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#37418 - 04/13/08 12:57 PM Gukurahundi Demo...
Skuvethe Offline
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BANG' KHAYA

LIYAMENYWA KWI DEMO MHLA ZITHI 19TH APRIL 2008, 3-6PM OUTSIDE ZIMBABWE EMBASSY IN LONDON.

INDEPENDENCE BROUGHT GENOCIDE TO US. IT IS TIME FOR DIRECT ACTION.

LET US GET THIS MESSAGE OUT THERE. INVITE OTHER MTHWAKAZI FELLOWS!

MEETING PLACE IS THE McDonald's Restaurant NEXT TO CHARING CROSS STATION. SEE YOU THERE AND BRING YOUR PLACARDS, BANNERS, IMPEMPE ETC!

POLICE CLEARANCE HAS BEEN SECURED SO COME OUT BAKWETHU. NO ONE WILL SPEAK FOR US BUT OURSELVES!


Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#37419 - 04/13/08 01:19 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Skuvethe]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
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Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Here is another opportunity and platform bakwethu to demand justice and raise the Gukurahundi issue by ourselves as surviving victims. The eyes of the World are still on Zimbagwe and what another opportunity to campaign on this issue.

Direct Action bakwethu, No room for Retreat!

WOZA AND BE HEARD AND DO SOMETHING FOR MTHWAKAZI!

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#37437 - 04/14/08 02:48 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
iBoyz yezkweyeni Offline
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Registered: 11/07/01
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Noma ngiyi 1 ngalolo suku kanginandaba, ngizawutshela umhlaba ukuthi isilonda sethu kasipholi.

Toyi-toyi madoda!(labo mama)

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#37447 - 04/14/08 09:36 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: iBoyz yezkweyeni]
makhokhoba Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 63
Loc: Old location
Kanti tell me when is itoyitoyi day elondon.

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#37582 - 04/20/08 05:12 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: makhokhoba]
lungani Offline
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#37584 - 04/20/08 01:23 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: lungani]
Manyathela Offline
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Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 37
Loc: Zim-Parliament
sicela i feed back from those who atended the gukurahundi demo

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#37590 - 04/20/08 04:27 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Manyathela]
Sgero Offline
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Sikholisile sanath' utshwala! Kanti ubungaphi Manyathela?
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#37592 - 04/20/08 04:39 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Manyathela]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
This was even much more well executed and the attendence great.

The banners were capturing and everyone and anyone wanted to get attention through the Gukurahundi messages! It was cameras, cameras, cameras no millimetre apart. As we speak the message is in their cameras ready to be printed out as photographs! There were clearly some who were riled but who cares!

A more detailed report is on the cards.

Mthwakazi was indeed in Action. There is power in the minority!

Many thanks to all those who came!

The campaign has just but begun! Next time be part of the action!

VIVA MAG!


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (04/20/08 04:41 PM)
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#37593 - 04/20/08 05:08 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
Sgero Offline
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It indeed was a well executed and organized event. The interesting thing was that even people who were not initially part of the group ended up very vocal and demonstrative about it. Baqoqi balombhikisho ngilitshayela ihlombe on taking the initiative and seizing the bull by its horns. It was also a great occasion to meet up with fellow Mthwakazians sixoxa sibonisana, not only about iGukura lomumo welizwe, but also on academic and social life esiphila kuyo.

Am already working on my banner for the next demo. I sincerely hope that ku next demo, Mthwakazians from all corners of the UK will be there eLondon for an even bigger and louder voice for the justice of our people. Kumbe lathi sizame ukucitsha umlilo we Olympics?

Hahahahaha Sinatha, sihlale lamajaha eStratford till 12 midnight sesitshumayeza ababengaya! And this time ngifuna ukuthenga i perfume emnandi ukuze ngiphume nginuka mnandi emapikitsheni.

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#37594 - 04/20/08 05:22 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Uyitshaya ekhanda Sgero. Those who were not part of it were the ones who took over and led the campaign. I enjoyed the power of those messages and the way they engineered the whole campaign abantu baba lentshukuntshu. Thina okwethu besekuyikubanikeza ama-banner ukuthi bawaphakamise njalo bathathe lezithombe zabo. That was exciting.

Next time kumele sizeni ngobunengi. The next demo details azoza and more time will be given ukuze abantu baziqoqe kakuhle.
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#37595 - 04/20/08 05:38 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
makhokhoba Offline
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Siwutshayile umzabalazo elandani kwashikisha ufudu. Ngethemba komgodoyi bazwile ukuthi sifuna ijastisi kuphela.
VIVA MTHAKAZI FREEDOM IS AROUND THE CORNER!!!!UYAWUZWA UMOYA


Edited by makhokhoba (04/20/08 05:43 PM)

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#37599 - 04/20/08 07:47 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: makhokhoba]
iBoyz yezkweyeni Offline
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Hawu Mthwakazi! Kanti isibindi nilaso nani? Haa, kube mnandi ukugiya sitshela umhlaba ukuthi 'Ayipheli, ngekiphele lendaba' as the Action Group slogan goes.

Nomandebele, nguwe lowana kanti? Mthwakazi, abetshabi bebane bhakane eline sithombe sika Mgabe elithi "WANTED: FOR THE MURDER OF ZIMBAWEANS SINCE 2000" Kambe shuwa! Since 2000 nje?
Safika ke thina siphethe awethu athi "We Haven't Forgotten the 50,000 Matebele Dead".

Mthwakazi, woza next time and be part of the action mani, kanti yini ngani? Siyabonga amasotsha nama sotshakazi abekhona izolo, labo abase Bhalagwe mine abasitshiya kabuhlungu will have been proud of you izolo.


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#37600 - 04/20/08 08:04 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: iBoyz yezkweyeni]
Skuvethe Offline
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uMthwakazi ulesibindi angazi kusuka kuthini. I know that next time sizababanengi, ngilethemba kulokho. Kube mnandi kakhulu bakithi ukubonana labantu bakithi kumzabalazo lo.

