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#38674 - 06/19/08 02:05 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers ***** [Re: Afrikado]
nejana Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
Loc: mzansi
Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each).
maybe afrikado asizwanana kahle or angicacanga kahle, i gave specially reference to Gauteng. this was with specially ref to the 2008 xenophobic attack, which drew attention worldwide, uma ufuna silubale udlame dating long back, statics will prove you wrong.as i mentioned above, ngizophinda futhi ngitthi the reference was with Gauteng, where people died, ezinye izifunda it was not related to xeno,eg the Mafikeng issue involving the bots train, was not xeno related if my memory serves me right

KwaZulu-Natal, isiZulu=79.3%;
2. Gauteng, isiZulu=19%;
3. Western Cape, isiZulu=0.0%;
4. Eastern Cape, isiZulu=0.0%;
5. Free State,isiZulu=0.0%;
6. North West,isiZulu=0.0%;
7. Mpumalanga,isiZulu=24.2%
8. Northen Cape,isiZulu=0.0%;and
9. Limpompo Province,isiZulu=0.0%
the above info is misleading cos my argument is not about how many people speak the language, who were involved in the xeno,
the site you gave is so informative but very unnecessary in this regard. i media izokulahla mfowethu uqhaphele, but anyway its main source of info, but kuhle ukuthi uzibonela wena mathupha, if you stay around Gauteng, ake uthathe isikhathi visit, for example uvakashele indawo lapho okunabantu ababanjelwe i-xenophobia, then maybe we wont have this argument anymore. sicela sizwe singabi emotional about this thing, lets gather facts accordingly, then we will understanding this whole thing.
i hope i am creating enermity with Zulus in this forum, but ngenzela ukuthi bashele abafowethu emakhaya, ezitradwini, sifundisana ukuthi kahle okwenzakayo yikuphi, unfortunately i have not any sotho speaking in this forum maybe naye ubezoyibeka ngeyakhe indlela.
ngiyabonga nge information mfoka-Afrikado, but ayihambelani lalokhu mina engizama ukukucaza.
ngicela singalwi kodwa sibonisane
ngiyabonga

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#38675 - 06/19/08 02:16 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: Ndukuzibomvu]
nejana Offline
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Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
Loc: mzansi
Ndukuzibomvu, akuyeke ukukhuluma isilozwi, mina angikuzwa, akucace mfethu, explain baba, imicijo imfishane, ngiyalahleka
hayi ke angazi ukuthi ucabanga kanjani ngoba awukasho, maybe somewhere kungeqile

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#38676 - 06/19/08 02:56 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: nejana]
Kirth_Dube Offline
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Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 77
Loc: UK
Nanzinyamazana ke lizibone click here for xenophobia video .Kambe oyala iqiniso elinje ngubani. Buka lesi isilima esile ovaros eyiblue ekucineni kwevideo.


Edited by Kuzolunga (06/19/08 03:28 PM)
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#38677 - 06/19/08 03:39 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: nejana]
Afrikado Offline
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Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 11
Loc: South Africa
1. "Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the [national] population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each).

2. You reference above speaks to the population of South Africa and not to where and how population is geographically sitauated in the country.

3. Hence I refer you to provincial statistics on the presence of amaZulu per province; so that you can compare the presence of amaZulu versus xenophobic presence across the breadth and width of South Africa.

4. I note that you "refer specifically to Gauteng specially with ref to the 2008 xenophobic attack, which drew attention worldwide. My brother I referred to 8 provinces that have had incidences of xenophobic attacks in 2008 after the Alexandra attacks, which has led the following reported arrests per province: KwaZulu-Natal-62, Gauteng-616,Western Cape-390, Eastern Cape-0, Free State-64, North West-155, Mpumalanga-97, Northen Cape-11, Limpompo-38.

5. So your bare denial stating [that ezinye izifunda it was not related to xeno]is devoid of truth, verify first than make a positive statement.

