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#28992 - 07/25/04 02:57 AM Re: INKOLO
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Khazi! Akuthi lami ngizame.
Sebesizile ngaphambili ukuchasisa ukuthi uNkuluNkulu ngu God. Angazi kumbe sesivumelene kulokho. Nxa uthanda bala ku Isiah 46 v 9-11.

Mina ngithanda ukuphendula mayelana ngobudlelwano buka God lo Jesus. Mathew 1 20-23 usitshela nge incarnation ka Jesu which was in essence, the incarnation of God. The Lord, yena uGod appeared to Joseph in a dream and declared that Mary's child was conceived by the Holy Spirit and would be a son. Kwakungakabi lama ultrasound esilawo namuhla. Lakanye wazalwa waba yi ndodana. The biggest truth revealed here about Jesus is that He is both Human and God. Conceived of the Holy Spirit sent by whom...God who has all knowledge and is in control of the future and everything else. The conception and birth of Jesus are supernatural events beyond human logic or reason.God realised this and sent angels to help people understand the significance of what was happening. (See Matt 2:13, 19 & Luke 1;11, 26;2:9)
Ku 2Corithians 8;9 we are told that though He was rich, He became poor for our sakes. Jesus became poor by giving up His rights as God and becoming human. In His incarnation, God voluntarily became man, a wholly human person. He did not give up His eternal power when he bacame human, but he did set aside His Glory.

It is either uyakholwa okulotshiweyo kumbe hatshi.

Kwanele okwanamuhla. kwelinye ilanga ngizadobha eyokuguga kuka God and Jesus sitting at His right hand.

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#28993 - 07/25/04 04:06 AM Re: INKOLO
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well okwakuqala ithi ngithi mina amajokes ngawethu hatshi ngebizo leNkosi kanti njalo God is not a canivor. asinanzeleleni amahlayo becoz akumelanga siliphathe ngeze igama leNkosi. ngiyabonga.

indaba yeNod lamkaCain is very simple not every son and daughter of Adam and Eve are documented in the holy scripture only those with relevence to the plan of man's salvation. for sure Adam and Eve had other many children and grandchildren and the antedeluvians(preflood peolpe) lived longer than we do the space between the murder might have been quite a number of years for others to be born and scatter.

God is very democratic if He wasn't how will sinners eat and live, rain falls for everybody vile and holy. zimbabwe is one classic example those who don't support mugabe no grain, but God feeds us all.

if one is only capable of offering what he produces then the word trade should be scraped out. that sacrifice was a symbol of the ultimate(Jesus) therefore blood was to be shed for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Cain could have traded for a lamb since it was for the purpose of God whom his brother saved Abel was going to offer one but he was defiant and rebelious like the rest of us not taking God at HIS word.

Cain's seed is causing havoc even today possing as christians yet trampling on God's Holy precepts.

faith is all what it takes to be christian becoz spiritual things are foolishness to a canal mind becoz they are spiritually descened. most scholars were silenced by the discovery of the dead sea scrolls which they can't dispute showing the old testament narrative word for word yet today there are still some people who still quote the prediscovery theories to their own destruction yet their founders discaded them longtime ago and never told them about new discoveries, not you Zwangendaba, you are a noble man, but refrain from taking the name of God in vain. some circular professors still believe they evolved from monkeys, what a shame, y Carlos Darwin renounced his fables on his deathbed but some still cling unto them.

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#28994 - 07/26/04 06:56 AM Re: INKOLO
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GESTAPO

Hhayi kabi mnumzane. Uzongixolela ngoba kimina izinkweshe zisemagange.

Izwi likaJehova liyasho encwadini engcwele lithi: thanda umakhelwane wakho kangangokuba wena uzithanda. Liyasho futhi ukuthi umhlaba ungokaJehova, izilwane nemisinga kunye nabahamba kuwo. Liyagcizelela izwi ukuthi umona nenzondo yisono, nesici esizojeziswa esihogweni ngosuku lokuza kwendodana yomuntu. Liyasho izwi lithi, ngosuku lwamanqamu - zokhala izimfamona!

Tshela mina ke mnumzane: nakhu lapha uthi wena masingadlali ngezwi lenkosi ngoba uJehova mkhulu. Kodwa, ngiyabuza kuwena ngithi kungani uye wabhala kwenye indawo ukhombisa inzondo kuhlanga lwamaShona? Ubabiza abathakathi bezigodo njalo uyanxusa kubantu ukuthi mabadudule wonke amaShona ngodlame - behlomile ngemiphini yamakhuba!

