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#36624 - 03/08/08 11:57 AM Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean
abafokazi Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 117
Loc: Luton, england
To an extent i do understand why the UK Govt imposed some sunctions on our country. All the sunctions that were imposed did not affect Bob and his Govt but it has affected Zimbabwe as a whole.

What they (Bob's Govt)do, is sit down there in the House of commons and mock the UK and other countries that are against Bob's rule while the intire Zimbabwe is falling apart with less than 20% of people employed in that country.

Now this is the thing that gets me: Hennrey Olongo, what can i say about him. He came to this country (UK) and raised concerns about the political situation in Zimbabwe and stated that he was on the run from the Zimbabwean Govt, he feared persecution as a result of his action torwards them.

Mind you he is a former Zimbabwean cricket player, when he came here he claimed asylum and went through trials to join one the UK cricket clubs but he failed to impress any clubs and therefore he still does not play for any clubs.

Recently the UK Govt lead by Gordon Brown has said it wanted to Ban all the Zimbabwean sports men and women from participating in any sports in the UK. If this is successful, Benjani would be deported, Cara Black wont be coming for wimbledon and Nick Price will not be able to participate in any of the golf tornaments in the UK.

From my own point of view these are Zimbabwean who I think have not done any harm to the UK Govt and they are just doing what they are experienced to do, just like you and me doing whatever job we are qualified to do and this in the only means they in supporting their families back in Zimbabwe.

Henry Olonga does not have to support everything that the UK says about Zimbabwe because what affects Zimbabwe is not the ordinary people but its Mgabe's rule, so all plans that they come with to tackle zimbabwe's problem should be targeted on the Govt not the people. Henry Olonga shouldn't try to prolong his stay in the UK by dancing to tune on the english.

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#36625 - 03/08/08 12:41 PM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: abafokazi]
Mayihlome Offline
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Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 69
Loc: Mhlanga Rocks
Originally Posted By: abafokazi
Recently the UK Govt lead by Gordon Brown has said it wanted to Ban all the Zimbabwean sports men and women from participating in any sports in the UK. If this is successful, Benjani would be deported, Cara Black wont be coming for wimbledon and Nick Price will not be able to participate in any of the golf tornaments in the UK.


The British government has no plans for a blanket ban on sportsmen from Zimbabwe, Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesperson said on Tuesday, rebuffing a report from the BBC.

The spokesperson said Downing Street had been "surprised" by the report suggesting that Britain was considering a ban in a bid to step up the pressure on Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe.

"It is not the case that the prime minister is considering a blanket ban on Zimbabwe's sportsmen," the spokesperson said.

He said it was up to the English cricket authorities to decide whether a planned tour to England by the Zimbabwe cricket team went ahead.

"If they decided they want to ban Zimbabwe, we would support them," he said.

Citing "Downing Street sources", the BBC's Inside Sport programme said
Brown was keen to take a tough stance against Mugabe and that might include banning Zimbabweans from competing on British soil.

The Zimbabwe cricket team are due to play two five-day matches and three one-day internationals next summer.

Any ban would meet strong opposition from the International Cricket Council (ICC).

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) would have to pay an estimated
?225 000 in compensation under ICC rules if the one-day matches were cancelled.

The ECB have already held talks with the Zimbabwe Cricket Union to try to reach a financial settlement to call off the tour.

There would be no penalty for scrapping the five-day games as Zimbabwe is no longer classed as a Test-playing nation.

Any ban would also jeopardise England's hosting of the ICC's WorldTwenty20 tournament, a shortened version of cricket, in 2009.

The BBC said the 2012 London Olympics would not be affected by a ban because the British government has signed the host city contract that guarantees entry into the country for anybody with International Olympic Committee accreditation. ? AFP

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#36628 - 03/09/08 01:32 AM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: Mayihlome]
Mqamulandaba Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 03/07/08
Posts: 3
Loc: Johannesburg
Olonga needs a hug, he's a lost soul.

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#36630 - 03/09/08 01:53 PM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: Mqamulandaba]
magandiwa Offline
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Registered: 05/30/04
Posts: 40
Loc: usa
People who adopt countries are a problem because in the end when the foster parent is suffering they usual seek where their roots are. Tell him to coil his dreadlocks and be quiet if he does not have anything to say.

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#36643 - 03/11/08 11:02 AM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: magandiwa]
Msupatsila Offline
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Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
I think Olonga totally missed it here. How can he support a proposal to ban other sports people just like him to particite in games that benefit them economically or otherwise. Its not Mgaxa who will lose out when the team or persons are banished from participating in the UK its those particular individual and that will affect even the next generation. I think if we let sports people play sport and politicians play politics the better. Uyabona the UK government has double standards, the cricket team is to be banished because most players are black, why are they not talking of banishing white players in disciplines like Tennis, swimming and other white dominated sporting disciplines.

I used to support the idea of banishing sporting personalities BUT I have seen the light, Mgaxa will never feel the pinch.
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#36649 - 03/11/08 07:08 PM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: Msupatsila]
vunguza Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 129
Loc: emaguswini
Bakwethu

I react with all the fury I can muster to all the posts condeming Olonga for his views. I must apologize therefore that some of what I will say here might come across as emotional. But I feel that I must say this.

People, let us all stop being hypocrites. Olonga might have been the wrong person to say this, even as I am not sure why I say Olonga is the wrong person to speak his own mind.

Even if we pretend that Downing Street had said what the BBC was shoving down our throats, the funtamental political bone of contention does not change.

