd analysis of this whole thing. The man pointed to you out fundamental issues that you were supposed to look at such as the communnication (or lack of) between Zifa, PSL, Highlanders and you. He pointed out to you that as of Monday (Sept 5 which incidentally was the day you 2 spoke) Bosso was not even privy to what the whole tour was on about!!

One other scenario that you 2 talked about was the issue of what would happen to the name of iBosso if the game for whatever reasons didn't materialise. This is after you had boasted that people where driving all the way to Bradford Bulls to buy tickets. If the match doesn't take place, people are going to want their refunds from Bosso and this would jeopardise future planned ventures.

The analogy that he used of Soul Brothers was what it is, an analogy. He never at one point said you were involved in the debacle of the Soul Brothers recent show.


Whether it's Magonya, Gama or whoever you feel is against you, disregard them and continue with your endeavor, but what you need to be very very clear on is that you are dealing with an Mthwakazi institution and not a mickey mouse venture. Because of that, people will scrutunise whatever they feel is threatening the well being of this Mthwakazi institution.

It's good you have put in a lot of money into this event, but you forgot the fundamental issues on organising events. You took your communication system for granted and never had checks and balances for them. Take advice as this will make you a better person and a better businessman.

Lastly, the big question is, IS THE MATCH STILL ON?

The conversation only took place last week and if this is a well organised thing, then the conversation you had has no bearing to the success of the tour - simple because by then all should have had been finalised..

All we want, is iqiniso hayi to throw issues between lina labo Magonya and co. If you have differences, lisitshiye ngaphandle we don't want to know. Esingakufuniyo yikuthi sithathwe for granted over Bosso issues.

I sincerely hope for your sake and everyone, that this match succeeds.

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#21090 - 09/12/05 02:01 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Sgero,

It is obvious that Barry has accepted that people will advise him and question where there is no clarity.

However, I can understand him becoming incensed when, as he says that Magonya and Liqhwa have:

1) written/phoned a website asking them to publish things that are untrue and which are only intended to discredit him!

2)phoned afrosounds and suggested the team is in danger of disbanding!

To me this definately falls outside the boundaries of acceptable supportive behaviour.

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#21091 - 09/12/05 04:25 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Maqhamehlezi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/05/03
Posts: 362
Loc: Emzini wezi-Nkonjane
Ma ungabhuntshiswa lomdlalo we Highlanders!

Mthwakazi kaMzilikazi Ka Mashobana!

Okunye bakwethu sekuyanyanyisa mpthu!(okwabonwa ngu Siphepheli).Umona ngowani mahlabebezulu?Ma ngilandela lendaba sekungathi kuzwakala iBosso ifana ne qembu lesikole.kanti yona leyo Bosso iyaqala na ukuyadlala ama friendly ngaphandle kwelizwe ,uma ingaqali ke kushukuthi phela onozakuzaku bayo iBosso kumele babekwazi izindlela zokulungiselela imidlalo ehlukile efana lale njalo nolwazi nokubona into embombayi uma kuliqembu elihleleke kahle hhayi lendaba abantu asebefuna ukubonakalisa iBosso njenge qembu elingazi lutho ngemthetho konye nendlela yokumaneja imicimbi yebhola nika-nobhutshuzwayo.

Bakwethu ubomi phansi,ma singabuyekanga ngiyasho ngalokhu ngithi isizwe sakithi siyabesesibhekwe yisambane njalo sidunuselwe yisalukazi impela.Ngisho njalo ngithi nembala nembala usathane unabo abanye abantwana besizwe sakwethu kusukela ekwehlulekeni ukubetha kahle ukuthi bacheme kuphi kwezopolitika kaMthwakazi besebeza njalo kwezemidlalo lutho ukuthi bachemephi--kodwa khona vele akumangazi loko ngoba nanse mandulo ngezikhathi zamakhosi akwethu bekukhona abegazi lethu abebehlamukela indlela zombuso konye nokubambezela impumelelo kodwa ke ngezikhathi zawo Shaka no Mzilikazi labobantu babesuswa kulomhlaba.

nginyanyile ngilana nje mpthu!

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#21092 - 09/12/05 04:30 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
sbali Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 07/30/02
Posts: 76
Loc: London, UK
UMDLALO USAKHONA NA ? Answer my ask please!

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#21093 - 09/12/05 04:39 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Madoda Umoya phansi mani. Barry should not be criticised but people should raise concerns on certain issues. It is the prerogative right of every Mthwakazi to raise concerns where something that involves our one and only institution gets murky!

It is very important how we raise those concerns or else we become destructive ngale indaba!

Barry should listen to the concerns raised and respond in a manner that will calm down peoples fears!

Those who raise these concers should also raise them in a more constructive ways!

If we start running to the media to raise our concerns, there is a likelihood that things ziyamemetheka njengomlilo!


Thina sifuna ibhola and wish uBarry the best! Moreso barry should make sure that whatever he does is not going to destroy our glorious institution. He seems a serious guy thus far and we wish everything goes well!

Those who have raised these concerns rightly or perceived wrongly by barry, they remain important concerns and they now need addressing!

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#21094 - 09/12/05 04:49 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
BARRY you are a big disappointment and a liar

I ASKED YOU THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

1)Why do you advertise that Highlanders is coming to play in the UK, yet the club has not been invited,
2)is it right for you to start selling the tickets before an agreement has been signed by all parties involved,
3)have you been cleared by the FA to have this game,
4)Zifa last communicated with Highlanders once in February when the other team was Dynamos, has ZIFA written to the club about this new arrangement,
5) considering that most of the people are of the mind that this game is being organised by Highlanders, who will refund them when this trip fails to take off bearing in mind that your first attempt failed in May and you had already sent out some fliers,
6)what measures have you put in place to safeguard and protect the name of the club and its interests in all this venture of yours,
7) considering that CAPS was not aware about this game until they read about it in the newspaper last week or so, do you think it is feasible to still hope this game will materialise taking into account the time factor,

All these questions got you angry and the next thing you did was to pick the phone and call the Chairman and make some kind of invitations. You are a coward!

You asked me why i sounded so conerned about Highlanders and my answer was simple,that i am a life memmber ,a member of the executive in the UK supporters association.

THAT MY GRANDFATHER IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF HIGHLANDERS IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE JUST AS GOOD AS IS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE MARRIIED TO THE GRAND DAUGHTER TO TUFFY MOYO

On the question of phoning newzimbabwe.com that is your nonsense again. I spoke to Mduduzi Mathuthu and we discussed the game not that we wanted to undermine your efforts but that we want to see this trip succceding.

Barry dont discover ubuThwakazi ngoba usubona imali, didn,t you know that when you belonged to Zimbabwe Saints?

There has never been a fund raising activity in the UK! Yes Gama did advertise for the fund raising and we did all we could because we had been given a venue. The gentleman who had offered us the venue changed his mind last minute.

You allege that Gama has been collecting money that he has not accounted for, once again this is nonsense.

BHUDAZA

If the coming of Highlanders means the disbanding of the club, then to hell with Barry and his plan. AMashona have a grand plan and too many of their utensils are found within our kitchens. It is these utensils that call us names. We have withstood the test of time and THEY will never win. Babethi kayibulawe ngesikhathi beza lemaZulu but we resisted.

Barry why dont you tell the forum about the discussions that we had on Saturday night.


BLACKPOWER

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#21095 - 09/12/05 05:52 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Magonya
I have never belonged to Zimbabwe Saints. Yes, when Highlanders disbanded the under 12 team in the late 70s to start from under 14 I did play a couple of months for Saints juniors. It felt odd I must admit because everyone knew that I supported Highlanders.I quit and chose to hone my skills at Mzilikazi Youth centre instead.I was only 11 years old!

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#21096 - 09/12/05 05:59 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Magonya,

Are you jealous of Barry's efforts because you are a "life memmber, a member of the executive in the UK supporters association" whose weak and half-hearted efforts are being overtaken by somebody else's? It looks like that to me.

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#21097 - 09/12/05 08:11 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Nampa abantu bejikelinana inyoka ngeHighlander! Kwenzenjani? Anywhere it seems battle lines have been drawn between Barry and Magonya. Magonya will win this battle if things go wrong for our team and would look back and say I told you so bantu bakithi!

Barry will win this battle if this game becomes a success and Highlanders reaps huge financial gain from it. He will be an instant hero and he will be able to come back to haunt his critics and accuse them of petty jelous and of making attempts to behave as if iHighlanders ngeyangakibo.

Thina abalandeli beHighlander siyalungiselela ukuya emdlalweni and we want to watch our team this coming weekend and we want success from this game.

Madoda reputations are on the line here! These off the fields squables will be won post the Bradford match this weekend, kumbe kuturn out ezabakhona eBradford.

That is where this off the battle will be won or lost!

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#21098 - 09/12/05 08:18 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
BHUDAZA

If you cant seperate facts from jealous then you are better silent.

Ask your hero BARRY to answer the above questions because i think we are about to engage on the wrong gear. However if you find it necessary then go on. You are quick to call those who try to do something for the club as being weak, wena wenzani and do you know how long this committee has been around. Lets address the issue here and move on.


BARRY if you are serious answer the questions raised by Gama and by myself above.

Tomorrow i will be back again with more facts.

BLACKPOWER

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#21099 - 09/12/05 08:46 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
*****

Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sheik Mthembo:
<strong>Magonya will win this battle if things go wrong ........
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That says something, arrest my case.

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#21100 - 09/12/05 08:52 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
SHEIK MTHEMBO

Mfowethu that i will rejoice in the event that this trip fails is not correct. I want the team to come to Bradford and i want to see the club making as much money as it possibly can. All i ever addressed with Barry were matters of procedure, policy and practise. However on Saturday or before we will be talking about issues of conduct.

Barry has offered ?10 000. to be shared between the two teams with the winners taking ?6000 and the loosing team ?4000. Highlanders will not participate in the gate takings. Do you consider it fair that we disband the team just for ?4000.There is more than 75 years of hard work that we cant just mishandle. Yes the club will get money from merchandise but for the ?4000 i am sure the club has more than 400 supporters in the UK and each donating ?10 we can donate more than ?4000. This does not mean that i am against the club coming, i am for the idea that the team should come.


Barry is the team playing in Bradford on Saturday considering that the application for visas has not been done as of today?


BLACKPOWER

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#21101 - 09/12/05 08:54 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
umkabayi Offline
Ngqwele
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Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 186
Loc: eNqameni
mmmmmm zimb' indaba

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#21102 - 09/12/05 09:21 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Magonya

Thank you for asking about the visas. Caps United documents were all handed in this morning. Highlanders documents arrive tomorrow morning via DHL.Reassurance was given by the Embassy that the visas will be issued tomorrow morning. It does not take a week to issue the visas. The Embassy were sounded out about the visas a long time ago and certain prerequisites were given and have all been met.

Magonya please do not listen to the noise, try and pick the signal. The ?10 000 we put up was to make it a worthwile match for the fans. We did not want people to say it is a meaningless friendly with nothing at stake. The bigger picture and the real signal is that there are opportunities in the West that a team like ours could exploit. The match is a mere facilitation process to those opportunities. Do not focus on the little operational processes that we have put in place.Focus rather on the bigger picture.

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#21103 - 09/12/05 10:00 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mninimuzi Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
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l do not envisage any wrong if the Bosso UK mission is organised by an individual.Be it an individual,association or community,as long as the mission is accomplished.PERIOD!
Kanti why is there some whinging on what this Barry guy will gain? He should gain anyway,as long as he does not swindle the team in the process.There is a theme of realism versus idealism here.ldealistically,some people are concerned about what the team is going to gain out of the whole scenario.Whatever they are going to gain,as long as it will be a gain,then thats fine.
But also,realistically,the organiser/s should definitely gain for the enterprise.Thats simple business economics.Why limbuza ukuthi uzogainani lumuntu?
Ukuthi iBosso yasungulwa ngukhulu kabani angiboni ukuthi kungasebenza.Okusebenzayo yithi thina abalandeli beqembu.Futhi we dont need to produce some papers to show our belonging.Bosso is our birthright.We dont need to be brandishing some mini certificates written life members.
Mina vele ngokubona kwami this epoch of the team being a property of the community must cease.The community does not sponsor the team,but and individual or organisation can.
So the community should now be flexible enough to allow the bidder,if any,to take over the team and make it financially viable and proffessional.
ULiqhwa ubuze uBarry ukuthi what guarranty is there that the boys will definitely return home.Look who is talking!? What an irony from someone who ran away from those boys for the betterment of his dear life.Lapha mina nginuka ijealous kuphela.

