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#29530 - 05/29/06 06:18 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
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Mnini mfo ngike ngincedise uGasela lapho,yes we worship God through Jesus Christ but remember God is three"trinity",God the father, the son and the Holy spirit,so the three are one,therefore we do worship Jesus too.
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#29531 - 05/29/06 09:59 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
mninimuzi Offline
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Mfowethu Mahlaba,can you please avoid giving an equivocal answer,phumela obala njengomtshayeli wetharakita,
'Do you worship Jesus or you worship God through Jesus Christ?'
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#29532 - 05/30/06 07:49 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Gaselomhle Offline
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Kumi kanje Mninimuzi, Kulobuthathu be zulu comprising of the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. The three are one and we worship them all. B4 the fall of man there was harmony btwn the three and humans. But when Adam & Eve sinned the harmony was disrupted. Having sinned the destiny of humanity was eternal death. For the gap btwn humanity and God to be bridged and to provide an option for redemption from eternal death there was need for some one sinless and with creative power to die in stead (place)of humans. Jesus did that. In so doing he became the "bridge" between ubuthathu bezulu lo luntu. In other words an option has been made possible to escape eternal death, and humans have to make a choice. This is how Christ becomes the "WAY".

To avoid sounding [:"red"] "equivocal"[/] nansi impendulo yombuzo wakho in precise terms:
We worship both God the Father and God the son.
We are saved thru Christ, this being thru that he died for us and opened a way for our salvation.
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#29533 - 05/30/06 01:12 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
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Bakwethu, ilndaba iyangithinta kakhulu. mina ngokwami ngikhonza uNkulunkulu ngokwakhe uqobo.Kodwa njengoba esitsho uGaselomhle, kulobuthathu Nkulunkulu okuthiwa yiGOdhead ngesilungu. ngakho uma ukhonza UNkulunkulu kumele ukhonze UBaba,INdodana LOMoya ONgqcwele.

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#29534 - 05/31/06 01:01 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Zwangendaba Offline
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Bafowethu.

Mina kalingiphenduli. Indaba yami kayizwakali na????

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The three are one and we worship them all. B4 the fall of man there was harmony btwn the three and humans. But when Adam & Eve sinned the harmony was disrupted. Having sinned the destiny of humanity was eternal death.
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1. At what stage in life do we start to know that there are THREE GODS IN ONE??? Did the originator of the JEWISH teachings, MOSES ever mention those three when he explained the JEWISH MYTH about creation??? Asikhulumeni iqinisa bantu.

2. You say, "before the fall of man, there was harmony.....", What sin is it that made man fall and deserve to be punished in eternal BRIME??? Sure thina esintwini kuyasimangalisa ukuthi ungaze uthembise ukutshisa umntanakho FOR EVER ngoba ephambanise wadla ubumnandi obukade umthiye ngabo??? Akelitsho.

3. THINA ESINTWINI WE DO NOT BELIEVE UKUTHI THE CREATOR CAN WASTE HIS TIME PREPARING A FIRE OF BRIME TO ROAST ALL THESE MILLIONS UPON QUARTRILLIONS OF INNOCENT SOULS OVER AN ISSUE TO WHICH THEY HAVE NO POWER. makhosi.

4. Esihlala sikutshelwa ukuthi we were created with a choice asikwamkeli ngoba in this WORLD YOU HAVE A CARVED PATH, so you can not make a choice on you SPIRITUAL DESTINY. ALL YOU CAN DO IS TOW THE LINE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR YOU BY YOUR CREATOR.

5. Lapho elingangiphenduli khona kulapha:
a. Ngesikhathi uJESU engakalethwa kwelakithi, kwakukubi na ukukhonza oNkulu-Nkulu ngamadlozi???
b. Nxa kwakukubi, wayengasidalanga na loyo Nkulu-Nkulu, wayengakwazi INGIDINGWANE zeminyaka le esekela SIMKHONZA NGENDLELA EZINGAQONDANGA???
c. Nxa kwakulungile, useboneni esesithi sekele leyo ndlela yona ilungile siqale manje ukumkhonza ngendlela ezintsha??? Kanti umdabuka ule FASHION na??? It changes with fashion??? This is acording to isintu, an INSULT to the creator ngoba simbona angani kala FORESIGHT.

MAKHOSI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#29535 - 06/14/06 02:48 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
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Bafowethu.

NGISAYA TSHAYA UNGCAMA.

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#29536 - 06/15/06 07:04 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Gaselomhle Offline
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see U when U come back. Pliz enjoy yourself!!!!
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#29537 - 06/18/06 03:51 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
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[] . Ngesikhathi uJESU engakalethwa kwelakithi, kwakukubi na ukukhonza oNkulu-Nkulu ngamadlozi??? [/]


kwakungakubi kodwa abantu instead basuka bakhonza amadlozi wona ngokwawo bengasathi bakhona unkunkulu through amadlozi njalo nxa uthi uyakukhangelisisa bonke nje abawakhnzayo lawo madlozi basuke bachothze khakhulu labo abathi bakhonza unkulunkulu that means bona they are no longer reach out to God through amadlozi kodwa amadlozi seyiwo uNkulunkulu wabo.
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#29538 - 06/18/06 07:01 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
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Qoki bendlu yakwethu, long thamu no c.

we will argue on religious matters till cows come home.
as a matter of fact we are always talking about different deities.

