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#36897 - 03/23/08 07:35 PM THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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He led the Zpira intelligence wing at the time of need

2. He is a cool guy and says little

3. He was persecuted by Mugabe together with Lookout Masuku

4. He has defied Mugabe and told the old geezer to fcuk off

5. He is a hero of his own right

6. His defying of Mugabe has exposed the true sell-outs from kwaMthwakazi, if the reports of statements from these former Zipra fellas are true condemning DD

7. He has been honest about how he joined Zanu PF and the fact the Mthwakazi community have approached him several times telling him he is wearing a 'wrong jacket'

8. He has contributed to making Mugabe's powerbase insecure and shaky

9. The reaction from Mthwakazi about how he has been vilified by the sell-outs speaks volumes about his stature

Now, the time I will ever despise Dabengwa will be the time I will have offered tangible services to Mthwakazi. For now his short comings are excusable. This is a man whose parents were shot point blank by the white enemies for his involvement in liberation politics and struggle. Come to think of it, your parents being murdered for your fight for their liberation and freedom? Then come independence, you are jailed by your black brother for having done no wrong. At the end of it all you are condemned by your own and condemned by your enemies. Has DD done the right thing to tell the old goat to fcuk off? Has he been brave enough to do so? Have we done the same as he has done or do we remain engaged in some grand academic eloquent essays criticising him for his actions while we have not done anything for ourselves? The man has a history far better than ours. This is not to say he has not made mistakes. He has but one will excuse him that he needed a rest after all these years of struggle. There is a time in life one has to be with his family and look after his family in peace. I condemn the fact he has ropped himself on Makoni without a clear blue print on the issue of Mthwakazi. But the old geezer has seen enough and the challenge is on us. He can be excused.

Your shouts about DD?


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (03/23/08 07:40 PM)
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#36898 - 03/23/08 08:29 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
duze Offline
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mfowethu ngiyabingelela, USAPHILA UmTHWAKAZI KODWA? phila Mthwakazi omuhle, thina sisaphila. usho kahle impela. izwakele indaba yakho.we should not vilify the guy. he is not a bad guy at all. we thina bakaMthwkazi siyahlonipha abadala. asimhlonipheni uwenzile umsebenzi wakhe, thina ngempela senzeni? thina abasha senzeni? ngiyabonga. what do you think is the way forward mfethu? peacefull talk or take them at their own game? salakahle Mthwakazi.

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#36899 - 03/23/08 09:19 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: duze]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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DUZE,SINATHAMAHEWU
Angilitholi kahle bafowethu.What is your point ngaluNdoda uDD. I dont think there was ever an issue about respecting anyone and for that matter uDD. Is anyone asking him to do anything for us? We know he has been at the table feeding with zanu for whatever reasons and now he is with Makoni, an arrangement which we dont understand yet. So what are you really saying, am I missing a point somewhere?
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#36900 - 03/23/08 10:38 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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mfowethu ngiyakubingelela. cha mfethu, mina bengiqonde ukuthi lendoda mayiyekwe. singayigxeki. siyihloniphe ngoba phela isikhulile. akusekho engakwenza thina okungasehlula. asenzeni thina singabheki amakhehla. ngiyabonga mfeyhu salakahle.

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#36901 - 03/24/08 07:11 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: duze]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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udabengwa ngumthengisi omkhulu kakhulu, akumelanga simhloniphi, uyehlulekile yena ukuzihlonipha ngokujoyina uMakoni. ukujoyina iZANU besingamxolela ngoba abantu bakithi babesifa bebulawa yigukurahundi. Abantu bakithi were expecting ukuthi uDabengwa one uzophuma kuZANU akhokhele isizwe sikaMthwakazi. Akekho umkhokheli abantu akade bethembele kuye njengoDabengwa, manje okungamaShona kuyavuma ukuthi sekusehlule, nangu umuntu ongangoDabengwa esesiyazenza umfazi kaMakoni. uDabengwa dini lo ubulala isizwe sikaMthwakazi. uletha ipolitics embi kakhulu. uDabengwa lowu kumele simzonde ngenhliziyo zethu zonke uma kudingakala simzonde langezingqamu lemikhonto yethu. akasakufanelanga ukubizwa ngoMthwakazi.
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#36902 - 03/24/08 08:14 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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NGIYALIBINGELELA BANTWANA BENKOSI
Bengicela ukuthi singayikhulumeli phambilini lindaba kaDD. Thina okwamanje asifezeni inkululeko. At the same time simnikeze ithuba uDD azikhulumele yena ayikho. Ma engasakwanisi uzazitsholo yena. Ma elokhu ekuzanu kuzaphumela egcekeni kodwa. Qotho, makangahlanjazwa. Let us conduct our business according to the "similitude of the palace" njenga bantwana benkosi, especially now that we do not yet know much about his case concerning isituation kaMthwakazi. There is no way Makoni could lead DD in anything , this all just too funny a move. Kukhona okukhona. Okwamanje mina ngokwami for now I will hold my peace concerning this man. Its a matter of a coin that could fall on either side.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (03/24/08 08:17 AM)
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#36903 - 03/24/08 09:40 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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akukho okukhona, udabengwa dini yisehluleki. umthengisi wokucina. uEnos ungcono kolodabengwa ndini lowu. nangu uEnos sekuPUMA, uDabengwa wehlulwa yini ukungena kuMPC?
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#36904 - 03/24/08 09:48 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Dabengwa said: ?Hayi baba Mugabe, siyakuhlonipha jah?elidala. Usebenzile, siyakubonga konke osenzele khona eZimbabwe.

?Okwanamhlanje mhlaka 29 March sithi hayi akumeceleni ukuphumule. Nanti ijaha esesithe lizathatha amanyathela akho liwagqoke. (We respect you Mugabe, you have played your part, step aside and rest. Here is the youngman (Makoni) who will step into your shoes).?

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However, Dabengwa said he would not push for a Mugabe trial ?because he entered into a truce with Joshua Nkomo?.


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Dabengwa said: ?When I first worked with him, he would be punctual to appointments. He would pay attention to detail and would discuss things for over an hour or two. We used to hold very intelligent discussions with him giving me his piece of mind and I would come out of his office satisfied.

?But as time moved on, the man would start missing appointments. Sometimes only making himself available for around 10 or 20 minutes when the issues needed more time. Sometimes he would just lose concentration during a serious meeting.?

Dabengwa, speaking to reporters at a press club in Harare on Wednesday night, said he had discovered that ?the law of diminishing returns? was now affecting Mugabe?s way of discharging his duties.

FROM THIS LAST QUOTE TO ME IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHILE DD WAS STILL WITH ZANU HE ADMIRED MUGABE, HE WORSHIPED HIM.