Asiyibambeni, singay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#37603 - 04/21/08 12:03 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Skuvethe]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Lami lingibale ngoba next time ngizaba khona. For interests sake, was Jazi there?
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#37606 - 04/21/08 10:26 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Mthakathi27]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Mthwakazi27,

We need you next time. Check this out as people grab our banners and do the campaigning for us! This was great!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zimbabwevigil/2428652905/

AND

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zimbabwevigil/2428652523/


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (04/21/08 10:30 AM)
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#37610 - 04/21/08 12:52 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
Well done guys.
I will leave you with one question: Who is the Butcher of Matebele?
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#37615 - 04/21/08 03:19 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Mthakathi27]
mbaleki Offline
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Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 86
Loc: Mawaba
Inja yeswina lyana okuthwa ngu Emmerson Mnangagwa is the one who has been noted down,and shall be remembered for being the butcher of the matebele.
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#37617 - 04/21/08 03:31 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: SINATHAMAHEWU]
mbaleki Offline
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Registered: 08/17/07
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I just saw the photos,now i dont know,ukuthi engikufisa kakhuklu ukudlula okunye yikuphi,is it to be in london for the next one,or to have our own demo la eSouth Africa,siyalibongela khonangapho,and sithi congratulations,we are very proud of you.
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#37626 - 04/21/08 06:10 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: mbaleki]
Sgero Offline
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Registered: 05/31/04
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Mbaleki, hayi mfana ungabuyi e London. Ibambeni khonangapho. Mina isicelo sami kubaqoqi ngesokuthi kumbhikisho olandelayo, kungaba njani sibe le concerted effort umhlaba jikelele? London was a success, now kanti nxa singayithatha world wide ngelanga elilodwa kungaba njani? Even e Siberia nxa ekhona uMthwakazian, abambe ibhakana lakhe eyedwa.

Kuyabe kuzakhutshwa igama ngaphambilini (for a heads-up) kuma news agencies ukuthi ngelanga elinje, uMthwakazi will be showing anger kulabo ababefuna ukuchitha isizwe. Ingamemetheka indaba le. Hahahahaah ngangithatheke ngemicabango kwezinye isikhathi lingixolele.
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#37633 - 04/21/08 10:16 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
Skuvethe Offline
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Sgero, lendaba yokubulawa kwabakithi ngeyethu sonke - as long unguMthwakazi, ngeyakho lendaba. Mihle imibono yakho, woza nayo sotsha lakithi siwutshele umhlaba ukuthi ngeke sakhohlwa.

Mbaleki, lami ngizagcizelela ngithi ibambeni khona lapho eMzansi(nibize nongelakudla) libatshele ukuthi isizwe sikhona. For sure labo abalele ema mine shafts lakuma mass graves kwa Mthwakazi will have been very proud ngani.

Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#37638 - 04/22/08 11:01 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Skuvethe]
Nqoba Offline
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Registered: 05/15/06
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Loc: emabhonobono
This is a good idea which I suggest should not be left to sink off. To those who participated in London, amhlophe bafowethu, ngilitshayela ihlombe, since I joined this forum it probale is the only practical move I have seen kwezepolitiki. Mawulumathe umlilo umemetheke. South-Africa idobheni lani, akwazi umgabe ukuthi just across Limpopo ziyabuya njalo ziyahaqaza!!!
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#37639 - 04/22/08 11:44 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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That is an excellent idea Sgero whose 'time has come'.

The london demos are merely an epicentre of the waves for the call of justice for this issue! Their aim is to create some fire to rage around the globe wherever Mthwakazi people are and indeed create a wave of protests/demos about this issue

Any Mthwakazi person should feel free to mobilize people for the next Demo, so they can demonstrate lana bakhona. Mbaleki, ibambeni eNdazula next time.

What we are merely doing is to facilitate this, ignite the fire and then let the demos spread like fire in some savanna dry grasses.


MTHWAKAZI ACTION GROUP SAYS: KAYIPHELI NGEK' IPHELE LINDABA


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (04/22/08 11:44 AM)
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#37654 - 04/22/08 07:27 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Nqoba]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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This is not to pour scorn nor to besmirch those that participated in the demonstration on Saturday. Some of those people that participated are people that I hold in esteem and in high regard (the likes of Sgero). This is to ask and to pose serious questions in the hope that serious answers will be given. Let questions be asked and let truth be told!

What is practical about milling on a street, placard in hand, in Central London on a Saturday afternoon?

What precisely was achieved by this demonstration?

As a result of this demonstration and the one before it what has changed in that god-forsaken country?

As a result of demonstrations in the pipeline what will change?

From lending the world's ear (or is it ears) we have moved swiftly one to lending the world's eye (or is it eyes). And once the world's eyes and ears have been lent what will change?

Perhaps when the world finally decides to lend its fists perhaps change will come and with it freedom. For the fists of the Matebele and the rest of Zimbabwe remain firmly in their pockets. Lily-livered with big fat yellow streaks running down their backs, their hands remain firmly and deeply in their pockets as they seek to borrow the world's body parts in bits and pieces for their own are too delicate and sancrosanct to get down and dirty to fight for their own freedom and well being.

I fail to understand the back-slapping, the congratulations winging their way from one continent to another, the overwhelming sense of achievement and attainment when nothing and absolutely nothing has changed. I would understand if these brave heroes had marched, placards in hand and megaphones blasting down the streets of Bulawayo or yet, better still down the streets of Salisbury telling the butcher of innocent men, women and children that they have neither forgotten nor forgiven him and his cabal for those acts of inhumanity against them. Then I too would join the throng, the happy and merry band of men back slapping and congratulating for then there would be no room to deny their bravery, then there would be no room to deny the risks and potential sacrifices that these fellows would have taken. Congratulations would well and trully be in order. But as it turns out this was no act of bravery, with few or little risks associated with the activity other than perhaps the chill of London in early spring (and for those so inclined too many Mcburgers from just down the road). While these fellows were milling in The Strand, six thousand miles away Fist of Fury's attempts to steal an election were in full swing, his thugs were dorning their hob-nailed boots, dusting their sjamboks, machetes, knobkerries and other paraphenalia of torture preparing to maim fellow citizens for daring to stick up two fingers at Fist of Fury.While cameras were whirring away and websites being up-dated with the latest photos from the demo inflation was slowly but surely climbing to astronomically telephone number figures. While the world's eyes were being sought, the suffering of the people continues unabated.

Let the truth be told

I doubt if Fist of fury spent a sleepless and restless night because of this demo.

I doubt if Fist of fury is any step closer to the Hague as a result of the mcdemonstration.

I doubt if the world is willing to lend its ears nor its eyes as a result of this mcdemonstration

I doubt if the crisis in that blighted land is any step closer to abating as a result of this mcdemonstration.

Having said that, there is no denying the sense of purpose and achievement by those that were there, there is no denying their passion and thier hope. But let the truth be told and if the bubble of euphoria is burst in the process then so be it.

Let the truth be told

I am afraid that what this demo epitomises is what can be best described as rocking chair philosophy. When sitting in a rocking chair, one tends to do the most obvious thing, that is to rock. While rocking clearly you are doing something but also equally clearly you are going nowhere - fast. And so it is the millions that have fled that blighted land instead of standing up and being counted would rather mill about the streets of London town, in the case of some make phone calls to insignificant officials back home, others yet still come to websites such as this to hurl abuse, make claims and counterclaims, post vitriol and all manner of vituperative and repugnant ideas and ideals, others yet still conglomerate around telephone conferences and spawn organisations such as the MPC (Mthwakazi People in Cyberspace perhaps?) Umhlahlo weSizwe sikaMthwakazi all toothless and paper tigers because all these things give a sense of doing something (rocking) in the face of overwhelming impotence. In this august site we have learnt about irredentity, we have had fierce yet informative debates about secession and federalism, a clown or a thug ( I'm not sure which) has recently put up post about "revisiting self determination and international law" All rocking chair moments - doing something but going nowhere fast. Mthwakazi in general and in the diaspora in particular has had many rocking chair moments and on the evidence of what we read above more are sure to follow.

