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#36436 - 02/26/08 09:02 PM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Sibambamahawu]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Originally Posted By: Sibambamahawu
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...born and bred kwaMgots and hailing from Tsholotsho where iGukurahundi massacred some of your close relatives and yet you pride yourself nge-University kaMgots, the murderer of your close relatives


Madoda this is a serious issue, no wonder why my brother behaves this way. He is full of anger, but after all is there anyone of us who is not angry? is there anyone of us who did not lose a close relative in the hands of this murderer called Mukabi?
My heart bleeds for this troubled young soul, i forgive him for all his madness, i have realised the craddle of his problems.
My only plea straight to him is for him to get real ad join the struggle for an Independent state of Mthwakazi, that's where he belongs.
If in anyway i added some pain ontop of those piled on you by Robert Mugabe i would like to say i am sorry.
I did not know of your predicament, please accept my apologies. I do ask my brothers to sieze this war, we are not enemies, we will never be enemies.
It is now enough guys, we do not serve any purpose with these unnecessary ping pongs. Please let us rivert back to our clean and fruitful ping pong.
Asibekele phansi izikhali Mthwakazi kaNdaba.


Utsho kahle. It is for those reasons thina abanye sithi kakwehlukwane lezinto zakoMgots. And more so those who are full of anger due to Mgots murderous ways should not seek carthasis by projecting that anger at Mthwakazi and its people. Such an undertaking is indeed an exercise in futility. There are other ways we can deal with that sad chapter in our lives than perenially being angry at Mthwakazi and its people. There is a gentleman by the name of Enos Nkala who tried in vain ukugeza ubuNdebele bakhe but he remains iNdebele today and a sad one for that matter.

Mgots did a lot of damage to a lot of people from every facet of our lives and it is in that vein that we should be humble and realise ukuthi we have suffered together in different ways and forms kwaMgots lena and decist from thinking we are somewhere up there in heavens and abanye baphansi.

Any attempt to try and repackage ourselves as South Africans and amaZulu while inkaba yethu iseTsholotsho, eNkayi and in many other Mthwakazi lands is indeed some futile endevour and amounts to nothing more than self hatred.



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#36437 - 02/27/08 02:47 AM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Jazelindizayo]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
Originally Posted By: MTHWENTWEHLABA1
Jahelindizayo
Mfowethu yini usenzela umoya omubi kangaka. Sikoneleni mfowethu. Madoda liza lapha lithole abantu bezenzela izinto zabo, lithi ukubaphazamisa. Why. OK sithi uMthwakazi ngabantu abalamanga , aba dull, njengoba abanye besitsho, but wena kungakukuhlupha ngani lokhu. Yini lingatshiyani laye uMthwakazi, kumbe kukhona okufunayo wena ngokwakho na. KANTI AWULA ABAKINI ONGAXOXISANA LABO. To be honest with you ma ungatshongo lutho wena,lomunye ujaha okhuluma njengawe, kulokuthula lapha enkundleni. Manje senzeni , lifuna Inkundla ivalwe kumbe lina litshiyane labantu laba bezakhele into yabo. Yikuphi okungcono. Thina sihlanganisa amakhanda ngodubo esilalo, lina libona angani siyaziphuphela nje, fine, but what do you want around here. Do you want to help us with anything but we are not interested. Surely you cant force us to accept a gift we dont want, can you?


From your profile it would appear that you have only just joined the forum - nothing wrong with that that is how the forum grows. However you would do well to disabuse yourself of the need to act like a prefect or a head-boy ( or is it the boy with the head) in this arena.
I stand corrected but to my limited understanding this is a public forum to which any member of the species can join and provided they comply with the rules and regulations of engagement they are free to contribute and comment on any thread going. This is a place where people add their two-cents worth to issues being discussed. It is not as far as I am aware a movement or whatever your warped imagination tenously grasps it to be.
In less than a month since you have joined your out put has been nothing short of prodigious in its volume but sadly lacking in substance as your efforts have been concentrated on acting like a policeman. You would do better by responding to legitimate concerns and questions raised by free thinking spirits. Is it that you lack the wherewithal to engage and respond to points raised rather than focussing on attempting to stifle legitimate debate and discourse!!


