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#39104 - 07/15/08 11:07 AM ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND?
mninimuzi Offline
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Bakithi,ngicindezele.There is a question that has always puzzled me now and then.Kanti yini ndaba abantu bakulezizigaba bevotela iZANUPF at every opportunite they get?
1.Gwanda South 2.Beitbridge, 3.Insiza.

This trend has made me think that we may be having a situation whereby sikhala sonkeni emini kodwa ebusuku abanye bathi phambili layo. I am not being ssarcastic to people of thse constituancies but but i have noted with concern that they are being ignored by every Jack and Jill while they constantly give legitimacy to this murderous regime.
Sengazama ukufuna impendulo fromm various people including some from these areas and i always get varying amswers like
1.Mugabe rigs elections there
2.These areas either did not experience the Gukurahundi
attrocities or by the time the transgressors got there it was towards the so called unity.
3.Some say Zanu uses some former Zapu cadres to fish for people in these constituncies.
Angazi njalo bomama labobaba.
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#39106 - 07/15/08 11:30 AM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mninimuzi]
Nqobile_Mbali Offline
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Registered: 06/17/08
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Zanu loyalists in Matabeleland?
What are you talking about?
That's simply not news!

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#39108 - 07/15/08 12:05 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mninimuzi]
Nqobile_Mbali Offline
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Registered: 06/17/08
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Loc: Nottingham,UK
Here's a paragraph I picked up from a Zambian paper yesterday about some unkwown OUTSIDERS IN ZIMBABWE, enforcing ZANU PF will:

-:From Tsholotsho, Mr Mlalazi said: "We have observed that some of the people leading the violence are foreigners because they speak a different language and they do not understand our local languages. They don't understand Ndebele, Shona, Kalanga, Ndau or even Chewa.
"Also the tactics they are using are not peculiar with Zimbabweans because they are cutting out the tongue, removing eyes and genital parts. We are not sure where they come from."
Local people claim the irregular forces are Hutus from Rwanda, but the human rights representative said he could not be definitive.
There are an estimated 14,000 Hutu refugees living in Zimbabwe, 4000 in Matabeleland, some of whom took part in the genocide of Tutsis and moderate Hutus in 1994.
Among those Hutus staying in Zimbabwe is said to be Protais Mpiranya, the former head of the Rwandan presidential guard during the 1994 genocide. He is on the wanted list of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, but is suspected to have strong business links with senior Zimbabwe army officers.
There is also physical evidence that these outsiders also scrambled to vote for Mugabe in doubles during the election run-off, illegally.:-


Edited by Nqobile_Mbali (07/15/08 12:06 PM)

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#39109 - 07/15/08 12:34 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mninimuzi]
mhla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/08
Posts: 33
Loc: South Africa
Originally Posted By: mninimuzi
Bakithi,ngicindezele.There is a question that has always puzzled me now and then.Kanti yini ndaba abantu bakulezizigaba bevotela iZANUPF at every opportunite they get?
1.Gwanda South 2.Beitbridge, 3.Insiza.

This trend has made me think that we may be having a situation whereby sikhala sonkeni emini kodwa ebusuku abanye bathi phambili layo. I am not being ssarcastic to people of thse constituancies but but i have noted with concern that they are being ignored by every Jack and Jill while they constantly give legitimacy to this murderous regime.
Sengazama ukufuna impendulo fromm various people including some from these areas and i always get varying amswers like
1.Mugabe rigs elections there
2.These areas either did not experience the Gukurahundi
attrocities or by the time the transgressors got there it was towards the so called unity.
3.Some say Zanu uses some former Zapu cadres to fish for people in these constituncies.
Angazi njalo bomama labobaba.


Phela mfowethu ungakhohlwa ukuthi lezondawo ozibalayo zase Gwanda & Beit Bridge zise Matabeleland kodwa abantu bakhona abanye abasiwo maNdebele oqobo , some are Sotho , Shona & Vendas. So labo bantu bayimvela kancane ekuzimeleni kwezepolitiki . Baze bacine bengasakwazi okumele bazihlanganise naye besebelandela i Major political part of that country -> Zanu PF. You can check even here e Mzansi ukuthi lezinhlanga eziyimvelakancane njengama Ndebeles , Shanganis , Vendas , Swati ETC have no choice but to suport ANC belandela abanengi ngoba kade badla amathe alabobantu yikho sebebathemba noma ngabe bebasa ehlathini . Kodwa - ke angazi ukuthi ibandla lona libona kanjani .