This rocking chair philosphy not only afflict Mthwakazi. No sir-ree. Look no further than what Tsvangilayi is doing in the aftermath of the elections of 29th March. He has abandoned his home in Salisbury for a tour of sub -Saharan Africa. Like Mthwakazian fellows before and after him, he seeks to lend an ear here and an eye there while Fist of fury confounds hims at every turn. This Tsvangison is the same man who after being cheated in the 2002 elections on being asked "what next" abdicated his responsibilities and said "It is up to the people to decide" The people decided nothing. Indecision was final and another six years of Bob ensued. Six years later this same Tsvangison is asking the people to decide but not the people of Zimbabwe but other despots and tinpot dictators of that blighted continent.Why is he not appealing to and leading the people of Zimbabwe from the front? Why oh why are they not publishing and printing pamphlets to the effect that no matter how hard the shower of fists raining on the people when voting day comes, in the ballot box where you put your cross will be a matter for you, your conscience and your god? Why is he not in Zimbabwe devising strategies and counterstrategies to nullify those of Mu-a-bee and his coterie of hangers on? This is Tsvangirayi's rocking chair moment- yet another one and more are surely to follow.

Change in Zimbabwe will not come from without. Change will not come from borrowed ears, eyes or noses.For as long as these rocking chair moments continue change will remain elusive. Change will come when the people wake up to the fact that they their eyes, ears and noses are in perfect working order. Maybe then their fists will have to rain down on the geriatric and his cabal of hangers on to effect this change. Change must come from within.

Justice for the victims of the genocide in Matebeleland will not come from without Zimbabwe. Justice for the victims will not come from milling in the streets of London with a placard in tow
And so too, so long as Mthwakazi continues down this path of rocking chairs it will be a millenia before the changes she craves are about.

Finaly, it must be re-iterated and re-emphasized that this is not about pouring scorn or belittling those that participated in the demonstration or those that seek to participate in future demonstrations, but this was/is about seeking to fathom what it is that demonstrations such as the on Saturday seek to achieve. Can someone somewhere make the case that Saturday was not yet another rocking chair moment.
Let those who seek to demonstrate in the streets of London do so without fear - this is not about stopping grown adults from engaging in a lawful act.
Thus to paraphrase Margaret Thatcher "You can rock if you want to this mother's son is not for rocking."
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#37655 - 04/22/08 09:06 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
iBoyz yezkweyeni Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 11/07/01
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Oh futhi nikisi! Jazi ndodana, uphethwe yissifo esithiwa "itchy-fingers syndrome". Umuntu odliwa yilesi sifo uvele abhale incwadi ezinjengezakho kanye lo mnewenu ongelakudla. Abelungu bathi "you can start a fight in an empty room". Nguwe lo!

Kodwa-ke, hayi, hlala ke wena ku "armchair [critic] philosophy" thina sibe ku "rocking-chair philosophy" ilungelo lakho ndoda. Ngiyabona usebunzimeni - uqala ngokuncoma umsebenzi walabo abaye ku demo, in the same breath, uphinde usole. Recognise what this is called?

Abalele emagodini eBhalagwe were proud of iDemo leyana.

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#37658 - 04/22/08 09:44 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Jazi baba let it be said that, this your criticism is your own 'rock chair philosophy' that remains engraved and engrossed in the Cyberspace that you deride everyday in this forum. How ironic this is.

Kusenjalo we are embracing critics as we soldier on and then shun our detractors. What we have started is not for our detractors but for the dead and surviving victims of that genocide. Therefore we have no time for them and we will not argue with them! Doing so will be disrespecting our dead and soiling on their rememberance and memory.



Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (04/22/08 09:47 PM)
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#37660 - 04/22/08 11:09 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: iBoyz yezkweyeni]
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Jazi

Ngiyabingelela mfowethu njalo ngiiyabonga ukungiphakamisa kwakho`emehlweni akho. The respect is mutual. Ngiyakuhlonipha njalo ngikubeka ezingeni eliphezulu othi lapho okhuluma khona, ngivula indlebe ngilalele.

Confucius said that a journey of a thousand miles, starts with one step. Ukuba kwami on that cold street in London ngiphethe i placard was, for me, a step in that journey of a thousand miles. It may seem insignificant in comparison to having taken that step ngise Zimbabwe, but it was significant for me in the sense that I got out of my comfort zone (ngekela lokubuyela eSabatheni in the afternoon) ngaphuma from the cyber talk and did something practical. Had I been in Zimbabwe, bengizakwenza engikwenze nge Saturday. I sincerely believe, highlighting the plight of our people should not be only confined to Zimbabwe, but to be taken emhlabeni wonke jikelele in different forms.

Kungifundise ukuthi kulabanye ngaphandle who share the same sentiments lami, sabuthana sabalihlekanyana. It got us talking; it got us sharing values, fears and aspirations. Ngilethemba ukuthi it was a step that will push for another step, kuzafika isikhathi where those steps will have covered a mile.

People have been up in arms lapha endlini yethu kuthiwa kukhulunywa kungenziwa lutho. I will still congratulate those who came out and did something. Ngiyabonga awugxeki those who took part, it is time we encouraged each and every little effort that takes and come up with suggestions on how to go about. I appreciate your constructive criticism.

Mgotsi may not have sleepless nights about it, kodwa with that 'rocking chair' there is movement and someone may notice that movement and help me to the next step. If I don't rock the chair ngihlale ngizinze, no one will notice that am uncomfortable in that chair or worse still am even on the chair.

From the demo, I have had the pleasure and honour of meeting fellow Mthwakazians and other people who have shared my sentiments on gukura and other Mthwakazi related issues. Kusasa sengizakwazi ukuthi nxa ngikhuluma ngento ethile ka Mthwakazi, there are people who will listen to my cry ngoba ngibabonile.

Your criticism mfowethu ngiyayihlonipha ngoba kusasa izangenza ngibe better prepared for the next step. Imibuzo oyibuzayo izangenza ngiyibuze in strategizing for the next step in the journey of a thousand miles. Sizafika ngelinye ilanga.
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#37666 - 04/23/08 07:15 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Mr Sikele - scissors yodumo

Well, ndiya kuva mhlekazi. Ndivile into kokuba umbhikisho wenu apho e-Landani uqengqeleke kak'hle. Enkosi, siya bulela.