WHY JOIN MAKONI WHO SEEM NOT TO HAVE ANY VISION FOR US. LOOK AT IT MAKONI'S GOVT WILL BE FORMED AROUND ZANU BECAUSE MAKONI IS AN INDEPENDENT AND DOES NOT HAVE A POLITICAL PARTY. YINDABA BEFUNA UKUSIDLALA NGESAYIKHOLOJI

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#36905 - 03/24/08 10:33 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
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mfowethu ngiyakubingelela. cha mfethu lendoda kusho ukuthi awuyithandi ngempela. kodwa phela ngendlela oyibeka ngakhona ngempela nami kuthi mangimzonde.uthi lemurderer elishona lakwamugabe wayehlala nayo phansi baxoxe aze azizwe anelisekile. yini nje leyo enganelisa umuntu ngomugabe? the guy is a child murderer full stop. all he ever done was to kill 50000+ defenceless Ndebeles.leshona leli lizothethwa icala lalo uyathanda noma engathandi uDD.i cant understand umuntu othi umgabe is inteligent.where is the proof of that. he is a leader of faillures, does that make him intelligent. maybe shona style. but to us to be a leader for 30 years and all you ever done was to kill innocent people just because they dont like you,thrash the once bread busket of Africa to a barren hopless mess and you call that intelligent? shona style maybe. of all the shonas he is the only intelligent one.otherwise why rule for 30years? no other shona is intelligent than him?

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#36906 - 03/24/08 11:24 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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mfowethu ngiyakubingelela. cha uyibekile. thina singuMthwakazi siziqenya ngakho lokhu ukuthi iqiniso siyalivuma yize libaba.amafacts akho are there akekho ongawaphika mfethu. kunjengoba ushilo Mthwakazi omuhle.mina ngithi okungamashona kungafisa ukuthi kuthi sokusehlule, kodwa yizifiso nje lezo.for 30 years the Ndebele has refused to vote for the shona. fact. now we are coming together as Mthwakazi.we are starting all over again only now we want to die.we need funds ,we need to have an account where we can depposit money to be used for our cause. ....

okwamanje siyaphele nge grand plan yamashona akungcono sife sizamile? the whites should be roped in our fight because they are being killed as well. all they have worked for has been stolen by the shona all because of their skin colour. fact.its a joke. the white man was racist we fought him.fine .today the shona is blatantly racist, why can we not fight him together with whites? we never hated the white man for his skin colour. the trueth is the whites built verything you see in that country.towns,schools, roads,everything. fact.all the shona ever did was to change names so it looks like they built them. changing a road name to mugabeway.why? build a road and name it mugabeway shonandini. how can you be so shallow.


Edited by Sibalukhulu (03/24/08 11:34 AM)

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#36908 - 03/24/08 02:00 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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SINATHAMAHEWU
A few days ago you were suggesting that others are full of bushes in their heads only for you to come up with such staff so soon. People have a right to scrutinise uDD, one he is a public figure, two he is a seed of Mthwakazi and 3, people view him as their prospective leader. They dont hate him, one or two may, but in all truth Mthwakazi in general do not hate or villify him. It is just his recent past and current situation that we are not comfortable with and most importantly that we dont understand. We are eagerly waitng for him to enlighten us. Whether he is cool or not that is not our baby. We qualify to put him to scrutiny because we look up to him, we are wondering if he is our next leader, we are Mthwakazi and we are partaking in the marginalisation that is being unleashed against Mthwakazi.As we talk we do not know where he stands. WE should not qualify because of what we have done for Mthwakazi but because of what we want to do for Mthwakazi and to wait until we have done something for Mthwakazi would be blackmail. He did not lead a vacuum space but he led thousands of willing men and women. Where do you put them? If we cant discuss these people how do we choose our leadership. Did he say he now wants to rest with his family?. IS IT TRUE THAT HE SAID HE IS NOT GOING TO PUT mGABE TO TRIAL BECAUSE OF WHATEVR REASON? DO YOU REALLY THINK YOUR DEBATING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL THESE ISSUES WE ARE GOING THROUGH AS A NATION THAT YOU WOULD LAUGH AT YOUR BROTHERS THAT YOU FEEL THEIR HEADS ARE FULL OF BUSHES. Do you truthfully want to gather us down for debate, and what are we debating if we cant debate national leadership? How did he defy mgabe , by teaming up with Simba? Sad to hear what happened to his parents,but what is your point? Do you really know how and ways were our people killed during and after the dependence war.
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#36909 - 03/24/08 02:41 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
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Sinatha i agree with you on the achievements of DD. No one can take that away from him and we should never overlook that. He should be forgiven for joining Zanu in the 80s with oNkomo, this was done to stop the slaughter of our people by Gukhulayamaswina. Kodwa uMthwakazi ohlezi kuZanu lamuhla kaxolelwa. Kugoqela laye uDD, ngoba ukulandela uMakhonindini lo kufana lokulandela uMgodoyi. UMthwakazi okuZanu should have realized within the first five years of the so called unity accord that these fellas were marginalizing their fellow Mthwakazians and were going back on every promise they had made to the Mthwakazians in Zanu. For DD to have been let down by uMgaxa and then now feel he can trust this Makhonindini, is a shame.
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#36911 - 03/24/08 03:43 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Calm down baba and re-read my post. I am not here to defend DD but I put my opinions with regard to the latest bliz and condemnation by some leaders in our society bethi ungumthengisi bona besele kwi-Zanu PF yabo.

I have stated ukuthi I do not condone his support for Makoni. I hardly do.

I have called for people to give their 'Shouts' on DD, which means I am deliberately seeking peoples views on him and triggering a debate! I do accept that my post has been provocative in so far as it is asking us what we have done ourselves for Mthwakazi.

Is inaction on our part not an unforgivable trecherous behaviour, worse than what DD has done kwi-Zanu PF yakhe leMavambo yakhe?

Nanso-ke indaba!


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (03/24/08 03:59 PM)
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#36912 - 03/24/08 03:48 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lungani]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Ngiyawuzwa umbono wakho. But then are we not selective that we can hero worship Joshua Nkomo and give him praises and fail to condemn him for having joined Zanu PF and pursuaded those who did not want Zanu PF to join it with hardly any returns for Mthwakazi?

Joshua Nkomo died a Zanu PF chap and under the command of Mugabe but a few of us moan about it.

Ngiyavumelana lawe kwi-point kaMakoni.
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#36913 - 03/24/08 03:55 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
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Does this guy really mean what he is saying?

He seems to be declaring the 1987 unity accord null and void and is talking about the patriotic front as th accord that is important to him.


Ngivumelana lawe kwi-issue kaMakoni?
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#36914 - 03/24/08 04:11 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Sinathamahewu is contradicting himself.

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He led the Zpira intelligence wing at the time of need.

And also abdicated his responsibility at the time of need.

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2. He is a cool guy and says little.

There is nothing cool about a sellout.


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3. He was persecuted by Mugabe together with Lookout Masuku

I agree with you, but uMasuku wafa loma ngithi wabulawa kungani uDabengwa engafanga loba engabulawangwa? Lokhu kungabe kusitsho ukuthi wathengisa kudala.

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4. He has defied Mugabe and told the old geezer to fcuk off

What if Makoni is a mugabe plant? ayikho lento baba sinatha.