This serves to show that xenophobic attacks were a national phenomena, which did not originate in KZN or Gauteng Provinces but in Eastern Cape and Western Cape. Somalians have been mainly the brunt of attacks in Cape Town, which intesified last year.

Consequently it would be mischievous to: (i) allege that xenophobic attacks were started and perpetrated by amaZulu as such. Xenophobia is not an illness exclusive to amaZulu.

6. Your logic eludes me when you say: "...the above info is misleading cos my argument is not about how many people speak the language, who were involved in the xeno" How then do you determine the ethnicity of a person if you do not use his/her language?

7. I referred to the language presence, isiZulu in this instance, per province so that you can figure out that xenophobic attacks occurred as well in provinces with immaterial number of amaZulu if any.

8. I will mention a few names of people that were reportedly arrested for xenophobic attacks in Alex who have appeared in court, and you make what you want of it: Siphamandla Mdluli, Sthembeka Kemke, Dan Malebjoe, Vincent Madiseng and Lungile Myeni. Looking at the surnames of these people two seems to be amaZulu, viz. Mdluli and Myeni. Visit www.thetimes.co.za and look for an article published on 31 May 2008, titled 'Special courts to try xenophobia accused'

9. Therefore, Nejana mfowakithi it is simply bigotry to attach xenophobic attacks in Gauteng to amaZulu as a people, when facts point elsewhere. Moreso when all you base this figment on is the political violence that ravaged South Africa in the 90s Boipatong and all. The truth is KwaZulu-Natal saw the longest and bloodiest violence and guess what? Yes you are correct it was amaZulu but that is where ethnic violence theory flounders, because as you presumably know KZN is predominantly populated by amaZulu (+-80%). So when you refer to Boipatong and all you are comparing apples with oranges; the plain truth is that what we saw then was political parties fighting for supremacy.

10. I stay in KZN, emakhaya kwanj'ayiphume. In my area there are Mozambicans, Chinese and Somalians, that is in a relatively remote rural area approximately 100km away from Durban or Pietermaritzburg. During the xenophobic attacks that were not among those who sought shelter in Police Station, but they continued with their enterprises undisturbed. This area is populated exclusively by amaZulu. This is just one of many areas in KwaZulu Natal that live peacefully with foreign nationals.

11. I would therefore urge you to desist from labelling amaZulu, based on a stereotype that amaZulu are violent imbeciles. Unless of cause you seek to demonise people Zulu ancestry.

I strongly suugest that you conduct an introspection on what you seek to achieve by vilifying amaZulu.


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#38678 - 06/19/08 06:13 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: nejana]
Skhotha Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 121
Loc: Empangeni
Nejana, mfowethu, angisoze ngavumela ukuthi into encane njengalena ingangenza ngizonde umuntu, chabo bo. Kunalokho mina ngizama ukubona ngesolakho kodwa kulukhuni.

1) Kimina uziveza njengensizwa ekhaliphile futhi ekwaziyo ukucosha ulwazi.
A) Kodwa ukhohliwe ungingitshena ukuthi kulabo bantu ababoshiwe kukhona abantu abangasiwona amaZulu. Ngiyathemba lomfowethu othi indaba isephephandabeni elithize akasikhohlisi!
B) Kulabo ababulala izakhamizi zaseBoipatong kunensizwa eyayihamba phambili ngokubulala enesibongo esithiQuoquo noma into echishe ibenjalo. Mhlasimbe isidlaliso nje, angazi. Nakubona laba abasele zikhona nezibongo engingazazi kodwa angiphiki ngoba iLembe lathi ukuhambela lisakha isizwe. Mhlawumbe ungathola ulwazi oluncono.