Wuvo lwami ke lolu. Phecelezi, this is my perspective. Mna ke, I agree fully ukuthi lokhu enikwenzile kuyi step forward. Just one step. Now, let this step be a precursor to bigger things. Let it usher a new era of taking the necessary steps to see to it that justice is delivered for the victims of lolo dlame loMgots nezi nswelaboya zakhe. Let it be clear that the agenda is not to merely highlight the issue overseas kubelungu who care less about the value yempilo yomuntu omnyama. Let it be not a farce parade in the eyes of the very British who remained silent & allegedly "neutral" (most probably in cohorts with Mgots in his mad moment) in the face of Mgots unleashing udlame kubantu abamsulwa. Let it not be a spectacle in the land of Her Imperial Majesty, who knighted Mgots in 1984 (is it the right year?), as if to congratulate him for a job well done in butchering abantu abamsulwa.

Let this demonstration be a harbinger to tangible steps that will see to it that the genocidal maniacs zoMgodoyi get the justice they deserve.

Madoda, there's an opportunity I see on the horizon. There's a small window of hope. Come with me & peep niyi bone nani. Nansi: the country is hanging on a cliff edge. Kumanje nje, Mgots & his goon gang are under presssure. The whole world is demanding results ze election. An election that he clearly lost. Kunjalo nje, his erstwhile SADC fellows are tightening screws on him - buka they refused passage of his Chinese guns, and the ANC itself is condemning Mgots while Mzambikhwe (of all places) also refused the passage yezi xhobo zase China. Kuse njalo futhi, on the home front, hyperinflation is rising fast everyday, izinto ziya ziba nzima ngamandla & printing money won't work in the medium term. People are hungry & angry on the streets & no amount of repression will suppress them forever.

Uma ngizwayo, in that politburo meeting, kuthiwa uPerence Shiri, Chiwenga noGono said point blank kuMgots ukuthi uma eshiya phansi intambo zombuso, then ubafaka enkingeni. Meaning, they know the noose is tightening on them. They can't get away with the Matabele genocide & Murambatswina demolitions - crimes against humanity.

In the backdrop of this, it'd be wise for you guys to join in the spirit of the moment. Build alliances with forces fighting for democracy in that country. Make the MDCs (both stripes) & Makonis of this world see ukuthi you're on their side & have a role in the future of the post-Mgots era. Participate kuma debates & forums in various media forums, alongside these guys. Present a face of Mthwakazi victims & ensure your visibility in the fight for a new order that'll bring justice, truth & respect for human life (including Mthwakazian life). Manisu kuthi isolate yourselves from all issues Zimbabwean - lest other people decide your fate & render you irrelevant & forgotten.

I was impressed by Paul Siwela the other day on SABC Africa. He phoned during a debate on Zim. He talked of the genocide. No one paid attention coz beku nabo Mutumwa Mawere & other Shonas on the panel. Now, what impressed me is: it shows ukuthi there's opportunity for you guys to break ground & be heard eventually. And the more you send reps to such platforms, the more you'll have a stake in a post-Mgots era & the prosecution of the genocidal goons will be a logically expected step.

Ngemva kwalokho, akukh' okunye madoda. Umzabalazo uya phambili.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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#37668 - 04/23/08 07:21 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
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Jazi
Quote:
Perhaps when the world finally decides to lend its fists perhaps change will come and with it freedom. For the fists of the Matebele and the rest of Zimbabwe remain firmly in their pockets. Lily-livered with big fat yellow streaks running down their backs, their hands remain firmly and deeply in their pockets as they seek to borrow the world's body parts in bits and pieces for their own are too delicate and sancrosanct to get down and dirty to fight for their own freedom and well being.


For the first time i have to agree that you are a rare talent, you are gifted in analysing and evaluating purposes, actions, processes and systems. I am not in any way trying to buy your favour, i will remain your critique. Having said that i do not agree with what you said, you seem to suggest that it was pointless to make this demo, you put it as if the purpose of the demo was to give 'Fist of Fury'some sleepless nights. I don't know what the purpose of the demo was but what i know is that giving MR Fist of Fury sleepless nights was not one of them.

After reading your long bible, i was left with two contrasting views of you, the first one is a positive one. The piece you i copied and pasted here, to me shows a man who is iching for a real fight, a man who has set himself some standards to measure a desirable and respectable fight. This to me suggests that not all is lost, what you need to do is to come down from your high chair, mix with the ordinary people, eat what they eat, feel waht they feel and influence them from within.
The second view is not so positive, because it portrays your image as a gravely disturbed soul. A man who does not want to see Mthwakazi making any efforts at highlighting her plight. You wrote the longest bible i have ever read.
Say what ever you want to say, but i think you are a rare talent even though you are misguided at times. I am waiting to see you giving an unconditional praise where it is due on one thing Mthwakazi.

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#37671 - 04/23/08 09:50 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Madlenya]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
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Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Bakwethu let me say one thing. The issue that informed and started this was the realisation that Mugabe and his fools are on the spot light and indeed on the international radar screen for their political wrongs. The international community at large is angry and want these fools out.

But more than that, domestically, the economy is laughing at them and screwing their balls big time. Further Mthwakazi and Zimbabweans are angry and want nothing to do with them. We then decided to invade that Vigil for it left out Mthwakazi and Mthwakazi issues. For instance, it chronicles Mugabe's murderous forays as starting in the year 2000. The people who are said to have been killed by Mugabe are listed as from the year 2000. There is a banner there that states, 'Mugabe Mass Murderer For The Past 8 Years'. Nxa unguMthwakazi that would really make you angry but you have to channel than anger positively by demonstrating and putting your issues accross lawe. Ungahlala you loose the game! We have been loosing this game. But now is the time for us to prsent ourselves kwi-maplaforms and fight for our corner!

Now when we invaded that platform, we changed all that. We refused and we still refuse that Gukurahundi should be swept under the carpet. When these people scramble for our banners, one at times is made to conclude that they are guilty of an attempt to sweep Gukurahundi under the carpet. Now that we have exposed their silly tactics, sebeza ngobunengi bethatha ama-Banners ethu. One fella was complaining ngama-Banner la aweGukurahundi ethi why singafakanga uMrambamaswina. But these are the people esibathole bengela Banner of Gukurahundi. Basically what they are saying is that we should fight their wars and they are not going to fight our wars. But at the same time kangibasoli for fighting their wars. Ngibasola where they urge us to fight their wars. We fight our wars and not fight for them if they are not prepared to fight ours. There were many people abakithi who were there for this Vigil fighting other peoples' wars but without raising i-Gukurahundi beBusy bebanga umsindo with some banners athi Mugabe became a murderer in 2000. Sithe sifika thina, it got them out of their sleep and made them discover who they are. Bavuka bama laphana bathi raise ama-banner without a shame. This Vigil has been going on since 2002 and in its entire existence no Mthwakazi has ever raised the Gukurahundi issue there in terms of a demo and ama message athi 9-9 ngayo. So this is an achievement and what we will now be doing is to strengthen its message and spread the tentacles of this issue accross the globe and build alliances with local groups koMthwakazi that are already raising this issue under difficult circumstances. We will work with them and make them more vibrant resource wise.

