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#38485 - 06/11/08 11:36 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Ntombiyenguni]
Mpho Ncube Offline
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 32
Loc: Uk
Originally Posted By: Ntombiyenguni
lina mandevana with due respect ngicela like nikhohlwe nge kugura. some of have forgotten about it and moved forward with life l think you must all do the same. Firstly anifuni ukuya esikolweni and at the end of the day niblama amashona for averything its time to stop this nonsense bacause its irritating us.


Okokuqala, who's the "us" in your 'irritation'? Okwesibili, ayipheli, ngekiphele (until justice is delivered)indaba ye Gukurahundi. Sizoyihlabela ingoma le uze uhlanye kodwa ukuthi sithule nje, ngeke!

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#38486 - 06/11/08 11:49 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Ntombiyenguni]
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Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/09/08
Posts: 53
Loc: Tsholotsho
Kuzakhohlwa wena wedwa ntombiyetshabi and uMthwakazi never ever forget.Point of correction don't say IRRITATING US say irritating me.
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#38487 - 06/11/08 02:16 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: ngubo]
Ntombiyenguni Offline
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Registered: 05/12/08
Posts: 9
Loc: South Africa
Angixolise bafowethu i didn't mean to offend anyone. l know that most people were affected by this Gukura and some are still traumatised about what happened ngiyaxolisa sizwe sikathwakazi.Liyangiphoxa ma selingibiza ngentobiyetshabi.

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#38490 - 06/11/08 03:57 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Ntombiyenguni]
bongani Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 200
Loc: Afrika
uvele uyiyo intombi yetshabi ! angiboni ukuthi usaxoliselani ngoba uqeda ukusithuka! kanti vele wena igama lakho walithatha ngaphi ngoba alikufanelanga!!! kumele ngabe unguChipo , uyayangisa!!!

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#38492 - 06/11/08 05:25 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: lvovo]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 388
Loc: At large
Originally Posted By: lvovo
Mina ngilomoya ka Devuli, amatshabi ayazenzisa kakhulu. Why is ther such outcry when only a patry 50 has died, maybe ku 50 yonaleyo kulabantu abasitshiyileyo lakho. They think bona baqakathekile ukwedlula amaNdebele?? Kabake bezwe labo esake sakuzwa. Mina i independence ngilapha kangiyazi bandla. Selokhu ngathetshulwa yingwe ngisebunzimeni. Let them kill each other hatsho they united against the Ndebeles kweminye iminyaka. Kabafe labo.


I read this post above and I cringed. I was and am deeply embarrased by what I have read in the above post. I have come across such sentiments here and in other fora. I have been equally embarassed and ashamed. I am thus forced to break the solitude of my quiet contemplation and post a rebuttal of sentiments lacking in thought and most of all lacking in ubuntu.

Let me state without equivocation for the sake of posterity as well as to leave no one in doubt about where I stand with respect to the genocide in Matebeleland.
The North Korean thugs were unleashed on an unsuspecting and peaceful people. Unarmed and harmless the people of Matebeleland and the Midlands were misused, abused, brutalised and treated in ways that de-humanised them. Their rights, the right to life was abrogated at the whim of a rabid and crazed North Korean trained thug. Lives were lost - lives of the innocent - conservative estimates put the figures of those that died for the pure sin of being Ndebele at 10000 others yet still put the figure at 20 000. Less conservative estimates state that figures ranging from 50 000 to 100 000. Whatever the true figure the bottomline is that those that died need not have,and that those that demand and scream that justice be done have every right to do so. The chief architects and perpetrators of the genocide are well and trully known - Fist of Fury Mugabe, Perence Shiri, Emerson Munangagwagwa (whatever the spelling !) are but a few names that spring to mind. These murderers in chief must and will be brought to book. Bayatsho bona abesiTshoneni ukuthi okuphaphayo kuyahlala - kade baphapha ngakho ixetsha lokuthi lenyoni ihlalephansi selisondele. The work of Maggemm and other community groups involved in seeking justice for the victims - both deceased and living is to be highly commended. Loba nje ngifitshane I stand shoulder to shoulder with all those pursuing and seeking justice over the genocide.

Be that at it may the above quoted post raises a few questions. The writer states that "only" fifty people have died and yet there is so much out cry. The burning question is how many people have to die before there are noises made? Should those raising the alarm over these deaths remain quiet until 100 or 1000 0r 20 000 people have died? What is the acceptable level or number of deaths that justifies an outcry?
He who knows where the shoe pinches is he who wears it!
So is this what we have come to? So beacuse Mthwakazi has worn the shoe three sizes too small and felt its pinching so too must the Tshona? Not only that in the eyes of the above writer the shoe the Shona have dorned is not three sizes too small but a mere half or quarter of a size. So is this what we have come to- to relativise human pain and suffering? Sixty odd people dead in the xenophobic attacks - much outrage and much out cry but nothing in comparison to the 50 thousand dead. Because Mthwakazi has suffered so too must the Shona! Suffering is relative and the shona have not suffered as much!! Is that what we have come - my shoe pinches more than yours so shut the fcuk up while I moan and bleat about how hard and how tight my shoe pinches!!

