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#2373 - 07/07/05 11:21 AM
Lions and sheep
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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A friend of mine in London, a wise and perceptive son of iSilo samabandla in a far country, once said to me that people who look at British people and see sheep should realize that beneath the wool there is a lion's mane and beneath the soft sheeplike voices there is a thunderous growl.
I believe that from today we will see more and more the emergence of the leonine reality of Great Britain as its people confront the realities of what was done to innocent commuters here, humans living human lives, by fanatics and homicidal maniacs.
Some of the dead will be from many other countries.
Let us mourn them all.
Somebody's husband, somebody's wife, somebody's son, somebody's daughter, somebody's mother, somebody's father, somebody's sister, somebody's brother, died today on the innocent road between breakfast and a farewell kiss at home and the first hour at work.
Sithi: lala ngoxolo.
May the earth rest lightly on your mortal remains and may God welcome you to Heaven.
Sithi: lisemazulwini.
I believe that from today the British will grow increasingly prepared to confront fanatics and homicidal maniacs across the globe.
A new wind is going to blow across the planet.
Please let us position ourselves to let this wind carry us and assist us in our journey.
We are after all lions ourselves, not sheep.
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#2380 - 07/07/05 04:38 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 09/20/04
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Loc: ezintembeni
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#2381 - 07/07/05 06:58 PM
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 01/31/04
Posts: 36
Loc: Zimbabwe
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It is an outrage.....that must never never never achieve its ends.
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#2385 - 07/08/05 02:09 PM
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Ndunankulu
   
Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ndabezitha: Umbuzo wami kuwe uthi, ngubani obulala abanwatan labomama kwele Iraq???? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ngama British lama Americans
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> kawabulalani wodwa na Amadelakufa? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Labo bayabulalana, kodwa isizatho sakhona yikuthi udlame lukhwezelwa ngabavela ngabangaphandle, ama Bhilithani labaseMelika.
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#2390 - 07/08/05 05:41 PM
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 01/31/04
Posts: 36
Loc: Zimbabwe
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Bhudaza,
Two wrongs dont make a right. I insist that these bombings are an outrage and an evil and barbaric.
Please educate us on what the root causes are that can justify such an atrocity!
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#2393 - 07/08/05 06:47 PM
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Ndunankulu
   
Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by S'gwagwagwa: Bhudaza,
Two wrongs dont make a right.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why then do you condemn one wrong, and not the other?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Please educate us on what the root causes are that can justify such an atrocity!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I will not justify any atrocity. As a Mthwakazian I have suffered Gukurahundi and my own relatives now suffer from Muramba*****. The reasons for Allied Forces' presence in the Middle East have been shown to be misrepresented, just as the premise for Gukurahundi was.
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#2394 - 07/08/05 06:47 PM
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Nduna
  
Registered: 08/05/03
Posts: 362
Loc: Emzini wezi-Nkonjane
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#2402 - 07/09/05 05:03 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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I would simply like to note that the people in the Al-Qaeda franchises who bombed innocent people in London also killed some 254 innocent people in the bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and continue to direct the bombings of innocent Iraqi civilians, most especially those who are from the Shiite majority who are considered to be "kafrs" like the rest of the non-Muslim world by the likes of Al Qaeda purists.
I don't support the Bush Blair imperialism which has been conducted without any sense of the need for multilateralism or any sense of respect for the spirit and letter of international law.
I agree in many ways with George Galloway's analysis of the bombings save to observe that it was Galloway who visited Baghdad in 1994 and told Saddam </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability." </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thus putting himself on a par with those who lined up to present the Butcher of Matebeleland with paeans of praise, pangolins and knighthoods in his years of supremacy.
But because I don't support Blair and Bush I hope I will never be so naive as to think that I should therefore support people who would feel quite happy to kill any member of this forum in pursuit of this goal of creating an Islamic superstate or Khalifat which would view western democracy to be an enemy.
In my frank view it is a sin and a shame that some supposedly progressive intellectuals in the world today are prepared to shun the devil Bush and embrace the other devil Bin Laden.
Blood was spilled.
Let us not offer a nuanced response to the spilling of that blood.
It is not the time and I don't believe it is in accordance with the principle of ubuntu.
Are we daring to suggest the dead were culpable because they are living in the UK?
What if someone of this forum's relatives died in the bombings?
