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#29430 - 01/16/06 10:24 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Godlway'omnyama Offline
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Eiysh!!! laze langithinta kwamancane ngezenkonzo. Yiyona nto engiyaziyo lena. Imbhhalo leyi eliyibeke lapha iyangisiza kakhulukazi. Lonke ngiyalibonga bakwethu...kodwa njengokutsho kwenu futhi abanye bajinga bengasalandeli lowombhhalo, bebesebethatha ukholo (or part of it) besebekwenzel'inyama nje...ngoba ngisakhumbula ngingena l'umhlangano wokukhuzwa/lokukhuza iYhuthi yekhaya, ngemva kwe Conference esaba nayo eLobengula ngibona ngama 1998 loba 1999, kwaba lokulinganisa ukuthi kanti kungenxa yani lezi ezendimi zikhanya kakhulu endaweni ezimbalwa, kodwa thina silamabandla amanengi kangaka, phela ezaziphezulu ngezendimi kwakuyi:

1. Lobengula
2. Wanezi
3. Matopo
4. Mtshabezi

nxa sikhangele amabandla amakhulu loba ama steshini, kwakhanya okuyinto lokhu kuya ngenkokheli yakhona, kwaphuma ukuthi ungakukhangelisisa, ama Yhuthi lidazi ezinkonzweni lezi loba kulamabandla babezimbila zantabanye, bengabangane njalo besenza into efanayo ivini kuma programmes abo. Okunye engingakugcizelela lapha njengoba ngisitsho, abakhokheli bangenza kukhanye kukuhle loba kukubi laph'enkonzweni, ngiyakhumbula mina kuthiwa eMtshabezi babekwenza kodwa wawungeke uzwe lutho ngakho if any khatshana kwesikhathi, ngoba phela uSiziba wayengathakazeleli into ephunyiswa emitshini isiswa ngaphandle...ngibona liyangizwa khonapho. Engizam'ukukutsho lapha yikuthi, nxa lezizindimi zikhona (njengalokhu silabofakazi) kazenziwe sikhangele kuyena uSomandla, hatshi ukuthi senzele ilizwe lokujabulisa inyama nje, ngoba phela kwakusiba khona lokuthi loba kungaba lokuthandazela abagulayo ikakhulu sengikhangele kumabhodingi laphana, uzahlatshw'umkhosi (hatshi lakho kuqondile) kodwa phela babesiba khona laba bantwana ababesiwa kuphume ezinengi mdala, abantu batatazele, ivini kuma spotsi laphana babefeyinta abantwana, laphoke kube lexesha lokukhuluma ngezindimi....lingizwisise, ngizamkubeka ezinye izinto ezani azingiphathi kahle ngezindimi, njengoba ngitshilo ngaphambilini, kuya ngokuthi likuphatha njani okuyinto kwakhona...

Ngilitshayel'ihlombe bazalwane ngembono eliyifezile ngaloludaba...Hhaleluya!!!! AMEN!!!

GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME: ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD! AAAAMEN!!

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#29431 - 01/17/06 02:43 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
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Bazalwane ngiyalibingelela ngegama likaJesu uMsindisi wethu owasifel'esiphambanweni wachith'igaz'elingcwele, ngisithi ukuthula makwande phakathi kwethu.

bengicela lami ukuphonsa okuluvwana kwami ngalindaba yendimi. angizukwanda ngomlomo njengebhasikithi kodwa ngizanamathisela izahluka ezibetha ngendimi besengibeka imibuzwana esingayiphendula sonke phecelezi, sekuyindatshana yokuzwisisa/comprehension. ngizanamathisela iMisebenzi 2(Acts chapter 2), labaseKhorinte bakuqala chapter(s) 12-14. ungabala amaChapters la(advisable) or scroll down to the questions and refer back to the chapters for answers.

Acts 2 whole chapter

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


1Cor 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Bible software

Chapter 13


1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Chapter 14 (chapter 14 is contunuation of chapter 13)

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


1.What are the differences and similarities between the tongues mentioned in Acts 2:4-11 and those in 1Cor 13:1?

2.What is the most prevalent form of tongues today (that of men[different languages Acts 2:4-11] or that of angels 1Cor 13:1 [glossalalia])?

3. Is speaking in tongues the only spiritual gift hence a sign that one has the Holy Spirit? 1 Cor 12:8-10

4.Who chooses who receives what gift? Can ones pastor, friend, decon, mai mufundisi e.t.c, pray for him/her to receive a gift of tongues? 1Cor 12:11

5.Which is the most important spiritual gift and which is the least? 1Cor 13:1ff

6.What is the sign of the infilling of the Holy Spirit in ones heart:? Acts 1:8 (not pasted sorry).