Ingabe ukholo lwakhe luyayeseka lenzondo yakho? Ingabe izulu likaSomandla liyangenwa ngenzondo enjena?

Tshela mina baba.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

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#28995 - 07/27/04 02:37 AM Re: INKOLO
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Bafowethu.

Mzala, angivumi ukuthi u"GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Lapha sikhuluma ngokwehlulwa, and having other people impose their religions on us.

Nxa u"GOD" elenketha, kuyakhanya ngoba loba bezositshela ukuthi phambi kwakhe siyafana, bephuma nje ecaweni, sebesima bodwa. Pho silingana ngaphi???

U "GOD" lidlozi nje, as I have explained in my previous contributions. LOKHU KUTSHIWO YIBO KANYE ABANIKAZI BOLIMI LAPHO KWABOLEKWA KHONA LELO GAMA ELITHI "GOD". The Caucasian languages.

Inkolo akumele yenziwe njenge "DAYIZA" okuthiwa "Head or Tail". Okuthiwa "It is either you believe or not."

ESINTWINI sithi: U NKULU-NKULU UKHONA. The GREAT SPIRIT is not to be marketed by humans of flesh, as their knowledge of him is ZERO. Ungalilandela i Bhayibhili, uyalibona ukuthi liyivoxa njani indaba yalo. Isizatho yikuthi abantu bathatha imbali yama JUDA bayenze the all Authority into the worship of the great spirit.

Kuthi lapho usubuza, abantu bengezelele into ezingekho e Bhayibhilini, sebesenzela ukuvala izigamba.

Lokho kuphenduka kube ngamanga ngoba kungela bufakazi.

You can not market the GREAT SPIRIT (UNKULU-NKULU). Should he wish to manifest himself, he does so to whomsoever he wishes and at his time of choosing.

I Bhayibhili yimbali lenkolo yama JUDA. Ezinye izizwe zathanda nje ukuba ngama xhakele. Yikho indaba yakhona zisehluleka ukuyichasisa.

Siyehluleka ukuchasisa amagama alapho ngoba kawala ngitsho lobuhlobo lolimi lwethu. Lumnandi njalo ulimi lwethu. La magama ayasehlula ukuwachasisa ngoba awalabo ubuhloba lakancane losiko lwethu.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#28996 - 07/27/04 03:25 AM Re: INKOLO
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Bafowethu.

Esintwini sikhuluma ngokuthethela. Yikho lapho ESIBONGA khona. Yikho lapho ESIKHONONA khona. Yikho lapho ESIBUZA khona, lapho ESICELA khona, lapho esiTHANDAZA khona, lapho esiSOLA khona. YIKHO NJALO LAPHO ESICHOTHOZA KHONA.

Esintwini kasimesabi uNKULU-NKULU. Sithi silobuhlobo laye. Ngizaphinda isintu esidala esithi sona: UMA SINGESABA, KUKHONA ESINGAKUGUQULA NA???"

That is our relationship with the GREAT SPIRIT, uNKULU-NKULU. A relationship built on the KNOWLEDGE that whilst we KNOW that the GREAT SPIRIT exists, we do not KNOW what He thinks or what he will do next. And that has got nothing to do with us.

YISO ISINTU leso. We joke about the Great Spirit. We joke to Him too, even if we do not KNOW how He takes those jokes.

Gestapo.
ALLOW ME TO MAKE A QUOTE OF YOUR POST:
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if one is only capable of offering what he produces then the word trade should be scraped out. that sacrifice was a symbol of the ultimate(Jesus) therefore blood was to be shed for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Cain could have traded for a lamb since it was for the purpose of God whom his brother saved Abel was going to offer one but he was defiant and rebelious like the rest of us not taking God at HIS word.
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Your first sentense tells us that "GOD" gave CAIN an economic lesson that was so cruel it cost his brothers life??? !!!
Your second sentence contradicts the first one,IF Jesus was the Altimate, then he was a Canivour, as you yuorself say BLOOD had to be spilled.
Your last sentence is difficult to follow, because in the bible I have, CAIN did not rebel against anyone. They were asked to sacrifice and he brought with his "WHITE" heart, what he was capable of. IF YOU IMPLY THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT "god" EATS ONLY MEAT, THEN IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. THIS BECOMES YOUR STORY, BECAUSE IT IS NOT SAID SO IN THE BIBLE. UYENGEZELELA LAPHA MFOWETHU.

Emva uchasisa ngabantu laba abalotsholwa ngu CAIN. The King James version, The American Standard version, are all at varience with what you are saying. Alikutsho ukuthi ADAM had daughters after ABEL. Ngizaxolisa ngithi Uyengezelela njalo.