Shall I preach to you about Fallujah when we hear that Ndoda or Ndodakazi living in exile in London was blown to heaven by Bin Laden?
What sort of nonsense is that?
Should we then say we from the unhappy state of Zvimbagwe should suffer for the sins of Mgabe?
I stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of Britain and I hope that in this solidarity the people of Britain will understand the vital need to stand shoulder to shoulder with us.
I hope the British will stop the forcible deportations.
At the same time I would like to ask who will tell me how to deal with the CIOs and ministers' brats who invade the UK while spouting their support for a pack of religious fanatics from the middle east as well as a pack of irreligious fanatics from Zvimbagwe?
Whoever can offer an answer to that one wins the title Sage of the Ages.
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#2403 - 07/09/05 09:54 PM
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Ndunankulu
   
Registered: 11/09/02
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Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
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#2406 - 07/10/05 09:31 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Bakwethu it is a strange fact of human existence that it is always really easy to find really good reasons to kill other people.
When the day comes when others are the targets many people find it easy to be objective and analytical.
When the day comes when we become targets we find it easy to cry to heaven.
I think I will just cry to heaven when any innocent person is killed in London or Iraq or Mthwakazi and I won't try to offer a figleaf of legitimacy to people like Al Qaeda.
Ngitshiya pansi.
As someone who lives in London, and rather likes this city, I associate myself completely with London's Mayor.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Text of statement delivered by Ken Livingstone
?This was a cowardly attack, which has resulted in injury and loss of life. Our thoughts are with everyone who has been injured, or lost loved ones. I want to thank the emergency services for the way they have responded.
Following the al-Qaeda attacks on September 11 in America we conducted a series of exercises in London in order to be prepared for just such an attack. One of the exercises undertaken by the government, my office and the emergency and security services was based on the possibility of multiple explosions on the transport system during the Friday rush hour. The plan that came out of that exercise is being executed today, with remarkable efficiency and courage, and I praise those staff who are involved.
I?d like to thank Londoners for the calm way in which they have responded to this cowardly attack and echo the advice of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair - do everything possible to assist the police and take the advice of the police about getting home today.
I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a terrorist attack. We did hope in the first few minutes after hearing about the events on the Underground that it might simply be a maintenance tragedy. That was not the case. I have been able to stay in touch through the very excellent communications that were established for the eventuality that I might be out of the city at the time of a terrorist attack and they have worked with remarkable effectiveness. I will be in continual contact until I am back in London.
I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.
That isn?t an ideology, it isn?t even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I?m proud to be the mayor of that city.
Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.
I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.
In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.
They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don?t want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail.? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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#2407 - 07/10/05 12:30 PM
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Ndunankulu
 
Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 803
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
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The aim is not to try to justify the barbaric acts of any nature, but to justify justice. If you and me agree that terror acts pepertrated or committed by governments or individual groups can not be justified then it informs the mind that any terror is evil and can not justified simple on which one finds himself in. It is an evil that must not be confined to certain regions of the world, it must be dealt with severely, without favour. If the Western world terrorises any part of the world this must be condemned and the crimes committed brought into the international legal system to remedy or redress the injustices, but does USA accept its citizens to be scrutinised in this way?, the answer is no.
The arrogance exuded by the likes of Bush and his coeterie only serves to exercebate terror. Let us be impartial at dealing with terrorism, lets deal with the fundamental causes,where the finger points at us we must change, where the finger points at them they must change their ways. Unless and until we stop sweeping this under the carpet and pretend that it does not exists then we are in for a long long tension.
The naive will quickly point their fingers at the Muslin world for the evil attrocities unleashed on innocent people in the City of London, forgetting that anything is possible, the likes of IRA could still do it, the likes of FBI, CIA MI5 etc could do it to justify ulterior motives. One can not rule out the possibility that the Islamic fundamentalists maybe involved but, having witnessed bigger events than this and blame thrown on wrong people then one remains suspicious. One must not rule out Zimbabwean involvement too, if the possibility of Zim giving support to Alqeada guys who plane-bombed the world towers existed, so could be this time around. Let us leave the arrogance that has been preached over the years that other kinds of people are terrorist or could be terrorists but not the other type, everybody is a potential terrorist and everybody is a potential peace maker.
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#2409 - 07/10/05 02:51 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Zwangendaba: <strong> Bafowethu.
MINA NGITHI LABABANTU ABAQUPHULE INJANJI ZAMANGISI BANGAMAGWALA.
