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#34956 - 09/28/07 03:07 PM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. ***** [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
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Mqabuleshesha. Angazi noma uyaqabula okanye wenzani. Kwazi wena.


Kissherquick hk hk lol, it is nice to joke sometimes, Muntu has his lighter side as well.



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Truth is, Zimbabwe as a geographical entity, is largely populated by Shona speaking peoples.


I fully agree with you here, Shonas are a majority in Zimbabwe, but are they a majority in Mthwakazi?? The answer is no. So who is a majority in Mthwakazi? The answer is MTHWAKAZI. This notion of a majority is a man made facade, it is a system that has kept Mthwakazi under subjugation since 1980 up until this very hour. This notion needs to to be unpacked for everybody to see what it is, an evil entity keeping our people under oppression. Compare this notion with this vile notion of regionalism, when Mthwakazi talk about her problems they are labelled regionalistic or tribalistic, but when Shonas talk about their problems they are termed national issues, even though we know that there are not. This trap has ensared many of our people, they are afraid to talk about their problems in fear of being called petty, tribalists or village politician. Isn't this a great honour, we should be proud of? Any region is a region, Africa is region, Zimbabwe is a region, America is a region, so what are afraid of to be called regionalists?? I am a regionalist and in will die a regionalist, but i am not a tribalist in the sense that i hate other tribes, never, i am unable to hate Shonas, even if i want to.

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That's the unescapable truth. The present constitution of the Republic of Zimbabwe provides for a first-past-the post, winner-takes-all, Westminster style electoral system. There is centralised power with no federal or quasi independent provincial governments under the suzerainty of the Harare administration.

A constitution is just a legal document, even if it is not there countries could still exercise their sovereign rights, e.g. the UK. The current system of government in Zimbabwe is as you describe it, centralised to the core, we all know what has this led to, especially in our case, ostracisation, marginalisation, subjugation etc. It is not the proper form of government, but will it change on its own? The answer is no, a big NO, we need to fight for its change. Can we change this by capitulating or appeasing the enemy through joining either ZANU or MDC, my incling tells me not. We have tried this before, ZAPU joined ZANU but our problems continued, the likes of Ncube, Sibanda, Nyathi joined hands with the likes of Tswangirayi to form MDC but in the end they ended up being called tribalist by Tswangirai and his cohorts. This strategy is none starter any Mthwakazian who still think that way needs the services of a medical doctor.

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As such, under these circumstances, Matebeleland or any other province for that matter, can never be a seperate country from the Republic of Zimbabwe.

This kind of categorically assertion is very unfortunate. Why not? would be the logical question? The truth is the struggle for any Independent state of Mthwakazi will never be easy, especially if we sit and do nothing today. Zimbabwe is at crossroads as we speak now, what have done as Mthwakazians to influence the future?, but to say that Mthwakazi will never be a seperate country is malicious wishful thinking, a state of Mthwakazi shall be and noone can change that. We need to change those circumstances that put us together with people who do not want us to be part of them.

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Any one that harbours the thought of an autonomous Matebeleland is therefore, either a liar or a delusional fool.

I fail to understand you here. What are you really trying to infer? I don't know how to respond to this because you have already called me a liar. I believe in a free state of Mthwakazi and that is all i believe in as far as politics is concerned.

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Under the prevailing circumstances, given the tribal inclination of the political atmosphere in that country, it's virtually impossible that an Ndebele can rule Zimbabwe.


Welshman Ncube made similar observations and George Mkhwananzi castigated him for that, but i think his observation was spot on, and so is yours. Any Mthwakazians who harbours wishes of ever becoming a president of Zimbabwe is playing with his/her time. There are basically two reasons for this, first, the demographics are in favour of Shonas, secondly, Shonas are utter-tribalists, they would not vote an Ndebele into that position, they would rather vote Mugabe again and again into that position.

For descerning Mthwakazians, this very scenario must be a turning point, a life changing realisation or discovery. As a people we deserve life, we deserve power, we deserve to rule, but not rule Shonas, rule ourselves. But this could only be realised in our own independent state.

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The Matebeleland vote holds no veto powers in deciding the presidency & therefore rule of that God forsaken country. Abantu baseMatebeleland can even vote with octopus hands, bavote bephindaphinda, bavuse nabakubo abafile, but okusalayo, their efforts will be in vain. Their numbers are just not enough to defeat uququba lwasebu Shona.


There is no need for this as i have stated above.



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#35008 - 10/05/07 03:54 PM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Muntongenakudla]
ozithembayo Offline
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Kanti Muntongelakudla uhlutshwa yini emoyeni wakho? Senginanzelele ukuthi wonke amapostings akho ayalwa, futhi alwa loMthwakazi. Uyazama ukucunula abantu, uphinde uthethise abaphethe inkundla usithi bayafeva? Kimi kutsho izinto ezimbalwa: Kungabayikuthi ulolutho olulwayo labantu bakwaMthwakazi, engxenye ukhona owakuqalayo, kumbe uliShona elisuke langena lifuna ukudunga. Kweyinye iposting yakho uyathuka ngoba ubizwe nge gama leSindebele. Kuyadanisa ukuthi umuntu nxa elezakhe ayekele ukuzikhathalela abesephongubhuqukeza nje angani linina lesithenjini. Nxa ungubaba, ha ngiyamzwela ohlala laye ngoba ufanele ukubhowa. Nxa ungumama, bathwelenzima abahlala lawe. Akwekele ukwenza iForum ibemunyu. Nxa kukhona okukuphisileyo, hatshi izambuzi zikhona. Sesidakekile ngomsuzo wakho, osuphuma lenhlansi!!!
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#35013 - 10/07/07 03:07 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: ozithembayo]
Gwelutshena Offline
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1
Loc: Canada
Sizwe sakwethu, umuntu ukuthathaphi ukuthi athi ozibani aysimaNdebele. Kanti nxa oSiziba umababenga'simaNdebele utsho ukubana baswela ibizo lesiTshona na? Awu bakwethu, ibala elithi siziba ngelesintwini. Kantike mdabuko sikha'manzi esizibeni, zinatha esizibeni, sibhukutsha esizibeni. Pho sekutheni lamhlanje? In accordance to Tshona culture, all things and people originate in their ancestry. Angakuvumela lokho uzazithola lawe sebeku "claima" njengabo oSiziba labo. Stand firm bro/sista. Know your roots.