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5. He is a hero of his own right

No he is not a hero at all, he was a hero.

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6. His defying of Mugabe has exposed the true sell-outs from kwaMthwakazi, if the reports of statements from these former Zipra fellas are true condemning DD


He has exposed himself, ukuthi lilema eligxoza indenda. a man who can not read or understand the Mthwakazi issue.

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7. He has been honest about how he joined Zanu PF and the fact the Mthwakazi community have approached him several times telling him he is wearing a 'wrong jacket'


He is still wearing a "wrong jacket"



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Now, the time I will ever despise Dabengwa will be the time I will have offered tangible services to Mthwakazi.

Stop worshipping this foolish sellout.

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For now his short comings are excusable.

Excusable, you must be joking my friend.

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#36915 - 03/24/08 04:34 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mthakathi27
Sinathamahewu is contradicting himself.

Quote:
He led the Zpira intelligence wing at the time of need.

And also abdicated his responsibility at the time of need.

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2. He is a cool guy and says little.

There is nothing cool about a sellout.


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3. He was persecuted by Mugabe together with Lookout Masuku

I agree with you, but uMasuku wafa loma ngithi wabulawa kungani uDabengwa engafanga loba engabulawangwa? Lokhu kungabe kusitsho ukuthi wathengisa kudala.

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4. He has defied Mugabe and told the old geezer to fcuk off

What if Makoni is a mugabe plant? ayikho lento baba sinatha.

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5. He is a hero of his own right

No he is not a hero at all, he was a hero.

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6. His defying of Mugabe has exposed the true sell-outs from kwaMthwakazi, if the reports of statements from these former Zipra fellas are true condemning DD


He has exposed himself, ukuthi lilema eligxoza indenda. a man who can not read or understand the Mthwakazi issue.

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7. He has been honest about how he joined Zanu PF and the fact the Mthwakazi community have approached him several times telling him he is wearing a 'wrong jacket'


He is still wearing a "wrong jacket"



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Now, the time I will ever despise Dabengwa will be the time I will have offered tangible services to Mthwakazi.

Stop worshipping this foolish sellout.

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For now his short comings are excusable.

Excusable, you must be joking my friend.



Ngiyakuzwa mfethu. Kangiziphikisi nix.

All I am saying is that me and you, due to our inaction are no better than Dabengwa we call a sell-out.

Surely our inaction amounts to selling out, pure and simple! Kakunjalo?

I have the right to provoke you ngale-indaba like lizonde ngizwe ukuthi lithini.



Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (03/24/08 04:35 PM)
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#36916 - 03/24/08 05:28 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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No Sir, you have no right to go around provoking people only to hear ukuthi bazathini with either this or any other issue.
Ma uthi I must calm down what do you mean? Is it like I can also say to you now, cheer up? When you actually state that our leaders had to join zanu for our sake, what action do you suggest we should have taken in the face of gukura? Anyway we fight alongside may we should move on.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (03/24/08 05:31 PM)
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#36918 - 03/24/08 08:03 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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We qualify to put him to scrutiny because we look up to him, we are wondering if he is our next leader, we are Mthwakazi and we are partaking in the marginalisation that is being unleashed against Mthwakazi.As we talk we do not know where he stands. WE should not qualify because of what we have


Dear oh dear Consistency thy name is not Mthwentwehlaba1. In another thread , about the March 2008 elections, Sikhathele Mkhwahla (or is it Sikhwehle Mthembile) told Mthwentwe that all Ndebel leaders had "roped" themselves under Shona leaders and he (our good man Mthwentwe) ululated, when told that the Ndebele leaders had no cajones, he jumped up and down with glee, when told that he was incapable of thinking he gamboled like a kid in the spring sunshine, when told that Dabengwa was a sellout he clapped long and hard. Yet today he tells us that he is scrutinising and contrary to Sikhathele's assertions he is actually thinking . Not only is our good man scrutinising but he is contempltating if Dabengwa is his next leader, the same Dabengwa who, to remind the public, has "roped himself". By the by is there any member of the forum and the world at large be so kind enough as to explain how one ropes himself . Is this a transliteration from the vernacular to the Queens' english - uyazibophela = he has roped himself ! But I digress..........
I truly wonder what planet some of these people are on- how the hell do you make someone your leader when that person has never shown any sympathy with the ideas, ideals and ideology that Mthwentwehlaba1, Khatshana (or is it Duze) and other denizens of the We-are-the-oppressed-and-we-are-the-very-angry Brigade . Has Dabengwa, at any point, in the past, immediate or otherwise ever shown himself to be sympathetic to the ideas espoused by Mthwentwe and his band of merry men?
A wiseman changes his mind and a fool never. Are these wise gentleman from the East telling us with a straight face that they have never once in their lives changed their minds about anything in their lives; girlfriends, friends, wives, relatives, politics? Has it occured to these honourable and respectable gentleman that Dabengwa has changed his mind about Mugabe but still subscribes to the notion Zimbabwe as a nation and not as some bantustan that beloved of the likes of Mthwentwe and his ilk? The old song by the Byrds (if I am not mistaken and damn blood good song if you ask me), based on the biblical Ecclesiastes (sp) does say "To every season turn turn turn, A time to live a time to die, a time to sow a time to reap, a time of war and a time for peace" May now is the time for Dabengwa to bale ship and go with Makoni.
Seriously, it should be borne in mind that Dabengwa was never elected by the people of Matebeleland on a ticket of independence for Matebeleland, (in fact in the last two elections the people have rejected him) and that he has refused to serve in government in the last eight or so years bears witness to nobility of the man. He is where he is ( a member of the Zanu politburo) as a result of being elevated there by members of Zanu-pf and not the people of Matebeleland. That he is from Matebeleland does not mean that every man and his dog from Matebeleland has the right to piggy back on Dabengwa and expect him to support and lead every odd-ball idea that people have. The logic is twisted and archaic- people should not support politicians and political parties with the same zeal, blind faith and allegiance as one shows to their football team!!

Let me say once and for all Dabengwa is a great man, he is a leader and he is a HERO. His achievements past bear witness to his heroism and most importantly he has done more in seeking to liberate himself and others than all these prelates who criticise and villify him here today
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#36919 - 03/24/08 09:00 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Mthwe,

You know that me and you are in the same boat ideologically but that does not mean ukuthi akumelanga ngithi challenge us ngendlela lena I have chosen.

Can we honestly say we have done better than DD for our people?

DD responded to the call of liberation politics, never suffered inaction but went as far as being the Black Russian we have come to know about kwi-Zipra.

When this guy was jailed by Mugabe, who among us stepped in to demonstrate against that brutal action by Mugabe? Who among us defied all odds to show our 'leader' the love and passion we had of him? Was this chap not left alone in the Lion's Den? Who among us stepped forward to defend him? Was he not left alone to wallow in Mugabe's jails?

