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#3577 - 12/22/04 05:12 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Maqhamehlezi

That analogue ka titshala that I gave you was never meant to highlight i level of intelligence of the kids eklasini, but rather the concept yokuthi there is diversity ekuzwisiseni okutshiwoyo. Which brings us back to my point yokuthi "buza nxa ungazwisisanga kumbe ungelaqiniso andubana wenze wrong judgements." Pho nxa uzwile manje ukhalelani kutshengisela ukuthi he has been a good communicator nanku umzwile. Are you arguing for the sake of ukuphikisa nje?

Sengitshaye kwazwela. Umngane wami uthi arrest my case

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#3578 - 12/22/04 08:08 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 12/10/04
Posts: 62
Loc: Wakefiled
Mina ngilohlupho Ntombankala ngabantu laba obaqambayo ukuthi bengakhokhela uMthwakazi. Okwakuqala uNdiweni usekhule kakhulu, sokumele aphumule. Kanti angithi olunye uhlupho olukhulu olukhona yikuthi khathesi we are stuck with geriatrics in Zimbabwean politics, who do not want to retire. Hatshi bakithi sicela ungasibiseli emuva when we want to go forward.

Mabhena is a politically discredited fellow. Uke waba kuhulumende kaMugabe, but always had an attitude that he was not with them. He did not accept responsibility for anything when he was Governor. On many occasions he was heard saying in the press 'they do not bring development to Matabeleland', when he was also part of the system. To me he was simply not man enough njengaboMalunga who were fighting to bring development while part of the system. UMabhena never did anything esimkhumbula ngayo. These are people who failed and they naturally can't be leaders. Uhlupho ngamaxhegu lawa is that they believe that they are naturally ordained to lead people forever. Hatshi bo sesifuna igazi elitsha. They are old and tired failures, nanku njengoba usitsho baqakathekisa ukuthi umuntu uzalwa ngubani etc, okuyizinto ezingasiphathisiyo nje, in reality. Asidingeni abantu abalamandla okulwela abantu, not people who still think that their strength lies in their family lineage. That is old fashioned, and divisive and will not take us anywhere.

Jonathan Moyo would better be advised to go back to academia where he can put his talent to very good use. He is simply put not naturally a leader or a politician either. There is a difference between being a political scientist, and a politician. Politics needs politicians.

Ntombankala you conveniently choose to ignore the many examples of fascist tendencies that Jona has displayed like stamping his brutal authority on the press. I will never forgive him for denying my working class family the only entertainment they had access to, ZTV. He changed a decent station into a nauseating kongonya dance TV with his relentless jingles, and propaganda and it did not stop there. He personally saw to it that the expression of Ndebele sentiment was banned from the airwaves. He demanded that Radio 2 Ndebele programmes be moved from Montrose to Mbare studios, all in the name of Shona nationalism. The result were mediocre Ndebele programmes where the resource persons for the programmes where Ndebele in name only. he banned ukuthi kutshaywe ingoma abantu besiNdebeleni abazikhethele zona, kuhlelo lokubingelelana ngoba esithi Ndebeles think they are South Africans thats why they like South African music. In place of that kwakutshaywa oChimbetu, System Tazvida and all that Kongonya nonsense on his orders. The idea according to him was to re-orient the Ndebele into the national spirit, which is Shona. Sengathi ubuNdebele babulicala nje kuye. Many of you will remember the Shona programme which used to be on TV, called Madzindza eZimbabwe. The Ndebele equivalent, Itshukelwa ebandla, uJona avela afica ikhona was removed from the airwaves, because the feeling was that it will rekindle the spirit of Ndebele nationalism. Jona equates Shona history and culture to Zimbabwean history and culture. Nguyena lumuntu Ntombankala ositshela ukuthi kakhokhele abantu. Uzabakhokhela njani imbali yabo engayazi, ubuzwe babo engabazi, engabuzwisisi ukuthi busuka ngaphi busiya ngaphi?

Who can forget the critique of his original crude AIPPA bill which he personally crafted. I had the benefit of attending Parliament on the day Zvobgo brought sanity on this otherwise loose canon. That Bill if it had been passed in its original form would have been the greatest assault on our liberties, because Moyo wanted unlimited powers to spy on all of us, on all organisations in the country etc. In short he wanted powers which would have rendered a lot of ministries in governemnt useless, since he would have eclipsed all their powers, including those of the president because the intelligence would have reported to him, not the president. For him to actually craft such a crude Bill and table it before Parliament suggests to me that he is politically very naive. One thing is clear he does have despostic tendencies, and I am afraid ngabantu abangabhubhisa isizwe if given power even for six months. Uyazi lwana umuntu is very dangerous. Lingadlali ngomlilo Ntombankala. Uzakuba nguEnos Nkala wesibili, alicobodise lonke. Lizamvotela lina elingazaziyo izono zakhe.

