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#31680 - 06/20/06 12:00 PM
ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
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mthwakazi omuhle kukhanya kuhlelo lokufundisa abantwabenu is tshabi soluku advanced stage lithini ngale indaba kukhanya isizaba compulsory ishona izikolo zonko zezweni lethu lomthwakazi lawe uphakathi ukuqiniseka kwalindaba kangikakutholi kuhle kodwa kukhanya loluyana hlelo luka 1979 solungena kuma final stages lithini bantwana be nkosi sife sithule yini?
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#31682 - 06/20/06 01:25 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
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angazi njengoba ngitshilo ukuthi udletshana lwakhona it can be in paper lokuthi isindebele sifundiswe ilizwe lonke but mangaki amatitshala atrined to teach sindele and kuthiwa it will be at primary level grade one
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#31683 - 06/20/06 06:02 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 01/31/04
Posts: 36
Loc: Zimbabwe
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Why as Mthwakazi can we not make this last straw. If this policy doesnt trigger us to do 'something' to show that we are apart from these people, that will be the end of Mthwakazi as we know it - within a few years. A few days ago the Sowetho uprising was being celebrated. ISowetho uprising changed the course of history e RSA and was about abuntu abamnyama refusing to be taught in the oppressor's language - Afrikaans. Thina sizavuma yini to be taught in the oppressor's language - Shona?
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#31685 - 06/21/06 09:31 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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Akusikho kufundiswa isiShona kuphela,bazazama lokuli ntshintha amabizo lezibongo.e.g.uMabila will be Mavira. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />
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#31686 - 06/21/06 01:00 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
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sikhuluma nje abetshabi bayacunuka ungala ukukhuluma labo ngesi tshabi ,bakholwa ukuthi akula muntu ongazi isitshabi emaroadblock, hospital ugogo egula uyachasisa ngesishona kumanurse ,emabhanga so wena uthi sivume singavuma sesilobile ke ngoba lama interview emsebenzini azenziwa ngaso its a disaster i cannot even imagine it but its about to happen
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#31687 - 06/21/06 02:14 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
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After Franco's death in 1975, the authoritarian regime transformed into democratic government with King Juan Carlos as head of state. transformed into democratic government with King Juan After Franco's death in 1975, the authoritarian regime transformed into democratic government with King Juan Carlos as head of state. After Franco's death in 1975, the authoritarian regime transformed into democratic government with King Juan Carlos as head of state. Carlos as head of state.
The constitution of 1978 enshrines respect for linguistic and cultural diversity within a united Spain. The country is divided into 17 regions which all have their own directly elected authorities.
Seville's striking and monumental Plaza de Espana The level of autonomy afforded to each region is far from uniform. For example, Catalonia, the Basque Country and Galicia have special status with their own language and other rights. Andalucia, Navarre, Valencia and the Canaries in turn have more extensive powers than some other regions. Asturias and Aragon have taken steps to consolidate language rights.
In June 2006 a Catalan referendum backed by the central government gave the region greater autonomy. The Catalans won nation status within Spain and the region's parliament gained extra powers in taxation and judicial matters. The country's regional picture is a complex and evolving one
is it possible for us to attain such autonomy
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#31691 - 06/22/06 11:44 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 04/08/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Sikombingo
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Uqinisile Ozithembayo mina angiqali ukutshintsha ulimi nxangikhuluma leTshona especially ngingananzelela ukuthi liyambuluza lisithi alizwa isintu. Lapho ngihle ngikhulume inhlamba ngabomu.
I remember one Tshona who had come to my house lafika layala ukukhuluma isintu lisithi kalikwazi ngitsho lo"a" wesiNdebele ngabe ngisiya elounge ngafika ngathi "Makati tiripikire sadza? Kade ngitshifuga kuti rinendlala" Ngisitsho ukuthi "Linjani siliphekele isitshwala yini?" Zinengi inhlamba ezaphuma lapho mzwalokho ngizenzisa futhi. Aliphindanga ukungimbuluzela futhi iTshona lonalelo ngoba mina ngangisizwa ukuthi lithini ngatsho ngalitshela ukuthi ngiyezwa mina isiTshona engingakwaziyo yikusikhuluma kuhle. Just try this with a few ubatshele ngabo nina ngudlu but linanzelele ukuhleka nanku phela kuyabe kuhlekisa, I tell you abaphindi ukukumbuluzela.
Edited by Manyanyatha (06/23/06 06:49 AM)
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#31693 - 06/27/06 09:48 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 06/25/06
Posts: 2
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Bantwana bakaMthwakazi, singabavumeli abantu laba befundisa isiTshabi kwelikaMthwakazi. KuleParty entsha yaseMatabeleland ethiwa I PATRIOTIC UNION OF MATABELELAND(PUMA). IParty leyi ithembisa ukulwa izinto ezinjengalezi. Asincedisaneni lale iPUMA sizame ukubalwisa lababantukazana.
