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#38528 - 06/12/08 04:11 PM Umvukela wamaNdebele
bongani Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 200
Loc: Afrika
bengibukele uAfrica Magic ngempelaviki edluleyo, ngabona ifilimu yabetshabe okuthiwa 'flame'. it made me think of all the propaganda abetshabe are pushing, like in the film, they made it out as if yibo bodwa opasi abalwela inkululeko yelizwe. ngokuzwa kwami, kuthiwa amaswina abengamagwala, into ababeyazi yikugida ubusuku bonke betshaya izakhamizi ezintweni zabo okwakuthiwa ngamapungwe (sp). manje besicela phela amaqhawe empela aweZipra aphakame, lisitshele vele ukuthi leyo zanla yamaswina vele yake yabhekana lamabhunu kasmith! ngoba liyabona lencwadi zeHistory sekwaqala okungopasi ukufunza abantwana bethu ipropaganda yakho yezanla ukuthi yiyona eyalwela ilizwe hatshi thina abakwaMthwakazi. Kanincede badala ngoba mina sengidiniwe ngokuzwa ngaletshimulenga yakhona, ngoba mina ngazi ngomvukela wamaNdebele wokuqala lowesibili hatshi leshiti yamaswina!!!

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#38547 - 06/13/08 03:13 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: bongani]
cabucabu Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 89
Loc: Dallas
iZipra knew that they must keep their own records, ZAPu like the ANC kept archives and they where a government in exile knowing what must be done, the documents, the film clips of Nkomo and Zipra cadres training all these things were burnt by Sydney Sekeramayi on the behest of ZANU in 1981, these documents were at the farms that ZAPU bought. To make a documentary now you would have to go to the BBC to get clips, or the large American archives. Sorry that is the way it is unless you make a movie, it wouldbe best just to make a movie and glorify Zipra and send it to Cannes. Make a love story between a Geurrila and a woman how they are split and how she is tortured to death by Rhodesians for being a spy for ZAPU but how ZAPU forgave. Tshaya ipropaganda.

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#38551 - 06/13/08 07:11 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: bongani]
Bhudaza Offline
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Registered: 11/09/02
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Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi

I have never watched this film called "Flame", but from what I understand it is mainly about the abuse of fellow female combatants by their male counterparts. And so, quite rightly no Zipra should want to be assiciated with this kind of warfare.

Originally Posted By: bongani
bengibukele uAfrica Magic ngempelaviki edluleyo, ngabona ifilimu yabetshabe okuthiwa 'flame'. it made me think of all the propaganda abetshabe are pushing, like in the film, they made it out as if yibo bodwa opasi abalwela inkululeko yelizwe. ngokuzwa kwami, kuthiwa amaswina abengamagwala, into ababeyazi yikugida ubusuku bonke betshaya izakhamizi ezintweni zabo okwakuthiwa ngamapungwe (sp). manje besicela phela amaqhawe empela aweZipra aphakame, lisitshele vele ukuthi leyo zanla yamaswina vele yake yabhekana lamabhunu kasmith! ngoba liyabona lencwadi zeHistory sekwaqala okungopasi ukufunza abantwana bethu ipropaganda yakho yezanla ukuthi yiyona eyalwela ilizwe hatshi thina abakwaMthwakazi. Kanincede badala ngoba mina sengidiniwe ngokuzwa ngaletshimulenga yakhona, ngoba mina ngazi ngomvukela wamaNdebele wokuqala lowesibili hatshi leshiti yamaswina!!!
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#39844 - 09/06/08 03:49 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: Bhudaza]
kanti9Kunjalo Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 53
Loc: Empangeni, Ningizimu Afrika
Ekuhle.

Kulomunye okewathinta ngoGwalo lwe ZPRA, Zwangs, ucela uncedo. How far with thet book?

Yimi okaMblazi.

