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#38451 - 06/09/08 03:05 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: bongani]
vunguza Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 129
Loc: emaguswini
But you are also a black person! I was just mentioning izinto ezifana le-self hate, but any way...

lalela-ke Bongani, ungafaki i-5th brigade phakathi, ngoba manje wena nguwe osusebenzisa i-logic e-tortured. a war situation vele ilokufa losizi, kodwa you cannot cause mayhem le-terror ebantwini ngesikhathi sokuthula, usebenzisa your ancient and tribal grieviences as justification. if you want ukuthatha back 'your' so-called legitimate space, then declare war and let people know what you are about. Lami lowo if you have the right reasons, njengeNdebele, I will support you. But you cannot go about usenza i-anarchy, behaving as if the world owes you a living, just because you think you have greiviences. Not many people can support you usehluleka ukudemostratha a genuine respect for human life.

it is amazing that you condemn ama-attacks on 'foreign nationals' e South Africa, yet you are quite ready to denounce amaShona, including ukubafisela ukufa. for me, lento leyo ungummangaliso and just goes on to show ukuthi abanye bethu kabazazi ukuthi bayini


Edited by vunguza (06/09/08 03:10 PM)
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#38452 - 06/09/08 03:40 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: vunguza]
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Sikhulu

Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 200
Loc: Afrika
heyi wena ndoda kanti yini ngawe, mina vele ngingumuntu omnyama, kanti awuboni ukuthi igama lami nginguBongani! AnginguCharles or John nginguBongani. Ngikhulumile ngabantu abamnyama kodwa bengikhuluma ngabantu abamnyama abaningi athanda ukukhotha izihlama zabelungu (angiyiboni mina i'self hate') actually its the opposite ngoba i am trying to encourage this people to stop izinto ze mental slavery.

Okwesibili wena ndoda laba bantu okuthiwa ngamatshona , yizitha zethu, hamba manje uye kuma website abo uzothola ukuthi nabo abakufuni. kufana namaJuda namaPalastina, siyingwe nenja. kodwa wena uthi abantu bethu babulawa ku war situation, yiphi lempi ebisilwa ngoba mina angazi ngayo? utsho ukuthi amadisidenti (just a few hundreds) u call that a war situation, give me a break wena mthandi wamaswina. tshiyana lababantu bebulalane bodwa akusindaba yethu lena, yebo khona kubuhlungu ukufa komuntu kodwa ukhumbule ukuthi yizitha zethu lezo. wena kanti wabavikela kangaka lababantu kutheni mnumzane vunguza, yindaba ungacabangeli abantu bakini abaqedwa ngopasi labo.

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#38453 - 06/09/08 03:52 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: bongani]
vunguza Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 129
Loc: emaguswini
kodwa uyazibonela ukuthi the bottom line is, umuntu ngumuntu, full stop. beyond that sesingafakana the different skins, white, Arab, Shona, Kwerekwere, etc so that singaqala ukuzehlukanisa thina sodwa. that's all fine, but to kill omunye umuntu because you tell yourself ukuthi they are different from you, like basapota i-Zanu or i-MDC, mina ngikubona kuyize ngoba that is a delibarate attitude engiyithathayo. If I am fighting an ideology yokuncindezelwa lokuhlukunyezwa, then I will fight that ideology, but in the relevant way and for those reasons. I refuse to fight i_shona just because liShona, and nothing else.
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#38454 - 06/09/08 05:06 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: vunguza]
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/09/08
Posts: 53
Loc: Tsholotsho
umthwakazi kabulali muntu wabulawa ngamaswina.now it's different story shona 2 shona. abantu bakhuluma angani umthwakazi is behind all this.yikho ngisatsho lakathesi ngithi kulungile imagazi abantu abafayo ayakhuluma yokho ubona kunje. wena ubesukhaliswa ngabantu abasesibhedlela belamanxeba kuphela.ungakhohla njalo ukuthi abantu emakhaya bayatshaya ndoda if ungatshotsha,ungadlwengula,ugathakatha bakwenzani abantu?thina sabona abantu bengelacala bebulawa ngamashwina.mina ngadutshulwa coz angizwanga isiswina bengibiza

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#38457 - 06/09/08 08:41 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: ngubo]
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 04/14/08
Posts: 63
Loc: Old location
I support and respect your point, In Zimbabwe as long as you are a Ndebele you will never progress to the next level, engingayibiza ngokuthi yiglass ceiling ngesilungu. We see the opportunitys in life but will never attain them. Better for us sibe laye owethu umthwakazi so we can uttilise the chances we get in our society.Or kanjani.