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#21104 - 09/12/05 11:03 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
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Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Magonya,

Mfowethu read my message carefully and you find that it is balanced. I am on the fence on this one and I am not blaming anyone, however I can still forsee some udslinging coming on after the match!

I would like that message to be taken as such.

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#21105 - 09/13/05 02:12 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
Ithi ingabankulu ingazekeki, yehlule ngitsho nabazeki bemzekeliso.

hawu besilithabela bafana beNgilandi sikhumbula ukuthi abantwana bakamesisi sebalivusa, hawu liseluhlaz'impela. Idonki lomyanga okhu likhala lisiy'empisini.

into ezinje liyaxhasana njengabantwana bomfazi, mkhulu phela lomsebenzi, omunye uyabamba ezamawoso lomagasela after the match abanye indawo zabadlali, abasezimpondweni(INNERMOST) babheke ezengcebo, abazi ezemigiletsheni babone ngezokuhamba, abadlali bazophindela ekhaya okokunyamala ngumsebenzi wamangisi nxa sebebafuna amaorganizers kumele libakhuphe lapho kumele libophe istrategy plus lazi ukuthi balamacontracts leHighlanders abangamelanga bewephule. thus beside the point.

ncedisanani, is the point, this is a noble idea.
ilife time membership lokubunjwa kweqembu akutsho nix. iqembu ngelethu dlanini ngalo lalo lidle ngani nxa bengawina $400 000 000 or $600000000 bengawina angeke bayithola kuPSL plus ukuthengisa into zabo izikipa lamankomitsho bayabulawa yimali jus for a weekend mncediseni uBarry to prove your life membership lingayenzi ibeyilife sentence <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" />

lingalwi icebo lihle leli lingakhankasa kuhle labantwana bakamesisi bayabuya imali iyahanqwa libambisene lihlephulelana nxa vele liyenze kuhle kungelancindezelo from ZIFA lingadater lamadivision 3 akhonangapho, buzani amashona ngemali bazolixoxela.

imibuzo ebuzwe nguMagonya loGama iqonde ithe ncantsha njengomthondo wedonki kumela ukuthi ngalakuhlela kudala ngoba liyayazi lento aliyiphumputhi mncediseni madoda nxa engekho kukomithi lenu limfake izolo, limuphe lelifetime membership there is life in his brain, if this guy holds a little advantage, Highlanders will live.

Yingw'eloMkhonto kaShaka!

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#21106 - 09/13/05 09:48 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mthoko Offline
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Hey madoda, kunzima.
Abanye bagiya ngokuthi they were born 'black&white', abanye stake a claim ngoba obabamkhulu babo are 'founder members' of ithimu kababa. Some are suppossedly blue and white. Where is the significance here. Pardon me if i fail to comprehend but all i see are two power hungry grown man.
Even though you are all right in what you are trying to put accross, its the way you go about trying to do it. Magonya lo Gama you seem like power freaks to me. Kukhanya sekungani kubuhlungu ukuthi someone was one step ahead of you.
Fair enough you are right in questioning where you feel an answer is due kodwa coming out with childish statements and starting a mud smearing campaign wont make you any better. The fact that wasebenzela i Bosso kumbe ukhulu wakho is a founder member doesnt make one a bigger fan and neither does it make me a lesser fan ngoba ngangi hlala empankweni.
If players choose not to go back home after the match, it would be with reason. I think its common sense that a few of them will not be catching the return flight to Zwimbagwe. Its up to the Bosso big-shots to decide who is likely do go missing.
Whats clear to me is that Bosso stands to make a profit out of nothing. And if what Barry is saying is true, ?250 000 is a windfall for a team like Highladers.
Yekelani enze ujaha sibone. Havent you heard the one about dirty linen??

Liyasiyangisa mani!

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#21107 - 09/13/05 01:50 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
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Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
MTHOKO


The only thing engibona iyangisa in this whole issue is the absence of sense, reality and objectivity in your posting.


Yes silence is golden!

BLACKPOWER

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#21108 - 09/13/05 02:09 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mthoko Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 237
Loc: G Skweya P.O Box Loxion
Truth hurts!!!

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#21109 - 09/13/05 02:59 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
emnyama Offline
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Registered: 09/26/03
Posts: 15
Loc: pretoria
Hawu madoda,yini ndaba umkhonto usugwaza ekhaya?.Akenithi ukwehlisa umoya bakwethu.Indaba ezinje alizichayi egcekeni,kodwa zikhulunywa ngasese.Nxa livela liphuma limunye.Lamadoda ahlonipheka kangaka,nxa elenkinga yindaba angayixazululi bebodwa.Angisho ukuthi umthwakazi ungayixoxi lendaba,kodwa phela siyazihlaza.Akeniyibheke kahle lendaba yezitha zethu ezikhulu iDynamos.Yilokho ukuthi wonke umuntu athi ngilelungelo ngoba kunje kunje.Sizwe esikhulu masingabi le ngqondo enjalo.Ngolunye usuku kuzo khose siphindele kwaBulawayo.Kungabamnandi nxa singathola iqembu lethi limile.Yimbewu embi leyi madoda etyalwa lapha.Bengijabula kabi ngizwa bethi iqembu liya engilandi,ngithi mhlawumbe ngesinye isikhati sizobanalo ithuba nathi eMzansi ukuxhasa iqembu.Imbono yabo bonke lababantu ibalulekile kodwa ithatheni ihlanganiswe kuphume Umthwakazi ukhuluma ndawonye.Umngqondo kaMninimuzi muhle nxa sinenkina ezinje sehluleka ukuzilungisa.Thina abanye umuntu uze athenge amajesi aboPirates awaphinde,kodwa ngeke kususe inkumbulo esinayo ngeBosso.Into engizama ukuyisho yikuthi baningi abantu abangajabula ngelinye ilanga uthi ma uhamba ezitaladeni zaseGoli ugqoke ijesi leHighlanders,ngokufisa kwami lingele adidas.Okusalayo asakheni iqembu bakwethu,likhulu.Ekugcineni sizophoqeleka ukuthi sidayise ingxenye yeqembu.Osomabhizimisi ngabe bayanyathelana befuna ukuzibandakanya neqembu,kodwa kubukeka angani kude phambili.Asazi Mthwakazi.

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#21110 - 09/13/05 03:23 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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hmmmm inzima indaba yenu leyi madoda....kodwa into enhle kumele ibukwe
BARRY thina sikutshayele ihlombe ndoda ngomsebenze omuhle owenzayo,ngalalela i interview yakho ku nkundla last weekend and it was good and you real brought about valid points[ ungabi lendaba labantu abalolunya wena yenza umsebenzi wakho uqede] vele kudala sezwa ngomhawu wabantu abase UK ,kuthiwa bayacebelana laku immigration ukuthi omunye umuntu axotshwe
mina i have a few questions for u gama lomngane wakhe lowu abafuni i bosso ingabuyi eUK

a)Wena gama yindaba ungabuyele uyehlala ekhaya?
b)Nxa abafana bangabuya lapha and see an oppourtunity to progress akulanto embi ngokuthi besale e UK[vele ngubani ofuna ukuba sekhaya ngesikhathi lesi]
c)I bosso is not made of 1 player,sokwauka ama players who are great like PETER,ADAM, ALEXANDER,RAMBO,MAWII and so on but did bosso collapse??
d) there are thousands of players who want to play for bosso ekhaya,if we lose players from this trip we can always grrom more akusiyinto eyethusayo leyo.

Asiyekeleni i jealous bantu, Wena gama kunini lisenza ama fundraising ngebizo le bosso and we have never got any feedback,sesabuza saze sadinwa kodwa awuphenduli. Nxa usehluleka yekela abakwanisayo benze.
BARRY qhubeka ngomsebenzi wakho omuhle mtaka mama ,nxa ungakwanisa ukuthola ithuba organize them bebuye le canada vele thina aanye sila ma 5 years i team siyizwa kuma newspaper and it will be very great to watch it once again, okunengi ukuthi ilethwa ngubani asilandaba lakho thina esikufunayo yiku kholisa kuphela.

Kulabo abalensolo akulamuntu olibambele ubhobho ukuthi liyebukela ,nxa lingafuni liyekele ngoba this is not a force matter,

MABILI dade i think uyenze iphutha lawe kweyinye i posting yakho,nxa umuntu elemali yakhe efuna uku sponsor i team akudingeke ukuthi aye kubaba u HLABANGANI.
and as for umuntu othe this is not a charity game , u barry ufuna okwenza imali....ngikuswelela amazwi but ngizakuthi fahla -fahla kancane ngendaba ze sponsor
uyabona ndoda nxa u sponsor something,it's obvious lawe u will benefit as a sponsor ngoba kule milage okumele uyithole,ngakho akulanto embi ngokuthi u BARRY athole imali laye from this match,unje lawe kunguwe obalethayo uzafuna ukuthola imali.
Ubona ingani o OK WOZA BHOLA abatholi lutho wena?/ubona ingani baphokuthi this year siya sponsor i cup with no benefit?/lingaze lafuna ukudlala lapha mani.

BARRY CELA UNGIBHALELE MFOWETHU MHLAWUMBE KOMUNYE UMNYAKA SINGANCEDISaNA UKULETHA I BOSSO ECANADA laba abalomhawu abahambe beyefela khatshana leeeee.

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#21111 - 09/13/05 03:34 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Abantu abanjengo GONYAMA yibo abaloya i thimu nxa sebedliwe kuma vote ngoba belomhawu
Liyamkhumbula u BHIBHIZA ukuthi wayenzani ngo 2000 eseloya i team lo delam wakhe ngendaba zomhawu,into ezinjalo asizifuni baba GONYAMA yekela u barry aqhubeka umsebenzi wakhe aqede,loma eyehlulekile kodwa he has done something u failed to do and that will go down as history and you will never run away from it.

Phambili ngomsebenzi BARRY mina ngikutshayela ihlombe mfowethu,nagbe uyazi ukuthi e canada siyikhanuka njani i bosso ngabe uyalungisa beze lalapha,thina vele siyabe sigwcele sibasapota okumhawu lokho asilasikhathi laso.
Vele ungabona abantu beze beyekucebel laku immigration kutsho ukuthi hayi sokwehlule sibili.

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#21112 - 09/13/05 04:39 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
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Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
TSHISA[/uduba ngomlomo! Ngubani othe iqembu lingezi eNgilandi. For your information ask Barry to tell you the truth regarding my contribution in this trip. I kept Barry on his toes to make sure that this trip succeeds. I even warned him about the impact that the failure will have not only on him but to that of the club as well. At a very crucial moment i manage to exert so much pressure on him and it became too much on him yikho his appeal to the forumites after action. Barry just be honest and tell this forum the truth and Mduduzi Mathuthu can be my witness!

That Gama organised a fund raising, Tshisa, once again this is nonsense.

IF this game materialises i deserve better praise than Barry and he knowws it too.


[B]BLACKPOWER

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#21113 - 09/13/05 04:48 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
zee Offline
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Registered: 05/13/05
Posts: 34
Loc: Europe
lingabosibulalisa ngembambo lina badala mani, akelikhule hayikhona ukusebenza njengaabantu besigundwaneni...
lingasiyangissi mani. Highlander boooooooooooooo

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#21114 - 09/13/05 07:03 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
ngubani okwazi ukunamathisela namathisela iherald. Weee! Bhudaza ungaphi lo!? iherald iyavuma ukuthi ziyohlabana eBradford, lizanga lohlanya kokhala isicathulo. ulesikhathi ngabe wenza lamafriendly amabili lamacollege teams begcwale nswi abantwana bakamesisi ubuzabulawa yimali Barry ubususithumela i200 senze iparty eCanada.

isicebiso Barry abafana ungabangenisi estrip ngitsho labokhotsha oMadinda ababuyeli hk hk! uJunior limthengele amapitcher adakwe aze abizelwe iambulance. <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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#21115 - 09/13/05 08:49 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
NTSHONTSHO Offline
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Registered: 01/08/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Montiriyali
OHHH FUTHI YA,LANGAPHA FUTHI KULEMPI,S'GUDI S'NAYIS,WOTHI NGIVALE OWAMI

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#21116 - 09/13/05 11:06 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Hk hk Sengibonile ukuthi uBarry ulungile, ikakhulu nxa abantu sebesithi iHighlanga yavulwa ngokhulu babo labogogo babo and yikho sebebhavuma ngalokho abakubona kumele kulungiswe!