JAZE
Im so sorry baba it was my mistake, please accept my apologies I did not realise uyintshantshu in debating.Was just taking a chance. Your command of the English language its even like Cecil Rhodes, CHARLES Dickens AND William SHAKESP WERE taught english by you. Above all you are here for debates, ah xola ndoda.
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#36438 - 02/27/08 07:35 AM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Sibambamahawu Offline
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This is not aimed at anyone, i am trying to learn to write my Ndebele:

Nja + Endizayo = Njendizayo

Into nje ngiyazibuza ukuthi ingabe indizela kuphi, eHarare???
Ukuyokwenzani?
uhle ukufunda kodwa ukufunda usale uyisiphukuphuku kusiza ngani?
Yikho lokhu abakubiza ibrain-wash.
What has hyper-inflation has to do with our cause? It is just a peripheral issue not a core issue. It will not derail nor change the strategic course of our struggle.
We don't ignore it, but we are aware that it has no everlasting effect on our cause, today when they want us to help them to remove their devil they pretend as if we have equal citizenship rights in that god forsaken nation, tomorrow when the devil is gone and when the inflation has been tamed the status quo will remain, we will be treated with disdain as they always do.
For anyone to tell me that the economic hardships are experiencd on equal basis, when the other group has been suffering marginalisation, economic difficulties for a long time is just pretence at its worst. If two people were starved for sometime, e.g. Mr M. is starved for 14 days before Mr S. Mr S is joining Mr M on the 14th day, they are simaltaneously starved for 14 or so more days. If one has to die who would you expect to see dead first? The hyper-inflation or the economic effects have no ameliorative effects or of balacing the equilibrium, instead it adds more to the suffering that has been going on for years.
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#36443 - 02/27/08 10:58 AM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Sibambamahawu]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
To everyone

I, umicondo yegusha, isishwapha sikaSomkhele (abe Sotho bathi ngingu mtsetserepe!), mina kaNdonga, uMashukumbela ? umakhwel? intaba nyova. Mina kaMthakath? owathakath? emini! Mina kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa. As amaSwati would say: mine wase Mtubatuba!

I the prophet of truth am getting sick & tired of this Brian Ngwenya taking it upon itself to be my adversary. Iqiniso livelile ? igama lakhe seliya ziwa ebandla - kepha usa qhubeke njalo eshaya ihlathi kwi mizamo yakhe yokuthi identify me. His incessant everyday business of umicondo yegusha vs him, is his futile attempt to divert me from my modus vivendi on this website. Through his extraordinary mental acrobatics he has been fantacising & creating figments of his imagination ethi wonke loyo doti uyi mpilo yegcokama lakwaNkwali.

He wants me to abandon my crusade as the angel of truth in this forum. He wants to wear me down by keeping me embroiled as much as possible in his silly stuff about his failures in life ukuze ngikhathale, qede ngishenxe, ngiphume kulesi sigungu. He adopts the style yenkosi yakhe uM-g-o-t-s who would go to any lengths ukuhlaza anyone oqhudelana naye esikhundleni. Brian is a pig: ? enjoys dragging me down into his preferred territory of mud wrestling ukuze ngikhohlwe nge ngqikithi yokuba khona kwami kule ngosi. He is desperate & would go to any lengths to try & discredit me ? kepha ngeshwa uya hluleka uswayini coz ngimsulwa, angina sici. He is hell-bent on seeking to put me down with lies & hate and force me out of this forum. He wants me out so he can thrive on ukuqamba amanga, efihla uku hluleka kwakhe elayifini by blaming all Shonas for all his failures & those of several of his so called Mthwakazi ilk. He wants to get rid of me coz the truth I say laph? esigungwini is unpalatable to pathological liars like him. As long as ngikhona kule ngosi, he is not at ease coz I send chills right down his spineless carcas as I expose his lies!

Madoda, ngilu sizi ukubona igazi losapho lwenu lidicilelwa phansi kanjena. I?m human & I know how painful it is ukudlula kwesi hlobo emhlabeni. Ubaba wami ongizalayo, inkwali yenkosi, ebe yinsizwa yamadoda. Ngeshwa wadlula emhlabeni ngo dlame lwama tekisi eSinqawunqawini ngama 90s. Now, I find it disgraceful ukuthi uBrian wenu lona, a self dubbed paragon & vanguard of your alleged Mthwakazian revolution, is today trivialising ukufa kwezi nsapho zakini, zibulawa nguM-g-o-d-o-y-i nge Gukurahundi. Lo muntu mbumbulu udlala nge geja kuziliwe. Mkhuzeni uma ngabe nilazi isiko la kwaNtu. I?m sure all, if not most, of you Midlands & Matebeleland (except Brian of course) descendants have been directly affected by the carnage of the Gukurahundi massacres. This is sobering. Is it therefore palatable for you to sit there behind your keyboard & read Brian Ngwenya treating lelo gazi ela phalala with disdain like that? Are you happy to see Brian in celebratory mood, ekhuluma amanga aluhlaza cwe ethi ene mina ngiyi nkedama angina bani, babulawa yi 5th Brigade ? all in the name of trying to discredit me using the genocidal tragedy that befell all Midlands/Matebeleland ? & seemingly, except his family? How are those to whom it?s true ( sengisho izingane ezasala dengwane, zingena bani ngendaba ze 5th Brigade) supposed to feel if umuntu akha amanga ngomunye umuntu angamazi, kuyindlela ne mizamo yokweyisa kwakhe lokho? Isn?t this Brian behaviour a way of showing disdain & scant regard for the many & various orphans of Gukurahundi - some of whom are permanently scarred for life ? intellectually, emotionally traumatised, materially depraved ngokuswela ongazi nakekela? Question is, since Brian seemingly wasn?t affected by lolo dlame & has all his family intact (mother, father, brother, uncle, aunt, gogo, mkhulu, distant relatives et al) ? which side was he or his folks on during those hard times? How does he identify with your alleged Mthwakazian revolution uma ngabe kumhlekisa usulu uku felwa okwehlela abanye benu nge 5th Bgde?

