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#40165 - 09/17/08 10:38 PM WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO
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WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHOULD FORM AN OPPOSITION PARTY IN A GOVERNMENT OF NATIONAL UNITY.

?For me, in order to form a more perfect opposition party in a Zimbabwe with a government of national unity."

On the 15th of September 2008 in a a flamboyant hotel that stand in central Harare, a group of men gathered with the aim of launching Zimbabwe's improbable experiment in democracy. They signed a historic powersharing deal not only aimed towards the revival of the country's economy and restoring a crumbling health infrastructure, but also aimed at restoring national pride.The document they produced was eventually signed but still unfinished though. It is a document stained by that nation?s original sin.A sin of regarding it as politically correct to massacre,maim or oppress those in the country who by accidents in history, are of foreign descent.These include the white farmers and the people of Matabeleland and the Midlands.No matter how effective the powersharing government would be, a question of where these people stand in it will remain an issue, an issue that can be detrimental to it, and also possess the capability to be a thorn in the flesh of the government of national unity unless and until the founders of the so called GNU choose to open an arena or forum to openly discuss not only such issues as the deliberate development of underdevelopment in the Matabeleland and the Midlands regions but also the compensation of the Gukurahundi victims and that of the white Zimbabwean farmers who were the victims of the typical chaotic Zanu pf land reform program.
While this is ideal, it cannot,in my opinion, come in a silver plate. Those people,the ones who are the acted upon, should stand and fight for their rights of not only possession but also the right to their very existence in Zimbabwe and among the Shona people. The best way they can come nearer to that, is by forming an oppossition political party comprising the people of Matabeleland ,the Midlands and the white farmers.This will be a party that will go beyond narrow corridor politics of tribe,regionalism or race.This will be an internationally recognised party with the agenda of not only to oppose in parliamentary sessions, but a party with a unity of purpose, fighting for future survival. As a proverbial Khalanga saying goes, gaining freedom does not necessarily infer deserting your uncle's village, where you grew up till you were man enough. It means enlightening your uncle that you are a man who deserve ultimate respect. A man with an independent philosophy of life.
I know that my perspective will receive scornful tirade from so called patriotic nationalists who as usual, will wrongly perceive it as divisive and also from those federalists who will probably view it as incorporating some unwanted and suspicious foreign particles.For the nationalists, that will be myopic to say the least,and for the federalists that will amount to a self contradiction.It will be also myopic to fail to note that there are striking resemblance between the backgrounds and experiences of these two groups of people I referred to above despite their differences in skin pigment. As the relationship between Zanu pf and the white farmers seem to have reached a point of no return, the relationship between the Shonas and the Ndebeles is that which is tried and tested again and again but with the same results. Just irreconcilable!
As reseacher Richard Hodder-Wiliams once noted, the antagonism between the Ndebele and the Shona stemmed from the Ndebele conquering the Shona in the nid 19th century, and has been renewed again and again from regeneration to generation through the proceess of socialisation to such an extent that from the 1980s till now a central facet of being Shona or Ndebele inevitably incoporated a sense of mutual enmity.This may be partly because colonial rule in 1890 destroyed Ndebele independence and ultimately reversed the two tribes' relative position of power, leaving the once ruling Ndebele group as a weak minority in a state dominated by its former vassals who appear to be brutally stamping their opportunistic authority. So the conflict between the two is therefore the inevitable consequence of each self-defined tribally aware group dertermined either to reverse the course of history (as in Ndebele case) or to preserve ,by any means necessary and sometimes at all costs, advantages brought by accidents in history (as in Shona case) So we are here presented with two groups who dont only have different backgrounds but also differ vastly ideologically.I will not dwell in the narration of the history of the white farmers but I woud want to mention that similarly it was unleashed to them a different kind of Gukurahundi in the form of war veterans, and it brutalized them. Hence if these two groups would do the unthinkable and form an oppossition party, they will stand up in parliament and say,'we are talking from similar experiences.We have been through it all. We know what we are talking about'.
It shoud be realised that for the Ndebeles to sit and watch while the white farmers are being bungled out of Zimbabwe for the reasons of being of foreign deescent is suicidal. They should rather take it as a warning shot, or an equivocal messages indirected to them saying,'you are next.' Hence my dream of an opposition party comprising these two groups is not far fetched. It can be a stepping stone both groups desperately need not only to achieve their other dreams, but also to bring back their humanity that was inhumanised by a force that need to be halted and can be halted. Just let bygones be bygones with each other and GO FOR IT!
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#40168 - 09/18/08 12:17 AM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mninimuzi]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Mninimuzi
Thanks for your time and effort. I m just trying to follow your thought,but I m missing one or two items to be able to follow it effectively. 1. Do you mean we should go and stand in parliament with these guys who are actively implementing the grand plan on us. Or do you consider the grand plan a bygone?
2.Are you saying these people, now, still think it is correct to kill and maim and oppress those of foreign descent?
3.Do you mean that Ndebeles and shonas are irreconcilable but Ndebeles should go and seek for unity?
3.Do you think that white farmers massacres and gukurawhatever should be forgotten about and let us move on?
4. Do you think Mgabe should not be tried for his crimes?
Ngiyabonga mfowethu, ngisazokumelela ngempendulo ukuze ngifundisise iposting yakho. Thank you.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (09/18/08 12:18 AM)
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#40173 - 09/18/08 06:51 AM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mninimuzi]
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Mninimuzi unjani nsizwa.perfect. just perfect. the white farmers must know its the tshona who kill them not us. we need them . we see them as Africans. we dont hate them.