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#35014 - 10/08/07 03:06 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Gwelutshena]
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Loc: Chicago,Illinois,USA.
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#35016 - 10/08/07 06:27 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Mafrench]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Bantu boMgodoyi

Ithambo enili bangayo alina nyama nhlobo.

You're too pre-occupied ngokujaha utalagu (chasing a mirage), seeing ghosts that are a figment of your illusory imaginations.

I will continue shocking you with the truth. Lies will get you nowhere, but the truth will set you free. You may insult me, call me names,bleat & moo to your heart's content - that's all water off a duck's back kimina. I'll take you all as you come - one by one ngini shutheke phansi.

Isende lendlela. You must just wake up & choose where you wanna be. If you wanna face the truth, do so now. Globalisation is the only way. Nifunde ukuhlala nezinye izinhlanga ngentokomalo nobubele. If not, then you might as well as continue being omakhala njalo: ye, ye, ye amaShona, kwasha kwacina, uMuntongenakudla this & that, blah, blah - sick & stupid sentiments like that. Ayikho into enofa nayi feza.

Isihlala ndawonye sidl' amasondo aso.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
eMtuba
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uShamase wangempela!
Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
Yangcol' into ngayintshinga - bayicosha abafokazana!
Futheka mnyekefuli.
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#35025 - 10/09/07 04:00 PM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Registered: 09/21/05
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UYAZIGULELA MUNTU. Into engasoke yenzakale yikuthi uMthwakazi atshone echitha isikhathi ezihlupha ngokuwumana kwakho. Kanti omunye ukewakubuza ukuthi udingani lapha lamadelusion of grandeur akho. Sesingafundiswa ngowe ngokuba yithi kwethu. Wena ngiyaphinda nta...uliSwina Qho ngoba ama argument enu ayafanana. Uqambela amazulu amanga nje kuphela. Ngihlezi labo abantu laba bayahlonipha ulimi. Wena engxenye unyoko waphambanisa wakupha isibongo esingasiso Nzarayapenga, yikho sekuvuka okwakini. Mthwakazi, iPsychology ithi yona, "if you attend to maladaptive behaviour iyaqhubeka" but you need to ignore it, and it will cease to happen. Nxa lilokhu libuka uhlanya lolu lugida lunqunu, luzatshakala, lusithi luyabukwa. Kwekeleni, kuzwa lokhu. I rest my case. Ignore this maladaptive behaviour kesizixoxele okwakha uMthwakazi, sikholise njengezolo. Inkundla yanuka bantu ngomuntu angasuwekhaya!!
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#35028 - 10/10/07 05:59 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: ozithembayo]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Ozethembayo

Awuzethembi - uyabheda nje. Ikhanda lakho ligcwele uvolo nje kuphela. Wonke lodoti owubhalayo, yikona ukugula kwakho lokho.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
eMtuba
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uShamase wangempela!
Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
Yangcol' into ngayintshinga - bayicosha abafokazana!
Futheka mnyekefuli.
Ngiwuphula ngamabomu umoya wakho - yilento ekubulalayo!

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#35031 - 10/10/07 08:57 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: ozithembayo]
Skuvethe Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 405
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
Mnu Ozithembayo, kengiku qondise kancane baba. uNkosilathi ngowakithi kwaMthwakazi ngempela, ujike nje waba ngokunye emva koku goduka(late 1990s) kwabanengi besiya eMzansi. Sizo mkhomfema soon.

Kafuni kulalela, linga mnaki uhlongandlebe.

Ibambe, ungay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#35034 - 10/10/07 10:09 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Skuvethe]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Skuvethe

Kazi lolo hlevane olwangena endlini yanga kini kwaNcube ngolunjani? Kusafanele luphezwe ukuze sibuyise ubuntu kwaNcube.

ONcube! Hhayi cha ngeke we madoda.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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uShamase wangempela!
Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
Yangcol' into ngayintshinga - bayicosha abafokazana!
Futheka mnyekefuli.
Ngiwuphula ngamabomu umoya wakho - yilento ekubulalayo!

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#35037 - 10/10/07 10:32 AM Re: Zimbabwe: A Shona State. [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Skuvethe Offline
Nduna

Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 405
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
Nkosilathi, kithi kwaNcube kasikhathali ngalutho - sis'phethe istrategy! Kodwa-ke, vula ikhasi lapho esizophatha ingxoxo ngabakithi ngikutshele yonk' into hayi la kuleli khasi, kalifanele.Stay in focus.

Awusi wakithi wena, unyanisile? Ngizavula ikhasi eliphethe imbali yakho mselufu, hayi kuleli khasi, alifanele. Kunjalo-nje;

Ibambe, ungay'yeki. Zabalaza!

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