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#39166 - 07/21/08 11:57 AM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: welly]
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Iqiniso bafowethu yikuthi asifani singabantu, ngakho asisoke sapha wonke umuntu igama linye. Akusiyo i Zioni church lemfundisi wayo elobubi, kodwa ububi busebantwini. Singazalwa muntu munye kodwa sehlukane ngendlela ezinengi. Lakho ezinkonzweni lapha kukhona abazenzisi labaqinisekileyo. Asingeke sigcone ubuhle obulethwa livangeli ngenxa yezimvu ezimnyama phakathi kwethu. Xola mfowethu, ngoba ngibona angathi inkulumo zakho yindlela yokukhupha ubuhlungu ngalokho amanye amalunga ebandla lakho abakuphatha ngayo, hatshi lona ivangeli ngokwalo impela

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#39186 - 07/22/08 02:54 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: Mamthunzi]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
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Loc: UK
Yet again mama the emphasis of my post is lost.

I will be clear when I turned to iZioni for help in my time of need mina angangise bunyameni, I was welcomed with open arms. I was well taken care of and fed even more than my relatives have done. Actually I can vouch to say that if there be anyone in UK who is destitute if you just walk eZioni Church you will be clothed fed and they will fast, pray, babophe intambo ,bethunqisele,babombe amagama eHome Office. I tell you they will go beqanse intaba eScotland to force work and papers for you.If you lost your wife or husband or boyfreind bamfaka esiguqweni bafake igama lakhe emanzini beku dibise elwandle eSouthend hawu bazaku holisa izighubhu zamanzi emini lantambama.

However there lies the deceit and evil of satan. What you are actually doing is selling yourself to the devil.

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Luk 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?


Oh shame mama what you have just done is you have chosen to gain the world and bought yourself a non return ticket to esihogweni somlilo. Unless God has mercy on your self indeed you will reap what you sow the world and hell itself. Its like those that prostitute themselves to feed their children.

Khangela mama labo abapropheti abayibo abakuholisa izighubu eziphethe impilo yakho.

I tell you kuwo wonke amabandla eUK eSouthend,Luton,Leicester khangela impilo yabapropheti bangakhona. Yibo abalemimoya ehlolayo ukuthi kuthunqiswa njani kubotshwa intambo ebomvu kumbe emhlophe.

Uthini yena uJesu Christu ongunkulunkulu

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Kambe need I be specific ukuthi Laba amapropheti baphila impilo ye credit fraud. Ngitshele wena ibandla lakho and I will specify ukuthi lowana umpropheti uphila ngokubopha intambo zobusela empilweni yakhe. Bayaziqenya ngokuthi bona baphezulu ngomkhuleko bebeda bephezulu ngokuganga kukasatane.

Sokwabuya futhi omunye oziyenza uGutha umlimi waphansi okulamahunga hunga ukuthi sevule elakhe ibandla elinye eLuton. Hatshi kulelo angikahambi khona ngizwa kuthiwa yena ukhulekela amaperfume ukuthi ephiwe amadoda ukuthi ethande amantombazana. Kambe ububi lobu kalibuboni na.

Ilizwi is very clear who is lead by the devil and who is led by The True Spirit of Jehovah. Sesabayekelela

2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.


These prophets of Baal are corrupt bangamagwala. They know me very well why dont they put their useless visions here and challenge what i have to say. Are they vessels fitted for destruction by the wrath of God.

Kubhalwe ngaphi eBibilini ukuthi umuntu uyanikwa inthethelelo ephezulu kwe GAZI LIKA JESU CHRISTU

Ye siyazi ukuthi uyise wemimoya yabo usatane ngokwakhe waqamba amanga lasekuqaliseni efuna ukuziphakamisa phezulu kwesihlalo senkosi uJEHOVAH OLUNGILEYO.

WAKUBONA KUBHALWE NGAPHI UKUTHI IMPILO YOMUNTU IDZINWA YIZIGHUBHU ZAMANZI.