We have stated categorically that this issue has just but begun.

KAYIPHELI NGEKIPHELE LINDABA


Edited by SINATHAMAHEWU (04/23/08 09:52 AM)
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#37676 - 04/23/08 04:17 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Sgero Offline
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Registered: 05/31/04
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Muntongenakudla

Mnewethu ngiyabingelela. Ndiyavuya mhlekazi (lapha ngithemba lami ngitshaye kuhle iSiXhosa).

Abadala bathi injobo enhle ithungelwa ebandla. Sesiyithunga ke manje la. Umbono wakho ubanzi, ujulile, ngiyawuthanda. Together wena, lami labo bonke abalesifiso to see this as a percursor to bigger things sizabambisana as you have done here ngembono langezeluleko zakho. I'm peeping with you seeing the opportunity okhuluma ngayo and will go forward one step more towards making this a reality.

Ngiyabonga.
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#37683 - 04/23/08 06:18 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Registered: 04/11/03
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Sgero
I read your response and I was humbled and enlightened at the same time. I set of posing serious questions and demanding serious answers. I said let truth be told and damn all the consequences. You, sir, have furnished the serious answers I sought and you have told the truth as you see it in the process. I am well and trully humbled

I was humbled by the thought that a journey of thousand miles starts with one step.
I am humbled be the thought that Saturday's demo was that small step.
I am humbled when you state that had you been in Zimbabwe then demonstrating as you did on Saturday in London would have been something that you would done. I do not doubt that and I am humbled and you have helped me to see the demonstration in a new light. I wish you well in many more demonstrations to come.


Sinathamahewu
You second contribution to the topic answers a lot of the questions that I posed. Again I am enlightened - perhaps one day soon I shall leave my rocking chair to join in the fray.

Madlenya
Again I am humbled by your response to my earlier post. A lot of the time the temptation to lash out is just irresistible particularly in the face of ideas that would be best described as strange or odd.You can rest assured that you have not bought my favour by that post of yours. I am however confused by references that you make coming down from on high to mix with the people. But that is a matter for another time and another place.

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#37696 - 04/24/08 07:35 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
Skuvethe Offline
Nduna

Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 405
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
Bandla;

Umfoka Mahlangu, uTisha uke wacula ethi "uma kungena nto ongayisho, awuthuli ngani?" Sometimes, I apply this principle to myself and would urge some people to do the same.

Let's stay in focus. How anyone can criticise a real, live and practical step such as the one taken ngamajietas lama cherrie last Saturday is beyond me. Sometimes we intellectualise,even when/where we shouldn't.

I feel proud for being at the demo and I was there not for the purposes of intellectualising but to remember those who lie in mass graves like animals in the forests of Matabeleland. Dead and decayed as they are, I'd like to think they too, 'felt' pride in our actions. Thel' umlilo Mthwakazi! Asiwutsheleni umhlaba kanye nabathakathi bezigodo abayibo ababulala abantu bakithi. Singa jindi!

Kunjalo-nje, ibambeni ngempela siyibone. Thel' umlilo!
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#37698 - 04/24/08 07:48 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Skuvethe]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
am i dreaming or what? nguJazelindizayo lowu, nguMuntongenakudla lowu? hhayi madoda ngibambeni maybe ngiyaphupha, ngiyaqala ukuzwa lamajaha ebhala izinto ezinhle njalo ezipositive ngalendlela. lingincwebe lingitshele ukuthi angiphuphi. maybe these guys are not what they want us to be they are. angikaze ngiyibone iimprovement enje mina. so these guys are not just empty vessels, into abayifunayo yikusibona sisebenza, siphume kuma computer, seqele celeni, sithwale imikhonto yethu. angazi loba lokhu kuqinisekile.
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#37700 - 04/24/08 08:32 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Jazi

Ngiyabingelela mnewethu. Ngithanda ukuthatha umutsho wakho othi, "whenever people agree with me, I always feel I must be wrong." Ngivumelana lawe njalo ngilethemba elikhulu lokuthi abanengi bavumelana lawe ngemibono oyibeke ngaphambilini, ngakho in this case, ayi jahalakithi, you are not wrong.

You have thrown the cudgel to emphakathini, let each one of us pick up 'his/her cudgel' in the form of ideas, actions, criticism, support in whatever manner to this noble cause. Each one of us has a talent that maybe utilised in this cause: doers will do; talkers will talk; thinkers will think. Indlu ayakhiwa ngu bhilida yedwa - there is an electrician, a quantity surveyor, udaka-boy, plumber, plasterer lomantshingelani ogcine izitina ukuthi zingantshontshwa.

Together sizayakha into eqondane lathi. Likhuhluze igula mnewethu, kuyadingeka now and again. Ngiyabonga
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#37702 - 04/24/08 09:09 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
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Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
Jazi,

Baba Jazi it appears sesiyohlabela from the same platform on this burning issue, our issue and every Mthwakazi's issue. I need to reciprocate that kind of maturity. Kasiyibambeni and move forward and be inkatha yesiZwe ezovuthisa indaba le.


KAYIPHELI NGEKIPHELE LINDABA!
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#37703 - 04/24/08 11:08 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Mthakathi27]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Registered: 02/12/08
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Loc: UG
Ngibongela lina elijabulayo ngoMuntu loJazi. Mina I m not buying such a cheap story! Umuntu loJazi angeke badlale ngengqondo zabantu kanje. I have said it before and I will say it again we are not joking here, we are not jokers. One can not "break" the law that good may abound. NO MATTER HOW OVERPOPULATED A REGION MAY BE, YOU CANT GO KILLING PEOPLE THAT YOU MAY CONTROL THE POPULATION. If they meant good why are they stopping now, for we have not yet arrived where are going. Zimbanje kuphela lezi. Bayeke vele ismoko sabo lesi. I can understand a change of heart that says I m sorry, not such pride, the same everyday highmindedness we 've been seeing here. Its like their unmannered and uncultured behaviour was meant for the good of Mthwakazi, but everybody else could not work it out except the two of them. What has happened now, did they sit down and decide to change now? Have they been working together all along? Typical zimbagwe tactics. Filled with all deception and malice, vernomous, always ready to devour anythinhg that is good, striving on chaos and all unrighteousness, mother of all pride and hatred, hating all that is just. Rejoicing in the destruction of what other man are building. Mabephambanisile kabatsho bona ukuthu boneni and that they are repentant. Why are we beginning to suggest what they have been about. Ma bengesatshwa abafana laba, bayadelela, bayalingena ezikhwameni. Ngoba lingabantwana benkosi ngiyazi ligcweli intethelelo, ngakho qhubekani kanjalo lenza kahle, but mina lami ngizaceli intethelelo, for now Im not buying this idea, its total mischievious of these two geeezers. Ngisazoyicelivuthiwe.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (04/24/08 11:09 AM)
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#37704 - 04/24/08 11:54 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Jazelindizayo]
makhokhoba Offline
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Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 63
Loc: Old location
Let me tell you one thing jaha lekhaya, I was there ku Mzabalazo and it wont take this genaration, previous genaration or the next genaration you can only delay revolution but you can not stop it!!!
Mthwakazi 4 life