Sukani madoda. IHighlanders ngyamaNdebele wonke kakho ongathi ngoba ukhulu wakhe kumbe ugogo wakhe wakha leli iqembu kumnika ilungelo lokuthi akhulume ngalo kulabanye. Sonke silelungelo madoda!

Njalo nje ukuthi uBarry wake wadlalela iSaints when he was just 11 does not make him less ndebele njalo ubekile isizatho esamenza wadlalela leyoSaints. So what?

Ukuthi uBarry uthethe ubani kumbe kobani is not our business madoda! Kungena njani eBholeni? Why should umfazi kaBarry and her family be dragged into this? Madoda yekelani into engalunganga!

Yekelani umona bakwethu!

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#21117 - 09/14/05 12:21 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
igrand plan is very complex <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" />

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#21118 - 09/14/05 03:06 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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baba GONYETHI u gama wazibhalela yedwa enkundleni ukuthi uzayenza i fundraising, asimqambeli manga khangela i posting yakhe uzayibona ,since he was doing it for i team we have the right to ask for a feedback as you are doing to u barry......
leyondaba ositshela yona ukuthi we have to praise you nxa umdlalo ungaphumelela ngama simba wodwa lawo mfowethu,sokutheni usufuna si praise wena?wena nguwe ade uzama ukwenza i mathemetics zakho lapha,ufuna ukwehlisela u barry i graph
Wena njengoba ubusola kangaka what better plan do you have for the team??
Yekela lento yakho leyo eyokusitshela ukuthi u MATHUTHU ngumfakazi wakho,bafakazana omathuthu le newzimbabwe.com yabo bona bemelela ukuthatha i story ku herald sebe tshaya i copy and paste,kwehlulani ukuthi bebe le news zabo zodwa ezingaveli ku herald??. baba GONYETHI vuma ukuthi suphelelwe ngumphako asisoze sikuhleke,lawe komunye umnyaka sizaku sapota nxa sufuna ukuliletha futhi iqembu asisoze sikwenzele umona ngoba i beleive an normal bosso die hard fan will love to see bosso progress whether badlala e Uk kumbe e spain kumbe e mexico
Nxa umoya wenu ubuhlungu ukuthi ama players azabaleka well tough luck ngoba it's part of life,yekelani labo bezame impilo,ingani lani labaleka ekhaya akulamuntu othi buyelani,lifuna ukudla i pound lodwa bona bedubeka elizweni lika robathi...thatha abakho abantwana lo GAMA libabisele ekhaya sibone ukuthi kuzalithabisa yini.

Isicelo sami sokucina baba GONYETHI ngesokuthi ,thina e canadfa nxa sesi organizer ukuyiletha i bosso asifuni ma problem enu lapha,thina ngapha singu mthwakazi obambeneyo njalo sizimisele ukusapota any one ofuna ukuletha iqembu ngoba kudala salicina ukulibona lidla live

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#21119 - 09/14/05 03:14 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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......uxolo baba gonyethi ngisuke ngalibala lapha,umdlalo lowu ungaba liphutha ,mina vele ngiza sola wena lo gama ngoba yini ade liletha ama negative suggestions....

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#21120 - 09/14/05 03:46 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
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Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Iam pleased to inform you all that the British Embassy granted the visas this morning.The players are booked on the Friday morning British Airways flight to arrive here at 18h00. The Embassy could not get through all the paperwork today in time for 50 applications for the Zimbabwe Airways Thursday morning flight and hence the change to BA.

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#21121 - 09/14/05 05:45 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
hlathi81 Offline
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Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 574
Loc: gwanda..
why is it that amoungst us they are people who don't what to see development?????

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#21122 - 09/14/05 06:05 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
'IF this game materialises i deserve better praise than Barry and he knowws it too' mnumzana

Better praise for what? For whinging endlesly and trying to heck Barry down? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

uBarry ulamasendlisi madoda!

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#21123 - 09/14/05 06:21 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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i think the only way to describe and sum up u baba u GONYETHI yikuthi 'he is a contronvesial person kumbe he is a confused person''

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#21124 - 09/15/05 12:15 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sirumula Offline
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Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 436
Loc: Bengo central place
Tshisa mfan'kamdala zithini lapho?eiyi iBosso ingafika eCanada ngicela uyidlulisele ngapha ezweni likaGanga next door.
Libadala kangaka lilwel'ikhekhe wona emaningi kangaka,why bafethu.let uBarry do his thing,support him.kanti why abantu bengafuni uBarry atshaye iprofit from iBosso...that's what we call business mind,no one promotes something for the sake of getting a loss after all has been done.ukuthi ubani uzalwa ngumalume kazibani ongubhuti kabani onguye owaqala iBosso,ayi bafethu asincanywa yikukuzwa thina lokho,those allegations must remain in the kids' games like amadlwane.magonya,what change does it make since you are related to the great grand fathers of Bosso?l don't understand that point.
Mthwakazi kwenzenjani?Yehlisani umoya,yehlisani umoya mani,phansi ngodlame mani,kuze kube nini?
Gama since there are players who have asked you about remaining in UK,help us pliz by making sure those same players make it back with the team ngoba right now l'm sure you know the names of those who will try to stay.
ngizophinda njalo nxa iBosso isivenile ngeSaturday ngoba for sure uzoyiletha umfoka Barry..thatha Barry thatha!!!Mthwakazi needs more innovative man like you.
Magonya ungihlekisile mfowethu,why usufuna ukuzisikela ehwahweni,why usithi you will deserve more credit than Barry?if you deserve credit,it shall reveal,don't push it,why ufuna ukwenza njengedictator webaba...aiyi suk'yaclaimer,hayi wena kleva!!
Highlander ngenkani!!iBosso ngeyethu sonke yikho siyibiza ithimu yezwe lonke.
keaSirumula,mafenya tsila bathu batsoetile.

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#21125 - 09/15/05 12:32 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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sirimula long time mfowethu zikuthini ko bush,bengithi kumbe i HURRICAN KATARINA wadlula lawe njengoba waqeda abantu abamnyama hk hk hk ...njengoba wasila ubasope manje ngizwe kuthiwa kubuya u HURRICANE OPHILA ngase south carolina

waze wangehlikisa uyazi mfowethu,u basope ungaze waqala kakhulu u baba u gonyama inhliziyo yakhe sifuthelene ndoda,kasakwazi ukuthi enzeni.

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#21126 - 09/15/05 07:08 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Siphepheli Offline
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Okwabulala amaZapu leMbovane libe liyakubona ke namhla, bakwethu. Asinikaneni amatshansi bakithi kulokithi sibangisane. Sonke singaba ngamakhosi sobusa bani ke?

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#21127 - 09/15/05 08:03 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sirumula Offline
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Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 436
Loc: Bengo central place
Tshisa sengikhona full titus and this time around angiyindawo.And angizanga ngodlame bafethu kodwa ngizokhuluma nge Unity.otherwise,let's watch the outcome and ngithi iBosso izovena ngenkani.
Tshisa uKatarina wangitshiya ecesti uyazi but wena ubelolaka blind.uOphiliya kasoze afike lana engikhona.
till then,lina abase UK pliz siyalicela nxa likwanisa liyesibukelela lathi umdlalo ngeSaturday.
Viva mahlolanyama.

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#21128 - 09/16/05 12:25 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
Barry

ngilifisela inhlanhla lidlale kuhle lose kuhle siyavena nomakanjani.

abafana abafuna ukunyamalala libancedise madoda libathengele izicathulo ezilensimbi libatshove endanda imali iyahanqwa madoda kunzima ekhaya akulula bengafelwa ngabantwana vele iBosso idume ngalokho khathesi sibaletha idiaspora thatha Hilander(jokes) magents s'kaiworry.

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#21129 - 09/16/05 05:56 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Lembe

Amazwi akho ayabongeka baba. Abafana bayotheleka ngo six ntambama and loAlbert uthembise ukuthi uzoba ekhona e airport etshaye ibhetshu lakhe ebahlangabeza ngenkondlo! AmaNgisi will get a glimpse of our rich heritage today!

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#21130 - 09/16/05 10:58 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
dabulap Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 26
Loc: Eslojeni
Bra Barry ngutheminali bani baba, lami ngifuna ukuya, nxa bengasabonanga mina shuwa bangathi babone bani? Ngiyadlala

on a serious note, nguthemilani bani?

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#21131 - 09/16/05 09:23 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
umkabayi Offline
Ngqwele
*****

Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 186
Loc: eNqameni
Ezandleni bakithi !!!!!!!


Barry lokho okuka Nyathi ukuthi aye egcekeni lendizamitshina ukuya haya abafana besehla uboni kungu mbono omhle kakhulu. mqotho abelungu bazathi cwayi kancane ukuthi uMthwakazi uvele uyi simakanjani.

Kuhle sibili.

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#21132 - 09/17/05 12:57 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Siyavena!

iHighlanders

Bebencokola behlez' eMathonisa ebhawa,
Bebuginya ngamakhala eMathonisa,
Bebuchitha ngemilomo ebhawa,
Bethi ezimnyama kazizukuhlola,
Kazizukuhlohla,
Kanti kulapho zohlola khona,
Kulapho zohlohla khona,
Bazithela buthumuthumu emambuleni abafana,
Injabulo helele kwaBulawayo
Bebekuwa behlez' eMadlodlo ebhawa,
Bebuthel' okwamanzi ebhawa,
Busehla bugeleza lemigogodla yakwabo,
Begiya, bentela bedlal' ifejafeja beth' amahlolanyama
Kawaz' ukunqoba,
Kawazukukhokhela,
Kanti kulapho ezonqoba khona,
Kulapho ezokhokhela khona,
Oh! kwaze kwamnandi kwaBulawayo.

SiyiBhos' iTshilamoya, iHayi Hayi ngokwayo,
Sizitshile zinye ngazinye,
Sazinqoba zinye ngazinye,
Sabuye sazidobha zinye ngazinye,
Sazikhokhela zinye ngazinye,
Sazihlolela zinye ngazinye,
Sazithunqisela zinye ngazinye,,
Ngomthunqiselo weNtuthu yakwaNtuthu eMagumeni,
Usizi helele emaqenjini wonke,
Umhedehede zale emaqenjini wonke,
Oh! kwaze kwamnandi eMagumeni,

Siyabadumis' abafana bodumo,
Siyayidumis' iTshilamoya yodumo,
Ezimnyama ngenkani,
Abakhokheli benguqu eLizweni,
Amahlolanyama eMagumeni,
Khona kwaNtuthu Ziyathunqa,
IHighlander yengozi,
Ezimnyama ngabomo,
Ezimnyama ngenkani,
Ibhos' iTshilamoya kaMashobane,
Amahlolanyam' eMzinomkhulu.

Siyababong' abafana,
Sith' isicoco kubo,
Siyaziqhenya ngabo njalo,
Sithi mabaqhubekele phambili
iHighlanders
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#21133 - 09/17/05 01:08 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
REVISED VERSION

Siyavena!

iHighlanders

Bebencokola behlez' Ngilandi ebhawa,
Bebuginya ngamakhala eNgilandi,
Bebuchitha ngemilomo ebhawa,
Bethi ezimnyama kazizukuhlola,
Kazizukuhlohla,
Kanti kulapho zohlola khona,
Kulapho zohlohla khona,
Bazithela buthumuthumu emambuleni abafana,
Injabulo helele kweleNgilandi
Bebekuwa behlez' eNgilandi emabhawa,
Bebuthel' okwamanzi emabhawa,
Busehla bugeleza lemigogodla yakwabo,
Begiya, bentela bedlal' ifejafeja beth' amahlolanyama
Kawaz' ukunqoba,
Kawazukukhokhela,
Kanti kulapho ezonqoba khona,
Kulapho ezokhokhela khona,
Oh! kwaze kwamnandi eNgilandi.

SiyiBhos' iTshilamoya, iHayi Hayi ngokwayo,
Sizitshile zinye ngazinye,
Sazinqoba zinye ngazinye,
Sabuye sazidobha zinye ngazinye,
Sazikhokhela zinye ngazinye,
Sazihlolela zinye ngazinye,
Sazithunqisela zinye ngazinye,,
Ngomthunqiselo weNtuthu yakwaNtuthu eMagumeni,
Usizi helele emaqenjini wonke,
Umhedehede zale emaqenjini wonke,
Oh! kwaze kwamnandi eNgilandi,

Siyabadumis' abafana bodumo,
Siyayidumis' iTshilamoya yodumo,
Ezimnyama ngenkani,
Abakhokheli benguqu eMazweni,
Amahlolanyama eMagumeni,
Khona kwaNtuthu Ziyathunqa,
IHighlander yengozi,
Ezimnyama ngabomo,
Ezimnyama ngenkani,
Ibhos' iTshilamoya kaMashobane,
Amahlolanyam' eMzinomkhulu.