Now what about us now? Are we stepping foward ukuthi sithi do things and do better than the Dabengwa we are criticisng? If you call a meeting lana kwi-maWestern world okungela ngitsho ma-CIO kaMgabe, bangaki who step up to be heard? I will tell you one fact, we have had a situation where oMorgan Swangilayi come into the UK and saying to their audiences they will not prosecute uMgabe when they come to power and yet when they are home they say something different altogether when seeking our people's vote. How many of us have stepped forward to demonstrate against these goons ngendaba le yeGukurahundi?

If someone were to call for that demo how many of us will come from our comfortable woods and be on the streets si-demonstrater against those abadlala ngathi? Dabengwa is better than us, he responded to the call and did what he had to do. Thina ke? Is our inaction not some selling out behaviour? If we believe in this cause, then let us see the real results on the ground baba. That is the challenge!

Ngiyali provoker again!!!


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (03/24/08 09:16 PM)
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#36920 - 03/24/08 09:06 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Jazelindizayo]
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT WAS WONDERFUL. HAVE YOU GOT SOME MORE GOOD STUFF? I WISH EVEY BODY WAS SO WISE LIKE YOU ARE. SIYABONGA KAKHULU UNGADINGWA LAKUSASA.
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#36923 - 03/24/08 09:35 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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Originally Posted By: Mthakathi27
akukho okukhona, udabengwa dini yisehluleki. umthengisi wokucina. uEnos ungcono kolodabengwa ndini lowu. nangu uEnos sekuPUMA, uDabengwa wehlulwa yini ukungena kuMPC?


Ukungena kuMPC kufana lokugoqa izandla umane uzihlalele nje. What is MPC doing right now in Zimbabwe or rather Matabeleland to save the people from mgabe's madness? NOTHING..Who knows about this MPC in Zimbabwe anyway? NOBODY.
U DD ukhulume ekhamisile wathi into yabo le is like a rescue mission. Ngokuhambisana lomakoni uzama ukuthi mhlawumbe engahlenga abantu kulolu dubo abakhangelane lalo khathesi. Kusobala ukuthi ukubakhona kwenja le umgabe kutsho ukuthi abantu will continue to suffer.
DD has done his part and will remain a hero to many. Now it's time for you the so-called Mthwakazians to get off your fat asses and stop crying like lil b*tches. Selijayele ukwenzelwa izinto magwala ndini. Lamhlanje libhizi likhonkotha njengokungumkhongolo okusemsamu kucatshe ngemva kwesalukazi lifuna uDD ukuthi alilwele for this imaginary Mthwakazi republic. Well, from the look of things, DD doesn't believe in this bullsh*t yenu. He wants to try and rescue the people of Zimbabwe. Whether he will manage or not ngokusekela umakoni, lokho abantu sebezaz'khethela, but the man has offered himself to spearhead the change proccess.
Lina uma lani kuleyenu impi eliyilwayo eyehlukene leka DD, ilweni sibone kumbe lizaphumelela. Lesabani kanti, umsebenzi yikutshona lipepetsha kuphela likhohlisana, blali mbungulu zabantu. What tangible services have you offered abantu bematabeleland to get them out of this sh*t?

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#36924 - 03/24/08 11:54 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Babugagashi]
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You seem to think that u DD can offer us something but i dont get it. What sort of govt are they going to form him and makoni because they do not have a political party.

Once they win Zanu PF rules, Mgabe risigns as party leader, Makoni gets invited to be a Zanu party leader. Same policies remain because we talking about zanu here.


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#36930 - 03/25/08 01:37 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Babugagashi]
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No BABUGAGASHI DONT STRAY SO QUICKLY . YOU ARE RIGHT OURS IS AN IMAGINERY WAR YIKHO SINGENZI LUTHO. THAT SHOULD NOT REALLY MAKE YOU FRET.
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#36934 - 03/25/08 06:07 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 66
Loc: uk
Originally Posted By: Mthakathi27
akukho okukhona, udabengwa dini yisehluleki. umthengisi wokucina. uEnos ungcono kolodabengwa ndini lowu. nangu uEnos sekuPUMA, uDabengwa wehlulwa yini ukungena kuMPC?
Akucace lapha mfowethu ngoba angizwisisi. Nxa ngikhumbula kahle ngeskhathi UDD labo Lookout labo Vote Moyo bebotshwe nguMgodoyi, uEnos Mzombi Nkala was the then Defence Minister of the Fifth Brigade that killed innocent defenceless Mthwakazians.Prior to that his remarks when he was Minister of Home Affairs led to the Entumbane war when he threatened to wipe out the Zapu leadership.Madoda uNkala has always been Zanu and ukuthi usekuPUMA it doesn`t make him any righteous at all no.His hands are full of blood,not just blood but Mthwakazian blood the blood of his own people.

UDD even though ubeyiZanu usetshilo ukuthi kayingenanga ngokufisa kwakhe and njalo kasizange simuzwe ngelinye ilanga ehlabela amapraises kaMgabe njalo akazange asetshenziswe yiZanu against his own people and instead he is the only Mthwakazian who has had the courage to say Mgabe has failed he is too old and he must go. I know this on its own is not convincing enough to many but surely he deserves credit for that.

Okunye futhi madoda kumele sazi ukuthi no one can fight the Mthwakazi battle alone ngibona angathi kulokuthi sibesilokhu siyengana lapha kumaforum we need to move in quickly and use umuntu who has offered himself and is already there on the ground kulokudinga amanegatives angekhoyo.Ukuthi ubeyiZanu akusatsho lutho okwamanje and infact iexperience yakhe yeZanu can be used to exploit amaweaknesses ayo.Umuntu operfect vele ngeke simthole akekho empilweni nango uPius Ncube laye nomakanjani we were still going to back him.Abanye basola ukuthi why uDabengwa esekela uMakoni ngibona angathi ukuzimela yedwa bekungeke kwasisiza kangako ngoba ekuvoteni lapha vele sibalutshwana kulamashona hence I think lathi we should start using them like they`ve done to us all this time and at least DD and Makoni`s case can be a starting point.

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#36936 - 03/25/08 06:35 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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Hodoba/Khukhuva wrote:
akukho okukhona, udabengwa dini yisehluleki. umthengisi wokucina. uEnos ungcono kolodabengwa ndini lowu. nangu uEnos sekuPUMA, uDabengwa wehlulwa yini ukungena kuMPC?


Khukhuva you lose it again. Dabengwa is a seasoned politician. He's in a higher league & must not be seen ezenzela phansi by associating with this anonymous cyberspace-based MPC yakho whose leadership is unknown, whose manifesto is a secret. A movement that's virtually unheard of kubantu on the ground KwaMgodoyi. A movement that will never participate in an election KwaMgodoyi. A movement enga joyineki by anyone ngoba vese, by all intents & purposes, it doesn't practically exist.

An MPC whose membership is composed of Zwangendaba, Zwangendaba & Zwangendaba.

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#36942 - 03/25/08 09:21 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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MPC:

Defination: What is MPC?