This is utter foolisness cowardice and absolute witchcraft. To exchange the Glory majesty and dominion of Almighty God Jesus Christ and his precious blood sufficient as payment for all sins past present and future. Rather you have devised and concocted evil in the eyes of Jehovah.

Those who want wisdom why dont you ask God for it, its that simple. O does it take incarseration into mental institution as to myself to wake you up. Dont you see that the art of dancing as lovely as it is without truth is an abomination to the Lord.

I tell you uMgabe bavala iChurch okwakuthiwa yiwaphusa waphusa o something like that. It was full of prostitution and a disease to society. I charge you that amabandla lawa have become brothels
and a den of theives not prayer houses.

Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mar 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luk 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.






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#39208 - 07/23/08 03:04 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: welly]
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Welly,
Ndoda follow lokhu okuthunywe yiNkosi, you might be holding back i salvation yabantu abanengi and ungayekela ukwenza okuthunywe nguMdali uyayazi imbadalo yakhona.
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#39211 - 07/23/08 08:01 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: Bullet_Success]
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Registered: 07/20/08
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Loc: United Kingdom
God's People...Hi?

I have been amused to an extent by the responses and everything that has been noted in this discussion Re the Evil Teaching within the Zion Churches whether National or Worldwide.


I must say that to a great extent I agree with the points that our brother Welly has made, they are indeed valid and those who are within the fold and not afraid to see the truth for what it is would be willing to take this discussion to a whole new level and the reason I note that, is because people need not be killing each other with their tongues but rather come up with a solution to make things better.


In the Book of John 4 vs 32, the Bible talks about the truth that we need to know and that is the kind that would set us all free. I would also note that perhaps like brother Welly, people are where they are spiritually because their eyes have not yet been opened and their ears not yet heard the wonderful things of God in order to truly comprehend that we need to change and become more like Christ.


What I would also like people to understand is that my perception of this whole issue is not that the teachings are evil but that there is a LACK in the teachings. Not in every church but individually. I know people within the fold who will get you to understand the truth in the Bible about how we Christians should conduct ourselves yet the main problem is that a lot of people within the Hieracrchical circle of the church are?the ones who lack understanding of the Bible teaching therefore they cannot be a living example to those who are lost and seeking the truth. It then becomes a case of the blind leading the blind.


If I don't know the true teachings of the Word myself, then it is easy for me to come to a church like iZion, get prayed for to a point that the things in my life change for the better, I get comfortable and never truly question why things are the way they are in certain people's lives so I continue and let people do what they do best.

I say this in the name of experience. I have been there and I still go there almost week in, week out. It is because I have also been raised attending a different church with a different way of teaching of the Bible, that I spent immeasurable time in study and I myself know how one who professes to be a child of God would and should behave.So the real solution should be that people get together, get some real study and understanding of the Word that the Lord may gives the spirit of discernment about our lives and we may begin to change and become like Christ.

It has nothing to do with iZion as a whole or any other church for that matter but the fact that we are all sinners in serious need of the truth and salvation. People like brother welly who have a deep understanding of the Word of God, should teach others without losing composure. A lot of people will be discouraged from this and some may have had the hope that attending iZion was an incredible opportunity to find the true likeness of Christ.Lets not kill each other people...lets get together and reason to get understanding of God's Word and the true character of God and begin to live like it.


I admit that what I see on display at church is not encouraging and sometimes you wonder what the point is yet I can't cast the first stone because my sins are many yet the Word does say, LOVE covers a multitude of sins. Let us so love one another to a point that when you see a brother or sister not living according to the Word of God, we teach each other in love always and that the corrected not take offence.


I am up and coming in the Study of God's Word and it has changed a lot of my bad behaviour so to speak and I am willing to volunteer my service as service to the Lord and have studies with others as we endevour to live a life that pleases Christ.I tell you one thing for sure, having someone go on about the wrong you may be doing doesn't necessarily make you want to change or even willing to see that what you are doing is wrong. Lets do a new thing and teach one another.


I guess to mention that people living with each other and unmarried is against God's Word is one of the most obvious things that we need to put to an end. I am guilty of that too.