They are cowards of the worst order. I say so because, if you are a warrior, you must fight warriors like you. If you are defeated on the battle field, and you turn your frustration on civilians, then you are a STINKING COWARD.
IF YOU CAN NOT FIGHT A WAR, THEN NEVER EVEN CONTEMPLATE TAKING UP ARMS.
It was on this principle that we built ZPRA. We believed that we should not HASTEN in our PLANS. Because ungenza amawala ziyakuxaka izinto and you will turn your frustration on people you claim to be fighting for. War is for warriors.
Count us too when it is time.
THIS MUST BE A LESSON TO ALL WHO WANT ITILATILA.
Li Zwangendaba. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mdala this is language I understand; fighting language from a fighter in a fight I am ready to join in fighting too.
I hope I will be ready to fight like a man, like a soldier.
I hope I will never be one of those people who targets a West African cleaning lady who worked all night and was on her way to college because Bush and Blair are imperialists!
I hope I will never be arrogant enough to say that the people who killed here were anything but cowardly murderers.
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#2410 - 07/11/05 11:46 AM
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 66
Loc: Dinyane
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Well what l know is that Uk was very sensitive before to the issues regarding lslamic fundamentalism and terrorism and thus why the took part in coalition of the willing invasion of the lraq
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#2412 - 07/11/05 07:08 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nqojah: <strong> Well what l know is that Uk was very sensitive before to the issues regarding lslamic fundamentalism and terrorism and thus why the took part in coalition of the willing invasion of the lraq </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those of us who opposed the invasion of Iraq explained as the UK's security services explained that the invasion would very likely lead to the intensification of what I shall refer to as UK based "fundamentalist hostile mass anti-civilian activity"(to spare those of you of a delicate disposition who prefer not to call what happened "terrorism" as I am sure you prefer not to describe Mgabeism as "terrorism").
Unfortunately the British do believe in taking action it deems correct whatever the consequences.
They are also inclined to believe that if people such as the Muslim religious authorities across the world condemn this "fundamentalist hostile mass anti-civilian activity" as terrorism then it is terrorism.
I must advise these silly British people to visit Inkundla where there are greater experts on Islam than anyone else in the world who will explain how arrogant it is to call murderers murderers.
I always thought Ndebeles have suffered so much they know the ten thousand ways that killers justify their killing.
Maybe I am wrong.
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#2413 - 07/11/05 07:32 PM
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Ndunankulu
 
Registered: 05/04/04
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Loc: KwaGodlwayo
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I always thought Ndebeles have suffered so much they know the ten thousand ways that killers justify their killing. Mtshede .....................................................................................................
What about oppressors? don't they justify their oppression? Madoda let us face the truth, lapha we don't seek to be right or wrong, or to make somebody look stupid or whatever, we don't despise the George Bush's arrogance for the sake of it, but only as a quest for justice and fairness. We can not support something only because we have been subjected under the same conditions, i say no and no again, it must be known that we do not support terror at all, but we support all people who stand up to redeem their rights and freedoms world wide. Is there a poplitical mature man who can take serious what people express as expressions of solidarity at times of carnage. It is an open secret that people can take advantage of these events to express what they don't mean, therefore i wouldn't take these expressions seroiusly whether from Muslims or form Mugabe. Mugabe is a terrorist, finish and Klaar, anyone who thinks to the contrary its his or her own fault.
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#2414 - 07/11/05 07:48 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Sibs you know I respect robust debate.
You know I also respect you personally.
I will return to the arena tomorrow.
I just wanted to say these things first.
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#2415 - 07/13/05 01:57 PM
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Nduna
Registered: 06/08/04
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#2416 - 07/14/05 11:55 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
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Loc: London
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KwaMjaji, good post. I would have no difficulty in defining this as terrorism.