Ntombankala why are you so obsessed with characters who will have a hard time, winning the hearts and minds of Mthwakazi. The best candidate as far as I am concerned ngumuntu ongazange abekuZANU PF. Anyone who has been a ZANU PF member, even through Unity or whatever, is totally discredited as a leader of Mthwakazi, and that includes Jonathan Moyo. Nangempela uqinisile uSiphepheli nxa esithi banengi oMessiah abazavela, besithembisa izulu lomhlaba. Phambilini kuyovela ukuthi bafuna sibe lilele labo abakhwela ngalo ukuze bafinyelele umbuso weZANU. UMabhena aluba kancitshwanga isikhundla kuZANU ngabe ungaphi nje khathesi? Angithi ngabe ukuCabinet kaMugabe.

Ngiyaphinda njalo ukuthi we need someone who is young +35 BUT -50 YEARS OF AGE, well educated, articulate and charismatic. Some might think 35 is too young but when Bill Clinton went to Oxford University to study Law, he alrady had in his mind, the White House. Those fellow Americans around him at the same University knew that right from first year he was grooming himself for the number one job in the US. Look at the young African American senator Patrick Obama. We need fiery and charismatic leaders like that in Mthwakazi.

Mina indaba yokukhokhelwa ngamaxhegu ayingiphathi kahle, ngoba they tend to be very dictatorial and want things to be done their own way, and they are usually ill-educated and therefore not open to reason.

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#3579 - 12/23/04 02:22 AM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Makhosazana

Ngithanda ukukwethulela i beret yami ngombono owufake lapha. Ngihambisana lombono wakho kakhulu.

Ntombankala, ngivumelana lawe sibili ukuthi kumele sisukume sibambane. Kodwa ngizwakwehlukana lawe nxa sekusiza endabeni ka Moyo labadala okhulume ngabo.

I political life ka Jonathi is over kuMthwakazi esiwubumbayo. Loba wenza kuhle khathesi loba wenza kubi, he has not future as a leader kuMthwakazi. Asimthembi lakancane. What are the possibilities zokuthi ngeke enze into efanayo esekithi? Khathesi kuthiwa ubulala iZanu from within - eyibulalela bani? Kakuphumele egcekeni ukuthi usebenzelana lobani. Loba kumbe sizwe amahungahunga lokhu nje ukuthi uhambisana lalo kuMthwakazi. Nxa ama computer elisebenzela, asiwabone sonke esebenza. ukwakhiwa ibhawa kungathiwa yi development at the expense ye sikolo kumbe iclinic? Abantwana abasuka ko Pondo (12 km from eTsholotsho) balokhu behambe umango wonke lo belanda i secondary school? ko Mbamba khonapha (5km from e center)akula grosa kumbe i clinic. Abantu kumele babophe inqola besiyakwelatshwa eTsholotsho. Yi development bani kanti esingayiboniyo? Ama computer ayi 6 aphiwa amapholisa kungathiwa yi development? Sesacindezelwa kakhulu ukuthi sesithatha loba yini and accept it as true gospel. Nxa yena elesifiso sokuthuthukisela uMthwakazi, why engabi le influence ku Mat-Zambezi Water Project? Ukhangele lapho where he will reap ama rewards khona. Yidoti mani lokho. Wehlukene ngaphi le Zanu ethi nxa sekuzafika ukhetho ithumele ukudla kwe drought relief, kuthi kungadlula ivoti sekuthiwa sekukhethwa ukuthi ngubani otholayo njalo kumele abelekhadi leZanu. Olomntwana ose Goli loba e London katholi lokho kudla. Yini khonalokho? Yiyo i development na? Banengi abakaMthwakazi who have made meaningful contributions bengaklabalali ngendlela esiyibona lapha ko Jonathi. Nanguya uKhumalo ubeke imali yakhe eMpopoma Secondary, for example. Usiza umphakathi genuinely.

