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#3008 - 01/17/06 08:43 AM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Mabila,Ushay'ispikil'ekhanda.Umsunu osempankeni ngiyamuzwa,kodwa uthathelizinto kude.If they were
wise enough during that time beyibona le document
bekumele bathathe inyathelo elikhanyayo kusesele
sikhathi.Ama-events wonke la esibhekane lawo alandela EXACTLY igrand plan.Its unfortunate ukuthi there are some people abalokhe becabanga
ukuthi abelungu yibo abazama ukwehlukanisa abantu
lapha eZim.Phaphamani ebuthongweni.Sekusile.

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#3009 - 01/17/06 12:45 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
mkhize ozikhizayo Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/30/04
Posts: 349
Loc: Emaguswini
Danki Ndlovukazi sengathi inkosi ingengeza inqondo phezu kwalezo eyakunikeza zona kimi uKhabazela kuzwakele.

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#3010 - 01/17/06 03:06 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Manyanyatha Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/08/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Sikombingo
Sis H

Wawu Dealer labo useLondon yini wena H? Buza abahleli labo abeTshabi ukuthi amaSECRET agcinwa for how long ezifubeni zabo. Kumbe uMadu angasazisa nanku udlala labo.

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#3011 - 01/17/06 08:36 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sister h:
<strong> ............Mabila , i grand plan document yaqala ukuvela ngo 1979, mina ngangilapha e uk ku exile njalo ngihlala endlini kababa uLot senda.

As an exiled political movement Zapu had some offices in Golders green in london, we did analyse that document with a fine toothcomb and our conclusion based on intelligence reports from our intelligence wing was that the grand plan document had all the hallmarks of our arch enemy the special branch.
We new it loud and clear that the aims of the enemy was to wedge a gulf between the patrioticfront alliance during the lancaster commonwealth constitutional talks.
The smith regime had used various means to plant antagonism betwwen the revolutionary parties ie initiating calculated contacts with Mqabuko in lusaka and trying to use economic muscle and military forays into zambia to influence kk into forcing zapu into an unholy alliance with the smith regime.at one time we almost fell for the bait but Kgb and the cuban intelligence brigade were a step ahead.

Having experienced the treachery of the special branch in trying to sow the seeds of division through use of selous scouts who purpoted to be zipra cadres and butchered shona speaking people in the hurungwe, kariba and chinoyi areas lam very sceptical about the authenticity of that document

lurge caution to the youger members of our society who can be gullible to believe at face value originality of that document

Top secret and sensitive documents in any gvm or political movement are usually encrypted or in coded form, when zanu pf at the height of mugabes lunacy seized all our party documents up to now they have failed to break the codings.

Having dealt with zanu pf during the unitynegotiations from mid 1996 into december 1997, l learnt one thing believe it or not zanu is very secretive and any information which we sought about their party assets was either not available or was in coded form this beame one of the most sticking points in delaying unification of the two parties,therefore for such a highly sensitive issue like the grand plan they could have kept it in coded forms . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mayi khesi izi alesitedi! Dade <strong>'hatsha'</strong> kumbe <strong>'hetshi'</strong> wako Hadebe bokukhaphithuletha bekuZapu, ukhuluma njengomuntu ongazi nex! Ubuhleli koBhuleya isikhathi sonke lesi yikho untshuma uhema ngokwenzakala komgonondo. Angithi kini khonangapho kokhwini kuthiwa umuntu onjengawe, kumbe owenza njengawe 'uklulesi', uphila impilo yabo James Bond. Ophila impilompilokuzwa akenzi njengawe. Angisayikuchitha isikhathi somphakathi lesakho ngingejana lawe kulingxoxo kodwa ngizakuxwayisa ukuthi phenduka uze komgonondo udubeke njengathi sonke, ubambe indlela ebanjwe ngabantwana beNkosi bebalekela umkhenkethe, indwangu enduna bezebezokuwa kokhwini kumbe komagangeni.

Phaphama ke masigogo, uzwe iphunga likakofi (hayi uOlomide, hk hk).

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#3012 - 01/17/06 09:31 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 671
Loc: Emlindini Wesambane
Sisi H


was examplifying good advice which l obtained from the very people who are my fellow zimbabweans

baphi? abetshabi yini yibo obathi fellow zimbabwean,?caca,nxa kuyibo do you think we can take that as advice?