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#39113 - 07/16/08 06:43 AM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mhla]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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This clearly shows how shallow we could be as far as political analysis is concerned. What this means is that in Zimbagwe there is no dictatorship, there is no vote rigging, there is no violence and intimidation. Is it what we mean? Some even go astray to suggest that Sothos and Vendas are not Ndebeles. Were these people not targeted by Mugabe's gukurahundi? The Insiza district has always been in the forefront of the Mthwakazi struggle and that is not going to change any time soon.
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#39119 - 07/16/08 01:15 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mninimuzi]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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This is the usual paralysis of analysis that is fast becoming the trademark of many in this site.
The salient facts are:-
a) the present political system operates on first past the post basis
b) there is no prescribed margin required for one to be declared the winner of the seat. That is if 100 people turn out and 51 vote for their preffered candidate then that is presumed to be the elected member in as much as had 99 people voted for the candidate. This is so rudimentary and elementary that even a visually impaired person would be able to see this.
c) the marjority of voters in these constituences voted for Zanu-pf. It is not every man and woman, every voter that voted for ZPF. Therefore it is incorrect to make the leap and state without equivocation that people in these three voted ZPF.
d) It is this same self-serving and superficial analysis that has prompted some here to state that because Matebeleland is regarded as opposition territory and since ZPF is the minority party then that should form the basis of the breakaway of Matebeleland from what is known as Zimbabwe!!!

e) This also exposes that we, as a people, are still in our infancy with regards to the purpose and usefulness of elections. The underlying misconception here is that one should always show same loyalty i.e always vote for say the MDC or ZPF regardless of what it is that those two parties have to offer. In other words the loyality that one shows to one's football team is the same loyalty that one should show to a political party come election time ! That loyalty being blind, unquestioning and undying through thick and thin! We come to where we are now precisely because of this flawed mentality.

Of course that is not how this is meant to work particularly if one looks at what happens in Western Democracies- in the past 28 years while kwaMgots people have laboured under FoF the UK has had four prime minsters (three elected) and the US has had four presidents of various political plummage.

It is this same flawed mentality that has allowed rigging of elections to take place kwaMgots- rigging would not be possible without a baseline on which to build upon. Has Mugabe rigged elections in his favour in these three constituences? Probably not forthe following reasons- there is nothing outstanding about these three places - so why rig there and not the rest of Matebeland? This is based on the premise that one rigs elections to win them - then ZPF would be the first party in the history of rigging to rig election in order to lose seats as it regularly does in Matebeleland!



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#39122 - 07/16/08 02:15 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: Jazelindizayo]
lvovo Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
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Loc: KZN
Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
The underlying misconception here is that one should always show same loyalty i.e always vote for say the MDC or ZPF regardless of what it is that those two parties have to offer. In other words the loyality that one shows to one's football team is the same loyalty that one should show to a political party come election time ! That loyalty being blind, unquestioning and undying through thick and thin! We come to where we are now precisely because of this flawed mentality.


Your comments are refreshing.
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#39123 - 07/16/08 05:13 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: lvovo]
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Umsuzo can be refreshing to some............
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#39125 - 07/16/08 09:14 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: Jazelindizayo]
duze Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
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jazi no vovo ninjani ngempilo?kukahleke ma niphila. ngempela indaba yenu iyaxaka. nivumelana into engekho nje. ngempela angimangali umuntu wonke enisola.namhlanje yinina enichaza ipolitiki yaleyandawo yenu ngendlela ekhomba ulwazi olunzulu. inkinga yikuthi, bafo, manje abantu sebehlakaniphe kakhulu. nithi nina nivumelana, the political system operates on first past the post, nee.kanti lo Sfankililayi did he not past the post first ngomthetho wenu? niyabheda nje ayikho indaba yenu. niwazelaphi umthetho nina? nicabanga ukuthi umtetho yikudlala? ukuphi umthetho ezweni lenu lase zimbambwe yenu?