UMabhena ngisebenze laye okweminyaka (angidrayivanga one day to meet him)esesengu Khansila we Nkayi. I've seen his rise and fall. Ulungile ehleli emsamo. Siyababonga abadala laba bonke sibili ngomsebenzi abawenzayo. We value their contributions kodwa khathesi abadala laba sesibafuna beku backroom bengumthombo to advise. It is high time we had new untainted young blood to take umsebenzi lo further. UMakhosazana uyibeke kuhle le ndaba. That is what is wanted - igazi elitsha elimsulwa. uMthwakazi is blessed with so much expertise and diversity entsheni ekhona. Asithapheni ku expertise esilayo. Inkunzi ikhethwa ematholeni. This is the time ukuthi amathole alama characteristics enkunzi abe identified siwabeke lapha, uhambe umsebenzi.

I don't have the honor yokuzalwa ebuduneni njengawe. Ubabamkhulu was a simple man. My father was a simple man epheka izinkwa ko Dibella (now Haefelis). Am one proud man to come from this lineage ngoba it comes with humility and respect for my heritage and other people. Noone will ever take that away from me.

One last thing engizathanda ukuyibeka kuwe kubesobala yikuthi isizwe yisizwe ngamasiko (culture) I culture is made of so many things and amongst those things kugoqela ulimi, inkolo, ukudla, imvunulo. Omunye umhlabeleli uthi nxa ungela masiko ufana le khabitshi ebantwini. Ulimi ngabantu, abantu lulimi. Nxa uzaluthatha ulimi lula ngesaba lokukucabanga ukuthi khulisa njani isizwe ukukhuluma isilaphalapha. Not everyone will become a soldier, nor a computer engineer, nor a nurse kumbe utitshala, kodwa bonke laba will make up uMthwakazi. Ubuya uzigwenxe wena wedwa nxa ukhuluma ngabadala oKhayisa as guardians of amasiko ethu and then go on and rubbish ulimi. Ungeyisi part of our heritage to suit you. Lekadeni kwakulembongi zesikhosini ezazihlabusisa ulimi. That is part of us nxa ubungazi.

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#3580 - 12/23/04 09:37 AM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 205
Loc: Zimbabwe
Makhosazana - ngiyawuzwa umbono wakho. Kungathi ngiyavumelana lawe kodwa ngingeke ngivumelane lawe kukho konke. Why?

Yebo uthi bakhulile laba bantu. Ngiyakuvuma lokho - kodwa ke nanzelela ukuthi yikho kukhula lokhu okubenza bahlonitshwe koMthwakazi. Mqambe umuntu ohlinitshwayo khona manje eMandebeleni ngaphandle kuka Pius Ncube. Ngubani? Mhlawumbe inengi lethu selihlezi isikhathi eside ngaphandle besesikhohlwa ukuthi abantukazana yibo abalamandla. Nxa ufuna bakusekele, hlonipha izinduna abazihloniphayo.Nxa zisele ngaphandle - hawu uyiphekele emoyeni. Nxa ufuna uzulu akuncedise - 'mthiye ngakudlayo.

Makhosazana - ngitshele ukuthi nxa uMabhena umgcona ngokuba yisisebenzi sika Mkabi - pho ohlanzekileyo ngubani phakathi kwethu sonke? Phela sonke lapha besisekela uZAPU. Nxa ubukade usekela uZAPU kutsho by default ukuthi ungcolile ngoba iZAPU yaginywa yi ZANUPF. Akukhatahalekile ukuthi waphiwa isikhundla kuhulumeni ka Mkabi kumbe cha. Is there logic here? Lawe Makhosazana you were going to be governor of Matland had you been a senior member of ZAPU after the so -called UNity Accord. Kanti wawungala ukukhokhela abakini?

I will have serious difficulties with someone from Matland distancing themself from ZAPU and all its pitfalls. It is called collective reponsibility. Ngalokhu Makhosazana - I am saying uMabhena kangcolanga. He always criticised uMkabi - and you are right. That he did not do anything is something that I see as a weakness here. We want somebody to do something for us - singamncedisi!! That cannot happen. Khayisa is a major inspiration to this site too. Izwi lomuntu omdala kaliweli phansi.

UMabhena is one of the few guys - Malunga included who criticised ZANUPF at every turn. Talking about the late Malunga - he is one guy again I paid a couple of visits in the mid - 90s out of interest to learn from him. Surprisingly a friend of mine warned me and said, "be careful, you will get killed visiting this man". I didnt know her source, it still puzzles me, since it did not take long before Malunga was killed - May his sould rest in peace. Anyway - Makhosazana this shows the delicacy of this walk.