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#2418 - 07/17/05 04:04 PM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
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MaKhosi
Zwangandaba lakwethu ngiyakuzwa nsizwakuzwa uthi wena iyaze yabhodlela ematholeni lamankomanzi kodwa iya esidulini isidlithidlithize icije iphindele emangweni yebo kambe.
buka impi elwiwa e-Iraq njengesibonelo, uhlobo lwamabhomu leziqushumbisi ezithelwa phezu kwezindlu zabantu kudingwa lamalwecatsha. kambe akudali umfutho lokudinga ukuphindisela na?
abanye sebesele bengoyedwana abaselabani amaB2 achitha ukufa ebusuku into abayenza e-Iraq yiyo xathu eyenziwa nguMgabe kithi ethi kulabahlamuki loGeorge laye wathi kulezikhali zembubhiso imbongi yabantu iyabuza ukuthi zitholakele na lezizikhali? wavuma ukuthi they acted on false intelligence.
impi yeAfghanstan leyeIraq sezitshebelene kodwa bezehlukene eyeAfghanstan was very justifiable after the barbaric act of 911 which the whole civilized world stood together to condemn. eyaseIraq is a pure primitive invasion of a nation or a people just like Mugabe's notorious 5th brigade sanctioned on false intelligence the main purpose is to unhillate a people.
mina ngokwami i don't support any killing of anykind. Saddam is a despot so is Mugabe and his african cadre, if it was violation of human rights and civil freedoms, democracy and other religio-political liberties as prescribed by western powers Tony Blair as Zimbabwe's current former colonial master,his boys were to march straight to Zvimba for an effective regime change
Western powers receive a square blame on this miasma. most of these whoresons, these humanmongers are trained in the US and Europe. US and Europe were pre-dominantley christian which they effectivelly bastardised to appease their insatiate thirst for sin. religious dogmas saw the founding of the Americas by leaving Europe, and religious freedoms, which were as heinous and sinful as European dogmas, saw the steming of the current US constitution which abolishes christianity and fosters and bolsters eastern and middle-eastern indoctrinations and brainwashes. Little did we know that our condemnation of inhuman deeds stems from little religous education we learnt at primary school, it sculptured our mindset so is islam to it's people and any other religion. i doubt that if these American Moslems will do the same if they grew up on stories like the good samaritan and other altruistic biblical stories which shaped our childhood into somewhat responsible adult, a survey shows that soon after the banishment of christianity from the western classroom saw juvenile delinquency ,deviance and desonance skyrocketing. some of these suicidals are born and bred in a free western environment they go to school and learn how to make explossives some formulas are downloaded from the internet! America is giving religious freedoms to a people who do not need it who are not ready to receive it they are entrenched in their dogmas and hiding behind their sanctimonious facade, yet they oppress their women raping and stoning them in the name of religion, how do you grant religious liberty to such a pandemic form of religion? it is only in America were one comes and do as they pleases. if you come to my house you do as i do so is in Rome.
can anyone go to Iraq, Iran, Afghanstan, Pakhistan and all the Islamic world and claim that he/she is a christian therefore the education system should banish Muhhamad because he is inconsistant with christian beliefs, they will stone you if you are lucky, guess what the christian world is ready to throw their beliefs out of the window to accomadate other religions by that they are selling their countries foolishly. in Canada, for example, the Shieks will be owning Ontario's voter's roll soon and the whites will be a minority and these guys will be law makers very soon ramadan will be a provincial holiday in Ontario or face the unforgiving wrath of the sharia law.
this is a religious war against ideologies infused in the mind guns and bombs will only exacerbate the situation. i want someone, a true moslem to deny that the Quaran teaches about a western power invading the "mess-or-potamia" and the invasion of Iraq came as the fulfillment of this prophecy? and tell us what every true moslem is admonished to do to these zionist the infidels and comment on the victory.
the only victory for allied forces is to pullout and accept their flaw or rectify the Geneva convention and incinerate everything because this thing will never end last night 05/07/16 on CBCNews they were estimating insurgency at more than 100 000 which have infiltrated Iraq since the war started and people convert into Islam in thousands worldwide everyday! if all these suicidals are extremists and fanatics then they are quite a number which is a justifiable quantity to lable the religion thus.
not all moslems are suicide bombers but all suicide bombers are moslems period.
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#2419 - 07/23/05 06:12 AM
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 04/27/03
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Bafowethu.
Ngiyavuma Lembe. U Bush laye wenza ubugwala ngokusukela u Sadam, isitha sakhe esingu Bin Laden esazi lapho esicatshe khona. There is no justifying into abayenza e Iraq. Whilst I agree with you ukuthi into abayenza emazweni ama Muslim yiyo edala ubukliwi lobu esibubona busenziwa yiwo ama Muslim, ANGIVUMELANI LAWO AMA MUSLIM ukuthi asukele i Povo ngoba izalwa lo Bush.