Siyababong' abafana,
Sith' isicoco kubo,
Siyaziqhenya ngabo njalo,
Sithi mabaqhubekele phambili
iHighlanders
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#21134 - 09/17/05 03:33 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
umkabayi Offline
Ngqwele
*****

Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 186
Loc: eNqameni
Mthwakazians in Canada

Hayi bakithi sekuthe kwenzakala ababesithi akusoze kwenzakale kambe lathi ngapha ngesikhathi sokutshisa (next summer) singehluleka ukuletha abafana ngapha. hayi a kasiqoqaneni madoda siboneni okikwenza.

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#21135 - 09/17/05 06:02 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
number one Ge ushaye khona asiqoqeni kusesemanje
kesibone iBosso yazi nxa ngiphilile lapho asazi.
uyabona uBarry selethe ivision kanti njalo uselenkambiso(experience) esethemba isingumthombo wethu labantwabethu.

Thatha maBosso.

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#21136 - 09/17/05 06:52 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mayihlome Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 69
Loc: Mhlanga Rocks
Sivenile eBradford 1-0

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#21137 - 09/17/05 07:24 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
Ndunankulu
*

Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 822
Loc: toronto/canada
Phambili nge bosso ongafuniyo kayekele ,bakuphi manje omasola ,abasole sibone
madoda next summer less work to bring bosso to canada,
baba barry thina e canada we dont mind ukusebenza lawe silethe iqembu,thina esifuna ukukubona yi bosso ,ukuthi ilethwe ngubani kumbe ibuye njani asikudingi thina we are here to work with any mthwakazi ofuna ukuthuthukisa iqembu.

BABETHI AYIBULAWE KODWA AYISOZE IBULAWE.

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#21138 - 09/17/05 08:33 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
umkabayi Offline
Ngqwele
*****

Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 186
Loc: eNqameni
Tshisa

kasiqaliseni majita less talk more action kasiqaleni manje. mina ngizimisele ukusebenzelana lo ilobe ngubani ofisa ukuthi iqembu libuye ama ideas asemanengi kanjani ekhanda lami. so ofuna ukuthi sibenzeni i forum akusikho lapho esingaxoxa khona ungangithinta ngasese ungangithumela incwadi kagetsi.

pherephs ibosso ingabuya le gwanda ramblers hk hk hk hk akwaziwa okwa nonisa ingulube.

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#21139 - 09/17/05 09:04 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mzukulu-kagogo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 113
Loc: eMajawundeni
lisebenzile bakaMthwakazi ngokuletha iqembu,okusalayo yikuthi babuyile!!!!

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#21140 - 09/18/05 02:52 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mathimula Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
MTHWAKAZI ITS TIME TO DELIVER THE VERDICT..


AKUTSHIWO............SUCCESFULL
OR
NOT SUCCESSFULL

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#21141 - 09/18/05 03:05 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mathimula Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
Umsindo ngiwunanzelele mina ukuthi ube uvela ngaphi. Ekuthini u barry uzasala lemalini.Ngitsho phela i profit. Ye madoda. Phela angithi le yi business venture. O Albert Nyathi labo kabahambe bayezi marketer nge BOSSO.
I Bosso izimarkete layo ngo Albert Nyathi. UBarry laye atshaye i profit. I Highlanders layo i tshaye ama pounds. Yikho phela okuthiwa yi net working.

In as much as i understand the points put forwad by our brothers i however deduce that the criticism was not brought up in order to have a bigger and beeter match. But to destroy. The benefits of Highlanders trip to UK are in the open for a lay man to see. But it looks like our learned are digging deep into encyclopedias to find out a simple amswer.

If any Bosso player decides not to go back. Thats his personal decision Who are you to stop Tshilas from making business monovres in accordance to the changing business times.Bosso has to be self sufficient.

Hats off to the executive for sanctining the match, and hopefully the targeted goals were met.
Shuwa i bosso iphile ngo ku donatelwa amabhora wona ekhona amajaha alo mqondobanzi njengo Barry.

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#21142 - 09/19/05 09:04 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mthoko Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 237
Loc: G Skweya P.O Box Loxion
Amhlophe Barry.

Like you said Magonya ,'silence is golden'. Eat your heart out now that i trip iphumelele.

P.S, You can go and supervise i safe return yama player since bekukhanya kukuhlupha kakhulu.

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#21143 - 09/19/05 06:06 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
inina Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 62
Loc: tsholotsho
umagonyethi, uthanda ukuthathela izinto phezulu njenge short sleeve ,ihighlander indala nja inkulu okwedlula uyiseomkhulu noone should personalise about hayi hayi, ugama was only a mere official elected by the people that doesnt mean he is the custodian of bosso, many other people have held esteemed positions within the echelions of bosso, but all had the wisdom to know that highlanders is bigger than any individual

umagonyeti, sonke siyamazi, njalo siyayazi into yakhe akukho umthwakazi ongaziyo ngenkemenkeme zakhe, sithule kodwa siyazi ndoda akuqili lazikhotha emhlane

umagonyeti, went to seek asylum in uk ngoba esebona izinto seziwomile ekhaya,wase disguise ngani ngumuntu obalekela urobert. dinga ishift usebenze ndoda otherwise uzalamba unlesss ?

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#21144 - 09/19/05 07:17 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Zwangendaba Offline
Nkosi
***

Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Isili elingu Siphepheli hk hk hk lathi "Indla muva yinkosi". Ungangitshayi Siphepheli, I felt like provoking you.

Kanti Barry, ungu Bary Daka na???

Umbono wami uthi uli QHAWE. Kodwa ngifuna uhlale usazi ukuthi liphoso leli engilenzayo ngoba isintu sithi "Umuntu ubongwa esefile". Ungahambi emgwaqweni ngabomu hk hk hk ukuze ufe sikubonge hk hk hk.

My other advise to you is: Ungabi lendaba ukuthi wadlalela i Saints ule 11 years. Abanye bagidela amaShoyina belama 60 years. When you do your thing, keep your silence and the results will speak for themselves.

Mina ngili "Arm chair critic".

Ngumbono wami bafowethu.

Abase BHILITHANI akelisiphe ama RESULTS boooooooo!

Li Zwangendaba.

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#21145 - 09/19/05 08:24 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sirumula Offline
Nduna

Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 436
Loc: Bengo central place
Njengoba bengitshilo ukuthi ngizophenduka after iBosso isivenile and lakanye sengikhona one time,ngiphenduka nje ngitshayela umfokamdala uBarry ihlombe ngomsebenzi omkhulu awenzileyo.Mfowethu sihlezi sibhala lana ku-inkundla ngokuthi sifuna ukwenzela ibosso something kodwa nothing has been done but wena ufike one time lombona wakho and one time usuqedile...mfethu uyilwile and njalo uwinile ngoba wenelisile ukoqoqa umdlalo.Never before has Zim teams played a friendly in Europe[correct me if l'm wrong],to me Barry you have started it and just look at the way people are responding,this shows that banengi abahlezi bethi sizakwenza kodwa qha.
Zwangendaba,angikholwa ukuthi nguBarry Daka but l will let him respond ngoba nginje lami angimqondi,ngingacina ngiphosisa.
otherwise,Barry if you can just round it all with a brief report just like you did at the beginning,we wouldn't mind if you conclude everything.
Mathimula...hk hk,Bosso vs Gwanda ramblers next year in Toronto..hk,sounds good to me jeki and sizoba sizoyigadela indiza sizoyibona.
Bayethe Bosso bayethe!

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#21146 - 09/19/05 08:27 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
***

Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Hk hk hk hk nginqunywe umlomo.

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#21147 - 09/19/05 11:22 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Barry emerges the winner and a living hero madoda labo mame. The rest is history. Le outie iyenze kahle. Congrats!

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#21148 - 09/19/05 11:46 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
NTSHONTSHO Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 01/08/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Montiriyali
BARRY

KUYABONGEKA BABA ELIKWENZELE ABANTU ENGILANDI NGOMDLALO OBUKHONA NGEMPELAVIKI,ZIKHOLISILE IZIHLOBO SIZWE NGAMA FONI SESITSHELWA NGEMPUMELA YAKHONA,LAKUSASA UNGADINWA.

<img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

ABASE CANADA LINGAKHALI IYEZA I GAME, MAZHIYA vs MTHALA,HK HK

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#21149 - 09/20/05 06:41 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sibambamahawu Offline
Ndunankulu
***

Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 803
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
Barry, Magonya and co

What about bringing Orlando Pirates or Kaiser Chiefs and Highlanders next time?

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#21150 - 09/20/05 12:13 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
*****

Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Osekusele yikuthi kuyabuyela abafana abangaki ekhaya.

I found the fears that the team would disband a bit far fetched, yebo kukhona abangasala eUK but not the whole team one would hope.

Ngakhoke, njengoba kumele bagade lamhla abafana, let's wait and see.

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#21151 - 09/20/05 01:31 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
thanx majida for supporting i team lathi ngapha ekhaya besimelele ukuthi kambe i team izahamba yini but we are all happy for the team , kambe ngubani olapha ekhaya ongafunu ukuya e uk ,its good for the team i hope financially too , but lingasoli lamajida abebuza ubarry limbuzo ,those were genuine concerns awamamembers onke kanye le excecutive ,lami do not rub it in kubo gama lo magonya they meant well yekani uku personiliser izinto zebosso lomhtwakazi let us have a broader vision which allows us to differ but not stoop too low senze ama versus ku barry lo gama lo magonya learn from this experience and work togather in many other future mthwakazi issues ,sisakhasa isizwe sikhulu kulobano lobani

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#21152 - 09/20/05 02:17 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
kaMjaji Offline
Nduna

Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 329
Loc: ESkwakweni
matshetshe mfethu
I couldn't have put it in a better way. Lessons were learnt from boths sides and ukusebenza sonke will only further the bosso brand.
Amhlophe kuMatema for ukuhlohla igoal yakuqala in the diaspora for Bosso

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#21153 - 09/20/05 07:04 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Zwangendaba Offline
Nkosi
***

Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Mathimula , ungaze uyilethe baba, loba ise Alaska, siyagcwala kuphela.

My concern is about the concern of the boys not going back home. Kambe thina esiku Diaspora singayivula imilomo yethu sibili sithi abanye kababuyele ko****abe thina sakubaleka??? Ngokabani umntwana omele alambe ababanye besutha. If you can not find it in you to live in JIMBA-BWE, why wish others to???

Ngumbono wami bafowethu.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#21154 - 09/20/05 07:42 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mthoko Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 237
Loc: G Skweya P.O Box Loxion
matshetshe

With all due respect baba, ukhanya uyindoda ekhuluma isicabangile unlike abanye esesibazi lapha.
cut a long story short, endabeni ka Barry, Gama loMagonya the people who started getting personal nguMagonya loGama betshela uBarry ukuthi ngakibo babechaya ezeSaints.
Kumele bakhuzwe ikakhulu uMagonya othanda ukuphazamisa imzamo yabantu sonki'skhathi.

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#21155 - 09/21/05 12:03 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
Sicela ama closing arguements from the plaintiff ukwenzela ukuthi thina njenge jury sahlulele with ALL the facts and figures in hand!

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#21156 - 09/21/05 06:01 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
ye madoada akelitsho kuthiwa abafana bavuse umsindo bala ukugibela iplane selifunana sisale sibukela ama under19 ngapha kwenzakala lina eliseduze akelibuze onhlanhla labo kenny lingiphendule kule idaba engiyibala ku newzimbabwe

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#21157 - 09/21/05 06:54 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Gaselomhle Offline
Ndunankulu
*****

Registered: 08/25/05
Posts: 517
Loc: Buqamama
Nsizwa yakwethu, ezinye inkulumo ngezabasikibebunda. Izolo lokhu iHerald imemezele ukuthi sebekhona asebephunyukile eqenjini, lamhlanje ekuseni iZIFA yema eqaqeni isithi labo abebengekho e-Camp bebephiwe imvumo yokuyabonana lezihlobo zabo. Ngokunjalo isixwayiso engingakupha sona, okuyikho njalo lami esengikulindele yilokhu: amajaha ayakwehla kundizamtshina lamhlanje, iqiniso sizalazi khonapho ngoba oyabe engehlanga nguye oyabe esele emuva. Lokhu okwamahungahunga abonozindaba abavele behlezi belindele ukubabaza amaphutha kumizamo emihle eyenziwa ngabanye ngixwayisa ukuthi uxekelane lakho ngoba lingakutshaya ikhanda, ulale ngaphandle kwengubo, kusasa besekucaca ukuthibekungamanga wena usuphose wayakogoqwanyawo. Yikubona kwami lokhu. Kuyabongeka.