As a grouping that seek to champion the values of openness and democratization of the political landscape we should start in our own midst by democratisizing our own minds, different views are healthy coz they foster a much stronger association which is receptive to different ideas analyse them and emerge with something much more stronger and can withstand any pressures
very sensible <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

. As an exiled political movement Zapu had some offices in Golders green in london, we did analyse that document with a fine toothcomb and our conclusion based on intelligence reports from our intelligence wing was that the grand plan document had all the hallmarks of our arch enemy the special branch.


Are you in other words tryin to rule out the fact that ZANU wrote the GRAND-PLAN and masterminded all plans in it,kumbe kangikuzwanga kahle?


Top secret and sensitive documents in any gvm or political movement are usually encrypted or in coded form, when zanu pf at the height of mugabes lunacy seized all our party documents up to now they have failed to break the codings.


Kanti manje ongakuzwisisiyo yikuthini,unfortunately sesayibona njalo ukulotshwe kuyo yikho okwenzakalayo,thina kasisoze senze njengani sizame ukuhlala phansi laba bantu sithi kasibuse sonke ngoba it is clear that is impossible,ngoba bona they have hiden agendas,so ongaboniyo lokhu kekele kodwa iqiniso yikuthi kungaze ume kuhlangothi lwabo lokhu bekubona njengeimmigrant kuleliya izwe!!Lizaphaphama induku sitshay'esundulweni,mina ngithi azikhale!!

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#3013 - 01/17/06 10:17 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Jericho Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 23
Loc: INDIANA.USA
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sister h:
<strong> Bandla, why are we so defensive and resort to name calling of other fellow contributors whose opinion or views is somehow not aligned to others?

Now my beloved sister has the audacity to call me harare, dade mabila angila amanengi.

As a grouping that seek to champion the values of openness and democratization of the political landscape we should start in our own midst by democratisizing our own minds, different views are healthy coz they foster a much stronger association which is receptive to different ideas analyse them and emerge with something much more stronger and can withstand any pressures.

Iam not gloating nor trying to blow my trumpet over the small gesture l did for my community, l was examplifying good advice which l obtained from the very people who are my fellow zimbabwean

Mabila dade point of correction, ngidabuka koHadebe ngendele ko{Mpangazitha umsunu osempankeni}, umqwayi ongela qhubu.Therefore any illusions about my identity should be corrected.

Mabila , i grand plan document yaqala ukuvela ngo 1979, mina ngangilapha e uk ku exile njalo ngihlala endlini kababa uLot senda.

As an exiled political movement Zapu had some offices in Golders green in london, we did analyse that document with a fine toothcomb and our conclusion based on intelligence reports from our intelligence wing was that the grand plan document had all the hallmarks of our arch enemy the special branch.
We new it loud and clear that the aims of the enemy was to wedge a gulf between the patrioticfront alliance during the lancaster commonwealth constitutional talks.
The smith regime had used various means to plant antagonism betwwen the revolutionary parties ie initiating calculated contacts with Mqabuko in lusaka and trying to use economic muscle and military forays into zambia to influence kk into forcing zapu into an unholy alliance with the smith regime.at one time we almost fell for the bait but Kgb and the cuban intelligence brigade were a step ahead.

Having experienced the treachery of the special branch in trying to sow the seeds of division through use of selous scouts who purpoted to be zipra cadres and butchered shona speaking people in the hurungwe, kariba and chinoyi areas lam very sceptical about the authenticity of that document

lurge caution to the youger members of our society who can be gullible to believe at face value originality of that document

Top secret and sensitive documents in any gvm or political movement are usually encrypted or in coded form, when zanu pf at the height of mugabes lunacy seized all our party documents up to now they have failed to break the codings.

Having dealt with zanu pf during the unitynegotiations from mid 1996 into december 1997, l learnt one thing believe it or not zanu is very secretive and any information which we sought about their party assets was either not available or was in coded form this beame one of the most sticking points in delaying unification of the two parties,therefore for such a highly sensitive issue like the grand plan they could have kept it in coded forms . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

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#3014 - 01/17/06 10:54 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Sister H,

I am forced to respond to your message above lanxa bengingathandile ngenxa yokuphika kwakho ukuthi iGrand Plan yabunjwa ngabeTshabi, ngeyabeTshabi njalo nje isasebenza lamuhla kwelakithi, isilempande njalo nje isiyenabile . If Zapu was constituted of abantu abacabanga njengani, then you have indeed created an aha! phenomena in myself in realising how Mugabe was able to outwit and outfox you ngalezo nsuku.