Ungatshaya i Pentagon, ngithi "msila wembuzi". Ungatshaya i Twin Towers ngiyakusola ngize ngiyekufa.
Khangela thina ku ZPRA, u Smith wasi Bhomba e Zambia, savuka silumathisa amafutha akhe. The same fuel he was using to fly the airplanes to come and bomb us. Asizange sisukele amakhiwa siwatshisele ezindlini ema Suburb abo.
That is what war should be. If civilians die, it should be by accident like the Viscount Issue ku Zambezi Valley. That airplane was hit in the "WAR ZONE". ZPRA did not go to Salisbury Airport and hit that airplane, it was hit flying over a military war zone. Lelo liqiniso, the Zambezi Valley was a war zone.
Kayilwiwe ngaleyo ndlela imbi, not these loinskin wetting cowards like i Gukura who sneek on you in your sleep.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#2421 - 07/23/05 03:54 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It is indeed saddening that some people can be still perpetrate such barbaric acts just to gain unwarranted publicity. My sympathy goes to all those affected at this difficult moment </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Saddening indeed???
I think I have a problem with some of the things which people end up saying. Yes it might be babaric BUT these people are at war. At war against the system which is oppressing them. At time I end up supporting these acts.
Its unfortunate that we tend to be brainwashed by the western media too much that everything which is not western is evil.
Let them suffer for the evil things they are doing to the people of Iraq, the people of Afghanistan, what they did to the people of Africa and what they are doing and did to people fro different walks of life. When they were doing that what did they think was gonna be the outcome?
Selfish people need such a treatment. People must not complain. These people are targeting the system which is oppressing them and I'm saying tough luck to those caught in the cross fire.
No-one is condeming what they are doing in Iraq but is quick in condeming the death of only I will repeat only 50 Brittons. during the same week, a large number of Kenyans died and nothing was said Why. Should I cry with those who think they are more superior to other races? I do not think so.
Let them face the music. Yes I do not know the next target of these freedom fighters BUT as long as I am in the UK if I'm hit tough luck, I am making the system what it is.
How many innocent civilians have they killed in whatever operatin they partake in?
They are ruthless they do not even care the after effects. They were used to Africans where they just go and plunder the resources and Africans because they do not know what to do they just keep quite and allow this thing to happen. Now these guys kow how to play the game, lets watch and see them play it.
The other thing is what is the definition of a TERRORIST? Whose got the universal definition of a Tororo? When they invade they are not terrorist when we deffend ourselves we are terrorist, I think these people are stupid.
When people cry for the few peole killed it makes me sic. What about the multitudes being killed by their forces are they not people.
They should review their foreign policies.
They should know that thats part of the price for the Oil they are syphoning from those regions.
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#2424 - 07/23/05 05:44 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
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Mthwakazi Yintoni le??? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm I will not speak. Is this not babbaric. Let me hear someone condeming this. Thank you Sinatha I thought Blair had a landslide victory kuma elections.
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#2426 - 07/24/05 12:27 AM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he is a Muslim or not, he is a human being.
there it comes again, "religion" is showing it's ugly head.
the question is how w'ld the allied forces fight dogmatic and heinous ideologies infused in the mind. what identifies and motivates a suicide bomber? is it race, tribe,outfit,language,religion, money or what? only quantities of identical value cancel each other.
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#2430 - 07/25/05 01:02 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Abisha Moyo was fortunate.
He was just a Bulawayo boy who looked at a suicide bomber and survived.
One day a bomb is going to explode in Bulawayo like the bombs in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi and then a lot of Ndebeles who support the people who plant bombs are going to bleat like Zanu PF supporters.
I am just a stupid white man but I don't think we need that shit.
But Ndebeles kiss your orphaned arses goodbye.
That shit is coming.
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#2431 - 07/25/05 01:06 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Zwangendaba ngicela ukukuthi ngizwa izindaba.
When civilians die in military encounters it is regrettable.
The men who downed the Viscounts were men.
They never expected 72 virgins after death.
They were prepared for death.
They expected life.
If they live I will fight beside them against the Harare horror, to the death.
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#2432 - 07/25/05 01:45 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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I am sorry about that Brazilian chap.
Why did he run?
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#2433 - 07/25/05 05:34 AM
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Ndunankulu
 
Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 803
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
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Noone could afford to be sorry or saddened by the death of this innocent Brazillian and at the sametime point the cause of his death at his "feet". I am quite convinced that this man did not run, if he did i am quite convinced that he was not aware that he was being trailed, London is a busy City, i have seen many people running there, i am convinced that the explanations we are given are there to justify the death death of an innocent man, the police made a grave mistake and they must pay dearly for that.