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#31694 - 06/28/06 04:00 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Nduna
Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 304
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In practical terms what can we as Mthwakazians do to stop a Zanu PF engineered tribalistic policy?Do we have a coordinated strategy,organ or mouthpiece to channel our objection.Or as usual sophelela khonapha enkundleni?
Bangaphi abafana oSinathamahewu labo Nomakanjani esacina sithembisane ukuthi sifuna uku-former ama-organisations even at Burial Society level last year.And ngiyasizwela isizwe sakithi.
Abantwana bamakhosi,abantwana bezinyoni asebetshayana ngamakhanda bazihlome ethangweni besesaba opasi.Yini Mthwakazi lo eselisesaba lezithunzi?
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#31695 - 06/29/06 08:30 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 06/28/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Egoli
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Izinto ezinje yizo ezabangale i June 16 massacre , isizatho sokufindisa abantwana ulimi abangalukhulumi ngekhaya yini.Sona vele ishona siyahlupha even lapha emzansi sithwele nzima ngaso sikhulunywa yonke indawo ngephimbo eliphakeme , asisoze sibe yi official llanguage bangaze bathini ;Can we ever use Shona as an official Language? The interpreter had a torrid time: It is standing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It has stopped <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It is stationery <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It is erect <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It is waiting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It has paused <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It is upright <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It is motionless <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />akamira It halted <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />amira Shona should never be an official language!
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked1.gif" alt="" />
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#31696 - 06/29/06 09:24 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 06/28/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Egoli
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Into le kungathi yaqala kudala ngoba mina by the time ngisuka esiGodlweni amatitsha amanengi bekuvele sekungama tshabi. Bengithi nxa ngibheka amabhuku abazukulu ngibone isindebele abasifundayo sehluke kakhulu lesethu. Already sebe gcwele eMaNdebeleland , already abantwabethu sebefunda isiNdebele esi fileyo, esilabo r labo h kwezinye indawo , Qina mthwakazi emakhaya lifundise abantwana ulimi oluqondileyo ngoba ezikolo kumoshakele , Lezi izinyoka ziqonde ukusitshabalalisa!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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#34872 - 09/22/07 03:31 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: lungani]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
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Mina ngibona sengathi akulunganga ukwala ukufunda ulimi lwabanye abantu.Nxa uvele ukhulele koMthwakazi uzananzelela ukuthi ukhula uvele ujwayezwa ukufunda indimi zabanye abantu. Yikho uzathola abantu bakoMthwakazi befunda indimi zababnye abantu lula.
Mina ngikhulele phakathi KwamaVenda, amaSotho kanye lamakhalanga. Angiyona ingcitshi kundimi zabo kodwa nxa bekhuluma ngeke banginyeya kangako.Kuthe ngokuya kwesikhathi lesiShona ngacina sengisizwa. Okuqakathekileyo yikuzazi wena qobo lwakho. Ukwazi indimi ezinengi kukusiza uma uthe wabhekana lezitha ikakhulu zona ezingamashona.
Thina uma sifuna ukuyilwa lempi akumelanga sithi isishona singafundiswa abantwabethu. Kumele silwe sisithi thina [u]Isindebele Kasifundiswe ilizwe lonke[/u]. Amashona kumele asifunde ISindebele ukuze atshiyane lengqondo abazifakwa yiShona supremacy ye 1979 declaration.
Lokhu singakufeza ngokubonana labameli bePhalamende KuZANU kanye le MDC. Lento yenziwe ibe ngumthetho. Wonke la amabandla ezombusazwe ayadidizela edinga i Support kwelamaNdebele njalo lesi sicelo angeke basale ngoba singabaxabanisa bodwa.
Kusenjalo nje hatshi ngiyakuzwisisa ukuthi kungani lokhu kucaphula uMthwakazi.Isikhalazo sethu kuzamele sisifake ngendlela ekhaliphileyo kakhulu.
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#34880 - 09/23/07 05:30 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: mathimula]
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Mathimula. Ungananzelela, amaShona abafuni lakuzwa kuthiwa isindebele kasifundiswe kibo. Uyakhumbula ubaba loya be Nzarayapenga, hk hk hk sorry we Nzayayebane okuthiwa wephula umntwana ingalo ngoba umntwana ethe "Tshilamoya". That is what you should expect from those people. I have lived in Salisbury, and many times I encountered "HANDIZWI NDEVERE INI". I cant hear SiNdebele.
One day we teased with some friend of mine and spoke to about five people randomly in Salisbury using Ahmaric, an Ethiopian Language, in which "DEGNASTILING" greatings to you, or simply means how are you. All the five responses were, "HANDIZWI TSHINDEVERE INI". Then we picked a closer language, Nyanja which is spoken across the border in Zambia and pretty much on ZBC and some streets in Salisbury. We randomly picked another 5 people and said, "MULIBWANJI". Three of those 5 answered, "HANDIZWI TSHINDEVERE INI". This is an experience I had in Salisbury. These people were not under any duress. It was natural for them that NDEVERE is like any other foreign language BUT IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD OBJECT TO FIRST, if you are a Shona.