Can someone who know exactly what MPC stands for give me a hint? I have never heard of such an organisation and am seeing people writing about it. I guess if I can conlude that its a cyberspace organisation belonging to wishfull thinkers I will be on the right track. I hear these wishfull thinkers are saying peiople in Matland should not vote (its sucks). I don't think any sane person will advocate for such an action in this day and age because they will be handing victory to those whom they are against.

Open your eyes MPC (maybe you wanted to say MDC), its helps no-one to abstain because Matland's destiny will be decided by others.

On DD I respect the guy for he is the only guy with balls. Ubeyigadile impisi and he decided to jump off, atleast he did something. Abanye besaba ukweqa besesaba ukulunywa. Angazi ukuthi abanye abantu bafunani sibili, ngani uDD ubelokhu eku ZANU they we going to continually villify him and now he is out of ZANU usengumthengisi. Wena othi uDD ngumthengisi stand up and lead the people of Matland from lokhu esikubonayo. Get into DD's shoes, imagine all the toucher thats he went through.

Wena MPC (Mpisi) ungaboni abanye ubuwula, wena sewenzeni Mpisi???
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#36953 - 03/25/08 01:50 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
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Bafowethu, if you take a look at current global affairs you'll realise that a wave of ethnic disturbances is sweeping across the world. When it finally hits us in Zimbabwe, please let's unite as people of Matabeleland and demand a breakaway state from Zimbabwe. This unification must take place la, on Zimbabwean soil hatshi phetsheya or in some cyber-space environment, ngoba its the ordinary masses that need to be mobilised. And when we finally do so please involve all ethnic groups in Matabeleland. The idea should be clearly spelt out, kuzwakale ukuthi sithini singaxhamandi!! The other day I talked of ground rules; these are necessary and the structures should be set in such a way that traditional leaders labadala bethu understand what would be happening. Otherwise a shallow, petty disturbance would be quelled by our shona oppressors in no time and abadala bazahle bacabange ngegukurahundi and be silenced. And people like Dabengwa are needed for this time and game... Le yiyo yodwa indlela abantu beMatabeleland bengahlaliseka kuhle belozibuse...

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#36957 - 03/25/08 06:51 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: mfokakhebesi]
Z61m Offline
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Originally Posted By: mfokakhebesi
This unification must take place la, on Zimbabwean soil hatshi phetsheya or in some cyber-space environment, ngoba its the ordinary masses that need to be mobilised.


Unification must take place everywhere lapho okuloMthwakazi khona, whether it is cyberspace or fibrespace.

Those who keep bleating about cyberspace are a disgrace unto themselves, because they are using the same medium, the internet, to express themsleves.

Kanti lifuna abantu abangaphetsheya benzeni? They have got the internet at their disposal so let them utilise it.
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#36965 - 03/25/08 08:10 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Z61m]
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Ngixoleleni mina bengingekho!

Lalelani la kakuhle.

NEXT SATURDAY NGAMA -ELECTIONS EZIMBAGWE, I INTEND UKUTHI SIYEDEMONSTRATOR E-EMBASSY YEZIMBAGWE AGAINST MUGABE'S TYRANNY SIVUSE EYEGUKURAHUNDI KUBE KUBI KUBENZIMA. THE WORLD WILL BE FOCUSING ON ZIMBABWE!


NGOBANI LA ABA-PREPARED FOR THAT? NXA LINGA-PREPARED YEKELANI UKUSOLANA LABO-DABENGWA

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#36977 - 03/26/08 12:00 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
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Loc: KZN
Originally Posted By: SINATHAMAHEWU
NGOBANI LA ABA-PREPARED FOR THAT? NXA LINGA-PREPARED YEKELANI UKUSOLANA LABO-DABENGWA


Mfowethu thats a very good one, I like your stance lets see the MPC members standing up. Mina laloba ngingasi weMpisi I want to be counted. Bengithi ngizabona iminwe eminingi eyabantwu beMpisi manje kakula loyedwa, what they specialise in is demonising Dabengwa. uDabengwa has played his role kwiPolitiki yeZimbabe sokusalele thina, kasimxekeni umuntu omdala aziphumulele. He is a Hero to me angazi kwabanye.

MPISI stand up and be counted.
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#36980 - 03/26/08 12:34 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
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Funny thing iyenzakala lapha. MPC critiques Dabengwa for his 'deriliction of duty' and in turn MPC is being critiqued for precisely the same thing.

Who's fooling who?

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#36984 - 03/26/08 01:19 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: iBoyz yezkweyeni]
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Those who are critiquing MPC for dereliction of duty might be the ones who are not involved in the struggle. Some people are good at criticising but never getting their hands dirty. To me Dabengwa is a living legend and the MPC is a futuristic movement, the perfect embodiment of Mthwakazi aspirations. The MPC did not criticise Dabengwa on a personal basis, but it appears to me as a call for all Mthwakazians to unite against a common enemy. I am sure that Dabengwa is a polished and seasoned politician, he can tell what is meant by the MPC,and at the sametime i hope the MPC suspects what Dabengwa is attempting.
Dabengwa made it conspicously clear that he never wanted to join ZANU and that the name ZANU to him was a pain. He also pointed out that this Makoni thing is a rescue mission. The rescue mission could be multi-pronged encampassing the greater Mthwakazi aspirations. But Dabengwa needs to realise where people are now in terms of political thinking, he also needs to be assured that he would not walk a lonely journey. If he decides to rest from politics then thats fine, he has done his bit. The MPC is out there mobilising people, maybe it will fulfil Dabengwa aspirations. Let us rally behind our own, let us respect our own, let us support and encourage our own.
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#36985 - 03/26/08 01:47 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
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This is a call directed to all abantu bakaMthwakazi irregardless of which organisation they belong to.

Bangaki lana who are prepared for that?

Lonke lithule lithe cwaka! Why?
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#36986 - 03/26/08 02:41 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
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"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those- who in times of great moral crisis-take a position of neutrality" Dante


MPC stand up and be counted otherwise Dante said it all
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#36987 - 03/26/08 03:14 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Sibambamahawu]
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Baba, let us "hope" that the MPC as you state is a futuristic movement. Time will tell. We would urge the MPC to choose its words carefully if it wants to be taken seriously. If MPC are politicians, we hope that they understand what alliance building, coalition building, etc, is all about. To suggest that Dabengwa is dong errands for Simba is a total fabrication and condems the MPC as nothing but a bunch of pretenders and paper tigers. Does the MPC know who 'really" rebelled at ZPF congress? They dont.

Even Mugabe wont lose a sleep over the "emergence" of the MPC - if at all it does emerge. Politics in that country is not necessarily about mowing down all the shonas. That is the sole reason why we created the MDC and chose Morgan to lead. It worked here and there. It inflicted harm to Mugabe. He (Morgan) was the stick to be used to kill a snake (Mugabe). When you have killed a snake, common sense dictates that you throw away that stick as well. At times you may keep it so that other snakes are kept at bay.