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#37708 - 04/24/08 01:28 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Makhokhoba lo Mthwentwe

Abadala bathi into enhle iyabukwa. Good ideas and constructive criticism are the cornerstone of any entity. Lapho okubi khona siyagxeka; lapho okuhle khona siyabuka.
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#37711 - 04/24/08 02:57 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Sgero
Limqotho eliphuma kowakho. Speaking for myself, ngihle ngaxolisa manduba, ngithe mina ngizoyicela ivuthiwe. Umbono wami yikuthi ngumqhumuzo nje lo. Angingeke ngiqambe amanga ngithi into ngiyayikholwa mina ngingayikholwa. Kodwa ingavuthwa angilamahloni ngizoyicela for sure.
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#37713 - 04/24/08 04:10 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
duze Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Mthwenwe mfowethu unjani ngempilo. mina ngisaphila.mfo labo jazi,muntongenakudla,shameson and co. angibathembi. all they have ever done here is to dicourage dismiss, insult and praise themselves.why the change of tone? they are tactically trying to buy our confidence, thats all.cheap tactic. if you analyse their speeches, all they said is what we have been saying all along. nothing new. listen carefully, you hear them say, your, you guys, nina,you Mthwakazian ect, what does that say about them? try to buy our confidence so that when beqala inyongo yabo we will be confused. sorry crap tactic. wethe proud Mthwakazians want out of this tshona hell they call zimbambwe. period. ask any true Mthwakazian the answer is the same. so how come they claim to on our side and yet they stand against our common goal. ayikho yonke lento ngumkhonyovu ngempela lo. sala kahle Mthwakazi omuhle.

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#37715 - 04/24/08 04:49 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: duze]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Duze
Kanjani lapho? Ye ndoda bathi yiconstructive criticism ma umuntu ethi "you're pigs ,you 're talking out of your behind, there is no marginalisation, no nepotism, no crisis in zim, alifundanga, you 're only just nurses , liyizidakwa" That on its own is not a problem to me. My problem is when we thank and praise these guys that they have stopped the constructive criticism. I think the fools have done it again , continuing to fool according to their folly. Thina sigrand, philani ngokuthula.
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#37721 - 04/24/08 08:47 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Mthakathi27]
duze Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Mthakathi nsizwa unjani la ukhona Mthwakazi omuhle? sisaphila kodwa isilo? phila mfowethu mina ngiphila khonalokho ukungasholutho. lendaba yalababhemi asebeziguqule beyond recognition ayikho mfo.they are employing a cheap tactic of buying our confidence. wena owazi isisho esithi [lala laluza sikwengule] lutho mfowethu lababhemi kuseyibo labaa esibaziyo, onhlamba,ominamina, abehluleki,abathi nxa bekhuluma bathi nina, your Mthwakazian illusionist, abathi ninyile. kuseyibo mfo. awubheke nje baguquka bonke beshayana amahlombe. skelemus, dont buy iskelemu sabo. if sebeguquke ngempela abasho ngani ukuthi cha, bafowethu indela ebesibona ngayo ibimbi. sebekhuluma sokungathi kade savumelana nabo kube cha nje savela sabachitha zisuka nje.bahlulekile ukusixova imiqondo ngoba sisame lapho nje sithi isihluku esisenziwa ngamatshona simbi sihlasimulisa igazi. thina asibafuni ukuthi they must be masters of our destination because they want to make us their slaves. angazi mina badalwa kanjani . bahlal kanjani nabantu abangabathandiyo? its beyond me ngempela.salakahle Mthwakazi omuhle.

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#37726 - 04/25/08 12:01 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Sgero Offline
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Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Mthwentwe

Nga utshona njani mnewethu. Ngikubambe umlomo masinya ungakalahleki s'khulu sami. Angizuphendulela uJazi lo Mnto ngoba they are very capable gentlemen who can take care of themselves. Ngizathanda ukuthi ngizilwele, ngamafitshane, okuqondane lami ngoba ngibona engani uhlephule enkulumeni yami when I said, "... constructive criticism ..." Wena mnewethu ubone kungcono ukuthi usike from my contribution what suited your arguement and in the process, you used it out of context. Nxa ubalisise kuhle i contribution yami, ngikubeke kuhle ukuthi where something is good, ngizayibuka; where something is not right, ngizayigxeka. I have stood against amajaha la womabili where I felt sehlukene ngombono and now lapho esivumelana khona ngombono, sekumele ngibagxeke futhi? Kutsho ukuthi nxa kunjalo am fighting people and not ideologies. Why re-invent a wheel ngoba lenziwe yisitha sami? Good ideas will always be good ideas irrespective ukuthi ziphume ngaphi, and any forward thinking person will embrace that. Ungakhuluma into enhle ngizayincoma; ungakhuluma engahambelani lami, ngizayigxeka.

Lapha ungizwisise kahle mnewethu, I'm not saying awuvunyelwanga ukutsho okutshiloyo ngo Jazi lo Mnto, you have every right to say that ngoba ngumbono wakho. Engikusolayo yikuthi uthathe inkulumo yami or part thereof, uyisebenzise out of context. Ngiyabonga.