Being married and having extra-marital affairs especially within the church circle is against God's Word and that must stop.


Unmarried girls having married men's children and then having a blessing ceremony isn't ideal though the child is always a blessing from God...that also must be put to an end.


Pastors/Leaders...people with responsibilities changing relationships like underwear instead of marrying is unnaceptable and against God's will for our lives. WE must stop.


Leading a life of dishonest spoil...money not laboured for is unfair to those who worked for it for others to take...people even if its 2phr...WORK!!!! So we need to stop that.


Gossiping...WOW, that needs to go!
Back Stabbing, what's the point of saying I have got a brother or sister in Christ if none lives like one?


Anyway...these are just SINS of the WORLD NOT JUST THE CHURCH, pity to say that the CHURCH is where you see it most.

Lets get together people and learn the truth because the time is short and the Jesus will come back and find us in our mess and some of us in our vomit!!! We need to stop sinning and go right back to Christ. Sin is RANCID...

let us defeat Satan but we can't do it without Christ. Come let us worship in Spirit and in Truth.


Edited by TshuxieP (07/23/08 08:07 PM)
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#39214 - 07/23/08 09:28 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: TshuxieP]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
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1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1Ti 5:21 I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

1Ti 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

Turning to what the word says it is clear that what the prophets eZioni do should be scrutinised openly. Sonke esigenayo iZioni or those who have been and I mean all of them some here on the forum know explicitly the evil things done by these guys. These guys are not willing to stop but rather are hardened in sinful depravity.

Notice carefully verse 22 it says lay hands on no man suddenly but these prophets are keen to lay their sinful hands so as to pevert such vulnerable people who dont know the truth and in this share their sins as the verse says. I tell you the thing is if you want to go and rob someone these days you run eZioni so they lay hands on you bekunike izighubu lentambo thats what they do. Its blatant witchcraft I say it again and again liyaloya.

1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Indeed It is my prayer that those to be saved may begin to fear God and know ukuthi ukuthatha inthethelelo eZioni yikuloya witchcraft and this is the truth. Yes I have done it exstensively kodwa mangife ngikhulume iqiniso. Look at the enemity between these prophets coz they fight for customers becoz they receive payment.

Always surprised me eZioni umunta uyacelisa imithandazo nge ?5 or ?10 surely this practise comes from another Bible. Do you pay for favours from God. Can one bribe God with money he has created. Honestly the lack of wisdom in our community sisebunyameni bemaguswini.



2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Yes exposing sinful evil things should go with proper teaching showing that prayer is absolutely 100% free of charge everytime everywhere forever.

Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Believe it or not lami kwangibamba okumoya kasatane okuprohpita amanga though I must tell it would reveal exactly concerning whatever was at hand then. So i know exactly ukuthi these guys do receive call it messages from spiritual realm. However it never gives biblical knowledge hence you can always catch it out. So my fight is perchance some of these guys may be brought to pray for the real Holy Spirit which would not teach you how to successfully rob and do fraud.

Tts 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Well my strenghth comes from knowing 100% that if anyone is against me I have God himself as my defense because i speak the truth in the name of The Almighty God jesus Christ.





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#39216 - 07/24/08 07:09 AM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: welly]
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Registered: 06/21/07
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Loc: banana republic
Welly,
Siyabonga ndoda yakithi eqotho, ngokumela iqiniso okungela kuzenzisa! Into ekhona yikuba imfundiso yiso isiqokoqela. Izenzo zabantu zivela ezintweni abazikholwayo. Uma sikholwa amanga impilo zethu zisebumnyameni!
The best way to deal with this is to lay out some teaching and then refute it with scripture. Their deeds of course demonstrates that their teaching/doctrine is false!

Siyabonga ukuba usize isizwe sakithi!

omnyama

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#39221 - 07/24/08 01:46 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: omnyama]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
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Loc: UK
Thank you my brother. It is a wonderful thing that The Good lord sends me encouragement because I lament and in great pain to see my fellow kith and kin in absolute darkness.