ngempela niyaxaka ngoba nento elizikhulumayo yinyongo nje kwaphela.noma senithi niyazama ukudukisa abantu, lutho bafana angekelenze lutho. sinibona nisaseleee ukthi laba baza ngobugebengu. umthetho bafana uyahlonishwa. uyimpilo. uwungeke uthi ma usubona ukuthi usulahlekelwa yisapoti bese ugijima utshintshe umthetho. lomthetho we 50 +1% niwufake nini?ungowanini? ludaka lodwa lolu. uhloseni lomthetho wenu?ikuphi ilogic lapho? kukhona umuntu ongavotela u A namhlanje then after 21days avotele u B ? well your law says 21 days another election must be held. but nazini ngomthetho? 21 days become 91days you dont care what your own law says.

speaking about law, kwakukhona umdlalo westhombe. lapho kwakuhlekiswa ngamaZulu ukuthi amakhanda abo aqinile. lobaba womZulu wayefuna umsebenzi wokuba yisecurity egedini lasefemini. umantshingelani. lomnikazi wefemu wamqhasha lobaba. wamnikeza uMTHETHO wefemu. wathi yena lomlungu ongumnini walefemu, UMTHETHO wala efemini ukuvunyelwa muntu ukungena after 6 sokuvaliwe kuze kube ngu6 ekuseni. wavuma lobaba. kanti ngelinye ilangha lomlungu ongumnini walefemu uzokhohlwa i brief case yakhe la efemini. isikhathi sesindlulile u6 njalo sokuvaliwe. aze ke lomlungu nonkosikazi wakhe ngemoto. uyabazi kahle lobaba womZulu.igedi livaliwe. aphume lababa aye kulomlungu. sakubone basi Evans gudiniven.asho lomlungu , open the gate zuluboy i need to get some stuff in my office. cha, cha basi mr evansi liphutha phela lelo. thina kwaZulu umthetho siyawuhlonipha. ufuna ngephule umthetho manje. yiniwena khuluma zuluboy manje. amcasisele lobaba lomlungu ukuthi umthetho owawuphiwa la efemini uthi kungavunyelwa muntu ma sokundlule u 6 sokuvaliwe. abuze unkosikazi womlungu , whats up evans. this man says he wont let me in because i gave him a law that no one is to be allowed in after 6. SO HE IS NOT GOING TO LET ME IN. turn the car Evans lets go home. kwaphela kanjalo. that shows how other nations uphold the law hayi lombedo wenu ipoyisa liphikisa iHigh Court order. so nina velani nithule ngoba aniwazi umthetho.

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#39128 - 07/17/08 06:09 AM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: duze]
lvovo Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
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Loc: KZN
Originally Posted By: duze
lomthetho we 50 +1% niwufake nini? ungowanini?


This shows how ignorant some people are. Looks like you are not following the political developments in Zimbabwe so there is nothing we can discuss the two of us. You are just arguing for the sake of pushing time.

Corrections Esq Duze
By the way akula mthetho othi 50 +1%, umthetho uthi 50% + 1 unit of which a unit can be 1 vote which will make the winner have +50%
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#39129 - 07/17/08 10:34 AM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: lvovo]
mninimuzi Offline
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Abadala bathi uthango lwevila ngammeva.Abantu kabafunde ukwehlisa imimoya ngoba uthukuthelo lolaka kusuke kweqe kudunge umqondo womuntu kepha kufiphaze lomkhumbulo wakhe.lndikimba yalesisahluko ibinye nje qha njalo iqonde nta njengosolobhoni.Umbuzo ubusithi nje,ngamanye amazwi,'kungaba kubangelwa yini ukuthi phose ngazozonke inkathi zokhetho lwamalunga edale lwephalamende iziqinti lezi,Gwanda South, Beitbridge, zona zisheshe zikhethe ilunga leZanu pf kukanti umkhono wemaNdebeleni jikelele uyalikhafula lelibandla?'
Yikho ke isiqokoqela saloludaba yikucubungula nje bucayi imbangela yalokhu. Laba abasebeza bethwele imikhono kanye lemikhonto bona bahlomele iphi impi?. Sinye nje isikhulumi esizame ukuletha umbono waso kodwa abanye basuke bashikisha phezu kwaso saqonqothwane igqhiha lendlela. Asehliseni umoya.Phansi ngodlame.lnjobo enhle ngethungelwa ebandla.Sicela imibono yabantu ekhaliphileyo hatshi ukuza ukuze ninda abantu ngegazi lenyama bengayidlanga.My teacher used to tell me never to criticise people's personalities but to counteract their opinions whenever i feel their views are at loggerheads with mine.
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#39136 - 07/17/08 07:09 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: lvovo]
duze Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
vovo mfo kunjani. angiyazi mina ipolitiki futhi angifuni nokuyazi. kungani wena ukhetha ukuphendula eminye imibuzo eminye uyiziba? awunaqiniso ndoda. ukuthi yi 50 what what per what akusho lutho. niwufake nini lomthetho? uhloseni? igama lakho incazelo yalo ithini? uthini ngakuphuma ngaphansi kwamatshona?

