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#31910 - 07/19/06 11:47 AM Uthini uThixo
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Registered: 05/15/06
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Phose sonke enkundleni siyavumalani ukuthi itshabi yisitha. Pho ke njengoba uThixo esithi thanda isitha sakho sithini ngale nzondo esilayo towards them? Is it Biblically accepted? God says hatred is the same as murder. Lithini bafowethu?
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#31911 - 07/19/06 01:18 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Ngizazama ukukweluleka kulolu daba, kuthi lapho enginga gcwalisile, abanye bami bazakwengeza.

Okokuqala kumele unanzelele ukuthi inzondo ayiqondani lomuntu obizwa tshabi kodwa izenzo lowetshabi.

Lapha ngitsho ukuthi, ukuthethe ngendlela angabalulekile ukuthi uMthwakazi uzonda itshabi. Itshabi likwenze kwaba nzima ukuthi okaMthwakazi aphile impilo ekhululekileyo njalo elamathuba alingeneyo lawetshabi. Inhloso yokuncindezela inzalo kaMthwakazi, yiyonto esilwalayo.

Ungaqala uphenyo lokuthi amathuba emfundo, imisebenzi lezikhundla eziphezulu zitholwa ngobani, uzathola ukuthi ngowetshabi. Akudingeki ukuthi ube ngumuntu ololwazi olujulileyo kwezophenyo, kusobala ukuthi umnotho welizwe uhlose iqembu linye phakathi kwezwe lezimbagwe - owetshabi.
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#31912 - 07/19/06 01:49 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Ibhayibhili liyacaca nge zenzo ezimbi, njalo licacile ngo Sathane.

USathane uziveza ngendlela ezitshiyeneyo emhlabeni lase bantwini.

Ngakho konke okusi khahlamezayo yimisebenzi kaSathane. Kumele senze lokho esikufundiswayo ebhayibhilini, nxa kuyikuthi sikholwa kilo, nxa sibhekane lezenzo ezimbi!


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#31913 - 07/19/06 02:03 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Registered: 12/16/01
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Loc: Nkulumane,koNtuthuziya thunqa
awuzondi tshabi kodwa uzonda isenzo setshabi

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#31914 - 07/19/06 10:31 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Qiniso Qiniso even the bible acknowlegdes these kind of battles. There is a scripture that says umntanenyoka yinyoka.
Lapha silwa labo Mbuyanehanda ngokwabo imimoya yabo.
Read Ephesians 6 from vrs 12.
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#31915 - 07/20/06 08:12 AM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Mthwakazi is not at war with any nation/tribe on the grounds of their nationality. UMthwakazi ukhala ngenkululeko lamalungelo akhe and it so happens ukuthi lokhu sikwemukwe ngabetshabi. Yikho nje beyizitha zethu.

UThixo uthi if you hate yo "brother" you are a murderer, & mina I don't regard these pple as Mthwakazi brothers.
And try njalo to observe God's dealings with those at enemity with him, How many nations were fought and defeated by the Isralites bethunganyelwa nguThixo? How much blood was shed khonapho, Lelo gazi lalingesi labantu created by the same God? So what made the difference? The difference was that they were not "brothers" but enemies kuba Israeli.

As a matter of interest, what would you call those wars nge language yalamuhla (religious, political, economical, friendly matches for the fun of it) Mina ngizibona lezizimpi zaziyi political wars, and all they didn't want was to be in any way subject to any other nation, in any way. So who ever was a threat kumalungelo abantu bako Israeli wayeyisitha, ezondwa and ebulawa (not killed but butchered or slaughtered). Kunjaloke thina we are not after oppressing anyone nor eliminating them from the face of the earth, but they are our oppressors and we want freedom from that. We want to eliminate them from our lives ngoba abaphileki labo. Kufana lomuntu obhanta ibhulugwe ngenyoka ezitshela ukuthi both of us are God's creatures.

KABAHAMBE KHATSHANA NX.., WE SHUD NOT EVEN SIT DOWN TO CONSIDER WHY WE HATE THEM, ITS TOO OBVIOUS TO THOSE WITH EYES. AND PERSONALLY I WOULD NOT WANT TO DILUTE IT AND SAY NGIZONDA IZENZO ZABO KUPHELA, AKULA NEED YOKUBA POLITE, NO NGIZONDA BONA AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. NGEKE UTHANDE ISIHLAHLA KODWA UZONDE AMAHLAMVU ASO. USUKHONJIWE YINI KHONANGALE NQOBA?
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#31916 - 07/21/06 08:59 AM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Registered: 05/15/06
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Loc: emabhonobono
Ungangesabeli Gasela, Noma senginqantshabele kanjani ngeke ngitshudulane lenyamazana. Bengibheka nje njalo ngihlaziya from a christian point of view.
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#31917 - 07/26/06 02:02 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Registered: 01/11/06
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Loc: Ebunandini
Khona ukuzonda okungelanqondo akusizi muntu kodwa kuyehlisa isithunzi salowo olenzondo.

Kulalabo abangothathawese imota zabasemzini abalandela loba yini abayizwayo esithi bahugwa yi mob-psychology. eg uMr X engathi uMr F akalungile , uMr Y lo Z sebengenela labo ngenhlamba bacine bethi akatshaywe....angithi kuvuka impi enkulu .

Nxa uMfo lo otshayiweyo engaswelakala abakubo benze imikhuba yabo, labo thathekile angithi bacina bengenwa luzimu olukade lungeke lwabangena uma nga bebekwaki ukuzibamba.

This goes on and on kucine kwandile. Inzondo ilidimoni kayilungile loba nje singabe singangenelani labo abetshabi let us guard against inflamatory behaviour engeke isisendawo njengesizwe.