The logic and thought processes that lead to the relativisation of human suffering are at best misguided and at the worst downright irresponsible. This is because taken to its full logical conclusion those that seek justice for the victims of Gukurahundi might as well shut up shop and head home since 1 milliion Tutsis were murdered in 90s by those Hutu fellows. Thus by this warped logic of relativising human suffering the number of Matebele dead in the genocide is a "mere" 50 000. When one reads the history books one learns that 6 million Jews lost their lives in Hitler's final solution outrage. Thus by the warped logic Mthwakazi has no "right" to seek justice for a "mere" 50 000 dead because in relative terms there has been less suffering than in the two cases cited above. Clearly this is sheer madness- human suffering is human suffering and cannot be subject of to relativisation.A pinching shoe is a pinching shoe regardless of how many sizes too small it is! To relativise debases and dehumanises those that died and those doing the relativisation. Thus those raising the outcry over 50 deaths have as much right to do so as those raising hue and cry over 50 0000 deaths as are those that raise outcry over 1 million deaths. As humans that subscribe to the notion that human life is sancrosanct and that the needless taking of a human life because of one's ethnicity, gender, race, colour , creed or political persuasion is simply wrong and should be decried. One life, one death is one human being too many to be taken for these and other spurious reasons. These fifty people that have died thus far in the orgy of violence are fifty people too many as are the fifty thousand that died in Matebeleland a fifity thousand people too many. All these lives were lost needlessly and that is wrong.
Mthwakazi has suffered at the hands of the Gukurahundi that is certain. But that should not form the basis of a careless and callous disregard for human suffering and needless loss of life be it Tshona or otherwise.
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#38493 - 06/11/08 06:42 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Jazelindizayo]
mzukulu-kagogo Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 113
Loc: eMajawundeni
Ntombiyenguni
uxolisile sibili kodwa aluba uqale wahluzisisa umbono wakho ungakasihlambazi.ababhale phambilini abatshongo ukuthi amatshona kawabulawe bathe"yekela babulalane".bavele ngabegazi labo ngakho ukuzama ukusithandanisa labo akusoze kwenzeka ,ukuchitha igazi ngokwabo ngakho thina esesaba ukuchitha umphefumulo siyabaxwaya ngendlela zonke.ukuxola is an individual choice which you have no right to force us to do,"we will forgive and move on",as you want us to,when we are ready, not when you want us to.if it was easy for you to do it then dont think one day it is for me.l try to forget but people like you make it very fresh and l start all over again.ameva ahlaba okufanayo, Ntombi.basibulalela ezethu izihlobo zimsulwa njengabo bona laba abafela ukungavoteli uMga...
ukufa kubuhlungu izizwe zonke, ngiyabadabukela ababulawelwe izihlobo zabo ngoba ngingowenyama,kodwa ngiyawenyanya amatshona ebulalana enjalo, ngoba igazi lalabo ababuleweyo labasazobulawa alikho ezandleni zami.bathi besiqeda most of them pretended they didnt know wat was happening on the side of the country just because they didnt want to know,ngakho kabaphakulule imbiza yabo kade beyibasela iminyaka yonke le(28 years) bangasimemezi asizange sibekhona ekukhwezeleni.

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#38506 - 06/11/08 11:12 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Ntombiyenguni]
Zwangendaba Offline
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1399
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

QUOTE>>>>> " but lets bury the hatchet and focus on removing lelitshabi. Lets stop pointing finger at each other. Linthini lina bakamthwakazi?" <<<<<END OF QUOTE.

What hatchet are we burying??? Sekwenzenjani for us to bury "THAT" hutchet???

Indaba ayizafunwa ukutshiywa endleleni. That is why there is so much CONFUSION NOW about the past. A story is told half way and people are expected to live by it.

Ngeki phele. That is a word of wisdom.

Li Zwangendaba.



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#38515 - 06/12/08 07:11 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Zwangendaba]
Mthakathi27 Offline
Nduna

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
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Let me state without equivocation for the sake of posterity as well as to leave no one in doubt about where I stand with respect to the genocide in Matebeleland.
The North Korean thugs were unleashed on an unsuspecting and peaceful people. Unarmed and harmless the people of Matebeleland and the Midlands were misused, abused, brutalised and treated in ways that de-humanised them. Their rights, the right to life was abrogated at the whim of a rabid and crazed [/color]North Korean trained thug. Lives were lost - lives of the innocent - conservative estimates put the figures of [color:#FF0000]those that died for the pure sin of being Ndebele at 10000 others yet still put the figure at 20 000. Less conservative estimates state that figures ranging from 50 000 to 100 000. Whatever the true figure the bottomline is that those that died need not have,and that those that demand and scream that justice be done have every right to do so. The chief architects and perpetrators of the genocide are well and trully known - Fist of Fury Mugabe, Perence Shiri, Emerson Munangagwagwa (whatever the spelling !) are but a few names that spring to mind.


