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#38120 - 05/23/08 08:10 AM Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance
lvovo Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
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The recent so-called xenophobic attacks on fellow Africans by South Africans speak volumes about Africa and her inhabitants.

Some of the utterances are:

.the citizens of Africa are failing to solve their African problems amicably

.the host citizens are totally unaware of humanity and its dynamics.

.the host government does not have in place sound immigration/refugee policies.

.African leaders are decadent, insensitive and lack pragmatic understanding of basic concepts like democracy, equality, freedom and rights which they violate willy-nilly everyday hence their subjects now cuddled in the RSA in order to exist.

.lack of understanding of the above concepts is manifest to all Africans.

.education should precede transformation to foster positive socialisation as Plato once observed that 'knowledge is virtue and ignorance is vice'-an assertion which still stands.

While the notion of a United States of Africa may be so romantic to the ear, Africans themselves are far from ready for it-rather they still need to know who and what they are and understand the basic principles governing humanity.

By Andrea Sibanda-Matabeleland Freedom Party MFP



Mina ngiyala ukuthi its ignorance. I do not subscribe to most of the points raised by the writer, save for the one which says the host government does not have in place sound immigration/refugee policies.
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#38145 - 05/23/08 06:59 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: lvovo]
Kirth_Dube Offline
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Registered: 05/21/08
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Loc: UK
It?s only a fool who opens his eyes and looks to the skies to see a rainbow and thinks its LIGHTNING. What kind of a civilized modern democracy does not recognize that people are interconnected tribally, nationally and so on. Countries like UK, USA, and Australia have laws within their tough immigration laws that recognize ancestry claims to citizenship in their countries and that has never killed anyone. South Africans a people who have a history of invading other tribes are so stupid enough not to realize that when immigrants from Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Zambia flock to South Africa, they are infact going home. It is high time for these Baas boys to grow up and smell the coffee.
Recently some of the Zulus manning the xenophobic roadblocks were heard while letting whites pass and black people being interrogated by them saying ?Myeke lo ngumlungu?how sad that they still believe umlungu yiNkosi.
We are not Aliens; singabantu njengabo, We have a Legal claim to citizenship through our ancestors. This is a good opportunity to take the matter to United Nations. Where are commentators like Gugulethu Moyo when they are needed most? Next time when they are called by the media they must put this issue across as well.


Edited by Kuzolunga (05/23/08 07:01 PM)
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#38155 - 05/23/08 10:56 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Kirth_Dube]
Skhotha Offline
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Registered: 01/16/08
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Loc: Empangeni
These attacks are fueled by ignorance and definitely wouldn't exist without ignorance. They aren't rooted in ignorance per say. If you look at the geographical areas where they have occurred you can see this. Jozi, Durban and Cape Town these places are miles apart. Why didn't it move from town to town but jump between major cities where the whole world can see?! Mob mentality is like lighting a bush fire. All you need is a spark and the forces of nature will do the rest. Let's not forget that ignorance can take many forms and is dependant on your viewpoint. To think that amaZulu are in every square inch of SA, manning road blocks in Cape Town and that only amaZulu live in hostels, shame.
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#38189 - 05/25/08 02:49 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Kirth_Dube]
duze Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Mthwakazi omuhle ngiyabingelela. phila mina ngisaphila. mfowethu lento enzakala e S.A iliphutha elikhulu on the part of the killers. the damage done will last for centuries. the hatred for south african by the people of the region will afect them for years to come.benze izilo. you dont hit a man when he is down. lokho kukulethela ibhadi. labantu ababulawayo ngabantu abahlupheke ngaphezukokuhlupheka. poorest of the poor. lizilo ukubulala umuntu onjalo. the south african has dug his own grave.

not long ago they were all over africa asking for help. now that they need to help the very people who helped them they kill them. its a shame.

let us not forget that i south africa yona nje its a shaky place. anything can happen at any time. kwakune traskai as a country. ciskai, bobuthastwana, kwazulu natal. kwahlanganiswa konke kwenziwa one country. very volatile indeed. any spark could ignite a volcano. then where will they go?

southern african migration has been going on for long,long times. there has never been something like this killing your brothers. i remember abantu baseZambia and Malawi ,oBanda babegcwele kithi besebenza asizange sibabulale noma sibabandlulule. sasihlekiswa yindlela abakhuluma ngayo isiNdebele. so amasouth african wona enziwa yini ukuthi abulale . benze iphutha eniyobalandela isikhathi eside. abazi na ukuthi ubukhosi ngamazolo?

inanycase ukuhlupheka kwabantu kwenziwa kwenziwa partly by the thabo mbeki supporting dictators. who says south africa will never have a dictator? bazobalekela kuphi na? even natural disasters can happen. its a shame.