lento yenu yokucabanga ukuthi umuntu wonke kufanele azi deep politics ingumbedo nje. it is a shame to hear your god mugabe insulting the west while he copies all that is western. lesilungu asazisa kangaka akusisiwestern leso. iphalamende lenu imbala is it not a western ideology?

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#39138 - 07/18/08 11:02 AM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mninimuzi]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: mninimuzi
Laba abasebeza bethwele imikhono kanye lemikhonto bona bahlomele iphi impi?. Sinye nje isikhulumi esizame ukuletha umbono waso kodwa abanye basuke bashikisha phezu kwaso saqonqothwane igqhiha lendlela. Asehliseni umoya.Phansi ngodlame.lnjobo enhle ngethungelwa ebandla.Sicela imibono yabantu ekhaliphileyo hatshi ukuza ukuze ninda abantu ngegazi lenyama bengayidlanga.My teacher used to tell me never to criticise people's personalities but to counteract their opinions whenever i feel their views are at loggerheads with mine.


Mninimuzi uphila njani
Mfo angazi noma uyananzelela siphakathi kwayo 'intumbane'. Lapha nje ongathola idebate ekahle kumhlazana uMthwakazi exoxa lowakwabo, noma ishona or isimeli samashona sixoxa lowakwabo.
As I see it Inkundla is a real society noma nje sisebulenjini okwamanje. Ma ekhona odinga ukubona asimamele kancane sithi ukufika kulelithuba lokuthi sesihlangana ngokugcweleyo on mother earth beqhube bekhuluma kanje ondodakuqina.Uzoyibona impi le obuza ngayo ukuthi iphi.
Mina ngokwami I look at inkundla as areal society noma abanye beyibona njenge-site its ok, let them treat it as such because that is what it is anyway. Experience has taught me that wherever there is more than one person there would be more than one different opinions. Usually when people debate each of them may fluctuate between the ranges of different emotions.

So u will find here people laugh, appreciate one another and some even go to the extent of ukuhlambaza. Friendships develop, enemity also develops. Fights will also ensue. It would be unrealistic to expect people/enemies not to fight. Some of us have expressed real danger to our lives and others have denied that. To make matters worse some stuff being debated is politics.

It has been said many a times that in debate you dont tackle the man but his ideas. So gathered in this site are real people facing real problems, but also in the midst of them,a peverted group that deny other people s problems. I think it would be asking an awful lot for such people not to fight. If someone was a threat to your very existence would you not fight for your survival? Therefore if someone is not respecting my livelihood why should I observe poxy debate ground rules?

What debate is it when someone is always anti MTHWAKAZI? To me that is war. If it is plain debate then there is every room to be unrealistic, it is permissible, it shd not become an issue if one becomes unrealistic. In which case there is no point accusing anyone of being unrealistic when people have spoken about their dreams as Mthwakazi. Really no point as the topics or arguement lines would have been made up anyway. But when we discuss real problems like the GP- THERE IS NO ROOM TO BE UNREALISTIC. Thats why when we speak of our dreams they begin to say we are unrealistic because even they know deep down in their hard hearts that this place is real and has real problems and therfore needs real solutions. In simple debates you dont have to be realistic.

