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#29560 - 02/20/06 09:12 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Gay'gusu Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/21/05
Posts: 79
Loc: Emagiswini Esilalatshani
Mahlabay'thwale

I honesty I haje just read your ealier response to the questions raised about Jesus race, I rate your answer as the best that the question or query could get.

Iyatshaye eKhandake baba.

Ucacile ke lapho, plus your ethical response as to say you can not argue against the same bible upon which you derive the reasons for your very own existance. from which you justify bieng on earth and alive. I absolutely love such bodly, realistic, focused and unrelentingly frank aproach to life and its problems.

Ngitshaya ihlambe <img border="0" alt="[yay]" title="" src="graemlins/yay.gif" />

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#29561 - 02/21/06 01:25 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
originally posted by makhey1
Biblical scholars agree that the Exodus occurred in the 13th century B. C. During this period the people that left Ancient Egypt in the Exodus were not Jews or Hebrews. They became Jews and Hebrews in Europe in the 2nd century B. C. almost eleven hundred years after they had left Ancient Egypt into the exodus. According to the claims of the Jewish scholars, their priest wrote the biblical documents long before the 2nd century, and that was long before their people went to Europe to become Jews and Hebrews

landoda kanguzwa kuhle uthi wena amajuda aqala nini ukuba ngama juda aqanjwa ngubani uthi wena amaeoropeans yiwo awetha amajuda ubujuda nge 2nd century BC ngoba befuna ukusincindezela ,uhitler owabulala amajuda waphosa wabaqeda e europe yena uyini ? waye sithi ungonsundu yini kulesisenzo sakhe ngicela uyilande kuhle imbali yakho utsho ukuthi ukuthatha kuliphi ukuthi abelungu bathi uJesu ogomsundu befuna ukuzenza ngcono kulathi , sinje thina sizenza ngcono kulezinye izizwe kuqondile lokhu ngoba we have to believe in ourselves and our values , labetshabi basincindezela nje bathi bangcono kulathi , ama real pure breed white aka hitler bangama europeans so bibaphi labo abaqamba ubujuda bamajuda babususa ebantwini abamnyama, uyazi na ukuthi uHagar ibond maid kaAbraham wazala uIshmael lapho uSarah esezama ukufast tracker isithembiso sikaThixo uHagar lo wayengu mgibhithe umuntu omnyama yikho okwadabuka khona ama arabs ,like i said im my last article blacks are an integral part of the bible , uMoses wabaleka yakhuliswa ngabantu abamnyama wathatha khona lapho futhi njalo esebusa amajuda besenkangala uyisezala ongumuntu omnyama siyambona efundisa uMoses ukubusa , put trusted men in chargr of 10s omunye in charge of 50 , 100, 200 , like that, as black peolpe white supremist can twist what ever they want but we are part of the blible yithi esagcina UMoses yithi esagcina uJesu uqobolwakhe "out of egypt i have called my son " uJesu wabalekela uHerod wazokondliwa ngabantu abamnyaba e egypt,i also said in my last post that uJoseph of his coat of many colours watha an egyptian a black woman ,wazala 2 sons who Jacob adopted as his and blessed them add the 2 sons of Joseph less Levi the priest you will see that umuntu omnyama wazala 2 tribes in israel, and they got land like all of Jacob's sons , so i say to you if you are a black man and anyman so disciminates against you akusikho kukaThixo ngokwalowo muntu kumbe likhiwa kumbe li yellow or brown

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#29562 - 02/21/06 01:56 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
khangelani ke lapha madoda uJethro longumuntu omnyama efundisa uMoses ukubusa ,
Exd 18:1 When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, [and] that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;
Exd 18:2 Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back,
Exd 18:3 And her two sons; of which the name of the one [was] Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:
Exd 18:4 And the name of the other [was] Eliezer; for the God of my father, [said he, was] mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh:
Exd 18:5 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God:
Exd 18:6 And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.
Exd 18:7 And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of [their] welfare; and they came into the tent.
Exd 18:8 And Moses told his father in law all that the LORD had done unto Pharaoh and to the Egyptians for Israel's sake, [and] all the travail that had come upon them by the way, and [how] the LORD delivered them.
Exd 18:9 And Jethro rejoiced for all the goodness which the LORD had done to Israel, whom he had delivered out of the hand of the Egyptians.
Exd 18:10 And Jethro said, Blessed [be] the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.
Exd 18:11 Now I know that the LORD [is] greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly [he was] above them.
Exd 18:12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.
Exd 18:13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
Exd 18:14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What [is] this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
Exd 18:15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exd 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make [them] know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exd 18:17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest [is] not good.
Exd 18:18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that [is] with thee: for this thing [is] too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
Exd 18:19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
Exd 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
Exd 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place [such] over them, [to be] rulers of thousands, [and] rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
Exd 18:22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, [that] every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear [the burden] with thee.
Exd 18:23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee [so], then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Exd 18:24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
Exd 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
Exd 18:26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.
Exd 18:27 And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