I wish u-Brian wansondo alibambe linga shoni ? baphile kude kube phakade abakubo. Then he can continue lying in the name of being clever ngezinto ezibucayi kanjena.

Finally, I say ? I?m no clown. I?m a man & not a child. I say, this intellectual midget (Brian Ngwenya) is no longer fit for further discuss & must therefore be given the silent treatment. And from henceforth, isishwapha sikaNdonga will keep his focus, keep his eye on the ball & not allow myself to be diverted from my modus vivendi in this forum. I will focus on being the angel of truth & ignore all attempts to divert my attention from my firm & incessant pursuit of the truth.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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uShamase wangempela!
Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
Yangcol' into ngayintshinga - bayicosha abafokazana!
Futheka mnyekefuli.
Ngiwuphula ngamabomu umoya wakho - yilento ekubulalayo!

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#36447 - 02/27/08 01:14 PM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Sibambamahawu Offline
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Registered: 05/04/04
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I wish u-Brian wansondo alibambe linga shoni ? baphile kude kube phakade abakubo. Then he can continue lying in the name of being clever ngezinto ezibucayi kanjena.

I am not Brian Ngwenya and i do not agree with him on this one, but i don't think he raised this serious issue as a way of ridiculing or luaghing at anyone, if he did then he needs to apologise because this is a serious issue. Noone ever asked Mugabi and his gangsters to murder their loved ones. I am sure that even Brian lost some very close relatives from the hands of the 5th brigade, so i can fathom him luaghing at anyone while he faced and still face similar predicament to those whom is alleged to ridicule.
The only confusion comes when one who lost his or her close relatives seem to downplay the evilness of perpetrators and thereby condone their dastard acts. We should condemn those who sought to kill us without reservations or being academic about it. This is one of the darkest chapter in the life course of Mthwakazi. We can differ about many things, but when it comes to the genocide, please i ask and plead with all of us to be responsible in our comments and exercise maxim restrain. Let this issue never divide us but solidify our union as a nation.
Let sanity and tranquility prevail once more.
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#36452 - 02/27/08 08:50 PM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Sibambamahawu]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Let me say one parting shot before I call it quits. I have the uttermost respect for Gukurahundi victims but also all the victims of Gukurahundi are challenged to have the uttermost respect for the rest of the victims of Gukurahundi. What they can not do and should never do is to engage in some reckless talk( or as my adversary would say, 'ping pong') about the efforts of other victims of Gukurahundi or enthusiastically seek to minimize M-gaxa's marginalization policy and in the process claim their unrecognised and undeserved superiority. Their delusions of grandeur over Mthwakazi's efforts to liberate herself just becoz batshaye iDubulap and are in South Africa can not go unchallenged. They should not stand on some fake pedestal and laugh at the efforts of those who are trying ukuthi bathi liberate Mthwakazi when they have suffered the same pain and agony kwaM-gaxa. They should not laugh at the efforts of the marginlised, the 'traumatised' while they have gone through the same suffering. They should not belittle the efforts of others bethi bona are a class act while the M-gaxa push marginalisation factors have landed them where they are today, South Africa.

My relatives were victims of this menace. I experienced Gukurahundi first hand when I was young in rural Matebeleland. Therefore it is indeed a pure lie that I seek to play with this issue. I am in tune with the pain and agony kaMthwakazi. I have not turned against my own and attacked them due to this pain. Why should I fight my kith and kin for their efforts? I might not agree with their tactics and their ideology but is there any need to pour scorn at their efforts and deride them day in and day out and accuse them of hailing from izwe lobubha, when I am coming from the same pot as them? Should I be allowed to project that anger at them for the sins of Mgabe and his goons stationed in Harare? What will such an endevour benefit me and the community where I come from?