I maintain that there are so many elders that will not stall the engine as you fear. Remember that we are talking about the "Board of Directors" of a development vehicle. There is space for these elderly people. Nangu uMandela, ukhulile but has more punch than any of the current world leaders. Age in itself does not positively correlate with conservatism, stagnation - NO.

Could i suggest that when we look around for a leader, rightfully or wrongfully, questions like, "kenje luntombazana / lujaha uzalwa kobani"? will be asked. Answers will be needed. Kaba soze bekele ukubuza abantu despite that we are all equal. That way, they will be vetting you. Nxa sekusiza kundaba yobu khokheli - kunzima. Phela inkokheli zibekwa ngamadlozi. You can check even the bible itself. Nanka amaBhilithishi - akhokhelwa ngubani? Nanka lama jelimani, akhokhelwa ngubani? Yebo sonke siyalingana, singabantu kodwa ukukhokhela kungeke kwenziwe nguwowonke wonke umuntu. Kwenziwa ngaba nini besizwe. Ngingeke ngakutshela ukuthi ngobani labo - kanti futhi njalo thina akufanele sizihluphe ngakho lokho kufanele sisebenzele isizwe sonke gadalala.

There are certain fundamentals that we have to grapple with for a long long time. Those fundamentals may be right, they may be wrong. A nation like that of the Ndebele has people full of pride that may destroy or build it. The Ndebele know fully well who is supposed to lead them. They dont think twice about that. This poses problems for the modern man. Why? I will give you an example: isigaba sakithi engihlala khona has the following households: Sithole, Mhlanga, Ndiweni, Gwabalanda, Ncube, Mangede, Mpofu, Ngwenya, Dube times 10, Mlotshwa, Gumede, Khumalo times three, Nkomo times times seven - kodwa isigaba lesi kuthiwa kuko Khumalo. Interesting. Imizi yako Khumalo mithathu nje kodwa isigaba sibizwa ngo Khumalo. I dont belong to the Khums but it says something about them. Induna ikude le, 40kms, ngu Mabhikwa - umlisa olapha ngu Ngwenya. Sonke lapha esigabeni sakokhumalo labanye sikhuleka ku Ngwenya. UNgwenya nguye owesatshwa ngumuntu wonke lapha. Amacala athethwa kuye - ulutho lungamehlula udlulisela phambili kundunankulu uMabhikwa Khumalo (umdala wabulawa nguMkabi - sekulomntwana).

Esintwini sakithi siyakwazi ukuthi "induku zokubusa zikuyiphi indlu" Siyakwazi lokhu. But we dont know who in particular. Yikho loZwide wagijigijima ezama ukuzitshontsha - kodwa waphumelela. Amadlozi ayakwazi ukuthi ngubani ofanele alibuse. Kungaba ngu Ndlovu, Xaba, Ncube, Sibanda, Magutshwa etc - kodwa ungakucingisisa, uzathola ukuthi yena lowo ozabusa - uvele endlini eyatshiyelwa intonga zombuso. This justifies including abadala laba engibaqambileyo labanye. Eyombuso inzima Makhosazana. Its not just about stating an age range. Inzima kakhulu and does not give any house automatic 'rulership'.If any body takes up the leadership when they are not supposed to do, well - uzacuthwa phambili.

Ngiphenduke kule esiyiphetheyo - uJona thina singeke sithi nguye osekhokhela - qha. Sithi uJona uyancedisa ngakho lokho siyambonga simtshotshozele sithi, "qhuba njalo jaha, butha uhambise eTsholotsho". Lapha siyamsekela but it does NOT amount to giving him leadership control. We dont have that power.

We can not run away from our tradition if we call ourselves amaNdebele. Akwenzakali.

Ngi ngakakhohlwa Makhosazana, phela ama War Veterans - labo kufanele babe phakathi. Thina sisebenza labo kungela lutho. Yebo bakhona abagcolileyo. Kodwa abanye ungeke ubatshiye phandle uthi uzalibusa - lenkomo ingazala umuntu libalele.Laba bantu bazinikela empini enkulu - ngibatshayela ihlombe.