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#39877 - 09/06/08 09:02 PM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: bongani]
mg_d Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
bongani phila mfowethu lami ngiyaphila, ngiyayizwa inkulumo yakho mfowethu into yezanu yonke from the beginning yipropanganda.zanu/zanla never defeated amabhunu kuze kufike isikhathi sokuthi abelungu banikeze ilizwe ematshoneni its because they wanted ukuqeda ngomdala lamasotsha akhe. unkomo egangeni he won the war against both amatshona labelungu, now behind him they spoke ngokuphana ilizwe bathe nxa beya alancaster house everything was finilised btwn izanu lo smith unkomo wayesiya tshelwa okuzenziwa all in all they both afraid of him.amatshona abathathanga ilizwe from ku smith ilizwe lathathwa ngamandebele i don`t know whether you undersand me? ngesikhathi sempi yentumbane if unkomo akamisanga amasotsha akhe kube lamanje ilizwe lise zandleni zethu ukumiswa kwempi yentumbane ngunkomo already midlands was under amandebele.yonke lento yenzeka ngoba umdala yena wayengafundanga kuphela otherwise amatshona they didn`t win anything egangeni kwabalibhuku elasidlayo, everybody osezim wakhululwa ngunkomo.ngangingekho empini mina its only that i grew up under those guys ababesempini i used to spend a lot of time with them.
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#40072 - 09/15/08 06:51 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: mg_d]
Majays Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 04/07/08
Posts: 8
Loc: Gaborone, Botswana
Liqiniso lelo mg d, kodwa usuke nje waphaphalaza lapho uthi uNkomo wabulawa yikungafundanga. Hatshi lokho angivumelani lakho mfowethu, ukufunda akutsho ukubana ube liqili elazikhotha emhlane okwe Zanu lokhu. Akudingeki 7degrees ukuze ube yinkokheli mfokamdala. Inkokheli only has to have a vision (period.) Thina lama 7degrees ethu sesizakuba ngama advisers enkokheli ngengwalo zethu accordingly.
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#40077 - 09/15/08 09:28 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: mg_d]
mbaleki Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 86
Loc: Mawaba
Abaziyo bathi little knowledge is dangerous,in this case,i knowledge yami incane kodwa from my understanding,if uNkomo hadnt stopped amasotsha akhe ngeskhathi sentumbane,we probably wouldnt be here,im told that the evil tshona surrounded matland and threatened to flatten it ngama tanker if Nkomo didnt call off his troops,so,from my understanaing,it wasnt so much a question yokungafundi,but a question of avoiding another masacre
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#40083 - 09/15/08 08:49 PM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: Majays]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
Majays mfo ngisabingelela futhi ngoba kimina kulisiko lakithi lokho ukuthi umuntu uyabingelela. anginamahloni nakho lokho. we mfo uyazi yini, ukhulume into engekhoyo kwezinye izizwe. thina maNdebele asikwazisi kangako ukuba nama degree. angazi noma lokho kwenziwa yini. thina sibheka umuntu isiqu sakhe hatshi imfundo yakhe. bakhona abafundileyo aba usesless. umuntu angazi ngitsho ukubheka ezakhe ingane kube efundile. kwezinye izizwe ama degree ngumlimu. kuyakhonzwa.awungeke uphathe ungena degree.

la eNgilandi akusebenzi lutho ukuthi une degree of not.uyakuphatha umuntu ongena nix. as long as usazi umsebenzi wakho thats it.you get opportunities. awubheke umgabe. yini ayenzileyo ngalamadegrees akhe? murder, rape, destroy the country.

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#40084 - 09/16/08 12:02 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: Majays]
mg_d Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
majays sawubona mfowethu ngiyezwa iphutha lami mtakababa kodwa angitshongo ukuthi umuntu ubayinkokheli ngoba efundile ngoba aperson like unkomo was a born leader not an elected one,mina into engiyishoyo wukuthi ukungafundisisi kuhle kwakhe kwayenza umgabe amqile kwezinye izinto okwakufanele zibe ngezakhe ubunkokheli yena umdala was born with it,because umgabe he never fought amabhunu but at the the end wanikezwa ilizwe isizatho salokho wena ungasichaza uthi yini eyenza kwabanjalo?
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#40086 - 09/16/08 01:10 AM Re: Umvukela wamaNdebele [Re: mg_d]
Mthakathi27 Offline
Nduna

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
mg_d
Angazi uchaza ukuthini uma usithi uNkomo wayengafundanga. uNkomo was one of the first black leaders to hold a degree qualification from one of the prestigious South African universities. uNkomo loMgabe bebefunde okulinganayo, bonke were proud holders of BAs. Ungathi wena ulamaBAs ayifour mina ngile one, usungathi ufunde okudlula mina? Uyithatha ngalendlela, umuntu ole5 O'levels lomuntu ole 10 O'levels bafunde bafika kuzinga elifanyo, they are both O'level qualification holders.
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