Whether Ndebeles will get bombed one day by these fellows has nothing to do with the problems of "terrorism" First we must accept that there are fundamental causes of this and i am affraid the finger points at our door steps. If we do not acknowledge this simple fact of life then the problem will continue, many more innocent people are still to die and we have to blame noone else but ourselves, our arrogance, egos and superiority complexes. The thing is we must start opening dialogue with the so called terrorists, we must not dismiss them at face value, it is not a form of capitulation nor admission of defeat, but it is the right thing to do, it is a step in the right direction, it is a step to noramilising human relations. Noone must be called uncivilised, because this brings prejudice and anger. A channel of dialogue with a man like Osama Bin Laden must never be closed, but must remain open. This might be taken stupidity, but as a man whose people were called terrorists for fighting for their freedom i understand this better.
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#2436 - 07/25/05 10:24 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
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Collateral damage yiyo eyenzakale kumBrazilian. The intelligence could have been flawed, yebo kuyavela, but it leaves a sour taste ekutheni the guy should have prevented his untimely demise ngokuma.
Msup, mfanami lapha i arguement yakho iyavuza jo. The area esikuyo is very different from Gugulethu. Ngeke ubalekele umbobho useduzane khonapha usukukhombile (Bruce Lee lo Jackie Chan kuphela). Any sound person ungamiswa ngumuntu ophethe umbobho uyama. Why did he run eqe lama barriers and down the escalator to e stimeleni? He knew pretty well isimo esikuso ukuthi people will be trigger happy. He ran ngoba elesazela sakhe (wether justified or not).
If on the other hand ngabe ujaha lo ubelidelakufa and he was not shot, besizabesitshinga namuhla sisithi the ineptitude emapholiseni, why bengamdubulanga. Bantu, it is a split decision in the field that an individual has to take ukudubula.
This was a very unfortunate incident, yebo ukufa komuntu kulusizi, but I think sekuphehlwa isivunguzane enkomitshini ye tea.
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#2439 - 07/26/05 05:01 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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I still wonder why the man ran.
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#2441 - 07/26/05 05:24 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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I still say a man running on to an underground train wearing a bulky coat ignoring the shouts of armed policemen to stop might have been the next man to make a bomb explode killing many innocents.
And I think those of us whose lives are in London need to exhibit the fundamental intellectual integrity to say this man De Menezes was as much a victim of terrorism as all the people who were blown to Kingdom come on the 7 July.
And I think all the people who are naive and misguided enough to think the bombers somehow are associated with the struggles for justice and development across the world need to ride the trains and travel on the buses and follow their consciences as best they may.
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#2442 - 07/26/05 05:45 PM
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
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"fundamental intellectual integrity" was pun intended Mtshede?
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#2444 - 07/26/05 06:14 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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In my indulgent white way I occasionally try to look at the lives of Ndebeles in London.
People who came here in the 60s and 70s as refugees from my alleged Uncle Smith.
People who came here in the 80s 90s and 00s as refugees from their alleged Uncle Mgabe.
Their suffering piled suffering on suffering.
You know what?
They never bombed buses and trains in London.
But they do commute on buses and trains in London and they work hard and they try to support their families at home.
On the other hand you get some little Pakistani wanker whose mummy and daddy came here to work in the 60s and wanted their children to grow fine and strong.
But the children grew stunted emotionally and twisted psychologically then came to London to kill and die.
Or you get some Eritrean or Somali who came to the Uk and was given refuge and social welfare support to the tune of tens of thousands of pounds then they or their children went out to kill and die.
I will spare my tears of sorrow for those who deserve it.
Those of who you are apologists for those who die on buses and tubes may you die on buses and tubes.
I will go to your funerals and say with tears streaming down my face you died to support a cause you believe in.
You supported death so you got it.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Ndebele rads onanistically you support Islamist terrorism.
You do it partly out of ignorance.
You do it also out of cowardice.
You are too scared to go home and fight the Maddest of Mullahs, Mgabe.
Much easier to stay in London and support Al Qaeda.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Cowardice or ubugwala, call it what you will.
It uses big words.