Ngivumele: Chapter 4:1 And Adam knew his wife and she concieved and bare CAIN, and said I have GOTTEN A MAN from the Lord. Chapter 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of Sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Chapter 4:8 ........., when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For GOD, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Chapter 5:4 And the days of Adam (AFTER HE BEGETH SETH WERE 800 YEARS. AND HE BEGAT SONS AND DAUGHTERS) My brackets, to show the difference between what you say and what the Bible says. There were no daughters before that mentioned. Asingabhali awethu amaBhayibhili.

I stand corrected.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#28997 - 07/27/04 03:26 AM Re: INKOLO
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Khazi!

Kanti uPauli yena owayeli Juda lama Juda ukhuluma ngama Gentile ku New Testament ukuthi labo sebe ngaba circumcised ukhuluma ngabonani? Uyakwazi na ukuthi after Pentecost, Ujesu esebuyele ezulwini, kwakulabantu ababevela eAfrica? Kwakulom Ethiopia owahlangana lo Phillip evela laye kwamkela uMOya Ongcwele owawuthenjiswe izizwe zonke ukuba yiwo ozahambisa ivangeli kuzizwe zonke okugoqela even isu baKalanga?

Manje nxa usala ukuthi UNkulu Nkulu nguye UGod yena ezitsholo yedwa ukuthi nguyena mina angisakwazi ukuthi ngithi prove njani.

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#28998 - 07/27/04 03:32 AM Re: INKOLO
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Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
Mntongenakudla

do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. my people were killed and are being killed those who do thus the same compacted and shaken together they shall reap. he who leads into captivity shall be led into captivity and he who liveth by the sword by the same he shall perish.

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#28999 - 07/27/04 03:52 AM Re: INKOLO
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Bafowethu.

Wilila Ba-Madzi. The Historical Ethiopia streches from Arabia, (YEMENI/ SOUDI ARABIA etc) Those people were called ETHOS, which means those whose skin looks like it has been bleached by ETHA ( a chemical that darkens), It stretches to the North Eastern corner of today's Ethiopia. Do not forget that the Ethiopians used to regard themselves, and some still do up to today, as non-Afrikan. They used to call the AFRIKANS ABBYSES, which means MONKEY. The old AFRIKA used to be called ABBYSINEA, meaning land of Monkeys. In Ahmaric Language, (which I speak very well, because I lived in that country for 3 years) they call it ABESHA.

It was only in latter years when we had the colonial ETHIOPIA, that they accept to also be called ABESHAS.

The presence of an Afrikan Amerikan in the AMERICAN CONGRESS does not in any way make the Amerikan Government universal. So if an Afrikan decided to Abandon his ancestors, and adopt foreign ones, in the form of an alien Religion, that did not mean all of us should take him as a good example.

Thina imbali yethu isitshela ukuthi besisokwa ekadeni. Historians will agree with me those who write about world cultures, that the (Bantu) have been circumsizing long before Moses was known.

Sizavumelana lapha ukuthi by being asked to circumsize, labo ababengakwenzi, basebetshelwa ukuthi sebengathatha USIKO lwalabo abangcono kulabo.

Uyabona ke Khazi ukuthi yikukhonjiswa indlela zabanye lokhu.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#29000 - 07/28/04 01:33 AM Re: INKOLO
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Loc: Mosul
Baba Zwangendaba
mina angisazi ukuthi ngingabeka ngithini you quote exactly the text but awuqondisisi the very same text. akulakwengeza engikwenzile i took so much for granted ukuthi you understand i-layout ye narrative kagenesis.

ngiyazi uyananzelela amanarrative styles which were employed on those chapters 4 and 5. kusetshenziswe ifuturism lamaflashbacks amanengi. nanzelela chapter 5 of genesis is not a chronological event of chapter 4. chapter 5 is a book of the generations of Adam not what happened after chapter 4. and verse 25 of chapter 4 is juxtaposition look at the generation of Cain before verse 25ff comes Adam will be 3000 years then thus why Adams year were placed there to clear such a generalization.

thus why in 2Tim 2:15 admonishes us to study the word of God and refrain from jus reading if we really study the word prayerfully we wont have such misconceptions.

go back to chapter four the offerings were voluntary and God chose Abel's not that he was wroth with Cain He said nothing to them Cain had a chance to do it wright the next time but he hardened his heart and murdered his sibbling.
he was the first to initiate.

all those sacrificial rites were but micro cosims of the macro cosim the types of the Antitype the shadows of the Real. look on the day of the passover the Most Holy place's curtain rent in twain and the multitude behold the Ark of the Covenant and the furniture therein becoz Jesus the Altimate
the Antitype was offered on the cross and that was over.

angengezi baba Zwangendaba engikhuluma ngakho ngiyakwazi. God The Creator Is God and there is no otherway to Him except thru Jesus on the similar note the Apostole Paul poses a question which heavens themselves have no answer to Heb 2:3 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at first began to be spoken by the Lord,and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

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#29001 - 07/28/04 08:28 AM Re: INKOLO
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Zwangendaba
Ngwane!
Wena wekunene!
Wena waphakade!