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#37728 - 04/25/08 02:18 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Sgero]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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SGERO
AMATSHONO, wena nguwe umnewethu,mina ngingumfana.Ngiyabonga ukungibamba umlomo, ngingakalahleki.
Manje ma ngithetha lawe ngiyavunyelwa ukudla amalahle but wena awuvunyelwa ngoba nguwe ibhudasi, so abadala bayathi kanti wena Sgero awazi ukuthi longumntwana.
Ngikuzwa angathi uthi ngisike from your contribution when you said "constructive criticism" (cc) 1, and 2, uthi I used it out of context to suit my argument. Masibhekisane ithread yami #37703. (This is before your thread la wena okhuluma ngeconstr. criticsm) Uzozwa ngithi lamadoda kuqina ought not to do wrong that good may abound, ngizekelisa. Ngaqhubeka ngomzekeliso ngathi one can not go about killing people in trying to control overpopulation. Further, I said let us not suggest that these guys were about doing us good. Elaborating I mentioned that if they indeed meant us good why have they suddenly stopped for we have not arrived where we are going. Also I said its like their unmannered and uncultured behaviour was meant for good of Mthwakazi and everybody else did not work it out, except the two of them. Yini engikhuluma ngayo la ma ngithi "doing wrong that good may abound", killing people to control overpopulation" ? It is this "unmannered and uncultured behaviour" irough, idisrespect and ukuhlambaza akade bekwenza umuntu wonke la enkundleni. Namhlanje its like, ah thanks guys, sorry but we did not realise you meant good ma lisitshukatshuka all along. Uyananzelela ukuthi ubungakamention i cc mina ngibhala konke lokhu, but a few threads had been posted which were suggesting that these guys all along were criticising constructively, although none really used the phrase cc.
And Now Bhudas this is the context I m using the phrase, cc, well before you actually wrote your thread. Even in my latter thread when I actually use the phrase cc myself it is from this standpoint and in this same context. I could ask you a few questions but whats the point? Even now I can visualise these chaps standing aside bebambe amaqolo rejoicing. Mina awungonelanga lutho, njalo angisoli lutho. Ma kukhon' olokhu ukusola sengiyacel' uxolo. NGIMA LA.


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#37729 - 04/25/08 06:27 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada

Mthwentwehlaba1, mfowethu indlela oxoxa ngayo inhle kakhulu, awulwi, kodwa indaba yakho uyibeka izwakale. Uyindoda Mthwentwehlaba, ngiyayizwa njalo into oyikhulumayo. Mina lami njengoSgero, ngiyayibuka imibono yalamadoda, Mnto and Jazi. ungizwi kahla baba, angitsho before thisnjalo angitsho ukuthi bangeke baqhubeke ngemibono yabo langolimi olungamnandanga. Kodwa into enhle iyabuka, ingathi isntu sabadala siyatho sithi "Ingotsha enhle iyawaubiyela umuzi" babuye baqhubeke abadala bathi "uMthwentwe omuhle ngohlaba abaleleyo" ngiyaqala ngqa ukuthi ngibuke ulutho from kuJazi, kodwa ngendlela abhale ngayo lapha, ingenze ngacabanga kabili kathathu, ngabuyela emuva ngayafunda amanye amapostings akhe, sengiwabukisisa ngeso elihlukile. batshilo abanye ukthi umuntu kankulunkulu ulusiphiwo sokubhala lami ngiyavuma, njalo ngiyafisa ukuthi asisebenzisele uMthwakazi. Imibono yakhe eminengi angiyithandi, kodwa ngithe uma ngiyibukisisa ngathola ukuthi, uma njengoMthwakazi singakwazi ukuphendula imibuzo yakhe enzima ajayele ukuyibuza, lokhu kuzakwenza ukuthi sibe lendlela yokuthi sikwazi ukuqhubekela phambili silolwazi olupheleleyo, even uma sesihlangana lemibuzo efana leyakhe sizakwazi ukuyiphendula, singazilumi ulimi. yimi lowu obhala kanje ngoJazi, yisimanga lesi, abadala batsho bathi "ingotsha iyabuna, umthwentwe uyathundubala" babetsho besazi sibili.
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#37732 - 04/25/08 09:17 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Mthakathi27]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Babhemu

Mangizi phendulele bukhoma mina. I won?t stand on the sidelines, arms akimbo & let people juggle with my life & decide my fate.

Issue is, those who?ve followed my writings kusukela kudala le ko 2004. I mean those who do not selectively read my postings. They know where I stand on issues Mgots. They know I?m no enemy of any Mthwakazian. They know I?m not anybody?s agent ? that I?m nobody?s tool. And they know that I?ve time & again implored that all my writings must be considered in terms of their substance as opposed to their form. I?ve repeatedly recited this substance over form buzzword. That people must see the wood from the trees. That abantu maba xukuzise ugebhezi.

The sad thing ngoku sebenza ngo mphakathi is that, one is subject to misinterpretation & downright distortion. There are some fellas who thrive on ukunuka mina ubuthakathi la. Those are the fellas who follow me from thread to thread seeking to ostracise me for my difference of opinion, demonise me, seek to shame me & drive me away with lies & hate. They come up with ludicrous claims, label me a born & bred Shona, a goon, a Mgots supporter, Mgots henchman, CIO, Mgots sponsored saboteur, that I?m sibanibani wakuphi kuphi, that I played a role in the Matabele genocide, that I?m not welcome on this forum & must leave the site, blah, blah. The insults go on for weeks ? and we?ve all read them before. It must be noted that there?s no shred of evidence to support these frivolous allegations. Some even sink to despicable levels of starting threads calling upon me to quit this website.

Yet I have always believed that this website is a bastion of free speech. It is a site for a ping pong of ideas. It is a welcome compensation for the muzzled press yaKwaMgots. It is an island of democracy in the backdrop of repressive & draconian media statutes zikaMgots. It is a platform for all to be heard ? both olopholo nabo ngqesta. And as the French philosopher, Voltaire said: ?when there?s freedom of speech, folly will die of its own poison & wisdom will prevail?.

I may talk till the cows come back home. Suffice to say that, I owe no one no apology on this website. I have never sort to gag/silence anyone. I have always engaged every comer, toe to toe & with fierce competition on these threads. And I have never ever sort to label them with tags I can?t prove. I have always said the truth & let the heavens fall.

Ngoku njalo, it?s time those who hate me realise that they have to learn to live with my different opinions & accept that: siye hlukana ngemi bono ? kepha asi zona izitha. They must not try to pull a Jonathan Moyo inspired POSA (or is it AIPPA) stunt on me. Ngine lungelo lokuba la ? by the grace of the owners of this site. As such I won?t let any fellow forumite stand on my path.

Ngale kwalokhu, I can only remind them that, isiZulu sithi: ikhoth? eyikhothayo ? engayi khothi, iyayi khahlela!

I won?t bow to their whims. Neither must they to mine. After all, mina nabo asazani ? and I owe them nothing!

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!
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Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
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Futheka mnyekefuli.
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#37733 - 04/25/08 09:34 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Muntongenakudla]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
ungakusho konke lokho okushoyo mfo . okusalayo uyasolisa qha kwaphela. indlela obeka ngayo uvo lwaakho yoyona esenze sithi ungumkhonyovu wena. ungaze ube nombono ohlukile sonke isikhathi kanjani? uphikisa noma yini eza nanoma ngubani. uyaxova. mina kuyothatha a lot from you to justify your case. i do not belive ukuthi abantu bonke bangabona ukuthi cha bo nanku siphela wena uthi lutho. uhlala kuwuphi umhlaba wena. awubuzwangani lobubuhlungu obuzwiwa nguMthwakazi wonkana? cha ungapepeza mfo kodwa mina cha ngisafuna ukuzwa ukhuluma njengabantu bonke.

awubheke nje minengi imibono ehlukile la kodwa akuthukwana. wena nabangane bakho ningabakuphi? ayikho ungasikhohlisi mfo. noma usubona ukuthi uhlulekile usubuya ngolunye unyawo?

ungasitsheli into esiyaziyo uthi [platform of free speech, good website bla bla bladesh] siyakwazi vele lokho. sifuna ukuzwa uphawula ngale Grand Plan yenu.