Uthi wena amaNorth Koreans yiwo abulala abantu beMatebeleland, kungani ungatsho ukuthi labo abaqeqetshwa ngamaNorth Korean? Ulobufakazi bani ukuthi abantu beMatebeleland bafela ubuNdebele babo? Ukuthathaphi ukuthi abantu ababulawayo were innocent and unarmed? Siphe ubufakazi obupheleleyo, lalelo nani labantu othi babulawa. Sifuna ubufakazi otherwise just keep quiet.
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#38517 - 06/12/08 07:50 AM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Mthakathi27]
nejana Offline
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Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
Loc: mzansi
Uthi wena amaNorth Koreans yiwo abulala abantu beMatebeleland, kungani ungatsho ukuthi labo abaqeqetshwa ngamaNorth Korean? Ulobufakazi bani ukuthi abantu beMatebeleland bafela ubuNdebele babo? Ukuthathaphi ukuthi abantu ababulawayo were innocent and unarmed? Siphe ubufakazi obupheleleyo, lalelo nani labantu othi babulawa. Sifuna ubufakazi otherwise just keep quiet. [/quote]

mthakathindini i dont realy understand you,uthi wena he must bring forthy the proof of the unarmed and innocent?sishele ke mfowethu ukuthi who were killed.kuyachacha ke ukuthi awazi niks ngegukura era ngoba you should have asked him that. kanti wena wakhulela kuphi ongazi ukuthi the most people killed were innocent villagers who were accused of habouring the so called dissident. the actual fact is the war wasnt against the so called dissident, it was part of the grand plan to distabilised and colonise, deprive us of our right. kanti vele le ndaba yamadizora uyayazi ukuthi yaqala njani. mfethu i am very disappointed at you, i feel like lashing out on you, but angikusoli mfana, ngisola abazali bakho they did not tell you the whole story or mhlawumbe labo ngaswina lawa ahlala eblazi.the figures may not be exactly but all people died,disappeared, abanye they died some years after the era ngoba they had internal wounds.uyakwazi eBhalagwe, you must visit there mfanakithi, its horror.
Ntombiyeswina uma ufuna ukuxola ngokwakho lenkukhu zangakini, mina personal i wont move until justice is done, the perpetrators bazoyikhotha imbenge iwomile ngifunga abakwethu, njalo uma ushadwe esishoneni, thatha uzwelo lakho ulwise kwenuzala hayi kuMthwakazi, such symphathy is worthless, safa saphela isizwe sika Mzilikazi siqedwa ngamaswina namanje sigcwele amazwe ngenxayakho lokhu okuyizinja.

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#38525 - 06/12/08 01:03 PM Re: Saphel'isizwe iUnited Nation ibhekile, [Re: Jazelindizayo]
Hitshi_Hitshi Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/12/08
Posts: 3
Loc: Nkabazwe
You Ask: Be that (at)as it may the above quoted post raises a few questions. The writer states that "only" fifty people have died and yet there is so much out cry. The burning question is how many people have to die before there are noises made?

A: None, a mere threat to life must cause an outcry, the question should be, ? Why are you crying over 50 when you fail even to acknowledge that more than 20000 was killed when it happened after it happened, and what was you action to those crying??

You ask. Should those raising the alarm over these deaths remain quiet until 100 or 1000 0r 20 000 people have died? What is the acceptable level or number of deaths that justifies an outcry?

A: I repeat, even the mere threat of death is suffient to raise an alarm. (The question is what is the criteria used for when to raise an out cry, 20 000 dead, you are reduculed for talking about it, 50 die the whole world must Know, are the 50 a special breed??

You Ask:He who knows where the shoe pinches is he who wears it!
So is this what we have come to? So beacuse Mthwakazi has worn the shoe three sizes too small and felt its pinching so too must the Tshona? Not only that in the eyes of the above writer the shoe the Shona have dorned is not three sizes too small but a mere half or quarter of a size. So is this what we have come to- to relativise human pain and suffering?

A: Yes and No, Yes, The shona don?t have to feel the pain only when they are wearing the shoe, but while the Mthwakazi is wearing and its hurting him. NO, if the shona had shared in Mthwakazi pain, this would not have happened now.

You Ask: Sixty odd people dead in the xenophobic attacks - much outrage and much out cry but nothing in comparison to the 50 thousand dead. Because Mthwakazi has suffered so too must the Shona! Suffering is relative and the shona have not suffered as much!! Is that what we have come - my shoe pinches more than yours so shut the fcuk up while I moan and bleat about how hard and how tight my shoe pinches!!

A:It is the supremacist ideology we are against, When Mthwakazi was hurting you said nothing and continue to say nothing, worse still we find the shona not only hero worshiping the perpetrators of that barbarism but also defending their actions. Read Mthakathi27 thread above, this is the loathsome answer I have heard so many times over the Gukurahundi issue.

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