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#21158 - 09/21/05 07:52 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sibambamahawu Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 803
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
<strong> Bafowethu.

Mathimula , ungaze uyilethe baba, loba ise Alaska, siyagcwala kuphela.

My concern is about the concern of the boys not going back home. Kambe thina esiku Diaspora singayivula imilomo yethu sibili sithi abanye kababuyele ko****abe thina sakubaleka??? Ngokabani umntwana omele alambe ababanye besutha. If you can not find it in you to live in JIMBA-BWE, why wish others to???

Ngumbono wami bafowethu.

Li Zwangendaba. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Firstly, i would like to apologise for using you posting for my arguement, this is in no way directed at you personally.

I believe that any grown up person who wishes bosso players not to return back home is showing a bit of irresponsibility, Bosso is a team and players are like employees and therefore they can not use Bosso to run away from Zimbabwe. If they want to, then they must do it on their own efforts from Zim. We don't want Bosso to have a bad name due to bad elements within it or without. This concept of bringing Bosso to UK must replicated to other ares of the world like Canada, South Africa etc, but if the boys run away on this first one all the opportunities would have been thwarted, Highlanders and organisors would be held liable. As for me if i see anyone of the players abusing this opportunity i will make it personal and effect a citizen's arrest.

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#21159 - 09/21/05 10:54 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Liqhwa kaGama Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/29/02
Posts: 45
Loc: LONDON UK
Barry sitshele ke ukuthi iteam kungani ingasukanga eLondon izolo njengalokho obekulungisiwe.

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#21160 - 09/21/05 12:08 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Madoda singahluphani loBarry! The management of highlanders kumele iphendule imibuzo le njalo nje even the management will not be ones to blame! Mugabe and his Zanu PF thugs will be to blame nxa abafana balile ukusuka lapha. We can not blame the boys ngoba labo bafuna impilo engcono! Who would like to go to Zimbagwe izinto zimbi kangaka?

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#21161 - 09/21/05 12:17 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 822
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kanti wena GAMA ulwa lo barry sibili, uthi asitshele ukuthi why abafana bengasukanga yona i executive iyala ukuba bhadala ngama pounds,angithi they want to go home and pay them ngama zim dollar which will be a daylight robbery to those players.
wena gama nguwe okumele u explain why lingafuni ukubhadala abafana ngama pounds so they can shop,selifuna ukuyazidlela imali leyo lina beliphile imali,
barry has nothing to do with this ,maybe wena lo gonyama yini elinike i influence ku executive to pay abafana ekhaya so u can tanish barry,we will not buy that,
i hope those boys will never go back as long as we have such a SIC executive into azisoke zilunge,kanti why bensenza ingani imali iphuma ezikhwameni zabo. Madoda thathana abafana libadingele umsebenzi lapho ,coz this thing ye executive is juss going beyond a point wereby we can not tolerate their BULLSHIT. sesidiniwe ngabo,nxa bengasakwanisi abaphume.

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#21162 - 09/21/05 03:05 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sgero Offline
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Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Empty heads will make the most noise. Little knowledge is very dangerous. Ungahlanganisa lamazwi ahlakaniphileyo, you get an extreme fool othatheka njenge mota yama*****.

My simple advice is, wait until this saga is over and kuzavela and kuzaphanyekwa la eNkundleni. Watch this space for sure.

Mabila

Closing statements by the respective counsels are in the process of being formulated am sure.

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#21163 - 09/21/05 08:36 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
NTSHONTSHO Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 01/08/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Montiriyali
OFILEYO UNYILE PHANSI KUMANZI SOMGEBHELA,HK HK HK

OKUSALAYO ,UKWENELISA UKULETHA I BOYZ ENGILANDI,NGILOKHU NGIKUBUKA LALAMUHLA,LOKHU OKWE JIHAD(IMPI)KUHAMBA KODWA(IT MUST BE PERSONAL BETWEEN THE PARTIES INVOLVED).MINA NGIZALINDA NJENGOKUTSHO KWAKHO BABA SGERO ANDUBA NGIQALE UKUCULA LAMI EYAMI I CHORUS NJENGABANYE,HK HK

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#21164 - 09/21/05 10:26 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mathimula Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
okokubuyela lo kungabuyeli yi personal matter.

You cant blame anyone. Kanti Gama wena yindaba ungabuyeli uyeqhubeka usilwa laboGwindi eZimbabwe. So wena ufuna abanye bangabuyi e UK.

Ngibona angathi wena wawufana lomanager owayecaphuka nxa engabona ama juniors akhe emsebenzini evuka ku Hotel olele kuyo ekhaya.

Set the example lo Magonya. Qalani lina ukubuyela ekhaya.

I Highlanders management have to stick to Highlanders policies and they are responsible for the welfare of Highlanders. But to expect them to further stop grown ups from leaving the hotel to see their kith and kin is expecting too much from them. If players decide to desert it means their hearts were nolonger there and they were never going to perfom.
Let no one try to be a hero by stopping players from taking and implementing their individual decisions. If they breach contracts , Tshilas will fine them accordingly. Which is monetarily.(be it in pounds). Gama and Magonya should step aside and be supporters like everyone else.

Kenny ndebele is capable and will operate within his confines of power. Barry will do the same.

Highlanders can not afford to stop moving forward becoz of fear of desertion. Desertion can take place right back home as players look for greener pastures.
Its time for change and Highlanders must forward and face the consequences of making bold decisions of moving Highlanders to the next level of business.
If we dont. believe me. We will go down and disband. Higlanders has to move forward i repeat. We will lose some players but we will definately produce some.

I SALUTE THE BRAVERY OF THE HIGHLANDERS EXECUTIVE FOR TAKING SUCH A BOLD DECISION IN THE FACE OF SUCH DIFICULTIES. WE NEED MEN LIKE YOU.
DONT FORGET UKUTHI ONGAFUNIYO KAYEKELE NJALO OFUNAYO KANGAVALELI ABAFUNA UKUSALA.

Gama lo Magonya i Bosso liyayithanda sibili but please dont be scared of change and adventure.

DONATIONS WILL NEVER SUSTAIN AN INSTITUTION LIKE HIGHLANDERS

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#21165 - 09/21/05 10:26 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mathimula Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
okokubuyela lo kungabuyeli yi personal matter.

You cant blame anyone. Kanti Gama wena yindaba ungabuyeli uyeqhubeka usilwa laboGwindi eZimbabwe. So wena ufuna abanye bangabuyi e UK.

Ngibona angathi wena wawufana lomanager owayecaphuka nxa engabona ama juniors akhe emsebenzini evuka ku Hotel olele kuyo ekhaya.

Set the example lo Magonya. Qalani lina ukubuyela ekhaya.

I Highlanders management have to stick to Highlanders policies and they are responsible for the welfare of Highlanders. But to expect them to further stop grown ups from leaving the hotel to see their kith and kin is expecting too much from them. If players decide to desert it means their hearts were nolonger there and they were never going to perfom.
Let no one try to be a hero by stopping players from taking and implementing their individual decisions. If they breach contracts , Tshilas will fine them accordingly. Which is monetarily.(be it in pounds). Gama and Magonya should step aside and be supporters like everyone else.

Kenny ndebele is capable and will operate within his confines of power. Barry will do the same.

Highlanders can not afford to stop moving forward becoz of fear of desertion. Desertion can take place right back home as players look for greener pastures.
Its time for change and Highlanders must forward and face the consequences of making bold decisions of moving Highlanders to the next level of business.
If we dont. believe me. We will go down and disband. Higlanders has to move forward i repeat. We will lose some players but we will definately produce some.

I SALUTE THE BRAVERY OF THE HIGHLANDERS EXECUTIVE FOR TAKING SUCH A BOLD DECISION IN THE FACE OF SUCH DIFICULTIES. WE NEED MEN LIKE YOU.
DONT FORGET UKUTHI ONGAFUNIYO KAYEKELE NJALO OFUNAYO KANGAVALELI ABAFUNA UKUSALA.

Gama lo Magonya i Bosso liyayithanda sibili but please dont be scared of change and adventure.

DONATIONS WILL NEVER SUSTAIN AN INSTITUTION LIKE HIGHLANDERS

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#21166 - 09/21/05 10:59 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
ususeNgilandi uphinde ubuyele ko****a yisibindi esinzima leso.

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#21167 - 09/22/05 01:50 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Bhudaza Offline
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Registered: 11/09/02
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Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Given that it is illegal to exchange foreign currency in Zimbabwe anywhere other than at officially licensed dealers (e.g. banks), maybe the Highlanders executive took a view that they may be under the spotlight and allowing players to carry foreign currency could lead to repurcussions.

Bear in mind that Ndebele himself and Highlanders have been recently investigated for the transfer of a Zambian player, whereby it is said they illegally dealt in foreign currency. It may be possible for other "non-celebrity" people to continue dealing in foreign currency in Zimbabwe but for those in the limelight, the jealous authorities may well sieze the chance and pounce on them.

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#21168 - 09/22/05 02:52 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Madoda ukudlalela i highlanders is not a death sentence,ngakho none can hold abafana at ransom ukuthi bebuyele ekhaya, nxa befuna ukusala e UK abasale it's not like bazasala begcinwe ngu GAMA kumbe u GONYAMA , abafana labo they have relatives and friends,ngakho gama lo gonyama kungalihluphi lina nxa befuna ukuhlala e uk ngoba abadli kini,
wena gama ingani wabaleka e khaya kodwa you had a good job e red seal njalo uhlala emayadini,what more abafana laba abadubekayo behlala emalokishini,yindaba ufuna bebuyele ekudubekeni??
bhuduza uxolo kodwa angivumelani lawe ngandaba ye foreign currency leyo,abafana all they wanted was imali yabo and buy stuff from UK, it was not going to be illegal coz everybody knew they had gone to uk and they will be paid in pounds, why is it illegal when it comes to bosso only,what of caps utd players?

Kanti vele how come caps utd got their money and there are no complaints kodwa i bosso abalayo??yinto enjani leyo,kukhona okungaphumeli egcekeni lapha.

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#21169 - 09/22/05 06:30 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Gaselomhle Offline
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Registered: 08/25/05
Posts: 517
Loc: Buqamama
I wonder what the arrangement was concerning the currency in which the players were going to get their allowances. because nxa kuyikuthi the players had been told ukuthi bazaphiwa i'pound' then ixecutive ye Bosso isiyangisile kakhul ngoba lokhu okwenzakeleyo kuyabe kukhomba ubugovu obesabekayo. And to address that for the sake of our loved team, and them progrssing, nxa ama-elections efka kabatshayise. Khona manje iBosso ayenelisi ukuthenga ama-players, bakhala ngemali. Nyakenye iseason isungula kwaba lokudonselana besehluleka ubhadala amasayiini fees. Nxa abantu befuna ukubathuthukisa sebephinde becreator amacomplexities. Kuyayangisa kakhulu lokhu. Lolu hlelo besifisa ukulubona luqhubeka minyaka yonke and that on its own will make the team popular and respectable so much that all the good players would want to be identified with it. But nxa kusibanje ngitsho le ZIFA inganqabela ukuqhubeka kohlelo sizagcona bani?? Ongenelisiyo ukusebenza le Bosso katshayise mani. Lolu hlupho asilo luka Barry kumbe ubani, but bona abathungameli beBosso.Kungani befuna ukugogodla imfanelo zabadlali. One then wonders ukuthi zingaki izbozi ezenzeka inside the team esingszaziyo kodwa ezibisela iteam emuva. Ukuthi bayabaprotector fromillegal dealings in forex its out. Its not bosso paying the guys but the sponser. And if the state wants to find out how the guys converted the money to zim dollar, they are all known and are within reach of which they can investigate each individual kalula. Remember one way of getting fuel ekhaya yikuya thenga ikhuphoni e RBZ nge forex. of which nxa ungelayo ,leyo forex you are in trouble, may be those are the things which the boys want to attend to at personal level. Plus bona abadlali ngamaZimbabweans they know these regulations of which what Bosso can do is to simply advise, remind and conscientise them.