Simba is the stick. No approach is without risk. Dabengwa is the man and those who have dared visit him at his home know from long back what he has always said. Now DD being a military person does not "talk too much" with anyone and hardly trusts people. He knows that othathawese njengabo MPC abanazo izifuba bazamane badalule emphakathini imfihlo. He carefully chooses friends and keeps his cards closest to his chest. He is a very difficult person to crack a joke with. His announcement to leave ZPF was only known by a few top former ZIPRA guys whose names I can not mention on line.

MPC may be futuristic but they strike me a psuedo politicians...kind of like college desk politicians. Post your manifesto MPC right now if you are serious.

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#36989 - 03/26/08 03:22 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: ntombankala]
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Originally Posted By: ntombankala
That is the sole reason why we created the MDC and chose Morgan to lead. It worked here and there. It inflicted harm to Mugabe.


If this is not a euphemism for "it didn't work", then I can only say that the harm the strategy inflicted was cosmetic, scratches on the surface.

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#36990 - 03/26/08 03:25 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: ntombankala]
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ntombankala

I liked your posting mnakwethu, enough respect for you. I have never asked myself why uMgabe has never lambasted DD the same way he does to other guys who defect from ZPF. I guess the MPC guys abakaze bezibuze the same question.

I think the answer to this question izaxazulula okunengi about the hero we are talking about.
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#36991 - 03/26/08 03:44 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: ntombankala]
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NTOMBANKALA PLEASE PLEASE DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT , DONT EVEN LET IT CROSS YOUR MIND, DONT EVEN TRY IT. dont tell us about mdc, for we also know it ourselves , dont tell us about zipra, forget it, not even in your grave. how dare you? tell that blimming morgan to set up his own site and talk to his own children. You are not ashamed you that defraud the widows and the orphans and altogether the weak. Does it cross your mind that their Maker is watching and could just decide to plead their cause. Dont try and bring here your morgan under Dabengwa s arm pit. Even noma sidicusa uDD KUNGOBA NGUMNTWANE NKOSI, LIGAZI LESILO. DONT TAINT OUR SOULS WITH IGAZI LIKA MBUYAWABO NEHANDA LABO SEKURU WHATEVER. next time you see morgan tell him his hands are covered in blood of the innocent souls of Matebeleland and it can not be washed off by any earthly detergent. You know what, I dont even wish to talk to you, move and stay on your side of the line. The lines been drawn.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (03/26/08 03:46 PM)
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#36992 - 03/26/08 03:47 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
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Even Mugabe wont lose a sleep over the "emergence" of the MPC - if at all it does emerge. Politics in that country is not necessarily about mowing down all the shonas. That is the sole reason why we created the MDC and chose Morgan to lead. It worked here and there. It inflicted harm to Mugabe. He (Morgan) was the stick to be used to kill a snake (Mugabe). When you have killed a snake, common sense dictates that you throw away that stick as well. At times you may keep it so that other snakes are kept at bay.


The problem with the MPC as far as i am concerned yikuthi isihlale esikhathi eside kakhulu kucyberspace, ngiyakhumbula ngesikhathi ngiqala ukuzwa ngayo longtime ago, people used to take it serious but not anymore.
But having said that, ngicabanga ukuthi iMPC stands for the Mthwakazi interests better than any other formation. Even far much better than ZAPU. IMDC bekufana lokuzikhohlisa loma ukuzikholisa. Uma uDD ezoqhubeka ngalendlela abuya ngayo, then he is not better than the devil.
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#36993 - 03/26/08 03:58 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Mthakathi27]
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#36994 - 03/26/08 04:14 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Sgero]
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Two so far have stepped forward and the rest bathule sengathi kabangizwa.

Ngithi on-Saturday the world will be focusing on Zimbagwe, kasithatheni amabhakane seyekuthi demonstrate ngendaba yeMetebele attrocities.

Selithuleleni?


Thanks sgero lale enye insizwa but bathule angathi kabezwa kodwa banike uDD babanga umsindo. Eishhhhhhhhhh!
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#36995 - 03/26/08 04:22 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Do you really want me to teach you manners? I wont waste my time on that. If you want to be respected by some of us, just make sound logical contributions not this emotionally charged directionless ranting. What is your story? Please grow up. This culture of intolerance you are displaying is only displayed by your uncle Mugabe. If you do not want to talk to me, dont respond to my post. Hey, I dont miss you. I accept sound criticism.

I dont see how you get so mixed up. This talk is not about royalty and DD does not belong to that either. Zwide Khumalo does uma ubungazi. We dont want that anyway. Do you want me to brag about how much I know the Dabengwas? Come on!

I would accept that Simba is "tainted" with blood not Morgan per se. But your hands are tainted too for doing nothing. You could have been a suicide bomber. Your cowardly act will result in exploitation of your own. Right now Chombo is turning Matland into Gutu / Mpandawana and only one person has confronted him from "stealing" hardwood. I wont tell you who that person is.

By doing nothing you share the guilt. Uyabukela nje wena. Would you blame J Nkomo for signing the unity accord? If you are dumb you will. After that accord, things "normalised" in Matland and you may have been a foetus then and wont know. It was a strategy for peace. It worked for that time. The issue of killings and killers was not covered at that time. But you can. DD is also strategising. It may not work or may work. life is about taking risks.

Can you please calm down, take a glass of water if you dont mind. Think before you write. I believe you can make great contributions. Some of us will know about you if you were active or claim to have been active in Matland politics. That I dont doubt. You are simply a sympathiser for Matland and that is how far you go. There is no need for me to brag about what I have done. No need. I think that your role should be confined to praying. We need God on our side.

As you talk, people in Matland will vote for Morgan - because you are not visible. Some will. Watch the count.