Edited by duze (04/25/08 09:39 AM)

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#37736 - 04/25/08 10:38 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Muntongenakudla]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 360
Loc: UG
Mnto
Uyabona lamanje suyakhuluma like it was suggested you should stay on the sidelines while others discussed your life but nobody really did, unless you take yourself to your computer there is really nothing anybody can do about it. NJENGOBA UVELE USITSHO UKUTHI ASAZANI, LIMQOTHO LELO. Inkinga yikuthi silwani pho? And I want to be honest with you mina really I have done all this that you state that people have been writing about you. And the reason is that I am very angry with you. You assert that you have engaged every comer, toe to toe, with fierce competition on these threads but tell me yourself if this is true? Kuqinisekile na ukuthi wena uthe mina ngikhuluma out of my behind? Remember asazani, and I have just joined this site. This was following ithread yami where I mentioned about i-marginalisation. This to you is "toe to toe engagement and fierce competition on these threads"? May I remind you that even after all that I did not respond to such an unprovoked attack. It was not until a number of threads that I began to return fire in kind and lakho ngiqale ngikucela ukuthi ungangihlambazi and you continued ungilengisa nje. I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE LYING TO ONE ANOTHER HERE THAT ONE DOES NOT TACKLE THE MAN BUT HIS IDEAS. That is not completely true and truth being told, you should be my witness because you tackled me. In any case who said one does not tackle the man? Ma umuntu ezokutshaya utshaya amaideas akho kumbe wena. Sorry about this, but ma umuntu ezoku gwaza, ugwaza amazwi akho loba ntoni? So ma ungitshela nge-behind yami sekuyikulwa phela lokho, angitsho nje? I may not have joined this site kuma '84 but that does not make me any less Mthwakazi or human being than the rest of us here, or does it? Khona manje sekuyimi ophambanisileyo, ngoba I said in zim we were being marginalised. ILoba kwakungasilo qiniso kwasokufanele ngihlanjazwe phakathi komphakathi yebo?, ngoba angijoinanga ngo'84 or what? yayiphi leyo free speech oyithi this site is, yayiphi i-democracy, yayiphi i-platform for all to be heard? Khona manje sengiyabhodla and wena lokhu uchallenger. Mina ngicelu xolo.
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#37737 - 04/25/08 11:30 AM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Madlenya Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 195
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
Let the heavens fall, zindala zombili.

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#37742 - 04/25/08 02:20 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Madlenya]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Madlenya

For as long as ngila esigungwini, ngiyaxolisa bandla: labo abane serious problem ne free thinking yami, basazo phathwa yi-stress. Basazo phathwa zibhobo. Bazo phathwa ngama jikantamo. They'll have to learn to live with me - warts & all.

And it gives me the kick to know that everyday I'm a pain in their butts. A pain ngoba vese iqiniso liya baba kubona - bathanda ukutonyotwa ngamanga, bevumelana izinto ezingekho everyday.

Ngoqhubeka ngiwu xova ngama bomu umoya wabo. And uma bethukuthela kanjena - ngisuke ngazi ukuthi cha ngempela, they're learning a lesson in tolerance - the ability to stomach living in the same house with someone who doesn't agree with them. That I'm taking the Mgots ethnic prejudice & hate out of their minds. That I'm the redeemer, umsindisi - purging them clean of their Mgots inspired sins of hate politics & ukuzonda omunye umuntu kaNkulunkulu purely ngoba ewuhlanga thizeni. That I'm their saviour - getting them born anew, purged of all hate & prejudice of accusing all opponents as stooges, agents & tools of so & so.

I speak my mind without shame coz angina sono komunye umuntu emhlabeni la. I sleep well at night. I have never taken advantage of even one single soul ekuhlaleni nase kuphileni kwami. I have never, have not & will not perpetrate any genocidal crimes against anyone, treasonous acts against no one. Not even one soul in this world can come out in the open to say yena wangcungcutheka (was tortured) by my criminal deeds. I assess & treat every man based purely on their content of character.

Ngale kwalokho, isiZulu sithi: ikhoth' eyikhothayo - engayi khothi, iyayi khahlela.

Therefore, labo abangekho happy nge zimvo zami, well, ngithi kubona: nisazo gcwala njenge nip epokotweni.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!


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uShamase wangempela!
Umqwashisi - impohlo engenankinga!
Igcokama likaNdonga.
Isishwapha sikaSomkhele.
Yangcol' into ngayintshinga - bayicosha abafokazana!
Futheka mnyekefuli.
Ngiwuphula ngamabomu umoya wakho - yilento ekubulalayo!

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#37745 - 04/25/08 03:32 PM Re: Gukurahundi Demo... [Re: Muntongenakudla]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
montongenakudla uyazizwa uthini? [ukuzonda omunye umuntu ngoba engowolunye uhlanga] you mean sizonda amatshona ngoba engasimaNdebele. you are a saviour? zama mfokazana kodwa angeke ulunge. inkulumo yakho ilula kakhulukazi.ngiyezwa ukuthi ukhuluma ngami kodwa usaba ukungibiza ngegama. miana mfo amatshona angiwazondi ngiwawenyanya ngezenzo zabo. qha kwaphela.

aangingeke ngikufihle lokho. bangakaceli uxolo bahlawule izintandane nabahamba ngama wheel chairs, ababona oyise beboshwa ngentambo ku retshwe umama izingane zibhekile kutshintshiswane ngaye, ababegejiswa izidumbu ngezandla ,isidumbu esibolileyo, cha you are barking on a wrong tree. angifuni kuphindisela ngoba nginenkolelo yokuthi uMthwakazi uhlenzeke kakhulu. asikwenzi okwenziwa yini matshona. siyaziqhaja thina. impi siyayilwa kodwa with ubuntu. asibulahli ubuntu ngoba sisempini. omama nezingani siyabathatha sibenze abethu. umuntu esimbulala empini siyamngcwaba ngokuhlonipha. ninake ninjani? niyisizwe esinjani? kodwa vele ngenzani ngizichithela isikhathi sami ngabantu abafana nawe ngoba singeke sifane mina nawe futhi awungeke uguquke. uyohlala njalo uziqhenya ngokuxova imphemfumlo nokumela ababulali amatshona.

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