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#40178 - 09/18/08 12:26 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: duze]
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desperate times call for desperate actions but who doesn't know that the battle for zimbabwe is the battle for the white farmers and their british influence and of course their money.
1. mugabe won them in the early 80s and mqabuko lost them, their money and their influence and his political career began a tsunamic nosedive.
2. mugabe lost them in the late 90s, and he has not been spared from the consequences. his career is destined for the political dustbin.
3. tswangirai was hijacked from the masses and cloned by the very same whites into their puppet, and his sell by date is nigh!!
my point? whites (especially farmers) are only intrested in "their" farms and most of them are in mashonaland. they will always use their influence to get them, including supporting those who will not take it from them.in fact they will support the shonas in our extermination because it will divert attention from them?were where they during the Gukurahundi?
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#40181 - 09/18/08 12:43 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mpumelelo101]
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were where they during the Gukurahundi?


Ubuza kahle Mpumelelo. Ungabuka i BBC PANORAMA documentary into Gukurawundi, which was filmed ngo 1983, inside Matabeleland ngesikhathi se Gukurawundi, white farmers are interviewed and happily admit to have been issued with AK47s by Zanu so that they can "defend themselves". So, white farmers were a Zanu militia, just like the Green Bombers are namhla.

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#40192 - 09/18/08 04:37 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mpumelelo101]
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Mpumelelo kunjani wethu. mina ngisaphila. wethu angeke ngikuphike lokho okushoyo ngamafama amhlophe. kuliqinisa ukuthi sathi sibulawa babebhekile. ngiyazi kunzima ukuthi namhlanje kubulawa bona sokukhona abanye bethu abathi makuqedwe lokho. it is a very dificult corner to defend. sure. kodwa uma siqathanisa ububi bomlungu nobetshona, cha kuyofakaza wena wethu. mina ngithi labobelungu ababezonda abantu sebafa bonke. laba abamanje,cha iningi labo bazifanela nathi. bakholelwa ku Charles Darwin. siyefana sonke. kodwa cha wethu uqinisile. ngiyabonga. sala kahle . uzobakhona na ngeyi 12?

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#40194 - 09/18/08 05:28 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mninimuzi]
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Uyazi bengicabanga. Into le eyenzakala eZimbabwe its our opportunity thina MaNdebele. Siyazi sonke ukuthi uMugabe is very vulnerable at the moment, futhi siyazi ukuthi uTsvangirayi umzonda kubi. Into engiyitshoyo lapha yikuthi uTsvangirai half yamaMPs akhe ngawe Matebeleland. Kanti why dont we make the deal with the devil, in exchange of ukuthi simxolele for the Gukurahundi atrocities UMugabe kumele asikhulule thina EMatebeland sizibuse and that way laye he can get rid of Tsvangirai. This is our opportunity libona njani kanti.