How can I put it across to spell it out clearly that my brothers and I mean all of them eZioni are dealing treacherously with the Lord. They provoke God to anger dont they know that The Good Lord is able to bear great contempt storing up revenge that will be eternal.

There is at least one brother who knows the evil doctrine fully but he is adamant in furthering the cause eZioni. Actually should he not come out in the open and die in his sins he will receive greater punishment than these evil prophets because the Lord has shown him the truth but his evil heart persists in maintaining and funding and organises rebellion against the Good Lord. He partakes in the very evil and worse than and more guilty than all the others. Yes I am addressing my fellow close brother eZioni. You know I am talking about you. Just because you are not involved in prostitution eZioni does not absolve you from the practises theirin. Everyday you watch the heireichy eLuton who abuse all the girls who join iChurch. How many of the Leaders eLuton are maried I know of only one or maybe two more the rest are adulterers and constantly changing women who join Church. Yes even there is a notorious sexual beast eLuton known to be in sexual liason with married women within the congregation. Yes we all know what is done. Need I move to the goings on eLeicester in both the grouping there.

Know this there are degrees of punishments in hell. The more severe the sins the hotter the eternal flames.Yes enjoy your sins all you can because the fire gets hotter and hotter corespondingly. Perhaps thats why we have received much scorn from others when we have changed from sexual beasts. You think our sexual organs are unable to perform. you fool yourselves I personally undergoe the very same temptations and anguish brought about by our sinful bodies. However reading the bible and fastings do help and prayer. Surely is the God we pray to deaf and unable to send help. No rather I know that amapropheti eZioni hand out imvusakunzi. Yes they have inthethelelo to make you more sexually potent so as you can sleep with as many women as you can get your hands on. Surely is this the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Yes I pray that it may please God rather that I die instantly than be found in sexual sin either in public or secretly in my home God forbid. yes everyday I would rather wake up dead, for each day I fear that I shall fall into this heinous of crimes. If it pleases God I would have had God cut off this body member because great is sin brought by it. May the will of God be done for he is worthy of all praise and Glory forever egameni lika Jesu Christu

The fundermental error in teaching eZioni is that they have replaced the sufficiency of the sacrifice ( inthethelelo) yeGazi lika Jesu Christu. They have these spirits constantly dishing out inthethelelo to people to obtain things from God.

Listen I tell you if you buy a gun and shoot a person, non the less God may grant you to kill that person but never ever think God is unable to exstract vengence for murder. Yes God has granted these Zionis papers,sucess in fraud,prostitution and all these evil. However I warn you change your ways and come before the lord for remission of sins. You cannot mock God. AmaZioni are notorious for using their magical arts to advance themselves in the work place. This is an evil beyond description.

I SAY IT AGAIN ALL THOSE EZIONI ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE

There are no righteous teachings eZioni but mastering of dance. Actually they dance from evil hearts and it is an abomination before the lord.

I have received feedback from the leaders eZioni. They are cowards fettering on the fringes and scared to call me directly. They have received my numbers but because they know that evil resides in their hearts are unable to aproach me. Surely they fear me a sinful human being surely how will they approach a Mighty Omnipotent God, who has clothed himself in unapproachable light. Yes even my closest one eLuton has not mentioned a single word about my post or said anything to me on the phone. Yes their guilty hearts condemns them before God. Surely do they think God is not reading these forum threads. Insanity to say the least.

Yes they wait anxiously to see if i will begin to name names. Well where shall I start. Ye Zigangi zeZioni all these years you have prospered in your evil. My God never sleeps nor gets tired. Has he ever been known to blink. Yes I am in constant prayer for your souls for In flesh I am no better than you. However let every man be a liar but God remains forever true. In God there is no shadow of turning no darkness at all. Truth is righteousness.

The thing that makes it difficult to change iZioni from the inside is that lathi thina esipendukela khona sihamba sisiyadinga labo abalamandla over the home office and police and lovers. Actually we go eZioni not to change to righteousness but to pepertuate our evil sinful desires. So hence if we die eZioni we receive the just recompense of evil corruption which is eternal worms and fire.