If my children want to learn Shona, it is their choice. But I WILL NOT RECOMMEND IT. IT IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL NOR COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE, so there is no benefit in it except bringing BAD MEMORIES in which our elders were ordered around by ZANU youth in Shona, "IWE MANYA", which translates to, "YOU (singular - agaist IMI {YOU} plural used for adults to show respect) RUN as it was custommary for our elders to be run to ZANU rallies some as far from the villages as 5 miles. These ZANU Shona boys would be holding switches and beating the elders to run even as their frailing bones gave in.
LET THEM LEARN THEIR LANGUAGE IN THEIR COUNTRY, AND LET MTHWAKAZI TEACH ITS OWN LANGUAGES IN MTHWAKAZI COUNTRY.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#34881 - 09/23/07 08:32 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: Zwangendaba]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 04/28/03
Posts: 132
Loc: canada
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Nxa umuntu ekukhulumisa ngesiShona, Mphendule ngesiNdebele. Yiwo umuthi omkhulu.
Uma engathi kezwa isiNdebele lawe uyamtshela ukuthi awukhulumiiSiShona.
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#35232 - 11/05/07 07:52 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: lungani]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 129
Loc: emaguswini
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mina lo ngatshelwa litshabi emehlweni ukuthi lona leli itshabi ngeke lisifunde isiNdebele ngoba kaliluboni usizo lwakhona.
there you have it!! abakade befuna ukwazi
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#35278 - 11/14/07 11:02 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 11/07/07
Posts: 7
Loc: Mthwakazi
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Kondwa mandoda yakithi kuzima.
Kukhona isikolo esise Mandebeleni esile majority Shona students. Manxa kunjalo, lithini if abatwana befunda ngesi Shona? Ngaloyo ndlela, alukho udubo. Umtwana ufanele afundiswe ngesi hlobo sika mama wakhe.
Ake litsho phela.
Mina angilu boni udubo.
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#35353 - 11/22/07 06:35 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: lungani]
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 66
Loc: uk
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Kahlekahle opasi babecabanga ukuthi izinto zizahlala zibalungele yikho babebona singekho isidingo sokuthi bafunde isiNdebele.Kusenjalo nje lathi kasisifundanga ngokuthanda leso siTshabi senziwa ngumumo. Ngenxa yokuguquka kwezinto le paranoia yeZanu thina sile advantage ngoba siyabezwa inengi labo kabasizwa. Lanxa uMgabe esethuma izinja zakhe ukuthi ziyecupha kuhlangothi lwakithi soku backfire ngoba phela zonke zithi`andinzwi chindebere`. Lapha kabenzeli thina ifavour no,bafuna ukufunda kahle isiNdebele ngoba thina vele isiTshabi kasisidingi ngitsho.
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#35375 - 11/26/07 09:12 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: matshetshe]
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 2
Loc: south africa
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okungama shona lokhu sokwasingena mbijanambijana nje nge mpetu
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#36148 - 02/16/08 10:37 AM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 01/21/08
Posts: 49
Loc: south africa
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ngidobhe enye yezingxoxo zakudala. just an update bakwethu.
ISISHONA SESIFUNDISWA KOMTHWAKAZI. AKUSELA MATITSHA ESINDEBELENI. ISIZATHO, INTSHA KAMTHWAKAZI YAKWENZA UMKHUBA UKUQEDA I-O'LEVEL IQONDE EGOLI. SENYANYA UKUZALA SAZE SABIZA AMATSHONA O-GORE MWANA. UBUPHUKUPHUKU BETHU OBUNGANANI.
UMBUZO, SENZANI NGALOKHU ESIBHEKANE LAKHO??
NGICELA IMPENDULO MAHLABEZULU. MASEKELE UKUDLALELA KU-NET SISANDISA AMAGAMA KUNGELA ZENZO!!!!
Izenzo - kungemazwi : Mzingwane High.
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#36151 - 02/16/08 12:39 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: mphakathi]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 11/07/01
Posts: 147
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Sithi futhi ukuthanda ukunika abantwabethu amabizo wesilungu, arghh mani! Mina i give Mthwakazi lands 15 years from manje, to push back the tshabi tide that is fast drowning us otherwise siphelile thina.
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#36152 - 02/16/08 01:39 PM
Re: ukufundiswa isiShona ko Mthwakazi
[Re: mphakathi]
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 02/15/08
Posts: 1
Loc: south africa
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bafowethu linga ma gwala ligcina ngoku khuluma kuze ngcono thina esisegoli thina kuyazi lokhu okungo-donki ukuthi asikufuni size siya tshela 99 ukuthi asikugcwali
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