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#38462 - 06/10/08 03:48 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: makhokhoba]
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 89
Loc: Dallas
[quote=makhokhoba]I support and respect your point, In Zimbabwe as long as you are a Ndebele you will never progress to the next level, engingayibiza ngokuthi yiglass ceiling ngesilungu. We see the opportunitys in life but will never attain them. Better for us sibe laye owethu umthwakazi so we can uttilise the chances we get in our society.Or kanjani.
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#38465 - 06/10/08 07:41 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: vunguza]
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
Loc: mzansi
vunguza mfowethu ngizwa ubuhlungu ngizwa umuntu ekhuluma kanjalo ngokuzwela amaswina, mfowethu i have first hand experience yabeshabi, so i dont want anything to do with amaswina. as uMthwakazi i dont think ikhona into esibandakanisa labopasi. lababantu basibulala, emotional, physical, economic namanje basapusha igrand plan yabo. so loku okwenzakala manje bebulalana its nothing compare to Mat genocide. uyabona ke manje yekela zibulalana izinja kanye nasegoli lapha asibafuni, angithi babesixotsha bethi sibuyele eSA, sitshiye ilizwe labo, manje sebelibhoshele sebeza begijima bafuna ukuzobhosha lana futhi. mina ngabe kuya ngani bengizozingela one by one, its easy to catch iswina mani. bengibhekile kuTV on xenophobic kungathi inengi yikho lokhu okuyizinto okugcwele emacamps, akubuyela kwabo ka mgabe.
mina kangifihli bafowethu iswina ngiyalizonda noma nnini nanini angingeke ngilithande no matter at what level, yizinja lezinto.even iblazi is poluted ngakho lokhu okungabantu.

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#38466 - 06/10/08 10:14 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: nejana]
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Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 163
Loc: KZN
Mina ngilomoya ka Devuli, amatshabi ayazenzisa kakhulu. Why is ther such outcry when only a patry 50 has died, maybe ku 50 yonaleyo kulabantu abasitshiyileyo lakho. They think bona baqakathekile ukwedlula amaNdebele?? Kabake bezwe labo esake sakuzwa. Mina i independence ngilapha kangiyazi bandla. Selokhu ngathetshulwa yingwe ngisebunzimeni. Let them kill each other hatsho they united against the Ndebeles kweminye iminyaka. Kabafe labo.
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#38469 - 06/10/08 02:06 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: lvovo]
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Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/12/08
Posts: 3
Loc: Nkabazwe
I Gukura ya feza izinto izimbalwa "effectivelY" ezinye yilezi,
1. Yachita imizi, (destroying not only the social fabric of the Ndebele but also both political and traditional leadership, that leadership vaccum is so visible today) Soon after 1980 very few families had breadwinners and most of that age group had been actively involved in the war and politics of independence. They were the prime target of 5th Brigade.

2. Infundo yasalela emuva ematebeleland by 5years and those brothers who could assist with the education of their sibblings were either killed or they had to disappear as far as possible from home. (the region was in a state of war, Mashonaland had free education and peace and progress during this time and they would not tolerate any criticism of Mugabe)

3. Amandebele abeyizitha zesizwe. (in Midlands areas just being a Ndebele was synonimus with enemy of the state. Most speack shona so fluently today not out of love but it was a matter of survival)

How many shonas have you met that are sorry about 5th Brigade, they all claim they don't know. So lithi sibancenge ukuthini. Let them fight their moster we have shown beyond any doubt that we are a principled people by not voting Mgabe in all the past elections since Nkomo died.

When Mgabe is finaly defeated they will never acknowledge that we Ndebeles played a role, but will be praising their own. its not surprising that even those in MDC today still think and belieave that such 5th Brigade Mosters like Perence Shiri are heroes, oMbudzi are national leadership Material. But yes they are right because they are in agreement with what these guys achieved through the 5th Brigade.

The Mgabe regime gave shonas a head start against amaNdebele in all spheres of life, and what should we be sorry about when mgabe using the same machinery they praised him for yesterday is demanding of them to show that they are thankful by not refusing him another term in office.We should understand ukuthi omunye ukhala esebhasini thina esileyini. Those in bus want us to do what if the bus driver is drunk.

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#38483 - 06/11/08 10:44 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Hitshi_Hitshi]
Ntombiyenguni Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/12/08
Posts: 9
Loc: South Africa
lina mandevana with due respect ngicela like nikhohlwe nge kugura. some of have forgotten about it and moved forward with life l think you must all do the same. Firstly anifuni ukuya esikolweni and at the end of the day niblama amashona for averything its time to stop this nonsense bacause its irritating us.

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