Osekhathele katshayise, Yeka insuku ezedlule kuseselaboMangwana labo Rahman kuqembu. Angikhumbuli kugilwa imikhuba enje!!! Oh fethu lafa elihle.

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#21170 - 09/22/05 07:01 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
matshetshe Offline
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Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
livuka njani bakithi ,thina madoda nge sonto sifuna ukuya jayiva emagumeni sibukele iqembu ,nxa bengasabuyi khulumani masinya barry sibhalise ama under 19, well facts are facts , there are two sets of allowances given to players who are on duty outside the country for national teams kule mandatory figure each person has to be given the moment besehla e airport that money is meant to sustain the travelling party in a foreign land , so wena barry wabanika imali yokuthi bathenga thenge kumbe you assumed since they got ama appearance allowances ,you automatically thought bosso was duty bound to then disburse them to the players ,how teams disburse that money goes down to club policy icosafa cup leyana the schedule for payment goes straight to the players not the country eg zifa in our case, in future pay out that money to each participant ie the players and coaching staff ungaphi i executive you will not have e problem but nxa ungumthwakizi ndoda leyo eyakho eyokuthi you will not deal with bosso is ill advised kanti vele what is bosso to you to tell the world you will not deal with them ,suza deala loba le caps le dynamos ? le saints hamba kibo if you fill that way vele ongafuniyo kayekele ,i am not by saying this supporting the executive no lami i am waiting to get the full story ,barry singalwa nge khaya singagijimeli ema phepheni ,we have bigger enemies of mthwakazi than the small issue of a disagreement over allowances , and in future make an appearance contract with each player which will then be agreed with the executive before they leave zimbabwe ,khonokho ukuthi you assumed one thing ,the executive had their own plan and the players their own plan , kuyakhanya sibili ukuthi usakhasa ku organising such events , ama concerns abo gama are back to haunt you , but take heart bro ,continue usebenzela isizwe

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#21171 - 09/22/05 10:31 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Maqhamehlezi Offline
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Registered: 08/05/03
Posts: 362
Loc: Emzini wezi-Nkonjane
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by matshetshe:
<strong> livuka njani bakithi ,thina madoda nge sonto sifuna ukuya jayiva emagumeni sibukele iqembu ,nxa bengasabuyi khulumani masinya barry sibhalise ama under 19, well facts are facts , there are two sets of allowances given to players who are on duty outside the country for national teams kule mandatory figure each person has to be given the moment besehla e airport that money is meant to sustain the travelling party in a foreign land , so wena barry wabanika imali yokuthi bathenga thenge kumbe you assumed since they got ama appearance allowances ,you automatically thought bosso was duty bound to then disburse them to the players ,how teams disburse that money goes down to club policy icosafa cup leyana the schedule for payment goes straight to the players not the country eg zifa in our case, in future pay out that money to each participant ie the players and coaching staff ungaphi i executive you will not have e problem but nxa ungumthwakizi ndoda leyo eyakho eyokuthi you will not deal with bosso is ill advised kanti vele what is bosso to you to tell the world you will not deal with them ,suza deala loba le caps le dynamos ? le saints hamba kibo if you fill that way vele ongafuniyo kayekele ,i am not by saying this supporting the executive no lami i am waiting to get the full story ,barry singalwa nge khaya singagijimeli ema phepheni ,we have bigger enemies of mthwakazi than the small issue of a disagreement over allowances , and in future make an appearance contract with each player which will then be agreed with the executive before they leave zimbabwe ,khonokho ukuthi you assumed one thing ,the executive had their own plan and the players their own plan , kuyakhanya sibili ukuthi usakhasa ku organising such events , ama concerns abo gama are back to haunt you , but take heart bro ,continue usebenzela isizwe </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">u-matshetshe kahle-kahle ulwa no-Barry

Mfowethu lendaba yakho ayikho imbala,sengathi wena vele nhloso yakho ulwa no Barry njalo ungomunye walabo bantu akade beqotsheme njalo becathamile belinde ukuthi lomcimbi wokuza kwe Highlanders e-UK ubhuntshe.
Wena mfowethu okufanele uzibuze khona wukuthi kungani loko okwenzeka kwi Highlanders kungenzakali kwi Caps,angithi amaqembu onke webhola nikanobhutshuzwayo angaphansi kwemthetho efanayo kwezama alawensi lawo-kushukuthi wena uthi ama alawensi anikezwa i Caps kuphela hayi iBosso.

Bakwethu ningangenisi ubunke nicasha wokuthi umuntu uvunyelwe ukubuza.Ubuzelani ubarry ukuthi nifake ama under 19?wena njengo nozakuzaku njalo isazi se diski angithi unakho ukwazi okokwenza hayi oBarry nabo othi abazi lutho.

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#21172 - 09/22/05 12:07 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Sheik Mthembo Offline
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Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
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Mtshe,

Yekelani uBarry bantu kanti umona ngowani? Why is it that Caps is back home and Highlanders is not? The executive and not Barry have to answer this question. Kulento enuka kubi kwiExecutive leyo which once had those who have pitched up bitter battles with Barry!

Kabanike abafana imali yabo!

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#21173 - 09/22/05 12:50 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
U Barry weza yedwa lapha wasicela ukuba ngama Jura. Mina ngicele i facts and figures. Mina ngifuna ukuzwa from Barry hatshi li second hand eza lo Sibalukhulu!

Barry singama jura sinike yonke ifometshini Baba senze umsebenzi owasicela wona owokwahlulela. Nguwe ole burden of proof lapha! Ungaviki ngo Sibalukhulu.

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#21174 - 09/22/05 01:46 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
malimaza Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 225
Loc: emqansweni wakofambeki
Mina bengifuna ukuba kwazi ukuthi what were the terms of the agreements concerning ama allowances prior to the bosso leaving ****aland?Yindaba i caps yawera amaplayerz abo inyuku ukuthi bakape izskimu zokuva lazo edangermouse?Did bosso/caps have a different agreement from the sponsors or abadala bebosso bafuna ukusutha bodwa?Barry ungasitshela ngambuzo engiyibuzileyo above?Into le ayingithabisi liyazi bakamthwakazi!Eyinye iboyz yebosso yaphiwa i?5 ukuthi athenge idrink yena wathi into zinzima edangermouse so imali leyo uzahamba layo ngoba inganceda ingane zakhe rather than spend it ukuthenga idrink.Why did ukapini go and leave the rest behind?IExecutive should let us know ukuthi vele bona bagijimisa ntoni,indaba yabo kayi straight.Ngubani ongahamba emazweni abuyele ethwele izandla?Ukuba yimpondo kayitshintshwa akuncedi bafethu labo dade,sihlekwa ngamashort sleeve ngendaba yokwehluleka ukubhadala iboyz ukwenzela ukuthi lazo zithenge phela ama AIR NIKES TRAINERS lezinye izinto abazifunayo.

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#21175 - 09/22/05 03:14 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
mkhize ozikhizayo Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/30/04
Posts: 349
Loc: Emaguswini
mayuyu bantu benkosi uBarry wenze into enhle okumangalisayo.UGama ulomhawu yena indaba engasabuyelanga ekhaya. Kwazibani mhlawumbe wabulawa ngumkhonomi.Yekani abafana besikhe indaba ebadaleni labo baphethwe ngumkhonomi mhlawumbe bengasiza abanengi njengoba lathi sasikha.Kuyanyiwana ko****ha iloba uBOBO ma engabuya la licabanga ukuthi ngeke esikhe na?

kuyanyiwana koBOBO BAFETHU ONGAFUNIYO UYAYEKELA. <img border="0" alt="[Grin]" title="" src="graemlins/grin15.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[GPN]" title="" src="graemlins/gpn.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[GPN]" title="" src="graemlins/gpn.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[GPN]" title="" src="graemlins/gpn.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="banghead" title="" src="graemlins/banghead.gif" />

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#21176 - 09/22/05 09:21 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
malimaza Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 225
Loc: emqansweni wakofambeki
Kukhanya iboyz lezi zibalekile sesizahlangana lazo kumashifts dalisizwe dhlamaini and luckmore mutanga ran off from terminal 4 and did not board the plane home.Caps r missing simon katunga and david sengu.

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#21177 - 09/22/05 09:25 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
NTSHONTSHO Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 01/08/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Montiriyali
ANGIBASOLI KUNZIMA EKHAYA,KODWA KUHLE NXA ABANYE BETHE BAHAMBA.UZEZWA SO OMPEMBE,BAZADINGA ENYE INTO YOKUSOLA,NXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

BARRY <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

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#21178 - 09/22/05 11:26 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Registered: 03/06/03
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Loc: toronto/canada
kanti MABILA ngaphandle kokusola yonke into,yikuyini okungcono ongakutsho??Imilomo yenu leyo labo gama yiyo eyayifisela u barry into ezimbi ,manje likhawule.
Kanti vele why i caps utd ingazange ibe le same problem lathi??so lapha lizama ukuthi i caps yiyo yodwa eyanikwa imali i bosso bayincitsha>> angiyitholi kuhle indaba leyi.
mabila dade,besicela lawe uku uzame ukuba le good spirit u sapota nxa omunye umuntu esenza into enhle,ungaze watshonela ukusola ingazani ule degree yokusola.

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#21179 - 09/22/05 11:37 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
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Lance <Lance@swradioafrica.com> wrote:
Subject: ZIFA & ZimEvents on the UK football match
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:27:47 +0100
From: "Lance" <Lance@swradioafrica.com>





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Zimbabwe Football Association Marketing Manager Joseph Kawundura and Taru Simbi from ZimEvents were instrumental in bringing Caps United and Highlanders to the United Kingdom for a friendly match in Bradford. Lance Guma talks to them on ?Behind the Headlines.? Highlanders won the match 1-0 but a lot of other battles remain to be won. Will the players go back home to Zimbabwe given reports some might abscond and seek asylum? Just what were the conditions for the issuing of visas by the British High Commission? Where ticket prices too high and choice of venue too far from most people? Or did they rely too much on Internet media for coverage?

Lance Guma
Producer/Presenter
SW Radio Africa
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www.swradioafrica.com

At Least angikaloyi Tshisa!

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#21180 - 09/23/05 12:20 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Bakithi,
This was Barry's first attempt and despite some hurdles here and there ujaha lo wenze kahle kakhulu.

Some of us have not come here to burry Barry but to praise him while others have come to burry him!

Why should we fight and burry our own when they are trying into enhle? Yebo kungabe kube lamashort comings here and there and the man is aware of them as he has said so lapha kuMabonakude, so why concentrate on the negatives? This was his first attempt bantu and he should be praised for a brave decision he made and we hope next year this event will grow and our team will benefit kakhulu.

Let us concentrate on the next coming event and avoid pulling each other down!

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#21181 - 09/23/05 12:27 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Mabila Offline
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And what is wrong with demanding a full explanation from Barry? Why is that being construed as an attempt to destroy the man or ukuba lomhawu. Should Barry not be held accountable for the shortcomings and why not? Should we just gloss over them sithi kuzolunga???

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#21182 - 09/23/05 12:31 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Uqinisile sinatha, uyazi we need words of encouragement, u barry did a great job and we must support him,we know ukuthi izinto lezi if i's your first time,amaphutha lama loopholes azaba khona there and there, ngakho kumele sibonasine ukuthi hayi laphana wenze kuhle laphana uphambanise so and be constructive siyakhane ukuze umthwakazi ekhule.......... manje nxa kulabantu abahlezi bekhamisela ukusola yonke into sizathuthuka sithini??

kanti umtwana angafeyila esikolo, uyathethiswa, uyasolwa kumbe kumele simkhuthaze ukuthi abale aqine next time uzapasa, angithi kumele simkhuthaze ukuthi e bale kakhulu kuma areas lapha angazwisisi khona.

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#21183 - 09/23/05 12:32 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Registered: 03/06/03
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wena mabila usuhlanya sibili.

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#21184 - 09/23/05 12:34 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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I have seen the deliberate creation of chaos elsewhere in order to deny the full implementation of due process and procedure. That is how abetshabi operate. Yonke into yenziwa ngesiphangiphangi so that there is not time for planning and clear execution of strategy. Kutshontsheka lula ke lapho!

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#21185 - 09/23/05 12:35 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Don't get personal with me Tshisa. There is no need hk hk hk........