7.What is the specific purpose of the gift of tongues? 1Cor 14:22

8.What is Paul's main argument in 1Cor 14:7-19, is he for an intelligent speech or unintelligible gibberish? like, Manishma. Tov toda Rabbah(Hebrew) or Hamasatacharama amasatacharama, rasdashan, mondo succha( glossalalia/tongue) lami phela ngiyawatshaya hk hk.

9 (In 3 parts)

a). How many people could possibly speak in tongues during a church service or at a time? 1Cor 14: 27 and vs 33.

b).Is the interpretation of tongues mandatory? 1Cor 14:27 (if yes, do they do it in our churches?).

c). If there is no interpreter what does Paul say?1Cor14:28 use the New English Bible (NEB) for better wording those who do not have it, it says "let him shut up".

these little questions can be used to test what we are used to against the Scripture coz somethings are very spiritual but not scriptural and there are so many spirits out there.

amachapter avele kwi KJV.

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#29432 - 01/17/06 04:00 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Mabila Offline
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Pho u "mai mfundisi" sengowani?

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#29433 - 01/17/06 01:40 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
ILembe Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
Mabila

jus pulling your leg I khew you were gonna catch that one hk hk.

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#29434 - 01/17/06 08:33 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
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Lembe

kuyaboneka mfawethu ukuthi uthe waphosa amavesi angancedisa ekuzwisiseni leinto eqakathekileyo kangaka kithi ikakhulu lamavesi

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts


Ngiyabonga baba,phinda njalo <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

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#29435 - 01/18/06 05:16 AM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 282
Loc: Tjolotjo
Mahlaba

njengoba uthe ngiphinde ithi ngizame. ngiyabonga ngokucacise okwenze ngaphezulu.

Lindaba yendimi inde njalo ibanzi ayiqalanga lamuhla yadabuka lesiKrestu. uMpostoli uPhawuli walwisana layo eKhorinte njengoba incwadi iveza.

nxa ungananzelela indimi zilula ukulingisa nje. lindaba ingikhumbuza okunye okufana okulingongongo, kuyazitshaya, kudlala, umalumakho akukhuze. kodwa amagift anjengokuprofetha anzima ukulingisa ngoba kumele kufezeke lokho okubonisiweyo nxa kuyindlala enkulu ,umkhuhlane, impi, kumbe umbiko ovela eNkosini labotsunami, kumbe into ezingehlela umzalwane.

Okusemqoka okumele sikunanzelele yikuthi lababantu abakhuluma ngendimi they are under the influence of a "spirit", bakhona abalingisayo nje abalememory ebukhali labarayimayo, but the big question is whose spirit is at work? since it is crystal clear that what people do is inconsistant with the Holy scriptures. Things like praying for people to receive the gift of tongues or teach them how to speak in tongues. The apostles could only pray for one and lay hands on him to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 19:1-6 is the most commonly misquoted part of the Holy Scripture which says: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">More light can be given by the same apostolic act in Acts 8:15-17 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">These acts were very clear, to receive the Holy Spirit and He is the one who give gifts according to His will, it was not for Paul or Petros to decide who receive tongues or whatever gift.

Well Petros did warn about the Pauline epistles/letters in 2Peter 3:14-18 and said, </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well today most of us will quote scriptures unto our own destruction. Lindaba ngibilayela ngayo nje ngoba ngiyibona nsukuzonke lakumabonakude idlwangile abantu are being taken for a ride. Like one friend of mine taeches that once you are saved and received the Holy Spirit shown by speaking in tongue you will never be lost you are now immune to sin that is you can sin and Jesus will take it all since the bible says for all have sinned and come short of glory. Now and again he takes his tongue mistresses on vacation leaving his wife at home under the flag of salvation guaranteed by speaking in tongues. not all tongue speakers do this evil though.