I, Brian Ngwenya am not and shall never project that anger to the Mthwakazi people,my blood, my kith and kin due to my personal loss. I have not attacked Mthwakazi for her pains and her trajedy but indeed I have decided to march and soldier with her in her bid to liberate herself from her oppressors. I have not despised Mthwakazi for her suffering and for seeking to liberate herself. I am marching side by side with Mthwakazi in her pain, in her agony and in her efforts. I am proud of that and forever I shall do so. I am Mthwakazi's humble son and I am not ashamed of it. My umbilical cord is in Mthwakazi's lands. I shall never pretend otherwise. Ngeze ngithi inkaba yami iseNgilandi or in South Africa just becoz I want to soothe my inflated ego. Never. I remain a true and humble son of Mthwakazi whose inkaba is in Mthwakazi.

Now why did I bring this issue. This was a well calculated therapuetic adventure that was diployed to the territory of my self declared adversary with precision to bring the message home that they are not different from us and that their claim to this difference is just but an illusion. It was not designed to make Gukurahundi a laughing issue but to make people aware ukuthi we are in the same boat lana and to deride others sithi singcono is not the best way forward. The Americans talk of shock and awe to bring the message home to their adversaries that they are in town. This was indeed my last and final missile to bring the message home that you can cheat people some of the time but you can not cheat them all of the time. You can pretend to be uClever some of the time but that can not be all of the time. How silly it is to be exposed ukuthi wena you are in the same boat and maybe in a worse situation than the people you redicule each and everyday in this forum?

This was a calculated and deadly agenda to expose those abaClaimer ukuthi they are better than others just becoz they are in South Africa while evidence is to the contrary. This was a reminder to them about their true origins and that it is a lie on their part to pretend that they dropped like manna from heaven into this world. Peter Tosh once said in his songs, 'No matter where you come from, as long as you are black, you are an African'. I, Brian Ngwenya echo similar words today, 'No matter where you find yourself as a Mthwakazi in this world as a result of Mgots dictatorship and misrule, as long as inkaba yakho is burried in Mthwakazi lands, then you are a Mthwakazi, a Ndebele for that matter'

And finally I am happy to declare peace and to sign a non-aggression pact with anyone! Uyayizwa lonto Ndebenkulu aka N-k-o-s-i-n-a-t-h-i!


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (02/27/08 09:31 PM)
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#36453 - 02/28/08 04:28 AM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
abafokazi Offline
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Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 117
Loc: Luton, england
We look at the problems that affect our country because they affect us as well. The reason why they affect us is because we have lots of relatives that face the day to day hardships that they face in that country, and to me this is a shame because i have lots of empathy for them.

It seem like most of the time instead of building ourselves and coming with constructive ideas of how to solve the problems that we face as a nation, we spend our time attacking each other and trying to prove who is great at using the key board. We are all adults, ilizwe limi ngenxa yezikhwica mfundo labodanda, abakhutheleyo lamavila. So then what is the way forward to solve these issues.

Ngayizolo nje, I heared that Chihuri has athorised the police force to shoot any people that try to misbehave during the election times. Some people feel that this move is aimed at people who support the opposition parties, lithini ngalokhu. The other thing, amabalot boxes bathi they wont be transparent like the ones in previous elections since there is a shortage of money to get transparent boxes therefore they will use the non transparent boxes that they have, is it not another way of trying to rig amaelection yena leyo. Soyi cela isivuthiwe ngiyalitshela.

Ngelesindebeleni kodwa bathi: ingungu ingakhala kakhulu isizodabuka njalo futhi baphinde bathi; okungapheliyo kuyahlola. Asiyichutheni madoda siyophela

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#36456 - 02/28/08 08:38 AM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: abafokazi]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
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Loc: Canada
mfokazi

uhlabela idiscord, kungani ungayi enewmgots.com?

Sinatha and Muntu

Liyavuthela madoda, you are damn two good and talented culprits. hayi liyigoqe hahle indaba yenu, bengizibuza ukuthi izaphela ngani, kodwa liyivale kahle kakhulu.
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#36464 - 02/28/08 02:04 PM Re: for sure politcs is a dirty game [Re: Mthakathi27]
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Registered: 07/15/03
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uxolo ungangiloyi mthakathi, hamba wena e newmgots.com yikho okufanele wena, nmina ngizohlala ngilapha. Hlabela lawe sibone ukuthi umumetheni ngomlomo. Angiboni kulolutho, yidwe vele.

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