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#3581 - 12/23/04 09:48 AM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 205
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Xolani ngezi xhenxe eziku posi yami. Ngilobe ngimile ngoba laphaya e bhanga okufanele ngiyekhona - abantu bayaxokozela ngoba imali kayitholakali ezweni lika Mkabi. strange nation, strange rulers.

Sgero - ungixolele ngingathola ithuba ngizaku phendula - kodwa okwamanje ungeke udinge yini elinye igama ngaphandle kwaleli? hk..hk..hk..hk.

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#3582 - 12/23/04 11:27 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Registered: 12/10/04
Posts: 62
Loc: Wakefiled
Ntombankala sengathi wena ugxile kakhulu endabeni zamadlozi lezesikhosini nxa usukhuluma ngendaba yombuso. Ye lokhu lakho kulendawo yakho, kodwa ayisiyo indaba esikhuluma ngayo le. Ukhumbule phela ukuthi asibobonke abantu abakholwa izinto zamadlozi. Lingabovuma ukucindezelwa ngabantu befuna ukusikhokhela kokuphela loba besehluleka, lilokhe lisithi bakhethwa ngamadlozi. Amadlozi angaphi, njalo akabani? These are very shrewd people who use tradition to brainwash people to believe that they are naturally meant to rule us. Nxa wabala inoveli kaMayford Sibanda, Umbiko kaMadlenya, uzakhumbula uZinkabi etshela uMbiko, ukuthi abakoKhumalo ababudalelwanga ubukhosi, kodwa babuthatha ngamandla. Hayi Ntombankala umbuso uyalwelwa, uthathwe, ugogoswe. Akula lokhu okuthiwa kulezindlu ezivele zidaliwe ukuthi zibuse abantu, ezilentonga zombuso ngokutsho kwakho.

Isintu loba sisilandela, okuyinto eqakathekileyo nxa sifuna ukuvusa isizwe, kumele siguqule okungasasebenzi kulezi insuku zanamhlanje. Mina ngivumelana lawe ukuthi izinduna kumele zinanzwe ngoba zivele zilomsebenzi wazo, owokukhokhela abantu emakhaya. Kodwa kumele kuphelele khonapho. If I had my way all these chiefs would compulsorily go to school. Ama-war vet ananzwe lawo ngomsebenzi awo oqakathekileyo, but they must not be made to believe that they are the supreme court or the constitutional court, as what Mugabe has been doing over the years. Abadala laba asebeluphele labo they must take pride in their sons and daughters taking matters into their own hands. Sokumele abatsha badonse indaba zombangazwe. Akumelanga sikhohlwe ukuthi labo ngeminyaka yabo besaphethe indaba lezi babebatsha.

Ntombankala ungasinceda ngokusitshela ukuthi kanti yena uKhayisa is an inspiration to us ngani. Is he not the same person who wanted to form a coalition with Smith? Nguyena muntu othi yena kabe kuBoard of Directors in the Mthwakazian cause? I am not inspired by him at all. In fact I sense that you are perhaps the kind of person who is inspired by the mere surname of a person like Khumalo, Ndiweni, Gumede, loba lowo muntu engelancedo nje. Phela amaNdebele ungezwa elokhe ebuza ukuthi uzalwa kobani, ayabe evele efuna ukuzwa ukuthi uzalwa koKhumalo wekuthinithini. Abesekubona njengomuntu ozwayo. Yikho esingasakufuniyo ke lokhu. These tribal and backward attitudes should be reformed. Abantu abafundiswe ukubona wonke umuntu njengomuntu, and judge a person by his/her achievements not ukuthi uzalwa ngubani. Umuntu engaba ezalwa ngumathanyela but quite a brilliant leader.

Ntombankala ayisibo bonke abantu ababekuZAPU abangenayo kuZANU PF. Labo balezandla zabo ezihlanzekileyo. Abadala laba abangena kuZANU abantu babazondela ukuthi abazange bazihluphe ngokuletha intuthuko ebantwini.

Okokucina Ntombankala uJonathan khohlwa ngaye endabeni zikaMthwakazi. Uzihluphelani kanti ngomuntu ovele engakukholwa ukuthi uMthwakazi uleCAUSE? Asisoze sibe silokhe sizihlupha ngomuntu ongelandaba lathi, ngoba ezalwa eMatabeleland. Has Jonathan ever publicly declared an interest in Mthwakazi, kumbe yini elilokhe lisitshela ukuthi uyatshiseka ngoMthwakazi, largely from your unfounded inferences?