It's always so transparent.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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#2448 - 07/27/05 06:32 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 06/07/05
Posts: 105
Loc: Ng'khaya
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#2451 - 07/27/05 08:53 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sibambamahawu: <strong> Mtshede
Ndebele rads onanistically you support Islamist terrorism.
You do it partly out of ignorance.
You do it also out of cowardice.
You are too scared to go home and fight the Maddest of Mullahs, Mgabe.
Much easier to stay in London and support Al Qaeda.Mtshede ................................................................................................... Mtshede let me get you well, are you saying we are ignorant because we are Ndebeles or because we do not agree with you on this one? Are you saying we are cowards because we are Ndebele or What? Who said that were scared to fight Mgabe? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Have I ever equated ubuNdebele with ignorance or cowardice?
I am talking to the Ndeble rads (radicals) who support the bombings.
This is a forum for Ndebeles is it not?
Please tell me whether you feel insulted and if so why and I will tell you whether I intended to insult you and if so why.
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#2452 - 07/27/05 08:55 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bhudaza: <strong> Some reports say the police did NOT identify themselves in this case. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please be kind enough to refer me to those reports.
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#2455 - 07/28/05 06:45 AM
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Ndunankulu
   
Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 586
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mtshede: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bhudaza: <strong> Some reports say the police did NOT identify themselves in this case. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please be kind enough to refer me to those reports. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heard it on BBC Radio London, Drive time. Sorry I cannot reproduce the report for obvious reasons. If it is true, I am not surprised that other reports are saying nowt. His family apparently revealed that he was wearing a jean jacket, not a padded one.
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#2456 - 07/28/05 09:41 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Hayi Lady Mabila when did you ever think I have ever insulted you?!
And as for you Sibs I feel very insulted by the fact that you felt I could insult you.
Budaz thanks, I will carry on looking into the matter of why this poor guy was shot.
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#2464 - 08/18/05 11:58 AM
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
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The same witnesses are in today's "The Telegraph" saying that what they had believed then to be the suspect jumping over the ticket barriers were infact plain clothes policemen.
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#2465 - 08/18/05 12:18 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
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Lindaba. uPope wake washo naye ukuthi babi abantu laba. Babi abantu laba ngiyaphinda. Baningi ababesola umuyi nansi indaba imane ivele nje. Usahoho wamapoyisa nango uselwela umsebenzi wakhe ngokubana wamane wahumutsha nje evikela izigebenga zakhe. Ngoba ngokungumuntu kwezizweni (British context) okwabulawayo kabanandaba. Koze kubafice labo I bet. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid...-name_page.htmlKunensizwa esayina "timed silence ...." thats true ngiyabonga mfowethu lami I'll not speak for now. If it was a Briton killed kwelinye ilizwe ngani sebaxolisa baze bazitshiya ngiyabheja
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#2469 - 08/19/05 11:38 AM
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Nduna
Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 481
Loc: Leamington Spa
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Hatshi ke lapho uzangi xolela Mninimuzi, mina kangizsazi isiteshi esilama CCTV cameras. Nxa belawo, ayabe engawe security njalo engasi woku sakaza.
Uzathola ukuthi ukuze atholakale amaCCTV akhona kumele bacele kwabe Underground koda bona phela angithi sebawadlulisela emaphoyiseni, njalo amaphoyisa azakuthi kawangeke awatshengise umphakathi ngoba indaba isa cazuluwa!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mninimuzi: <strong> Kanti lesositeshi sona ngesinjani esingela maCCTV cameras? Mina as far as l know,the entire united kingdom is infested with cctv cameras and many mystique cases have been solved through them.Kanti kuleyi case why kungakhulunywa ngamacctv cameras? l smell fish!!!! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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#2472 - 08/19/05 06:48 PM
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Ndunankulu
 
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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#2473 - 08/19/05 07:07 PM
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Nduna
   
Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 456
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
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#2475 - 08/22/05 06:58 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
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Inkundla I am ashamed and disgusted.
I am ashamed and disgusted by the naivety and rank stupidity I showed in being prepared to believe what I believed when Jean De Menezes was shot.
I am a fool and I was fooled.
My apologies and respects to all those with whom I argued in this matter of the callous killing of an innocent man and the subsequent attempt to provide a retrospective explanation for his killing.
You were right and I was wrong.
You smelled a cover up.
I was prepared to entertain the cover up.
I asked, "why did this chap run"?
Now I have my answer.
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