I strongly recommend all the able minded Mthwakazians who wish to espouse christian values to do the following,2Timothy 2:15-16 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">and "Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read" -Isaiah 34:16, KJV

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#29436 - 01/18/06 04:50 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
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Loc: bulawayo
lami ngingo webandla labazalwane kuKristu Bretheren in Christ ,indaba le iyahlupha endaweni ezinengi , people tend to have sceptic views about it why because it is in it self a one on one with God ,u pawuli uthi ye kuhle ukukhuluma ngezindimi kodwa nje khona akukhulisi ibandla kukhulisa umoya or spirit man of that particular individual ,so thina njenge nkundla kasinanzeleleni ukuthi into le ingumzwangedwa futhi , futhi iyisipho so abantu at various levels of salvation will be found speaking in tounges akuyi nge experience kuyi gift ,futhi ngicela lo obuza ngale ndaba atsho ukuthi yena uMoya oyiNgcwele uyawuqondisisa yini ngoba phela speaking in tounges is just one of the many signs of the presence of the Holy Spirit , a phawuli uthi yena masicela sicele ikakhulu ukuprofetha yikho okwenza labangakholwayo kuThixo bakholwe izindimi are of personal gain , but nxa nga uNkulunkulu enganginika amandla okuprofetha ,besengibona omunye wethu olapha ebulenjini kuvision or dream ezakwehlelwa yingozi ,kumbe elenkinga emhluphayo uMoya ungambulele imfihlo yakhe kuba yinto enhle omunyewami esesizakele ,futhi kube yibufakazi ukuthi sikhonza uNkulunkulu ophilayo owezimanga ,kasiqaphelenike nkundla singabi njengaba pharesee ababemi ngolwazi lombalo kodwa amandla kaThixo bengelawo ,futhi amandla kaThixo atholakala ekuzehliseni lokumdinga ngemithandazo elokuzincitsha lokudla over a long time , you just have to seek God with all your heart kenje i greatest commandment kaJesu liyayazi nkundla ithi yona love the Lord God with all your heart and soul , phela kayilula lendaba eyothando uThixo simnika ipeacemeal love ibosso ibengaphezulu kwakhe ,nxa sinjalo kubanzima ukuthi siyiqonde kahlekahle lendaba yoMoya , but kuhle sibuzane bandla ,lami kukhona engikwaziyo lengikukhuthayo lingiqondise yibo phela ubuhle benkundla lobu

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#29437 - 01/18/06 05:14 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
futhi bazalwane nanzelelani ukuthi ibandla le korinte lalihlupha laphiwa imilayo egoqela izinto ezinengi okwaziwakakhulu yikuthatha , izindimi , lokuthi abafazi bathule du enkonzweni babuze ngekhaya uphawulu ubaxwayisa kuzolezi izinto ngoba ababekhuluma izindimi babephinga fornication sokhonapho kusipha isibonelo sokuthi ukukhuluma ngezindimi does not mean gaining supernatural power to be temptation proof and ultimately not sin ,David was a man after God's own heart but he sinned , futhi lokhu akunike thina igunya lokonela uThixo never ,so akusiqiniso ukuthi nxa ukhuluma itounges awubi lolaka olu out of control or awusafebi ngitsho lesi yisipho nxa usiphiwe be grateful udumise , remember the great commision is there for us to bring more people to Christ and speaking in tounges paul says we should seek more of prophesying , then my advice is asilandeleni upaul sibengama witness ngezimanga ezisilandelayo than imdimi esizikhulumayo

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#29438 - 01/18/06 05:29 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Bakwethu

Nxa ngingaya esontweni lapho okulabantu abakhuluma isi Jama and then nxa sekukhulekwa ngikhuleke ngeSiNdebele, akuzukuthiwa ngikhuluma in tongues?

Umbuzo wami owesibili, yikuthi who has the ability to interprete ama 'tongues' lawo akhulunywayo and determine ukuthi manje umuntu lo okhulekayo is speaking in tongues pertaining to holiness?

Ebhayibhilini, we should note that in most of the incidents where people spoke in tongues kwakule purpose - and that was solely to be heard by the audience. Acts 2:6 (the pentecostal incident)illustrates this clearly.

On the issue of spiritual gifts, they are there for a purpose hatshi ukuthi kube for individual understanding kuphela. They are there for the benefit of the church and community atlarge. Nxa umuntu engaba le gift of the tongues zingela benefit to the congregation, angiboni ukuthi kuyabe kuhambe njani. if umfundisi azakhuluma in tongues, who is he serving? God hears me nxa ngikhuleka ngeSiNdebele, ngakho indaba ye tongues le we should look at it in context.

Ngimcane ebhayibhilini bakwethu, mhlawumbe angilibali kuhle ibhayibhili lami.

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#29439 - 01/18/06 06:28 PM Re: Izindimi(tongues)
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 671
Loc: Emlindini Wesambane
Lembe


15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:


ucacile mpela baba bangemukelisa abantu ngokubathandazela kodwa not kubafundisa ukukhuluma ngazo,ngoba labo bangake bazi ukuthi bayabe besithini

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