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#3583 - 12/23/04 12:05 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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HHayi namhlanje ungiqede ulwazi, bengiyibuka imibono yakho eminingi, kodwa okaJonah angizange, namhlanje uzanendida yodaba. Mina ngithanda ukungavumelani nawe akekho umuntu owadalelwa ukungabusi noma ukubusa, kodwa ngiyethemba ukuthi umuntu wonke uma enikiwe ithuba njalo enazo impawu zobuHHoli engakwazi ukubusa ngaphandle kokuthi uzala endlini enjani. Ngiyakucela ngiyakucela ngiguqe ngedolo, hlukana lombono wakho odabula isizwe phakathi. Ungitshela ukuthi kuzomele sifune ukuhholwa nguKhumalo even engekho ongakwazi ukusihhola. Uma ekhona loyo Khumalo wakho kuhle sizomxhasa njalo sibambisane naye, kodwa wunoma ngubani onekhono lokuphatha kufanele asukume asebenze hhayi ukumelela abasesikhosini. Lapha asikhulumi ngezinto zasesikhosini kodwa sikhuluma ngenkokheli yezombusazwe. Noma uzalwe ngumyanga, noma uzalwa yilabo ababebizwa amahhole as long unazo impawu zobuhholi sizokusekela uma ufuna ukusihhola.

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Could i suggest that when we look around for a leader, rightfully or wrongfully, questions like, "kenje luntombazana / lujaha uzalwa kobani"? will be asked. Answers will be needed. Kaba soze bekele ukubuza abantu despite that we are all equal. That way, they will be vetting you. Nxa sekusiza kundaba yobu khokheli - kunzima. Phela inkokheli zibekwa ngamadlozi. You can check even the bible itself. Nanka amaBhilithishi - akhokhelwa ngubani? Nanka lama jelimani, akhokhelwa ngubani? Yebo sonke siyalingana, singabantu kodwa ukukhokhela kungeke kwenziwe nguwowonke wonke umuntu. Kwenziwa ngaba nini besizwe. Ngingeke ngakutshela ukuthi ngobani labo - kanti futhi njalo thina akufanele sizihluphe ngakho lokho kufanele sisebenzele isizwe sonke gadalala.

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#3584 - 12/23/04 07:41 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Ntombankala

Yeyeni bantu yini le?Uma ulokhu ucabanga lendaba yakho yokuthi sizobuyela entweni zakudala sibuswe nje wokuthi umuntu uphuma esikhosini khohlwa nje.
Njalo lendaba yakho yokuthi waphila nabo or wawuxoxa nabo omabhena,jona, kusibusisa ngani loko?does it make things better ngoba uyabazi in person thina izenzo zabo sizibona.Next time uzositshela ukuthi uxoxa noMkabi then we should understand you and him.
My point is wether you know them personally or not that doesnt benefit us that you should think we change our atittude torwads their wrongs.

Ntombankala gone are the days of families running a country even if they have no leadership qualities.You say ask the grassroots back home yes we ask them they will negatively suprise you with your idealogy that they want abantu of so called esikhosini to rule them.

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#3585 - 12/23/04 10:05 PM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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NTOMBANKALA,

Ngijabula kakhulu nge-information oyinika isizwe khonapha enkundleni especially ngalesi iskhathi seKhisismusi.

What cannot be denied from your post yikuthi okulobayo its credible, its information,observation on the ground right now.I hope many of us like you realise that because of so many years of subjugation and domination our own Mthwakazi people are at a point that they cannot even realise or respect own efforts,own institutions and identity.

Ukuba se Harare,London,SA,Canada and other such places is producing abantu bakithi who are very capable but whose potential will be difficult to harness for our good coz akula interlink of ideas and communication except khonalapha.That is the reason why so many people abakithi see red when we talk about the good works of Prof Moyo.

Lapha ku-net lingathini ngo Moyo and other useful people eMatland kodwa allow and recognise that 'who the cap fits, wears it'.Abantu on the ground express and appreciate that Jona is doing well, its only a few arm chair critics,family members and Zanu people who still see DD and the likes of S Ndlovu and Obert as future leaders.I personally find it strange ukuthi ;ININA thinks its wrong for Moyo to have ill-gotten financial gains,hired a plane at the expense of the taxpayer and such other silly complaints.Why does'nt she send him a mail since she claims to be in ****aland.Ulomhawu lo Moyo Inina,I am saddened by that.