Indlela oyibeka ngayo indaba yokholo lwethu thina sizwe esimpisholo, icacile njalo iquza umqondo wendoda.

Yebo uqinisile ukuthi ekuhlukanisweni kwezinkolo zezinhlanganhlanga nguMvelinqangi, nathi thina ndlu emnyama sanikezwa i-code number. Kwathiwa thina sizocela konke esikufunayo kuyena ngokuhlabela amadlozi, sishise imphepho, sibike kwaphansi abayibona abazothumela izikhalo zethu kuMvelinqangi.

Uqinisile njalo ma uthi igama Afrika lichaza i-half muntu, half nja. Lokhu kwaqhamuka no Augustus Caesar on his African campaign lapho eqala ukubona umuntu omnyama. Ngoba sacindezelwa abelungu, salivuma igama elithi Afrika, okungelona eliqondile. After i-continental drift, present day Africa was named Gondwanaland. That's the correct name.

Abelungu beza nokholo lwabo bazosiphoqela thina ukuthi masilahle olwethu oluncike kwabaphansi. Nebala nathi sakuvuma lokhu, ngokukhulu ukungacabangisisi. Kanti thina eyethu i-code number sayilahlelani ngoba yiyona uMvelinqangi asipha yona ekuhlukaniseni kwakhe izinkolo ngokobuhlanga, ekudaleni kwakhe abantu?

Nakanjalo mina ngiyabuza: nakhu esiKristwini kunabo St Barnabas, St Peter. Kungani ke bengekho o St Mngadi, St Mkhize no St Zuma? Kanti thina sizwe esimnyama sonani? SingabakaSathane na?

Abelungu bathi bona bamhlophe, thina simnyama. Konke okuhle bathi kumhlophe, noNkulunkulu kunye noJesu bathi umhlophe. Kodwa konke okubi bathi kumnyama, noSathane umnyama! Is this fair madoda?

Madoda, abelungu yibona abeza nenklese nenxoviyo ehlose ukusihlakaza phakathi ukuze badle umnotho wezwekazi likaGondwana. Basephuca ukuzibusa kwethu, bachitha amakhosi ethu, basenza izigqila zabo, basishaya nge-racial discrimination. Abelungu beza namaqhinga amabi okudunga izizwe, aziqhathe zivukelane zodwa. Abelungu beza no-divide and rule ukuze banqobe thina. Abelungu beza nebhayibheli, basiphoqela ukuthi silahle amasiko wethu. Inhloso yabo ngempela bekuyibushokobezi. Bangene ngendlovuyangena, bephethe ibhayibheli esandleni sokunene. Isibonelo salokhu u-Robert Moffat. Lendoda yeza ngamasu amabi obungani obungekho kokaMntungwa (uMzilikazi). Ekugcineni, abafowabo ka-Robert Moffat laba basebenzisa ubunhloli bakhe ukudla izwe lethu likaMthwakazi ngesibhamu. Kambe ukholo oluza nobubi obunjena lulungile?

Okokugcina, Zwangendaba: ngivuleke ingqondo kakhulu ngokulalela uThokozani Mandlenkosi Nene. Lendoda beyingumsakazi wodumo emsakazweni wesiZulu (Ukhozi FM). UNene uyibeka njengoba injalo indaba yezinkolo zabantu. Uyagqugquzela ethi masibuyele emasisweni thina sizwe esimnyama. Uyanxusa ethi masivale yonke lemikhokha ngokuphindela okholweni lwethu lwendabuko, lukaMvelinqangi - hhayi olwabelungu.

Madoda, akeyibekwe ogqokweni lendaba. Malivele iqiniso njengoba linjalo. Ningavumeli abelungu benicakafula ngento engekho. Abelungu baze ne-divide and rule, basiqhatha, saxabana siyizihlobo, sazondana. Abelungu bathole sakhile, sihloniphana kodwa bakuchitha konke lokhu ngobugebengu nobuqili babo.

Mzwakwethu limukani. Mazibuyele emasisweni.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.

Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

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