The peddlers of the GP KNOW IT THEMSELVES. Thats why they attempt to outsmart us by saying 'tackle not the man but his idea' They are merely trying to protect themselves. Thats purely a zanu strategy, to offer one an olive branch and when you respond they crush you on the head.(unity accord, 1987), they say dont kill debate and from there they go on to wipe out the whole nation. How long in zim they sang about no nepotism and they went on to practice it in broad daylight. On paper they say no tribalism while behind doors they are hell bent on implementing the GP. Once beaten twice shy, so mina Mthwentwehlaba1 angifihleli muntu ngiyathso manje phakathi komphakathi- dont tackle the idea anymore, tackle the man.

I remain civil,polite, I dont attack but I defend. Mthwakazi is not attacking but is moulding a defensive strategy, and I strongly believe sometimes the best way to defend is to attack. The ideas themselves are very safe objects, until the man implements them on you. So tackle the man! You will know them by their hatred towards anything that goes by the name Mthwakazi.

Those that want debate carry on, as for me I dont think so. I am at war. Angisigwala njalo, angenzi izinto ngicatshile, I know thats what everybody else is doing but they are hiding behind 'public' correctness. FEYA FEYA okubhalwe ngabantu abathize la enkundleni angitshoni ngibala ngithi kuright konke. I agree with the man and not his ideas. When battle lines are drawn, there is no more logic. One just has to take sides. What do you think it means when big old men come round and say there is no crisis in zim? I ts a time of war, you have to know your own. Or is it Mthwakazi only who must not know his own? Even a dog knows its owner. Someone has to learn to tell the truth, lingabe lilokhu lisivala amehlo ngamasweet-nothings coupled political correctness which is making us more and more irrelevant by each day to our cause. Everybody is playing their cards under the table and come round asking Mthwakazi to play her cards on the table.For how long will this continue, Mthwakazi being taken for a ride again and again and again? EVERYBODY IS THROWING TANTRUMS BUT uMTHWAKAZI NGUYE YEDWA OKUFANELE EHLISE UMOYA, WHY?

Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
This is the usual paralysis of analysis that is fast becoming the trademark of many in this site.



Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo

It is this same flawed mentality that has allowed rigging of elections to take place kwaMgots- rigging would not be possible without a baseline on which to build upon. Has Mugabe rigged elections in his favour in these three constituences? Probably not forthe following reasons- there is nothing outstanding about these three places - so why rig there and not the rest of Matebeland? This is based on the premise that one rigs elections to win them - then ZPF would be the first party in the history of rigging to rig election in order to lose seats as it regularly does in Matebeleland!


Aliboni ukuthi konke lokhu yibumbulu kuphela, ukukhangelela abantu phansi, ingqondo zezanu kuphela. Umuntu kuzwa ngujazi kuphela la emhlabeni. Thina abanye asikwanisi lokho.



Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (07/18/08 11:11 AM)
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#39141 - 07/18/08 01:04 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
nejana Offline
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Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 53
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Singamzonda uJazi,Simbize ngawo wonke amagama amabi ngoba he differs vastly with some post here, kodwa sometimes lobaba, uyafaka umbono ojulile, njalo enolwazi olusezingeni.please read his posting again, i know i will subject to insults and slurs, but you cant keep a good man down.
madoda mina ngihlala egwanda south, ngasuka koGodlwayo ngakhela khona eMajahundeni, i will shed little light about why zanu gets more votes especially in gwanda south.abantu abanengi kuleya ndawo bayabesaba ubob wabashaya kakhulu ngesikhathi seGukura, njalo inengi ngamagwala, abanye ngabathengisi, so akuthenjwana.
They would rather please him and suffer quietly ngoba basuke bacange kungenzeka ayilethe umgaba eynye igukura.
abantu bakhathele ngoba kungathi there is no this monster going.
angazi ke ukuthi why insiza and bbridge bemvotela, mhlawumbe yikuthi igukura ayingenanga.

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#39142 - 07/18/08 01:13 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: nejana]
lvovo Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
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Nejana, lapha ulibekile iqiniso mnumzane...
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#39147 - 07/18/08 09:17 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: lvovo]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: lvovo
Nejana, lapha ulibekile iqiniso mnumzane...
Originally Posted By: nejana
Singamzonda uJazi,Simbize ngawo wonke amagama amabi ngoba he differs vastly with some post here, kodwa sometimes lobaba, uyafaka umbono ojulile, njalo enolwazi olusezingeni.please read his posting again, i know i will subject to insults and slurs, but you cant keep a good man down.