2) Odabeni lokuthi udlame lolu alufuneki, mina nawe siyavumelana. Inkinga wukuthi wena uzimisele ngokuthi ngamaZulu aluqalile futhi yiwona alubhebhethekisayo.
A) Uma uzothi ngamaZulu ukubeka sengathi amaZulu, njengesizwe, athathe isinqumo sokuthi akuxoshwe izivakashi. Kungenzeka kanjani lokho uma uMntwana wakwaPhindangene noMsholozi, abangamaZulu asihola ngokwezombusazwe nangosiko lwethu, bekugxeka lokhu okwenzeka? Ngabe bayazenzisa, ngabe sebeze bayithola into ehlanganisa imibono yabo? Angicabangi kanjalo, ngabe kade kwenzeka lokho! Ngubani lona wena obona ngathi ukhulumela amaZulu futhi ukwazi ukusitshela ukuthi sikhohlwe onembeza bethu nemfundiso yobuntu bethu?

Vuma nje mfowethu ukuthi uvumele inhliziyo yakho nomlomo wakho kulawule inqondo yakho!
Ngiyaphinda ngithi khuzeka.
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#38680 - 06/19/08 06:36 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: Kirth_Dube]
Skhotha Offline
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Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 121
Loc: Empangeni
Baba, ngicela ungisize. Phezukwazozonke iziphambano engizithwele ama-security setting omshini wami kawavumi ukuthi ngingene kwi-link yakho.
Uma wakhula njengathi ubuka iTV ngefasitela lakwa makhelwane ozokwazi ukungilandisa.
Yini lena engaka ebonakala kwi-video leyo?
Ngisize mfowethu ungangihlanganyeli nokuhlupheka!
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#38681 - 06/19/08 06:40 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: nejana]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
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umzulu especially if you are Mthwakazian you can tell ukuthi lo mzulu impela, bakwenza kucace ukuthi yena umgumhloboni so as to not confused him/her with any other tribes.ukuthi wena wazalelwa lana wakhululela wafunda lana, thats the reason why you cant differentiate, but as for me thats the most skill i must learn in order to survive or not fall a victim of being called with names. yebo ngiyavuma alikho ihostella elihlala amazulu kuphela but they dominate, even nomsuthu kumele asizwe ngenkani isizulu in to survive or to be accepted.


This boy should not be taken seriously, has what i term Shona mentality and he does not take himself seriously, so why should anybody else take him seriously. Nenjana get your priorities right and maybe we will start taking you seriously. You say your priority is to learn how to distinguish Zulu way of talking amongst Zulus and between Zulus and others who speak Zulu who are not Zulus. Can't you realise that you are mixed up, your priority should be learning how to speak Zulu properly for your survival.Get your priorities right youngman and stop spewing hatred and madness here. This boy likes attention too much, he is like a madman, who swims in his excrement to please his spectators.
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#38683 - 06/19/08 09:44 PM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: Afrikado]
BATHWALIBOPHAHLA Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 88
Loc: UK
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isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the [national] population,


Its so easy and convinient to cut and paste i statistics for whatever reason but i context ibalulekile. Without scuitinising the statistics l assume it is correct but i relevance yaso lapha is questionable.Using leyo logic ye 23.8% how do you explain ukuthi amaBhunu babuse ngocuku olungebaliswe for decades laleyo 23.8% bengayifinyeleli eMzansi. There is more to power than numbers bantu.Qhubekani ngoku theorayza ngaleyo academics yenu abantu bakithi behlukunyezwe kabuhlungu kangaka.Okusalayo yikuthi bonke abantu bebebhekile ngodlame luka 2008 eGauteng, amareporters , omakhelwane kanye lawo amavictims bebebheke ngawabo amehlo.

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#38689 - 06/20/08 06:27 AM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: BATHWALIBOPHAHLA]
Skhotha Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 121
Loc: Empangeni
Sanibonani bafowethu.
Ngicabanga ukuthi loludaba sesulukhulume isikhathi eside kodwa akekho ovuma omunye. Kunalokho kungathi wonke umuntu uhamba ethungatha ubufakazi obuzokweseka umbono wakhe.