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#37005 - 03/27/08 02:20 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: ntombankala]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Loc: UG
NTOMBANKALA
You may teach me manners if you so desire, I m always ready to learn. If u r not going to waste your time on that why do you mention it in the first place coz I never asked for it.
As for me I seek not to be respected ,thats way too low, I m after uzibuse. It just does not hold to suggest I should expect to be respected by my oppressors. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS YES, I WILL RESPCET EVEN THEIR BELONGINGS AND IN TURN EXPECT THE SAME FROM THEM. The shona beasts have dismally failed to respect us and are busy abusing our people as sex symbols and harvesting of votes. I am not mixed up, I m full of vision and focus. I see a properly liberated sovereign state of Mthwakazi. Free as they came with the King. And at this juncture allow me to remind you that they were not only the Zwides but included even izithunjwa. I proudly class all these as abantwana benkosi. No one is better than the other. This was an all-encompassing culture and thats where we get it from , this is not something we sat down and manufactured, its a heritge and it holds a special place in our hearts. We put all emotion and passion when we talk of it because even our emotions are righteous, ruled by the principles of love. YOU SUGGEST I SHOULD NOT BE EMOTIONAL BECAUSE YOU ARE USED TO THOSE CORRUPTED SHONA EMOTIONS THAT DESIRE SOME TRIBES EXTINCT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
As for tolerance, I have been since the end of Smith s regime and throughout the years of this siege, by the camp that Morgan is not a stranger to. I think I m content knowing DD as far as his public life is comncerned, anything more than that is not my baby.I dont regard him as above other beings, he is part of us. Unless he has become otherwise then we are happy to hear from him. BUT Morgan is not as such. He is a perpetration of the entire conspiracy. Its really sad to hear you talk like you do. I have nothinhg against you as a person because I dont even know you. I however, have a problem with you when you will come round here telling us to vote for morgan. HE HAS NO PORTION HERE. LUSAPHO LWENKOPSI KUPHELA LAPHA. Where has he been all these years we were suffering. Its only when economics is biting him that he is thought of us as people, and what happens after the elections? We have seen him in this bloody mdc, he is no different from mgabe,simb and the whole house kambuyanewhatever. If you place yourself in there, you have your freedom of association, its up to you who you sleep with, play with, fight with, as I said as long as one identifies with Mthwakazi he is Mthwakazi whether Nambya , Tonga, Kalanga and the same priciple stands to those that identify with this shona people. Sizamile bakithi ukuphilisana labantu laba , humbling ourselves to the lowest there is but, they just hate us.
Why should I fight as a suicide bomber? I bear no inaction on my part. WHEN WE ATTAINED DEPENDENCE, we thought we had attained independence, we intergrated, disarmed demobilised and DD was in command then, AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE. how do you fight when disarmed hence unity accord because there was no other way. Then gukurashona was unleashed and remember where was morgan then? I do not feel good when you suggest that I was a foetus, uyangihlambaza nje loba ngingakonelanga lutho. A Ndebele foetus in a Ndebele belly is not too bad. I stand in doubt what sort of foetus you carry? I dont see it wrong for me to condemn the murderers and I dont see how that affects you. Just think of it you say things "normalised" honestly honestly when did things ever normalised with Mthwakazi? There was never a strategy for peace, that was simply an "emergency kick out panel" We were totally done. Whatever DD is doing with simba we would wish we knew. Rest assured I am calm. I am not thirsty. I dont need water. LIKE YOU WISH ME WELL! If I am just a sympathiser , please tell me what is wrong with that, is it so wrong to sympathise for my own than you doing exploits agaist your own. Even if u decided to brag about your achievements how does that help anyone except in that camp you are on.
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#37006 - 03/27/08 07:47 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Mavovo mfethu kunjani. mina ngisaphila Mthwakazi omuhle. cha ulibekile,nami ngivumelana nelokuthi akayekwe lombemi ongu DD.uzamile yena. thina ke senzani? mina mfethu ezetoyitoyi ngikhathele mfethu. mina even nokukhuluma lokhu ngikhathele. sengifuna kungathi kungathiwa, mi thatha hamba eyundaweni ethile kuyenuka umswane.lamashona acabanga ukuthi singamagwala.mfethu akungincede kungani kuthiwaMatebeleland kube thina singamaNdebele? Bulawayo should it not be Kwa-Bulawayo? why are we ashamed of our origins? isigodlo senkosi uShaka sasibizwa Kwa-Bulawayo.inkosi uMzilikazi wetha iKwa-Bulawayo ngesigodlo senkosi. manje kwasuka kwathini? ngiyabonga mfethu.

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#37019 - 03/27/08 03:15 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Zwangendaba Offline
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

YEBO NZARAYAPENGA.

ULOKHU UHLALA LALO ISHONA LAKHO OWAWUSULILWELA LENDODA YALO?

WOZA BABA KU MPC. Mina lawe song'ama THONGA kanti manje ubhayiziswa yintoni?

Li Zwangendaba.

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#37063 - 03/29/08 03:44 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Zwangendaba]
cabucabu Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 89
Loc: Dallas
Stop this stupid argument, you will destroy the nation, when we were suffering on a scale you can never imagine, our relatives and parents being chased out of jobs because they were ZAPU, because they were Ndebele you come with this nonsense today, fool though you , your whites, your Mugabes might keep us poor say we are stupid exile our entire lifes, this line you will not cross, you tell your white masters that, you tell your shona masters that, were was John Nkomo when we were starving, eating pap and water, you will not cross this line, I swear to Mzilikazi, it is better you are destroyed, how comes Malunga could talk of beer and be your hero, why this attack on Dabengwa, you will never ever cross this line, then it is better the nation disappears, you want to bet.

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#37069 - 03/30/08 10:37 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Zwangendaba]
omnyama Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/21/07
Posts: 97
Loc: banana republic
Originally Posted By: Zwangendaba
Bafowethu.

YEBO NZARAYAPENGA.

ULOKHU UHLALA LALO ISHONA LAKHO OWAWUSULILWELA LENDODA YALO?

WOZA BABA KU MPC. Mina lawe song'ama THONGA kanti manje ubhayiziswa yintoni?

Li Zwangendaba.


Zwangs,
Hayi bo, intombi leyana ibe ingumaNcube, iKalanga lakithi sibili!

Njalo uNdlala-ibhokile(Nzarayapenga), ngezeke abe lilunga leMPC, ngoba usenkingeni! Wafika eSA wazenza umZulu. Manje ukuthi abonakale esephilisana losapho lwaKwaMthwakazi angithi abantu beSA abaqambela amanga ethi ungumZulu sebezamangala, ukuba wenzani nama KwereKwere !! Lokhu ukusithuka yikuzivikela ukuze vele singasondeli eduze kwakhe ... ngoba imfihlo yakhe ingasuke ivele. Njalo kulicala elikhulu kuHulumente ukuqamba manga ngemvela yakho. Bangahle bamxoshe azithole esekwabo, le phesheya kuka Thukela, eTsholotsho!
Kunendoda eyayi senza iConstruction yathola icontract yokwakha endlini kaMbeki. Bamcungulula umvela wakhe bathola ukuba uyisizalwa seZimbagwe. Bamthathele iNkampani yakhe lakho konke alakho bamxosha wabuyela eZimbagwe engelalutho!
Ngakho, nimshiyeni bo uShamase! Ningamfaki enkingeni!

omnyama!

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#37073 - 03/31/08 09:47 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: omnyama]
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
Lami I also respect Dabengwa, he is the man. This topic ingikhuthile.
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#37090 - 03/31/08 11:14 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Msupatsila]
abafokazi Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 117
Loc: Luton, england
simba makoni and DD left zanu pf because they wanted to save their polical career they knew that if they stayed in zanu there was a possibility that they would loose. Basidla i dusty lababantu

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#37097 - 04/01/08 10:16 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
lvovo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 163
Loc: KZN
Dumiso Dabengwa effect

The Dumiso Dabengwa effect swept through MatLand. Just check at the voting trends of all the ZAPU strongholds and see. The guy still has what it takes. I give him enough respect.
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#37098 - 04/01/08 10:24 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
lvovo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 163
Loc: KZN
Dumiso Dabengwa effect

The Dumiso Dabengwa effect swept through MatLand. Just check at the voting trends of all the ZAPU strongholds and see. The guy still has what it takes. I give him enough respect.
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#37105 - 04/01/08 12:16 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: lvovo]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Ja uDabengwa uzamile ngempela. I saw him kwi BBC documentary on Sunday & was proud of his earnest & matter of fact attitude nge simo sezwe. He has put a front & a position that sought to put Mgots down. A front that even Jacob Zuma was proud & pleasantly surprised of - evidenced by his sentiments on SABC 1 tv news ngoLwesihlanu last week.