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#38195 - 05/25/08 08:21 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: duze]
Emz Offline
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Registered: 02/16/08
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duze

eish! bafo maqatha amazwi akho, they did hit a man whilst he was down, yinzilo le. yizintandane lezi, nabafelwa, my sincere prayer yikuthi iNkosi ingawufulatheli uMzansi njengeZimbabwe, when Mugabe was declared by his mediums and fales prophets to be a messiah and infalible, he accepted the prerogatives of the Ancient of Days. sengathi iNkosi ingasikelela.

i happen to work with a South African GENTLEMAN, umZulu phaqa!, he could not face me after the first attacks news, he was in great anguish and shock. he believes someone is behind all this.

his line of thought is that, the British managed to stage tribal instabilities soon after the bush wars, however, the apartheid regime is having a shock of it's life, since the so-called idiots are actually managing and maintaining Africa's biggest economy with minimal flaws. and moreso nestling a real democracy, the apartheid propheses are actually getting a lil'bit longer to be fullfilled and the demise of the prophets is very disturbing and somewhat uncomfortable. therefor they are doing every act imaginable to dent every progress since 94.

WHY ZIMBABWEANS?

i asked, his take was that, the general financing of SAs GVT expenditure is in the hands of few apartheid bankers and in more hands of blacks, individual and cooperate financiers, and the apartheid bankers are having a torrid time against the indigenous competitors, for example the Maponya project, he said. it is rumoured to be ammassing a whopping ZAR15-20 billion a year, if this is true the former bankers have all the reasons to be afraid, with black empowerment becoming a reality day-by-day, and the new competitors, are obliged SA Gvt to keep their rates and profits at acceptable and regulated levels, as opposed to the monopoly once enjoyed by the former bankers. morover the 2010 project is becoming not only a dream come true but a morning reality, to the dismay of the former money lenders, their help and expetise is neither sought after nor mentioned, even in a proverb.

the Zimbabwean skilled, semi-skilled, un-skilled and diasporan workforce is dumping an estimated ZAR5 billion every single month, i had my reservations on the figures and still do, his argument was that every breakfast served in Zimbabwe including that of the two presidential hopefuls/fools, comes from SA serve for the water from the community borehole/well/bushpump/indirayi.

THEN WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS?
i asked oncemore, his view was that, these are sponsored and well paid terrorists, who might be South Africans or outsiders, even Zimbabweans (i thought, with gukurawundi, and amaWhorevets oJabulani Sibanda labanye bakhe in mind), they are just capitalising on the mindset of every well meaning South Africans who find themseves being neglected by the Gvt, like any other country even UK and the overglorified America.

my own conclusion was that, statistically, his line of thought remain his, can not be taken to be a representative one or the general, however i believe kukhona okuzovela and criminals will definately be brought to book. lokuthi abanengi sebengenele baphathisa kuloludlame bengazi ukuthi bayasetshenziswa.

after my friend and Skotha's expression of sympathy kulabo abakwethu abazithola sebephezulu kwendawo elukhunu(xenophobia) ngaphansi kwembokodo(murambatsvina), kuyangikhanyela ukuthi lesisenzo singathi silabaphehli angeke ngithi ngamabhunu kodwa ikhona indoda ezovuma. however, the ditractors are not done yet, they know the patience of the South African masses will soon weary out and has a very low ignition point, all they need to do is to give a lil' spark, of which loludlame might be one of the results, may be. their hunch is that thina abensundi have a reputation of neglecting detail and ignoring the small building blocks, like when Mugabe refused land and opted for the rosey statehouse as opposed to a farmyard fromwhence the money he was receiving came.

sengathi iNkosi ingababeka etshatshalazini abenzi bobubi.

ngumbono nje kuphela bafowethu,ayixabene, abafowethu bavika amabhodlela namabullets ngisovalweni nami.

Gaz'lami.
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#38216 - 05/26/08 06:22 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Emz]
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
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This whole thing shows what really africans are like,kumbe ngamaZulu kumbe hatshi i does not really matter,who has the right to kill people because they came to seek refuge in your country,this for south africa is embarrasing,i wonder if people are still beating up their chest and say "Proud To Be South Afrcan",what is left there to be proud of?,AmaZulu wona vele they are brainless people who think they can solve everything ngeviolence,is'khathi semikhonto lamahawu sadlula,ngeke siphinde siphenduke,yikho mina i have always vehemently denied to be labelled as a Zulu,people with such senseless and outdated mentality,though we cannot blame all Zulus collectively,Ke lingtshele ukuthi le world cup yakhona isenziwa njani?.