Sekumgceke ukuthi abantu bakithi who were leaders then did nothing to prevent iGukurahundi visiting our people but were bent on blaming amakhiwa ngezinto ezingekho while the enemy was strategising to murder our people in their thousands. Your inaction to prevent the effects of the Grand Plan is inexcusable and you guys should feel guilty ngale indaba. This is amzing indeed!

It is also simplistic to ask the oppressed Ndebeles to exercise democracy so as to accommodate their oppressers and their philosophy of oppression, when they the oppressors are not democratic themselves and have time and again spunned our efforts to make peace with them. What was the Unity accord for? What did we get from that Unity accord? The Shonas as a nation are nothing but oppressors and we should now move away from appeasing their oppression to challenging it.

It is worth noting that their oppression system is indeed extreme and for us to be able to counter it and deal with it, we need to be even more extreme in the way we challenge it. That is what a revolution is all about and that is what the revolutionaries are made of. It is a misperception that we the Ndebeles are tribalist when we are agitating against our oppression to liberate ourselves. It is very unfortunate that the people who propagate, perpertuate and sustain that perception are some of our kith and kin who are always keen to approah this issue njengaboKhondakitha bamaBhasi abahlala benombela iBhasi emuva bevungama ngemvoxloxlo besithi the Driver is always right lanxa e-overspeeder ezobulala abantu! Angithi uKhondakitha uyathula athi zwi kumbe njalo atshotshovele uDiliyiva ngemvoxloxlo yakhe abantu baze baphele? We therefore can not continue to play the Khondakitha type of politics ngale indaba. Those who want to can do so for it is they have that freedom to exercise!

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#3015 - 01/18/06 10:35 AM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Dokotela Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1304
Loc: Emkhathini
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sister h:
<strong> Mabila , i grand plan document yaqala ukuvela ngo 1979, mina ngangilapha e uk ku exile njalo ngihlala endlini kababa uLot senda.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, this means you have no idea of what you are talking about. We do not need a degree logical science knowledge to derive that your progression of invalid facts emanates from lack of knowledge of the present situation in Zimbabwe.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
As an exiled political movement Zapu had some offices in Golders green in london, we did analyse that document ... the grand plan document had all the hallmarks of our arch enemy the special branch.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Invalid conclusion again! This is evidence that you obviously did not make exhaustive investigations on the origination of the grand-plan document. Based on your alignment to the tshabi extraction which seems to have hypnotised your ilks, that information could easily be shrouded from your reach, or rather encrypted beyond your comprehension. Funny!

I think you are one of those people that believe obsolete M.gaxa's statements that whites are still opressing blacks in Zimbabwe, hiding the clear fact that the tshabi spawns are indeed our enemies. It is very clear that you have never had an update on what is happening in Zim, and still confined to the ancient times.

You have nation-distructive opinions, which resort to capitulation and easily susceptible to deceit. Your dependency syndrome to the breadcrumbs and gundwani fur of the tshabi meals has obliterated your urge for our Mthwakazi nation.

What i gather from your posting is that, you are an example of a person that has not done anything for Mthwakazi and want to prescribe unworkable solutions which will put our nation into a self-distructive mode.

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#3016 - 01/18/06 11:08 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Spade omnyama Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 09/26/04
Posts: 78
Loc: New Zealand
Zama, Mbilaka.Yikho ukuba ngumuntu khonokho.Umango wamamayila ayinkulungwane uqala ngebatha elilodwa.

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#3017 - 01/20/06 10:23 PM Re: HAVE U DONE ANYTHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR ISIGABENI SAKINI
Jericho Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 23
Loc: INDIANA.USA
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">QB] ngidabuka koHadebe ngendele koMpangazitha umsunu osempankeni, umqwayi ongela qhubu. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uyiwo mgempela hk hk hk hk k!!!!!!!

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