U-Dabengwa aka fani nama cyberspace secessionists who clammer for a pie in the sky. Archair specialists who specialise in hoodwinking abantu base Matebeleland, bethi they must boycott these 2008 elections. This is tantamount to voting Mgots. In fact, kuse ngenzeka yisandla soMgodoyi lesi. Or else they're these parochial pseudo asylum seekers who thrive on having Mgots rule forever ukuze bona onkabi banga suswa koNgilandi - bayiswe back ezweni labantu as soon as Mgots is defeated!


Truth is, a tribalist agenda is the last thing that's needed njenga manje. This is the time when people of all stripes must unite & force out Mgots ukuze izwe libuyele esimweni esi cacile. Lokho okwe secession will come later, post-Mgots, when the bread & butter issues have been tackled & all people have reclaimed their humanity from uku cakafulwa wuMgots!

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!
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#37115 - 04/01/08 10:38 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Mnewethu Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 66
Loc: uk
Ongenakudla hatshi uyibeke kahle indaba yakho njalo wayisekela langemcijo yakhona mina ngivumelana lawe. Abantu basuke balibale ukuthi into enza besabe ukubiselwa ekhaya uma besemazweni yiso isimo esibangelwe nguye uMgots lowo abangasafuni asuke kanti ke lapha emazweni kahlekahle akulampilo. Esimele sikubhekele yikuthi nxa uMgots engaphuma loba engakhahlela ibhakede mhlawumbe isimo somkhonomi singabangcono abantu baqale ukusebenzela ekhaya njengasekuqaleni sizibuyelele ngoba phela there is no better place than home.
Ngokuza emazweni there is a lot that people have sacrificed. Many people were forced by the situation to leave their loved ones bachithekelwa yimizi abanye balahla ama plans abo konke lokhu kubangelwa yisimo semali yelizwe. Kodwa vele khona siyaze silihlale nini elethi ilizwe madoda sikhathele ngokubizwa makhalanga,makwerekwere,ma asylum seekers,ma illegal immigrants lawo wonke nje amagama abhedayo.

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#38337 - 05/31/08 08:25 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
BATHWALIBOPHAHLA Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 88
Loc: UK

Quote:
simba makoni and DD left zanu pf because they wanted to save their polical career they knew that if they stayed in zanu there was a possibility that they would loose. Basidla i dusty lababantu


Limqaphele ke lu Makoni wenu. On the 29 March 2008 ubevotelwa as a presidential candidate waluza on the 29 May 2008 (ma ngingaphosisi) he is reported by Studio 7 etshela amareportes ukuthi iZimbabwe ayikho ready for ipresidential elections kakwenziwe iGNU njalo kungazekulindwe until 5 years kuvotwe kahle. 5 YEARS !!! phezu kokuhlupheka kangaka kwamaZimbabwean is it fair ukuti kulindwe yena aze azilolonge adequately for leyo presidency at the expence of uzulu ontulayo.U Makoni is now a liability to those abazisondenza kuye.He will hold you to ransom ngiyalitshela until athole ipresidency, he has seen it all and done it all, yisifundiswa futhi, into nje oseylindele yi highest post noma kanjani and uzimisele.

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#38353 - 06/02/08 09:37 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: Muntongenakudla]
nejana Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
Loc: mzansi
muntongenakudla, nami ngilambile mfethu
waze wayibeka, kodwa khona abantu bazimisele yini ukubuyela ekhaya uma kungenzeke iphume noma ife lenja. i dont think so especially those guys overseas, uma kungenzeka , uqueen uyabakhupha ngeshova.phela uMgabe lo okuvikwa ngaye uyabe esengaseko esithubeni, zilungiseleni madoda labo sisi.
fun enough is that even nengane zama ministers are assylum seekers, how appropriate is that. i feel sorry for the realy assylum seekers.


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#38369 - 06/03/08 05:36 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: nejana]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Nejana mfo kunjani? mfo ngithukuthele ngiganunwabu mfo. inkulumo yokuthi ma kungenzeka umgabe mbeki ashone noma ahlulwe kukhona abangeke basebuyela emakhaya. kusho umuntongenakudla nawe Nejana uvumelana naye. madoda lalelani la. iszwe sikaMthwakazi sigcwele everywere because sihlukunyeziwe. asizithandeli. nenziwayini nithi sinjenje ngoba sithanda ukuhlala emazweni? nikuthathaphi lokho? for your own information sasuka because sibulawa, sivalelwe yonke indlela yokusebenza, sihlukunyezwa ngama cio, police everything. sithi sifundile siphasile kodwa singayindawo.

sisuswe ngamatshona athi angakubona uliNdebele uhamba ngemoto enhle umiswe ukhuthuzwe, ufunwe lokhu nalokhuya. konke lokhu kwenzelwa ukukuhlukumeza ngoba uliNdebele. kwelezibambwe thina Mthwakazi asinampilo. asinalo ikusasa. asisawathembi amatshona. ukuthi kukhushwa umgabe kufakwa elinye itshona kusincedangani thina Mthwakazi?

masinikezwe ilungelo lokuzibusa singuMthwakazi ubone ukuthi bangaki abakwaMthwakazi abazosala ekudingisweni? futhi nje thina Mthwakazi siyawahlonipha amalungelo oluntu. like the freedom of association. if umuntu engasafunu ukubuyela emuva uyazi wenziwa yini ? ungaveli umgcone uthi akenze lokhu okufunwa nguwena.

okusalayo silana nje kungesintando yethu. sifisa kabikabi ukuyohlala emakhaya. ingane zethu zikhula kabi kabi kube kukhona abantu abafana nomumntongenakudla abasibiza ngama ceasationist who dream of a pie in the sky. he can say that but thina we will better die dreaming than die hapless in the hands of the tshona. wi will dream on with the hope that some dreams do come true.


Edited by duze (06/03/08 05:41 PM)

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#38370 - 06/03/08 06:08 PM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: duze]
makhokhoba Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 63
Loc: Old location
I support and respect your point, In Zimbabwe as long as you are a Ndebele you will never progress to the next level, engingayibiza ngokuthi yiglass ceiling ngesilungu. We see the opportunitys in life but will never attain them. Better for us sibe laye owethu umthwakazi so we can uttilise the chances we get in our society.Or kanjani.

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#38632 - 06/17/08 03:03 AM Re: THE REASONS WHY I RESPECT DABENGWA [Re: abafokazi]
cabucabu Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 89
Loc: Dallas
http://www.thezimbabwestandard.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18351:dabengwa-backs-tsvangirai-&catid=31:zimbabwe-stories&Itemid=66

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