To many people Jonathan has proved to be a man of his standing in the difficult of circumstances of choosing whether to be Mgabe's wife or his poodle.NGIMFISELA NJE UKUTHI ANANZELELE BANGAMBULALI since he is in a set of those who are in the know okwenzakalayo e Zim.

Makhosazana,Sgero Sinathamahewu labanye i-political analysis yenu ngeye UK eyabo Blanket labo Jack Straw.If you think you can call the shot from your computer screen only, then you are welcome also but beware that people like Ntobankala and many other brilliant Mthwakazians on the ground are networking and using the available resources to challenge Shona whims and tendencies.Hambani ekhaya nxa litshiseka liyebona ukuthi i politic yekhaya ifunani, otherwise some of your postings border on being blissfully naive and childish.Abantu abanengi kontuthu kusiya kibo lezinye indawo zeNkayi uProf Moyo is star rated.Otherwise what can we say when you compare him with the likes of DD,Skhsnyiso,Sthembiso,Obert,Maseko labanye uZwangendaba athi ngo "NDONDABO".

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#3586 - 12/24/04 12:05 AM Re: Prof. Jonathan Moyo
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Registered: 05/31/04
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Sthutha

I've always wondered ukuthi what's in a name, but now you have just confirmed that there is a lot in a name. This is typical of abantu abakhuluma bezifihla abafana lawe. Bekuzabakuhle nxa ububhale ukuthi wena ukhuluma ungaphi.

Did it ever cross your mind ukuthi asizalelwanga kumbe sakhulela lapha esikhona khathesi and that we have families esibathumezela usizo ngoba bengalutholi lolo oluthiwa luphiwa ngu Jonathi? ukuba kwethu lapha ayisikho ukuthi asisakwazi ekhaya. We are not in Mars. Most of us are within a time period of 20 hours to get home. Sikhuluma labantu abasekhaya on a daily basis and you can't just dismiss ama views abantu bonke labo ngokuthi there are armchair critics practising i politics yabo Blair. That is being naive in thought.

Ukuletha i Highlander to Tsholotsho sekungenza uJonathi to be a star abantu belamba? Izimota ziyasindwa zivela eGoli zithwele izigubhu zokuyakhisa amanzi yet if uJonathi loyo channeled his energies to Zambezi Water Project nxa abazimisele to develope uMthwakazi jikelele. Nxa usithi wena siyantshuma sikhuluma into engekho, give me practical examples ezezikolo or clinics that have been opened up as i development projects. ungangitsheli ngama computer ayi 6 to a police station. That's not a priority mani. abantu babopha inqola ukuya esibhedlela that is 30km away, and that has been there since independence, then kuthiwe there is a star developer in the making of Jonathi. Abetshabi put up clinics and schools nxa bekhuluma ngedevelopement. Abantwababo don't walk more than 3kms belanda isikolo. Yet right there e Tsholotsho High, abantwana sebefake amadumba lemishasha to live in so that they are near a high school. They can't afford to travel 30km ngelanga to and fro besiya esikolweni. And you talk of donating computers, and cellphone access, nx unyawo lwami!

Wake up Sthutha and smell utshani obuluhlaza. Nxa uyibona idevelopment, please sitshengise ukuze lathi silayele abakwethu ukuthi bangaya lapho, bazabesebefike ko mlalankunzi ozaqeda indubo zabo. You have a very warped conception nxa ucabanga ukuthi abantu abasemazweni have it easy so much that they are prepared to be armchair critics. Abantu work themselves to an early grave. Bayahlukuluza bazehlisa baswele ukuhlonitshwa and hence we are so bitter. We keep tabs ngokwenzakalayo so much more than labo abasekhaya because sikubona from a different and non-blinkered way.

Umbuzo osemqoka ongangiphendulela wona yilo: kanti uJonathi lo who is 'star rated' ngabantu on the ground ukhankasela ukuthi alidonsele ngaphi? Ku Zanu kumbe to a new Mthwakazi? If elidonsela kuZanu then for hell's sake stop screaming about ukuthi uMthwakazi aziqoqe and fight. Why mobilise ngoba uJonathi is taking you to where you want through his star rating. The man is so clear ngokuthi ukhankasela esetikitini leZanu. Mhlawumbe ngabe phela uzimele yedwa ngabe sithi kumbe. Abanengi i doti asiyifuni,hence we don't want to go lapho ahugela khona abantu by giving them okungama gestures okungela ngqondo.

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