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#21186 - 09/23/05 12:36 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Barry has actually come clear of those short comings and ukubeke kahle kuMabonakude and that should be enough unless and until we have some motives behind all this.

I personally think Barry should face intensive scrutiny next time round when he gets the team down here ngoba uzabe esefundile how to make this venture more of a success personally and for the team!

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#21187 - 09/23/05 12:37 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Why did he not get it right first time! He is a marketing Guru. Simzwile sonke exoxa lo Sibalukhulu! Yindaba li practisa i selective forgiveness lapha ku forum. Abanye alibaxoleli forever and ever AMen!

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#21188 - 09/23/05 12:42 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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angikho personal mabila,kodwa okunye okwakho sokungokwe zandla uyazi.
wena uzaze ubuke nini into eyenziwe ngomunye umuntu.
Lina mabila phela lavela lasola ekuqaleni le team ingaka buyi lase UK ,lokhu kuhle kutshengisele ukuthi lilomona sibili, this game was planned with time and it had to be postponed for some more months futhi,ngakho u cant say yinto sezijobelelo.
Vuma ukuthi omunye umuntu wenze into enhle,akubulali awusoze ufe ungavuma ukubuka into enhle.Lina lesabela khatshana ukubaletha e amelica kodwa ekusoleni lingu # 1 mama, yinto enjani leyo

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#21189 - 09/23/05 12:46 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Tshisa once again, refer to me mina mselufu. Ungangithi "Lina". Ngingedwa siyezwana kuhle! Let's get that straight. I don't work for anyone not do I consult anyone before I post anything. Stop defaming me.

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#21190 - 09/23/05 12:49 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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When one is doing into enhle why should we be called and rallied to pull that person down? Some destroy themselves ngokungananzeleli how they air their concerns and that is their downfall. You do not personalise these issues or else if you do then you are finished!

Some of us are not going to condemn Barry for bringing the team down here! No! It was good and it was generally a job well done although usakhasa and we realise that and everyone who is a genuine supporter should realise that and refrain from this personal thing! Some of us see it that way!

Abanye we seem to be used as pawns in this game and are happy to play that role but sikhangele njalo siyabona!

Those who want a significant role kwi issue le should not distance themselves from Barry. Some of them have got experience ezintweni zeBhola but seem to be battling the fact they were not the brains behind this idea or they had the idea but were too late!

Tough luck!

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#21191 - 09/23/05 12:49 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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When one is doing into enhle why should we be called and rallied to pull that person down? Some destroy themselves ngokungananzeleli how they air their concerns and that is their downfall. You do not personalise these issues or else if you do then you are finished!

Some of us are not going to condemn Barry for bringing the team down here! No! It was good and it was generally a job well done although usakhasa and we realise that and everyone who is a genuine supporter should realise that and refrain from this personal thing! Some of us see it that way!

Abanye we seem to be used as pawns in this game and are happy to play that role but sikhangele njalo siyabona!

Those who want a significant role kwi issue le should not distance themselves from Barry. Some of them have got experience ezintweni zeBhola but seem to be battling the fact they were not the brains behind this idea or they had the idea but were too late!

Tough luck!

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#21192 - 09/23/05 12:54 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Ungangikhekhelezi Sinathamahewu nxa usitsho mina ukuthi ngiyi pawn.

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#21193 - 09/23/05 12:59 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Mabila,

Dadewethu that is something I have not said about you and probably will not say about you in my life time. I am 100% convinced that you are not a pawn and you should not label yourself as such for I have not said so. But the question kule indaba is that: Are there not pawns in this indaba esihlupha kangaka? I am 100% convinced bakhona and they should know that Highlanders is bigger than personal politics!

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#21194 - 09/23/05 01:12 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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I hope akula loyo munto oyi pawn ngoba it does not sound nice at all. We should at least tolerate different opinions in this matter. It's our freedoms.

My point is this:

The marketing strategy of Highlanders Football Club should be resident within the Highlanders Institution. That is my whole bone of contention in this issue. It should not be a private venture unless if it's Highlanders Management that has outsourced that function to a reputable organization. This I recommend to protect the long term interest of the club and the players.
I do not subcribe to the notion that one person should reap huge profits at the expense of the club when those huge profits could go a long way to develop the team. Highlanders does not need donations at all. It can raise all the funds it needs with careful and astute management.

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#21195 - 09/23/05 01:28 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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But Mabila that is not Barry's problem. Barry is a businessman and he approached both Highlanders and Caps to come and play here and that he was going to sponsor them. They agreed. I am sure Barry did not force them to agree to his proposal. They retained that fundamental right to refuse Barry's offer but alas they went along with it! Should we then blame Barry?

So then the issue of this whole battle is being defined by you! Barry made a huge profit! Whether this is true or not, that is not a problem that should be placed on the shoulders of Barry! The Highlanders executive had a choice not to enter in this sponsor as the fathers of the institution, who should protect it!

Having been one of the fellas that attended this match, I am sure that Barry did not make a huge profit out of this! But then even if he had made a huge profit what is the problem in that? The guy risked his own resources to make this trip happen and therefore he is entitled to benefit from it.

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#21196 - 09/23/05 03:06 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Mabila uzwakala njenge 'pawn'' manje lapha

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#21197 - 09/23/05 05:21 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Tshisa usuzwakala njengokungu titisi kuncedisa ezinkulu hk hk hk hk Be original for once lawe hk

Sinathamahewu!

I agree with you that the Highlanders management team yonke kumele batshayise. This BigBhawa management style does not belong anywhere in modern day soccer.

All of us sitting here knew the needs of Highlanders and knew that the team needed money to buy players and pay excellent coaches. If you had been reading these Bosso columns from last December Sinathamahewu, you would have read the sound management strategies that have been posted on these boards and sent to Highlanders Management to pursue.

Should Bosso tour the world, absolutely yes! Should they fall victim to profit prawling small business man...........I don't think so! There are a lot of side businesses that can be an off shoot of the Bosso tours and benefit abantu abanengi hatshi a few individuals at the expense of the big child. Profit making in that scenario becomes immoral in my view.

Nxa abafana bebuyele belambile, bengabhadalwanga, bedatshukelwe, bethwele awenu ama suitcase Sinathamahewu kumbe awabo Mka Barry ukuthi bayenika ezabo izihlobo, bona abafana bengaphethe lutho; that is immoral. Profits are good but are they always contextually moral?

Lingizwisise kahle lapho......Bosso ventures should never be individualised. We have learnt from this tour. If you folks see nothing wrong with my postulation, let me be please and pray I never reach the echelons of Bosso Management. Always let the management be accountable.

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#21198 - 09/23/05 07:32 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Sizwe sikaMthwakazi, kini lonke manene lamanenekazi, silapha nje siyakhala ngokuthi siyancindezelwa, ilizwe lakwethu ku-office yonke lebusiness zonke ngamagundwane wodwa. KAMBE KALIBONI YINI UKUTHI LATHI SIYE SENZE IMBOZA EZISIBISELA EMUVA NJENGESIZWE. KHONA MANJE SESIJIKIJELANA NGAMAZWI SISODWA NJE. Don't you think ukuthi the best approach to this whole thing yikuqala sitshayele u Barry ihlombe ngomsebenzi omuhle awenzileyo, from there besesisenza i post methamu yokuthi sicubungulule amaphutha abekhona kuhlelo lolu ukuze kusasa lubengcono. Hanti abeCAPS bathule cwaka, lingakhali kusasa bangavuka sebethethe umqondo kaBarry bawuimpruva njalo sebephumelela ngawo thina silokhu sikhwazelana sodwa khona. Because behind scenes I'm sure abeCAPS bayabuzana ukuthi majida how did you find this whole venture and also their supporters bayaxoxisana ngakho. Kusasa baza thuthuka ngawo lumqondo besesiqala ukuthi 'bhekani amagundwane' ngoba lakuma Offices, schools and colleges we contribute in being sidelined ngokungabambani thina sodwa. Oyabe elexesha ufuna ukuma phezu kwabanye abonakale yena yedwa nje, kuthi abaphansi labo bamane nje bamzonde bamnxaphele bafise ukuthi awe and they even work towards that down fall yet it could have been a stepping stone for uMthwakazi. As it is now uhlupho khonapha esidonselana ngalo yikuyini and what are we up to. To me it sounds like omunye lomunye wants to come out a winner in the argument, which at the end of the day adds no value but is destructive. So I suggest we applause uBarry ngomsebenzi awenzileyo, besesibonisana ngamaphutha avelileyo ukuthi anga qondiswa njani kusasa. You will be suprised ukuthi most pple siyavumelana ukuthi the whole idea kaBarry is good but phakathi kwabathungameli beqembu kukhona okubolileyo, manje sekuyaqala ukunuka. UBarry ngeze akuxazulule, kufuna sihlanganise amakhanda sonke sibonisane. Finally-Iexecutive yebosso yafakwa ngantu, njalo akusensuku zatshwala amaelections engafikanga, thina abantu sizoyibisela yini kumbe hatshi.

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#21199 - 09/23/05 08:24 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Mabila

You seem bent on personalising this issue. A point of correction kangiphathisani labafana beHighlanders amasuitcase. Angazi ngitsho lomfana weHighlanders on a personal capacity. I went to support the team and that money I put there is better than nothing! As for uBarry lamaSuitcase akhe kangikwazi and I will not indulge in some kind of petty issues ezingancedi ngalutho! He can answer for amaSUITCASE akhe!

I still find uBarry emhlophe nje without a blame. Abantu seem to be ukuthi babuhlungu ngokuthi uBarry made a profit! Some of us do not even know ukuthi wenza malini leyo esivusa umsindo kangaka and we are not interested. What we are interested in yikuthi next time this event kumele ikhule and iHighlanders izuze inzuzo enkulu.

Above all we now know ukuthi uBarry paid the monies that were due for both teams. Nxa i-executive ingabadhadali abafana that is not Barry problem. Amaphutha akhe azakhangelwa in a constructive way hatshi in some kind of SUITCASE WAYS or any other personal issue! Angithi singamasapota. Next time round the trip will have to be better than this as it becomes an annual event as the chaps propose!

If Shona business man emerge we cry foul! If Ndebele businessman emerge size sifake lemuli kalowo bhizimusi man phakathi esingayaziyo nxa sesisilwa laye size sifake lamaSUITCASE esingakaze siwabone, hk hk hk

Strange!
Ah! futhi! why engage in such petty issues!

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#21200 - 09/23/05 09:05 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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lithini bantwa bahle sizwe sakithi ,well the dust is settling on the trip manje kasibekezelaneni bakithi singavuki ngolaka izolo i asked questions to barry and put input as to what i know is standard practice nge ndaba yama allowances but omunye undoda thinks mina i hate barry etc ,mina lo barry sihlanganiswa yibosso ,whatever money he makes its his and his immediate family futhi ngimfisela inhlanhla but i will not allow him to disrupt bosso ,any venture that anybody does for bosso should first benefit him ngoba akulamuntu ongasebenzela amahala but the club should benefit and the benefits should be made public and be worthy the bosso brand ,okwe under 19 it was a joke bro ,sidlala njalo la ekhaya because we are proud of the under19s baku division1 this year ,like i said let this be a learning process for all of us when okenny get here bazasitshela ,awabo 'amanga' ubarry laye uyazama kumabonakube which is fine ,but ngapha the excutive was awaiting the firing squad ,yes balamaphutha abo but kule indaba how accountable are they to the revolt , because the jury was out on them besekusele ozabasusela amanqe kuphela as tshisa would have loved kasifundeni ukukhuza ulaka lokubamba ulimi indaba iqale ibesola then nxa umuntu elecala ulecala singalithanyeleli ebhimu let ut not be quick to judge ,thina siyisizwe abesilamakhosi lezinduna ,we were not taught how to administer justice by the british ,so lets us look at our history and show by example who we are 'UMTHWAKAZI OMUHLE ONDLELA ZIMHLOPHE'our ways are clean and straight Mzlikazi was prophesying over all the future generation of mthwakazi ,futhi asimawala ,lani liyazi ukuthi isaga sithi ngamawala , asithandaneni ngebosso yethu sivumele imbono eyehlukeneyo kodwa isakhe omunye umlungu wathi 'our greatest strength lies not in never falling but in rising up each time we fall" to those who feel they lost you did not ,and to those who feel they won you did not but bosso and mthwakazi won ,and to inkundla thanx very much into eliyenzele uthebe lingadinwa lakusasa lima mazinyane esilo sohlanga

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#21201 - 09/23/05 09:17 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Barry amhlophe ngomsebenzi wakho baba. Ngiyananzelela ukuthi it took a great effort seeing as this was a first. I hope you can build from this and be more successful next time( both in running the show and gains from it). I realise that you are already taking stoke and planning for next time. Eyami imibono yile mfowethu and it goes to the Bosso exec as well:
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  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Indaba yetrip, in my own opinion, was not marketed vigorously maybe ama interview kumabonakude(as you did at the end), swradioafrica, lakuboNewzim will help. IBosso layo must come out and say siyabuya to amasapota.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I note that it is estimated ukuthi iBosso had 80% of the supporters in the stadium. This was obvious and if we had lost it would have been a disappointing adventure to contribute the most and gain the least. I propose that you explore ukuthi amatikiti should be sold on club bases, a system used for the FA Cup final for instance. So when I buy a ticket it is direct contribution to bosso. You retain whatever % you agree on in the first place.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can iBosso run a mobile shop yama souvenirs on the day of the event, together with a bosso braai stand and drinks bar with proceeds going to the club and you taking your agreed cut from the proceeds.</font></li>
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I am sure more suggestions will be follow.