Originally Posted By: lvovo
Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
The underlying misconception here is that one should always show same loyalty i.e always vote for say the MDC or ZPF regardless of what it is that those two parties have to offer. In other words the loyality that one shows to one's football team is the same loyalty that one should show to a political party come election time ! That loyalty being blind, unquestioning and undying through thick and thin! We come to where we are now precisely because of this flawed mentality.


Your comments are refreshing.



its not about iqiniso or amanga, that is not the issue.The baseline is that we are here to conscentise every Mthwakazian about our situation and the pursuance of our independence from the Shona. jazi denies all our problems, he says its not true. Ivovo is always antiMTHWAKAZI but ungani uyafihla. That is why ivovo has failed to answer a simple question like 'wena uthini ngokuthi sisuke ngaphansi kwamashona' Esikwalayo yikuthi liduhise abantu bakithi lithi akula marginalisation. Anybody is able to say bits of truth here and there somewhere down the line.Even mgabe says,we dont want recolonisation yes its true we dont want it, the west has a wayward foreign policy, yes we all know that, we sacrificed so much for the liberation struggle, yes its true but all that is not what we are talking about mgabe, people are saying we dont want you anymore.Nejana came ngokuhlambaza straight away, high minded and inaccessible and this combination does not surprise many anyway. Akumangalisi ma uBiti supports itruth kaMORGAN AND MGABE S CRONIES standing by mgabe. So vele lingasitsheli ngeqiniso likajazi nguboss wenu, so lami kangibe loboss wami ngokuthanda kwami.We vovo kungayeka njani ukuba refreshing kulotshwe ngumgabe mr jonathan moyo. Yikho ngithe vele idebate eletshayina phakathi ayifiki ndawo. YINI LINGAHAMBI KUMA SITE ESITSHAYINENI, NOMA LISITHI ALISIWO BUT INHLIZIYO ZENU NGEZAMASHONA period.




Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (07/18/08 09:55 PM)
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#39355 - 08/03/08 05:53 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
mpho1 Offline
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Registered: 04/03/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Gauteng,South Africa
inkinga ngabantu abafana nawe Mthwentwehlaba yikuthi Itshona ulizonda laku internet maliqamuka emthonjeni nguwena ohamba phambili ukulemukela ushesha uguqukele olimini lwakwe ukhombise ukuleyamukhela!


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#39356 - 08/03/08 06:49 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: mpho1]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 360
Loc: UG
Yes Mpho
Ngithemba ukahle mina ngisaphila. I do believe that there is no one who is perfect. So lami I expect abangithandayo bake bengidonsele ngasese la engiphambanisa khona. Its not a nice feeling but I m ruthlessly teaching myself to learn to accept correction. So ma ulakho ofuna ukungincweba indlebe ngakho I m ready to listen. What have I done? What do you suggest I should do? Thanking you in anticipation.
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#39357 - 08/03/08 07:48 PM Re: ZANU LOYALISTS IN MATABELELAND? [Re: nejana]
mg_d Offline
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
NEJANE MNTAKABABA PHILA LAMI NGIYA PHILA MFOWETHU.INDABA LE OYIKHULUMAYO YOKUTHI ABANTU BASEGWANDA BATSHAYWA KAKHULU YIGUKULAWNDI YIYO EYENZA UKUTHI BAVOTELE IZANU AYIKHO BABA WAMI, CHECK THI ONE MINA I`M FROM KEZI MAPHISA.DURING THAT TIME YOKUTSHAYWA KWABANTU NGAMATSHONA I WAS AGROWN MAN.MANY PEOPLE DIED THAT TIME EMAPHISA ABANYE BANYAMALALA NDODA BUT EVEN NOW GO THERE AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ZANU YOU`LL SEE THE REACTION OF PEOPLE WHO WERE BEATEN BY THESE DOGS.UKUVOTELA IZANU ITS NIOT UKUTHI PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OR WHAT MINA ANGATHI KULOBUTHENGISI OF SOME SORT.ANGAZI UKUTHI AMADODA AYIBONA NJANI LENTO.SUERLY THERE ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WERE BEATEN.
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