God Himself acknowledges the existence of other gods, be they be in man's imagination or man's creative power like work of art(idols).

however those of the Christian faith always find themselves engaged on trivia.

comparing Christianity lamadlozi is very unfair, it's just like comparing isiKrestu lesiHindu, isiBhuda, Zorostrianism, Shintuism, Sintuism hk hk. thess are different religions with different sets of deities. the god of the other is not necessarily the god of the other.

when one says god bless America after successfully dropping 3 or 4 megatonne bombs on a residential area or one who shouts, "Allahu akbhar" detonating himself in the midst of school children and finally the one who gave no condition and said,"Thou shalt not kill". i see three different gods right there.

the argument that there is only one god we worship or reach him in different ways is as wet as water.
in Christianity there is a triumvirate, Jesus makes it clear that he and his Father are ONE and no man cometh to the Father except through him and he promised his followers that he was going to the Father and pray Him to send the Holy Spirit to be with them so that wherever they where he (Jesus) will be also.

note he says i and my father, not the father, implication being there are other fathers out there for example John the baptist sees abazenzisi and call them the viper's brood phecelezi inzalo yenyoka/satan.

predestination raises it's ugly head in such trivia, some, even christians, believe they do what they do because it was meant to be from the word go. this kind of doctrine must not find any home in a christian mind. God carved man's destiny in the ten commandments, but do we follow that? let every one answer the question by conducting an introspection and see if the knife scar i had after sleeping with my neighbour's wife was actually God's plan for me.

last item, God of Jesus does not lay snares for us so that in return he will fry us. the bible is clear He does not allow any temptation beyond our power to come our way and if we fall as we always do he put a plan for us, Jesus the ultimate price for our sins. the bible teaches that it is God's plan that none of us should perish but find salvation through Jesus. those who have attended court sessions will understand how God, His law and sin deal with each other. if one brakes the law he/she has sinned and must pay a price, God does not say that, thus natural thus fair and level. if i kill a man i must face the laws of that land. however God or the judiciary system on circular matters kicks in, in God's case he takes the blame unto himself and his Son suffers in my stead, in circular matters i'm tried and if found guilty, sentenced, my criminal history kicks in the circumstances and sometimes charges waived or a lesser sentence or hanged.

manini ngime la okwa lamuhla kayiqhube omunye.
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#29539 - 07/30/06 05:44 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
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Bafowethu.

Ngekhaya njalo.

Ngincindezele:
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kwakungakubi kodwa abantu instead basuka bakhonza amadlozi wona ngokwawo bengasathi bakhona unkunkulu through amadlozi njalo nxa uthi uyakukhangelisisa bonke nje abawakhnzayo lawo madlozi basuke bachothze khakhulu labo abathi bakhonza unkulunkulu that means bona they are no longer reach out to God through amadlozi kodwa amadlozi seyiwo uNkulunkulu wabo.
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Nansi indaba Mahlaba. Yikho engihlala ngizama ukuthi abantu bakuzwisise lokhu njalo ukubeke ngcono. Asibuyele emuva elizweni lamaKHIWA okwakuthiwa yi Caucasus. Laba bantu babeledlozi labo elalibizwa kuthiwa ngu GOTT, kumbe GUTTI, kumbe GUD, kumbe GOD. Bebesithi nxa bethandaza baqale ngokulimemeza igama leli bemi phambi kwentaba u Caucas, bethi "GOOOOOOTTI". Besenza khonokhu esikwenzayo eNJELELE nxa sisiyabonga, siyamemeza sithi, "MLIIIIIIIMO". Yikho wonke umuntu wakwabo obesiba leziga ubethi angafa aphiwe lelo bizo laye abe luGOD, Umlimo, nxa isintu sami usizwisisa. Ngoba UMLIMO loNkulu-Nkulu kwehlukene kakhulu. UMLIMO lidlozi, oNkulu-Nkulu nguye umdali wakho konke.

Nampo ke abantwana baka GOD, sebeqala ukuba lama GOD amanengi nxa okhulu babo besifa. Lokhu sikubona ezizweni zama Greek lama Roma, lezinye izizukulwane zama Caucasian. Bale God of Sun, Idlozi le langa. Babe leGod of Love njalo njalo. Balabo Zeus, Mars, Atlas, Jupiter baze banikeza onozungeleza esibhakabhakeni amabizo amadlozi akibo lamhlanje i Biology, medicine and science refere to their Gods for certain references. Ungabulawa yisithende bathi ule Archilles heel. They have immortalised their amadlozi. Then one day they decided to make ONE OF THEIR GODS SUPREME. Bathi wonke amanye amaGOD will be spelt with a small "g". Then they went further to declare that that God was now the creator.

When such things are not followed CHRONOLOGICALY, we will get confused. From ukukhonza oNkulu-Nkulu using amadlozi abo GOTT, they ended up worshipping wona lawo madlozi and elevating the same to the status of oNkulu-Nkulu.

Nanku futhi lamhlanje lithi u Jesu ngumtaka Nkulu-Nkulu. Libuye lithi selimkhonza okulinganayo loNkulu-Nkulu. From one and only God, abanye sesitshelwa ukuthi they are now THREE - TRINITY. Yini lithanda ukusanganisa ingqondo zabantu??? Abanye lithi mhlana uJesu ebuyayo uzokwakha umbuso wakhe. Thina ke ama Heathen we ask -
1. At his corronation, are you predicting that his father will have died for Jesus to be declared the king of this new kingdom??? Uyafa loyo GOD???
2. Some bibles state that Jesus shall lead an army against Satan and his saints??? This is just typical of the Greek and Roman MYTHICAL stories where one GOD would declare war on another.
3. After that war then what???

You can call a child after its father's name. But you can not call a father after his child"s name.

Isintu asikwamukeli ukukhonza idlozi. As much as ngingasoze ngilikhonze idlozi lakwethu, angisoze ngilikhonze elezizweni. Elakithi idlozi githethela kilo njalo ngikhonza ngalo. MAKHOSI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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