Kunombuzo engawubuza isuka lendaba ukuthi "umubona kanjani umuntu ukuthi ungumZulu?" Namanje akekho oseke wangiphendula, Mthwakazi omuhle, kunalokho kukhona abalokhu bethi uyakwazi ukuhlukanisa umZulu tekisi, nomZulu hostella, nomZulu phaqa etc. Aniboni yini ukuthi kungucwensa lokho enikushoyo. Kufanele kube khona omuntu onitshenayo, angekhe yini nazibonela lokho ninodwa?
Kwathiwa umuntu okhuluma isiZulu ngumZulu! Ngicabanga ukuthi into efile nje leyo, nengane kafesitiye iyazi ukuthi ngumbhedo nje loyo ngabe singamagisi sonke.
Kwafika abanye abathi bazibonela iziboshwa eziboshelwe lezigameko, ngamaZulu ngqo! Kodwa uma usubheka uhlu lwezi boshwa ubona okunye. oMabjoe (okuyela lapho) nezinye izibongo ezithe phecelezi (ngesiZulu)!
Kuzoze kubenini. Nizolokhu nihamba niyo cinga ubufakazi obusha ngoba nje nifuna ukuma phezu kwamaZulu, ngobani? Nifunani, sitsheneni musani ukulokhu nicasha ngezithupha kuhle kwegwala empini.
I am not for unnecessary bloodshed. I condemn the killing of non-SA people in SA, unequivically.
Bathwali please look at the following thought stream:
1) In South African history which group of people are known as ethnically proud?
2) In SA which people are known for being sensitive to tribal sidelining perceived or real?
3) In SA which group of people are known to show their discontentment by physically fighting back?
4) In SA which group of people pays allegiance to a leadership who exercises a fair amount of control over them?
There are more such questions but I trying to paint a different picture. Now taking the above into consideration would it be fair to come up with the answer of AmaZulu?
This is now more of a South African issue that has repercussions for uMthwakazi who is in SA but minimally those in the home country. What do you think is going to happen if the blanket of blame falls on the Zulu? Yes, we will have to fight, again! Funny how all this Zulu Bashing starts when the Zulu Boy took control of the ruling ANC!
I stand corrected because I haven't looked through all the posts on this forum. Tell me with all the other episodes of xenophobic violence were the Zulu so clearly identified as the perpetrator?
When it is so easy to say that "The Zulus attacked me" and "The Zulus raped me" something is definitely wrong. What makes a victim an unquestionable judge? Sad that your families were violated by criminals but should we now allow them to start a war so that they feel better that they could put a face on their boogymen? Does it not suffice to say "a criminal" or at worst "a South African" or should they start the fires of our own civil war by being authorities on South African tribes?
All the victims of the violence who insist on villifying the Zulus are just adding to the problems (As if the Zulu in a person made him do it, if he/she is a Zulu at all). They are infact true enemies of not only the Zulus but all the tribes of SA and Africa as a whole. Think about it!
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#38690 - 06/20/08 07:09 AM Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers [Re: BATHWALIBOPHAHLA]
Afrikado Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 11
Loc: South Africa
Bathwalibophahla

I believe I need to spell out exactly what I mean in statements. Below is an exctract of Nejana's posting.

"Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each)."

If you look at my response I corrected uNejana pointing out that isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23.8% of the national population, which is irrelevant anyway. My response in that respect was for correctness sake only.

My reference to statistics does not seek to prove that by virtue of amaZulu being 23.8% of the national population, they could not have been responsible for xenophobia.

Revisit my posting and you will note that the presence of amaZulu per province does not support the theory that amaZulu are the main propagators of the 2008 xenophobia in the 9 provinces of South Africa.

Kodwa uma ngabe ufuna ukukopolota iGauteng, bese uthi amaZulu ahlukumeze abantu bakini, suit yourself.

khuluma



Edited by Afrikado (06/20/08 07:11 AM)

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