All of us are sick and tired of world indifference at the monster Bob and his gang. at the same time, all of us are aware of how the world isolated SA politically, economically, and in terms of relations (even) through sport during apartheid. All of us were cheering the bold steps that the world political setup was taking to put pressure on the apartheid government to voestek.

I know that it is painful and somewhat unjust to restrict ordinary Susan from competing, or even merely visiting the UK for whatever reason. But let us all move away from normative and value based judgement and face the facts. Benjani or Cara, for all the fame and money they earn in this world, are still the same as the guy who fills pothole with sand in exchange for alms along Masiyephambili road in Nkulumane. they are all human beings, and most of all, they are all poor Zimbabweans at the mercy of a madman.

Now, isolating Zimbabwe in a way that is unambiguous (unlike President Mbeki) and one that can effect change demands strong action similar to what was done to SA before 1994.

Pray tell me, what is so special about Mugabe, or Zimbabwe for that matter? and how come Olonga is so wrong about this.
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#36650 - 03/11/08 08:55 PM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: abafokazi]
toots Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/13/03
Posts: 50
Loc: england
Vele umuntu wase Kenya engakhulumani, especially seeing as there is no order in his native country.

He shld be calling for the banning of Kenyan athletes, most of whom have been implicated in the killings happening there today?

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#36651 - 03/12/08 06:18 AM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: toots]
lvovo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 163
Loc: KZN
Henry Olonga and our Vunguza thinks with there bottoms if I may borrow this from one foramite.

If it was them being banished from going to that country to play they will be crying foul. Only that its not them or their families they think its fine. Who said we supported the banishing of black guys from parcticipating in sports during SA's apartheid? The reason that SA was banished doesn't make this decision a good one NOT AT ALL. Your hate for MUGABE must not be transfered to sport loving Zimbabweans. What have the west achieved by those so called sanctions on Mugabe? Nothing except the suffering of an ordinary Zimbabwean. So you want the suffering to be extended to sports loving Zimbabweans? This is just nonsensical, why didn't they banish them during the Gukurahundi era? Hantsho they were busy wining and dinnig with him. This is where you see hypocrisy in the face of the Britons and the west at large.

Vunguza don't act like Olonga wake up and smell the coffee. Think before you jump the gun.


I don't like the saying that goes umuntu omnyama umnyama konke lengqondo its not in my book of sayings.
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#36659 - 03/13/08 03:13 AM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: vunguza]
Bukani Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 11/24/06
Posts: 1
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: vunguza
Bakwethu

I react with all the fury I can muster to all the posts condeming Olonga for his views. I must apologize therefore that some of what I will say here might come across as emotional. But I feel that I must say this.

People, let us all stop being hypocrites. Olonga might have been the wrong person to say this, even as I am not sure why I say Olonga is the wrong person to speak his own mind.
Even if we pretend that Downing Street had said what the BBC was shoving down our throats, the funtamental political bone of contention does not change.

All of us are sick and tired of world indifference at the monster Bob and his gang. at the same time, all of us are aware of how the world isolated SA politically, economically, and in terms of relations (even) through sport during apartheid. All of us were cheering the bold steps that the world political setup was taking to put pressure on the apartheid government to voestek.

I know that it is painful and somewhat unjust to restrict ordinary Susan from competing, or even merely visiting the UK for whatever reason. But let us all move away from normative and value based judgement and face the facts. Benjani or Cara, for all the fame and money they earn in this world, are still the same as the guy who fills pothole with sand in exchange for alms along Masiyephambili road in Nkulumane. they are all human beings, and most of all, they are all poor Zimbabweans at the mercy of a madman.

Now, isolating Zimbabwe in a way that is unambiguous (unlike President Mbeki) and one that can effect change demands strong action similar to what was done to SA before 1994.

Pray tell me, what is so special about Mugabe, or Zimbabwe for that matter? and how come Olonga is so wrong about this.


@ Vunguza,I think the bigger hypocrites here are Olonga and the United Kingdom for singing different songs when it suits them.
Someone correctly mentioned above that Olonga went for cricket trials in the UK and FAILED,do you honestly think for an example if he was currently playing for the English First XI, he would still be singing this same song??...or better still if he was still in Zimbabwe needing an exit to the UK,Henry is a typical example of someone who has used the Zimbabwean situation to suit his needs.He is currently enjoying a better life in the UK,as a result of identifying himself with Zimbabweans when it best suited him,yet not a single drop of his blood is Zimbabwean,Kenyeans have been battering each other recently and yet he has been strangely silent....

True there is nothing special about Zimbabwe,for it not to be banned from World events-the hypocricy of the United Kingdom however is that while they are loud on certain aspects of sanctions,they are silent regarding why the family members of those closest to the ruling party are still freely enjoying education,and holidays in the United Kingdom-if Im not mistaken the President's own daughter was associated with the London School of Economics last year....and thats level ground for you???? ...Hayi Bo!!!

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#36660 - 03/13/08 05:57 AM Re: Olonga swimming on the wrong ocean [Re: Bukani]
lvovo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 163
Loc: KZN
Any sane person will see that Vunguza is trying to defend the undefendable. I would like to thank Bukani for a job well done. You said the facts and I am saying you are 100% right.

I urge people not to think through their bottoms when it comes to this issue. Your hate for Mgaxa must not affect peace loving Zimbabwean. The fact that some people are in the diaspora doesn't give them the right for ukubhekela abekhaya emanzini and think they are special. Yinhlanhla yabo labo okwamanje.

Umhlaba uyahlaba njalo uyajika Bassop Vunguza you will be deported. UK has started deporting failed assylum seekers.
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