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#21202 - 09/23/05 09:34 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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kaMjaji,

Yikho ukwakha lokho. some of us had hoped ukuthi sizathola konke lokhu okutshoyo, sithenge imali ingene eqenjini but kwakungekho eStadium, unless ngakukhutha!

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#21203 - 09/23/05 09:43 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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ayitshukwe madoda thina amasapota sithi pambili ngezimnyama lawe (ubheli) barry owenze into ebukekayo.
Thina esingalamhawu sizithulele.Mayuyu zihlobo asimtshayeleni izandla uBarry makuyikuthi kulamaphutha elungiswe lingakwenzi kubephesonali
ngoba sizazihlekisa ngabetshabi.

Phambili mfokababa ngomsebenzi wakho.

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#21204 - 09/23/05 11:43 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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People are quick to condemn, but they are even slower to apologize.

I've read quite a number of abantu bekhuluma ngobubi be executive on not paying abafana ama bonuses abo, but now that uBarry has clarified the issue, angikaboni loyedwa who is apologizing for ukukhwela bezehlele kubo Ndebele and Dube.

Secondly, I just want to bring something to light lapha and in the event, those that have ubuntu will go back and apologize (it is not a forced matter, but a principle of respect ongafuniyo uyayekela).

Monday early hours, I got a call ngoba 1.30am from uMagonya asking me ukuthi sekulodubo and I should express my commitment to first to ubuntu and secondly to Highlanders by my actions. I left the comfort of my home and drove ngaya lapho ayekhona. Abafana babelokhu bengakadli at that time and we drove around sifunana lalokho kudla. Imali eyathenga lokho kudla yaphuma esikhwameni sake uMagonya. We delivered lokho kudla to abafana at thier hotel.

I could say a lot from this saga, (and yes mark my words, there is a lot to be said) but for the interest of progress and building each other ngizabamba ukuthula kwami.

It would be a very good deed for Barry to comeback in writing to Nkundla forumites and athi absolve some individuals who have been demonised by a lot of Nkundla forumites through little enlightment on the whole issue.

Mfowethu Barry, although ngingenelisanga ukufika eBradford, I personally applaud you nge endeavor yakho to bring iBosso lapha. Take this as a learning curve and don't take i criticism personally, but as a building stone for the betterment of uMthwakazi.

To the rest of you Mthwakazi, understand the fundamentals of criticising and differing of opinions and views. When people question things, bayebebeletha imbono ehlukile and not necessarily against the idea. I personally think there was anyone who was against the idea of Bosso coming up, but people were expressing fears in the organisation and implementation process.

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#21205 - 09/23/05 12:30 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Sinathamahewu there is a whole 30 minute video yabafana leaving on Thursday from London. Kulapho engithole khona indaba yama suitcase aphathiswe abafana. Aluba bekungu Peter loba James loba Themba I still would have maintained my stance that the core business of Highlanders cannot be outsourced yenzele indivuduals profit!

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#21206 - 09/23/05 01:07 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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othe ama suitcaese lawo athenge last weekend ngubani?? what if kuyizi gqoko ezathengwa kudala ngoba esaza ukuthi kulabantu abazabuya e uk, ehele ebaphathise nxa sebebuyela ekhaya.
lathi siyakwenza lokhu,singezwa kuthiwa kulomuntu ovela ekhaya siyahle sithenge izigqoko siphathise and save money for shipping nge DHL.

thina esingakufuniyo yikugijimela ukusola 24/7, sifuna i encouragement lapha ,okunenge asikudingi, isikhathi somhawu sesaphela,
abanengi inhliziyo zibuhlungu ngoba into leyi it was done by an individual akula okunye.

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#21207 - 09/23/05 01:07 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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#21208 - 09/23/05 01:10 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
malimaza Offline
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ilink yakhona iyala.On the herald link,
click kusports section and read on uk trip sports scandal.

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#21209 - 09/23/05 02:17 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Obuka uBarry is not personal. Osola uBarry is personal and ulomhawu. How interesting!

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#21210 - 09/23/05 02:57 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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........... wena uvele usolani?

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#21211 - 09/23/05 03:29 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Sarendi Tshisa ngoba you cannot differentiate between genuine concerns and jealousy!

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#21212 - 09/23/05 03:39 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Mabila,

Ngiyibonile lami but kayikhulumi ngeSuitcase kaBarry lomfazi wakhe as you put it. In as long as abantu bekhuluma kanje kwicriticism yabo, then this becomes personal you see. Ifakelwani imuli kaBarry kanti?

It is time to move on and stop picking on petty issues ngale indaba and give constructive criticism hatshi eyamaSuitcase kaBarry!

No one has ever said ukuthi akubanga lamaphutha endabeni le but Barry should be applauded for his efforts!

Abanye balwa khona ukuthi why did an individual do this thing rather than give constructive criticism on how Barry can improve on this event next time for the benefit of the team and for his benefit(angithi he is investing his resources).

Futhi manje some of us can see icompetition isiza abantu bonke befuna ukubisa iBosso next time lana and that means better terms azobuya and the team will reap the rewards of that competition.

Kakho ongathi abantu kabacriticise but ukuthi kawufuni ukuthi umuntu ngabe wenze leyonto is rather destructive criticism. In actual fact it is not criticism but umona nje!

If someone asked me whether the Team did benefit a little from this trip or not, I would say yes it did!

If someone engathi should the team not have come here because of the fact ukuthi isponswa ngumuntu oyedwa, I would say No, iThimu bekumele ibuye!

If someone says should this event be organised better next time for the great good of the team and its supporters lapha, I would say yes. That is where iconstructive criticism comes in!

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#21213 - 09/23/05 08:57 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Mabila no Sinathamahewu

Kanti empeleni lehluka kuphi bantu benkosi? I dearly believe that you two have genuinje concerns about Bosso emanating from the love of what the instituition of Bosso represents. I am deeply dissappointed at you two, if i were near you i was going to knock some sense in your heads Hk Hk. Mabila wants a holistic approach to the management of Bosso, she wants a strategic position for Bosso in the market, she wants a strategy that could sustain Bosso activities without resorting to mercy from outsiders and individuals. And i think this is the position that Sinathamahewu aspires for. So where is the problem? I think the problem is that Mabila forgot to give Barry some praise of some sort, because i think he deserves it. But i can't understand why Sinatha hits so hard knowing Mabila's position on this one.

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#21214 - 09/23/05 09:49 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
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Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Kanti laba abanye asebebuya ngokweFA langokweFIFA lokusanctionwa komdlalo lo ebekadesilawo,ngitshelanini ukuthi bakhuluma ngani.

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#21215 - 09/23/05 09:58 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
NTSHONTSHO Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 01/08/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Montiriyali
NXAAAAAAAAA,YIKHO SINGAPHUMELELI,SIYALWA KUPHELA SONKE ISIKHATHI,KUYADANISA LOKHU,UKHONA YINI OLOKUHLE ANGAKUTSHO NGALINDABA,SESITSHILE NGABANTU ABABANGA INTO ENGESI YABO.UNGAKHENGELISISA LINDABA,KWAQALWA KUBANGWA OKUNYE,KHATHESI SOKUNGOKUNYE OKUTSHIYENEYO.NGABE ABAFANA BAZIBUYELA E CANADA NGABE KUNGCONO,HK HK

U MZEKS WATHSO LAYE WATHI UKHATHELE NGAMA CRITICAL PHIPHULI,HK HK HK

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#21216 - 09/24/05 03:49 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
BhudiMathawuzeni Offline
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Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 822
Loc: toronto/canada
Mina i wouldn/t mind ukusebenza lo barry to bring i bosso e canada next year, siyakhuluma lo TED ROGERS asinike i skydome/rogers centre abafana bedlale ibhola labo lokho okokuthi iqembu lilethwe ngubani asikusebenzi thina,as long libuyile lathi salibona sakholisa.
Barry sebenza lathi ulethe iqembu e canada ,uyekele abantu be UK abalomhawu labo, thina lapha asilaso leso sikhathi thina singe qembu, okunegi sokuyindaba yabo kenny and company ukuthi baveze imali benike abafana.
A REASONABLE PERSON,WILL FIGURE IT OUT BY NOW UKUTHI BARRY GAVE BOTH THE BOSSO AND CAPS UTD EXECUTIVES THEIR MONIES, BUT eyethu i executive ya decide ukuzitshila amakhanda badlala abafana boshh.

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#21217 - 09/24/05 10:03 PM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
Dear Uncle (Barry)

ende ulemali kanti uyithathangaphi? phela lapha kulwiwa ukuthi yindaba uhambe solo kulento edula kangaka. ng'ce lami ka hk hk! jokes Barry thumbs up topi s'cela iqembu kelizosichaza eCanada thina manje sizokupha iToronto Lynx sigcwale futhi our aim iyabe ingeyokuthi usponsor must and i repeat must, make his money and izeke2vi ingekela ukubhadala abafana lapha ngamaloonie, amaphepha kawahluphi bayalala beseshelter/eY bevukele ewelewele/wulufare 1,2,3 sebehlala kuJane and Finch eSan Romanoway, humanitarian application sebelendile bonke futhi hk hk fokol yiz'dindi kuphela.

mina ngibona ubuhle emdlalweni wenu madoda labalechance yokubona iBosso yamampela live whether yalethwa by a poor Ndebele chap(yikho lapho okuvuka khona umsindo) called Barry Posiwe or a tshona choroma from Harare (as many would have loved) angibonismoko la, omunye wethu wenzile, nex time uzokwenza even better. even abaletha iRolling Stones iOntario Beer store bayasilela labo uzwe sokuthiwa ishow yayishisa lanxa kwaba lalokhu lalokhuya.

asimsoleni simncome uBarry and imuli kaBarry pliz asiyitshiyeni eceleni ikakhulu abantu abangobaba nxa umama ekhupha ilizwi lokuthi uhamba useyisisa ngabantu siyazi ukuthi kubuhlungu kangakanani asifuni ukuthi imuli kaBarry ifike kulelozinga and Barry thumbs ups bafo you still mantain your cool even usuhlokozwe ngomunwe endulo. thina otayani we can't be humble if we know we are right. may be thus what makes your ideas more noble and fruitful.

ma-lifemembers lani zizukulwana zababumbi beqembu inqobe isalele lina sesedlulwe lijunior lechikwata hk hk! zolala gu gu zivuke gu gu!

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#21218 - 10/01/05 06:02 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Zwangendaba Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Kuyabongeka lokhu.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#21219 - 03/17/06 08:33 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Gaselomhle Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 08/25/05
Posts: 517
Loc: Buqamama
The year has begun and the soccer league season is kicking off this weekend, is there any overseas friendly match for the team this year? Where are you Barry & what are the arrangements?

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#21220 - 03/19/06 09:03 AM Re: Mthwakazi you be the jury.
Zwangendaba Offline
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Tshisa .

Nxa ingabuya e Canada liyibeke in a central position that many will afford to drive/ride and watch it.

Sesiyikhanuka bantu i BOSSO.

When Manchester United came to the Giant Stadium in New Jersey, that was an opportunity to meet abantu. I am glad to say that is when I met face to face with SIRUMULA and many people. When you meet people in person, you develop that bond that is stronger than ukuthukana lokhu esikwenza eNkundleni.

Li Zwangendaba.

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