Suppose this nation becomes independent as is the wishes of many, how welcoming will it be to izethekeli lama immigrants. I wouldn't want to hear my fellow brothers and sisters addressing eminye imihlobo ngamagama azinhlamba kubo.

Still on the similar subject but on a different note: Let us not become like the English or say the British who are good at using inflamatory and degrading words when dealing with abantu basemzini, at times I think this country is worse than Germany during the 40s, it is a wolf disguised as a sheep.

What kind of a Government will instruct their citizens to do such when infact they are well aware ukuba this country is institutionaly Racist.
We have members of BNP within our communities, this is like a Christmas Gift for them from the government. Wheather one is legal or what ever these pple will be knocking on every foreigner's door with an excuse yokuthi kule report ebekiweyo...let us not be fooled ngama Visa esilawo, one way or the other omunye wazi omunye izinto zakhe ezingakalungi.

Today as I write Germany, Italy and France are granting pple amnesty but they are potrayed as Racists.

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#31918 - 07/27/06 09:24 AM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Registered: 09/16/05
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bantu abahle indaba elethwa ngulu jaha its real and alive asincedisaneni kwezinye izinto ezi practical nxakulomunye ofuna uncedo simcede objectively ukuze as a poeple siyephambili sonke kungabi labanye abasalela emuva kumbe abangazwisisiyo our vision we are a society and within us are poeple of various religios beliefs , so the poster of this topic desires to be given a biblical justification of hating abetshabi or his question if i get him right is kuqondile yini emehlweni kaThixo ukuzonda abetshabi , mina ngithi akuqondanga uThixo uluthandando njalo His desire is that we all love one another ,but alas akwenzakali njengokufisa kwakhe ,remember that we have our own brothers who are pastors abanye they maybe part of this forum , badinga sibancede ukuthi batshumayele uthando kodwa benanzelela ukuthi ukuncindezela omunye umuntu laye othandwa nguThixo akulunganga futhi benzeni ke nxa owesitshabi esindiswa esiza kuThixo , phela itrabalism ibhahile lemabandleni , i know of churches in byo who recruit abatshabi to come and pastor churches kobulawayo , recently a ndebele was seconded to take over ku bishop chakaipa weroma abetshabi tried to block the move, he is from hwange parish , so as we forge ahead to consolidate our mthwakazi lets be wise and practical , blanket statemants like wena ungumzalwane thanda amashona are common lapha ekhaya and before you know all christians will embrace them in foolishness ,my scriptural contribution to this goes like this amajuda adatshulwa ngamadoda angu 12 called the twelve tribes of israel ,moses after being taught how to gorven by his babazala who i beleive was ndebele asked them ukuthi bazikhethele kumdeni wabo owabo abamthembayo oqotho phambikuka Thixo aba khokhele or judge them as they called it he put them in charge of tens. fifties kusiya njalo kukhula yena abesethetha amacala amakhulu njengayo inkosi yohlanga umzilikazi lezinduna labalisa labosobhuku lapha kwelakithi all tribes were represented fairly ,kuzothike ku new testament kuActs during the days of the early church when the gentils as the shonas can call us now were disciminated their widows babencitshwa ukudla ngama food distributors esihebheru ,kwabalokuxokozela ,esikwenzayo thina linanzelele ukuthi kwakuxokozelwa ebandleni people saved speaking in tounges filled with the Holy Spirit beqila abafelokazi besi greek etc be feva amakibo ogogo besihebheru ,so what more abantu nje abangamkhonziyo uThixo ,what more umtshabi kuvele kuhlala kule drought komthwakazi what more ama satanist ngokwawo abadla igazi labantu they just butcher as they did nge gukurahundi so what did they do ku early church they looked for man filled with the Holy Spirit from those tribes that were represented in that particular congregation so that they could take of the needs of their own people in socio -economis issues , so madoda yazini ukuthi kusembalweni ukuthi amalungelo ethu yithi kuphela esingawa mela even scripture recorded that tribal discrimination is there even among christians so our challenge how to stop so lets hate the dicrimination with all the passion ku Acts akuzange kuthiwe let the gentil widows pray about it a misconcption that people teach they complained and a solution was found

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#31919 - 07/31/06 02:01 PM Re: Uthini uThixo
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Matshetshe: Uthinta izinto ezithile kodwa akucaci ukuthi unga uthini in terms of what our stance should be as Mthwakazi. Uba uThixo eluthando njalo ekhangelele ukuthi siwathande aMatshona how do we exercise ilungelo lethu lokuzibusa ngoba politically it is not easy to set your self free without i-determination which includes willingness to fight and to kill in the process.

Gaselomhle
Hatshi angikhonjiwe, ngibuza nje genuinely ngoba honestly speaking kimi kusuke kugwenxane ukuthi umuntu aqakathekise ubuthwakazi ngesikhathi esifananayo ezithi ungumkrestu. Yikho nje uZwangendaba esithi makrestu limbaxambili. Ubuthwakazi lesikrestu somehow are not compatible. No offense intended bakwethu kodwa ke kuhluzeni lizakubona. But mina ngithi once you choose to be a chrtian, if you are to be consitent wohle uphume ekuthini unguMthwakazi ngoba it does not work, and nxa unguMthwakazi stick to the Mthwakazi religion or at list be a man of no religious values. Uba ungenzanga njalo uzaba ngumbaxa mbili. Somewhere utshilo futhi uzwangendaba ukuthi amakrestu most likely akholwa because they grew up in it and they feel like it is a taboo ukutshiyana lakho but at the end of the day they will not be able to justify into abazikholwayo. NB: I am a person who was born and bred in christianity, kodwa manje sengithunguluka, I am trying to evaluate whatever I am doing to just confirm if there is any just cause yokuqhubeka ngakho now that I am a bit independant, so yikho nje ngilemibuzo enje.
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