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#29563 - 02/21/06 01:57 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
khangelani ke lapha madoda uJethro longumuntu omnyama efundisa uMoses ukubusa ,
Exd 18:1 When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, [and] that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;
Exd 18:2 Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back,
Exd 18:3 And her two sons; of which the name of the one [was] Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:
Exd 18:4 And the name of the other [was] Eliezer; for the God of my father, [said he, was] mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh:
Exd 18:5 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God:
Exd 18:6 And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.
Exd 18:7 And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of [their] welfare; and they came into the tent.
Exd 18:8 And Moses told his father in law all that the LORD had done unto Pharaoh and to the Egyptians for Israel's sake, [and] all the travail that had come upon them by the way, and [how] the LORD delivered them.
Exd 18:9 And Jethro rejoiced for all the goodness which the LORD had done to Israel, whom he had delivered out of the hand of the Egyptians.
Exd 18:10 And Jethro said, Blessed [be] the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.
Exd 18:11 Now I know that the LORD [is] greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly [he was] above them.
Exd 18:12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.
Exd 18:13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
Exd 18:14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What [is] this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
Exd 18:15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exd 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make [them] know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exd 18:17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest [is] not good.
Exd 18:18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that [is] with thee: for this thing [is] too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
Exd 18:19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
Exd 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
Exd 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place [such] over them, [to be] rulers of thousands, [and] rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
Exd 18:22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, [that] every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear [the burden] with thee.
Exd 18:23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee [so], then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Exd 18:24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
Exd 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
Exd 18:26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.
Exd 18:27 And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

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#29564 - 02/22/06 05:31 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
Ndunankulu
****

Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 671
Loc: Emlindini Wesambane
makheyi1

Nankoke baba amavesi lapha owaphiwa ngumatshetshe baba.kakutsho something ngizwe ngoba baba hayi indaba yakho eyokuphikisana lombhalongcwele ngamastatistics elotshwe kuExodus ngangani kangiyizwisinga kakahle.

Woza utsho mfowethu ngizwe,Ngiyabonga.

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#29565 - 03/10/06 09:03 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Zwangendaba Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Mina ngibana angani THE DIFFERENCE IS THE SAME between Islam and Christianity.

They both are busy trying to convert people instead of worshiping the creator. They both use force and the strategy of fear to convey their MESSEGE.

They both regard those who do not share their IDEAS as unpure, a blow to the very fact of creation because they are telling us that the Creator had no plan at the BEGINNING as it is them who now speak for the creator and correcting his mistakes.

Ngumbono wami bafowethu.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#29566 - 03/13/06 11:50 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
MaGae Offline
Sikhulu
*****

Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 291
Loc: ngungumbane
mmmmmmhhhhhhhh ngivumelana loSiphepheli intalesistingi sibili mmmmmmmhhhhhhhh

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#29567 - 03/14/06 02:23 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Moyo Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/17/03
Posts: 31
Indaba yenkolo izima kakhulu, ikakhulu ngohlangothini lwethu isizwe esimnyama. Balutshwana kakhulu abantu abamnyama abaziqhenya ngamasiko abo. Islam or Christianity angiboni ukuthi umuntu omnyama engasithola isixazululo. Ngibona nje esingakwenza yikuthi sizinike isikhathi njenga m'Afrika amnyama silungise okungo kwethu ngitsho phela amasiko ethu.
One of mine friend once told me that Bible is the novel of confusion, ngahlala phansi ngacabangisisa ngabona ukuthi ngempela wayeqinisile. Ngani? Ngoba iBhayibheli lixhasa zonke izenzo, okubi lokuhle.
It's a pity because today there are black brothers and sister who believe that they understand the Bible and Coran (sp) more than the christians and moslems, I mean those fair skined brothers from the other continent(s) who imported these kinds of religions.
Debating on which is better between the two kufana lotshaya indlovu ngempama. Munt 'omnyama ziqhenye ngamasiko akho.

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#29568 - 03/14/06 02:30 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Moyo Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/17/03
Posts: 31
Otherwise ukube uJesus waphila ngensuku zalamuhla uNelson Mandela was even going to be a way ahead in popularity than him. Mandela never cracked a whip in parliamentbut Jesus did. This is the other element of violence in christianity.

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#29569 - 03/14/06 07:30 PM Re: Christianity Vs Islam
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
Ndunankulu
****

Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 671
Loc: Emlindini Wesambane
moyo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">posted by moyo
Otherwise ukube uJesus waphila ngensuku zalamuhla uNelson Mandela was even going to be a way ahead in popularity than him. Mandela never cracked a whip in parliament but Jesus did. This is the other element of violence in christianity </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First of all i dont think you understand what you said has not even ONE element of trueth,popularity??when was Jesus born and when did he die?,are you telling me that after two thousand and six years from now Madiba would be as popular as Jesus is now,not only to us Africans and south africans but to the world,which parliament did Jesus crack a whip?Though you might not believe in Jesus or christianity,comparing Jesus and Madiba is just blasphemus that even Madiba himself will not be pleased with,this is the sort of disrespect to other people's religion i was talking about in the first place.

moyo,amazwi akho mina njengomkhristu umm angiwaginyanga kahle sbili.

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