Make no mistake about it the gain of money and sexual endeavours may make us forget about death. However of all ever born they have all met their death. It is apointed to all men to die thereafter to enter into judgment. My God and Saviour knows I speak the truth in his name. We will all receive an eternal body and woe unto him who shall fall under the righteous judgment of our maker Jesus Christ who is Lord and God over all.To him alone be Glory power and majesty forever Amen.

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#39225 - 07/24/08 02:52 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: welly]
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At least you have said it exposed such things, so leave it to the followers to take it or leave it.
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OkaVodlodloza,UMaqhoba, UJamela, iSilo, inkosi yendle ebhonga emahlathini kuthithibale izidalwa zonke.

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#39229 - 07/24/08 08:08 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: Vodloza_baba]
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Actually baba it is upto The Good Lord to determine how far I am to go. Where is your scriptural backing for your statement. Least you also speak from your vain sinful mind. You care not for our kith and kin who are on a road to perdition. Or it matters not that they die an eternal death.

Actually when you people hear us preach you have fanciful ideas as to our motives. We know that eternal death is real and all the words we speak are true. Yes the devil hates it when the truth be told because Our God is a forgiver of multitudes of sins. However how can anyone be forgiven for they dont know and see their guilt.

If you have words of exhortation speak clearly or remain silent. If you are steeped in your sins willing to die then die alone than seek to silence some of us who have True affectionate sincere love for our kith and kin. The greatest commandment is TO LOVE OUR GOD AND TO LOVE OUR BROTHERS AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. Why should I want to enter into eternal life alone.

God gives wisdom liberally to all who ask. I strongly suggest you heed to this earnestly least you invite wroth from the Lord in attempting to silence his words.


Edited by welly (07/24/08 08:10 PM)

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#39230 - 07/24/08 08:55 PM Re: EVIL TEACHINGS & PRACTISES IN ZIONI CHURCHES I [Re: welly]
welly Offline
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soothsayer noun someone who predicts the future; a seer or diviner. soothsay verb to foretell or divine.

Now there leis the biggest sin eZioni. The quest for everyone to predict the future. This is a grave sin before the Lord.


Num 23:23 Surely [there is] no enchantment against Jacob, neither [is there] any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought!


Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.



Act 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Truely if we examine what is done eZioni it is divination clearly and consisely. Need I remind people that The law demands immediate death sentence upon these prophets.

Exd 22:18 ? Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

What non believers dont know is why get yourself in trouble seeking to predict the future so that you use inthethelelo yeZioni to make it into your advantage. The future is already determined by god and you cannot change the future nor the past. Yes God will still maintain his authority no matter what. So believe in him and accept everything that befalls you. Its the essence and trail of faith. I know this many people cannot comprehend or accept. The solution to life and challenges does not lie in fortelling the future which is what is done in all Zioni churches everywhere. This is blatant satanism. Well on this thread I have concentrated eZioni for they are greatly beloved by me. This practise is not endemic to Zioni only yes pentecostals do it and the various offshoots of Zioni including ZCC, 12Apostles and the list is endless. I speak the truth if you die without being cleansed from this evil practise you shall be flogged dearly in the next life. Passing into the world to come is a certain fact. Heed unto my call and lets have a radical change and turn to the true God who has fixed all things that will ever come to pass.

Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.

Clearly the biggest cause of witchcraft is unbelief. Leave the future in Gods hands.

However notably the prophets eLuton have made a name for themselves in being powerful in determining the future. They are small sinful gods. Luton has become a breeding ground for all peversion all roads lead to these resident prophets of evil. The new prophet who is from South Africa aswell has made his base here. No doubt to tap into the many women folk from ekhaya. As always witcraft is very prevalent amoungst women as in Solomons wives.

Perhaps well they might join the thread and tell us their visions. How be it they are cowards and operate clandestinely as their fraud scams. REPENT LEAST YE DIE AN ETERNAL DEATH

Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ whom alone is God righteous and true Amen

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