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#40199 - 09/19/08 03:10 AM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: Ngilosi]
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Ilizwe lethu lathathwa mahala ngokunjalo we will redeem it without paying anything.
Abanye bethu akwaziwa loba ngumlindi wasiphi isambane abagqitshelwa khona. Abasemgodini kubo Antelope mine langaphi langaphi sabezwa but there are many that are unaccounted for. Izanu kuzamele ize itshaye idolo phansi egumeni lika Mthwakazi ozibusayo. Ngalelo langa ma mina ngikhona kusiyangami njalo, kuyokhethwa amaxhegu ambalwa ngesabelo ngesabelo, izanu ibe isibakhokhela isiyabatshengisa lapha izingane zesilo zilele khona. Sokusiya ngesimo somuntu akhale okhalayo aduduzwe ngabafowabo emaxhegwini la. Basebebuyela enkokhelini zakwa Mthwakazi, ibe isixolisa izanu iphinde itshaye phansi tshimbi. Izabelo zikaMthwakazi zo donetha inkomo lezo ezenelisayo, zihlatshwe inkomo lezi.Idliwe inyama begiye abagiyayo kujatshulwe. Zithole ukwehlisa inyembezi lazo izalukazi ma zitshelwa ukuthi abadala akade bethunyiwe bawabonile amathambo abo mafelegangeni ngokwenza kwezanu. Ngiyakutshela mhlalokho uyolibona elikazamcolo kweleMandebeleni.
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#40202 - 09/19/08 01:24 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Uxolo baba Mthwentwe ukuthi ngithathe isikhathi eside ukuphendula imibuzo yakho ebaluleke kangaka.
First you asked,
1. Do you mean we should go and stand in parliament with these guys who are actively implementing the grand plan on us. Or do you consider the grand plan a bygone?

I dont think we should go to parliament and stand with them,but the current political scenario highlights that the immediate solution is that we stand in parliament not WITH them but AGAINST them. No one in their right frame of mind would regard the grand plan as a forgone,As long as the creators of the plan still breath in oxygen and breath out carbon dioxide,the plan will for ever not only exist but see its implementation.

2ndly you asked,
2.Are you saying these people, now, still think it is correct to kill and maim and oppress those of foreign descent?

My answer is YES I DO.

3rdly u asked,
3.Do you mean that Ndebeles and shonas are irreconcilable but Ndebeles should go and seek for unity?

No.But i think the Ndebeles should desist from the habit of merely shouting from yonder the moutains and get down to the house where these dangerous policies are being formulated before implementation and fight the system, not only a shona man walking in the street of Bulawayo.

You asked again,
3.Do you think that white farmers massacres and gukurawhatever should be forgotten about and let us move on?

Again no.I never said that in the posting.I believe in compensation.Not only individual compensation but the revival of national pride(in the case of the Ndebele nation) and a monetary recovery package of the affected areas.This can be demanded from any government in power at any given time,not only from the Mugabe regime.

Lastly you asked,
4. Do you think Mgabe should not be tried for his crimes?

Before i answer this one,i would like to ask you,how many years do you think mgabe can survive in jail if he was to be caged today? I personally believe we let mgabe off hook for all these years.Now,while he is ready to hand himself up,he is bbeing held priison by his former cohorts.It is these people we need to get now,the likes of Perence Shiri,Mnangagwa and others.

Ngiyabonga
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#40270 - 09/22/08 10:56 PM Re: WHY I THINK THE WHITE FARMERS AND THE NDEBELES SHO [Re: mninimuzi]
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Mninimuzi
Kuyabongeka, sekungathi ngiyakuzwisisa manje. Ngabona bengithathele izinto phezulu. Ikahle sibili imibono yakho noma ngingathanda sixoxe some more, ngibona kungcono ngime la, yilo uhlupho lokuxoxa emoyeni akufani lokuxoxa sibhekene.
Ngamafitshane, kanti umuntu ma egwetshwa angitsho kwenzelwa yena,(justice) isizwe/climant (restitution), labanye abangabebecanga ukwenza icala elifanayo.(deterrent) Ithi ngime lana ngingakaphoxwa ngama law experts. Ngibonge kakhulukazi
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