They should fight Aids and Poverty not other poor people.
Heartbreaking this is.
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#38222 - 05/26/08 10:38 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Mahlab'ayithwale]
Skhotha Offline
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Registered: 01/16/08
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Loc: Empangeni
Mahlab'ayithwale,
Ngiyasola ukuthi awukaze ubuye ekhaya kunembuzi edukile. Uyakwazi ukwelusa goba ngiyayibona lentwala uyiqhuba ngewisa.
Thina esikhona manje sikhona ngemsebenzi yobabamkhulu. It would be shortsighted to exchange ones culture for the sake of being accepted in the global village. We are not the same and we must appreciate that.
Weza kahle mfowethu unqabe uma ubizwa ngomZulu hleze uvevelwe umshophi ngalokho. Mhlawumbe nalabo abahamba benza okubi egameni lamaZulu bazowukhombha onotshwala.
Ihawu lami kanye nendlela engiphila ngayo liyangikhumbuza ukuthi nginguNobhada kaPhengane, uZikode uSikhota somlalane.
Angithandi ukukhuluma kabi nangokuchasuka ngoba akwakhi. Kodwa ngendlela abanye bakwenu abagiya ngethambo lesizwe seLembe kuyasifaka isifudumezi. Uma singamazimuzimu aphila ngegazi labantu besiniyekeleni sonke lesisikhathi? Khula mfowethu, wena ungathanda uma ngingathi izwelakwaMthwakazi ibhece lokuzigwazela nomawubani ? Akuyona inkulumo eyakhayo ngoba iliphutha.
Nansi ke le "crabs in a bucket syndrome" enokuveza ubusathane bayo. Sekufanele manje kuphazanyiswe iworld cup. Amaphoyisa asebophe more than 1000 suspects nophenyo lusaqhubeka kodwa wena usigwebe waqeda wazebona nemithelelo kwiworld cup! Kuhlanga kanjani? Akuwona umona lowo?
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#38223 - 05/26/08 10:58 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: lvovo]
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Our people are suffering. It is very sad.
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#38224 - 05/26/08 11:08 PM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Skhotha]
Skhotha Offline
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Registered: 01/16/08
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Loc: Empangeni
Nakhu okusalayo,
Just like ubaba uMbeki noShenge uMntwana wakwaPhindangene I say "I am ashamed as a Southa African that this had to happen lapha ekhaya!"
What really puzzles me to this day is why a few people on this forum want to pin the brutal act on amaZulu. One "brother" or "sister" said umZulu onguShenge went around pointing out ama-illegal aliens to be deported. That was refuted and ubaba uSteve Tshwete (MHSRIP) was infact the leader in question.
Kwaphinda futhi kwathiwa amaZulu avimba abantu ebuze amalunga omzimba ukuze athole ukuthi uyiliphi. Matubakithi uShaka wakhothama engakalinqobi elamaThembu. Which Zulu or maZulu were looting in the Cape? Or are you suggesting that we have a travel club to organise our favourite pass time of beating up poor foreigners?

It is very easy to hate, I know. I have fallen into that trap before. The only thing you have to do is shut your brain down and consider your unstable emotions only.
We don't learn wrong and right from any school. Inhlonipho nokuziphatha ukufunda ekhaya usakhula. Isintu sithi umuntu ungumuntu ngabantu. That isn't a college course.
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#38225 - 05/27/08 12:12 AM Re: Xenophobic attacks rooted in ignorance [Re: Skhotha]
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Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 89
Loc: Dallas
Originally Posted By: Skhotha
Nakhu okusalayo,
Just like ubaba uMbeki noShenge uMntwana wakwaPhindangene I say "I am ashamed as a Southa African that this had to happen lapha ekhaya!"
What really puzzles me to this day is why a few people on this forum want to pin the brutal act on amaZulu. One "brother" or "sister" said umZulu onguShenge went around pointing out ama-illegal aliens to be deported. That was refuted and ubaba uSteve Tshwete (MHSRIP) was infact the leader in question.
Kwaphinda futhi kwathiwa amaZulu avimba abantu ebuze amalunga omzimba ukuze athole ukuthi uyiliphi. Matubakithi uShaka wakhothama engakalinqobi elamaThembu. Which Zulu or maZulu were looting in the Cape? Or are you suggesting that we have a travel club to organise our favourite pass time of beating up poor foreigners?

It is very easy to hate, I know. I have fallen into that trap before. The only thing you have to do is shut your brain down and consider your unstable emotions only.
We don't learn wrong and right from any school. Inhlonipho nokuziphatha ukufunda ekhaya usakhula. Isintu sithi umuntu ungumuntu ngabantu. That isn't a college course.


Inhlonipho nokuziphatha ukufunda ekhaya usakhula, bravo

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