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#40195 - 09/18/08 06:47 PM Silver coins
Walter Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/13/08
Posts: 6
Loc: South Africa
Sanibonani,

Isimo sezimali emhlabeni wonke siyantengantenga.

I recently came across Ed Freeman wase USA on the net. I think lomfo is genuine.
He and his friends advise people to collect real money in the form of silver or gold coins, NOT TO INVEST IN PAPER MONEY (OF ANY COUNTRY), BECAUSE, HE CALLS IT "FIAT MONEY"

I am here in RSA, I fell for his idea, and I gave it try, even though I was skeptical.
Gues what, for the past 4 months, I get my silver coin sent every month to my mail box from USA!
Abathanda ukuthola more information can visit this website: www.silversnowball.com/346
The links will take you to all information you may require.


Walter


Edited by Walter (09/18/08 06:49 PM)

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#40201 - 09/19/08 12:14 PM Re: Silver coins [Re: Walter]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 170
Loc: durban, south africa.
1. ekugcineni uzowantshintsha ama coins akho. angeke uthenge ngayo koSpar noma ubhadale iFees esikoleni. nendlu ngeke uyithenge ngawo.
FIAT money is here to stay.
in finance, there is no commodity or asset which increases in real-value perpetually, its an up/down show.
2. technology is the greatest threat to "precious metals", your silver might be worth absolutely nothing in the long run if a cheaper new industrial alternative is unleashed, it happened before with, lead and its fiat-money-quoted-price plunged.
3. its a matter of timing, in the 1970s OIL reached US$100, 30 years later, yesterday it was US$90.the same has happened with gold and silver, their metioric rise is largely due to the unregulated secretive speculators, with increased transparency expected as a result of what happened in the past few days, your commodities and precious metals are set to return where they belong, down.
4. never put your eggs in one basket.never leave your basket unattended for a long time.never put crocodile eggs with dinausor eggs or chicken eggs.
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those who don't use their freedom to fight for their freedom will lose their freedom!!

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#40225 - 09/21/08 08:06 PM Re: Silver coins [Re: mpumelelo101]
Walter Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/13/08
Posts: 6
Loc: South Africa
Hi Mpumelelo101 and everybody

If you have some spare time to read, here is history of paper money below:


[u]Toilet Paper Money[/u]


The history of fiat money, to put it kindly, has been one of failure. In fact, EVERY fiat currency
since the Romans first began the practice in the first century has ended in devaluation and eventual
collapse, of not only the currency, but of the economy that housed the fiat currency as well.

Why would it be different here in the U.S.? Well, in actuality, it hasn't been. In fact, in our
short history, we've already had several failed attempts at using paper currency, and it is my
opinion that today's dollars are no different than the continentals issued during the Revolutionary
War. But I will get into that in a moment. In the meantime, I will show you that fiat currencies
have not been successful, and the only aspect of fiat currencies that have stood the test of time
is the inability of political systems to prevent the devaluation and debasement of this toilet paper
money by letting the printing presses run wild.

Rome &The Denarius

Although Rome didn't actually have paper money, it provided one of the first examples of true
debasement of a currency. The denarius, Rome's coinage of the time, was, essentially, pure silver
at the beginning of the first century A.D. By A.D. 54, Emperor Nero had entered the scene, and the
denarius was approximately 94% silver. By around A.D.100, the denarius silver content was down to 85%.

Emperors that succeeded Nero liked the idea of devaluing their currency in order to pay the bills
and increase their own wealth. By 218, the denarius was down to 43% silver, and in 244, Emperor
Philip the Arab had the silver content dropped to 0.05%. Around the time of Rome's collapse, the
denarius contained only 0.02% silver and virtually nobody accepted it as a medium of exchange or a
store of value.

China & Flying Money

When the Chinese first started using paper money, they called it "“flying money," because it could
just fly from your hands. The reason for the issuance of paper money is simple. There was a copper
shortage, so banks had switched to the use of iron coinage. These iron coins became overissued and
fell in value.

In the 11th century, a bank in the Szechuan province of China issued paper money in exchange for
the iron coins. Initially, this was fine, because the paper money was exchangeable for gold, silver,
or silk. Eventually, inflation began to take hold, as China was funding an ongoing war with the
Mongols, which it eventually lost.

Genghis Khan won this war, but the Mongols didn't assume immediate control over China as they pushed
westward to conquer more lands. Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai Khan united China and assumed the
emperorship. After running into some setbacks with paper currency, Kublai eventually had some success
with fiat money. In fact, Marco Polo said of Kublai Khan and the use of paper currency:

"You might say that [Kublai] has the secret of alchemy in perfection" the Khan causes every year to
be made such a vast quantity of this money, which costs him nothing, that it must equal in amount
all the treasure of the world.

Even Helicopter Ben would be impressed. Marco Polo went on to say:

"This was the most brilliant period in the history of China. Kublai Khan, after subduing and uniting
the whole country and adding Burma, Cochin China, and Tonkin to the empire, entered upon a series of
internal improvements and civil reforms, which raised the country he had conquered to the highest
rank of civilization, power, and progress."

Wait a second, I thought we were bashing fiat currencies here. Can anyone say crackup boom? Since
Marco Polo experienced this firsthand, and has been very helpful to us thus far, I think I will
allow him to finish his analysis of China's paper money experiment.

Population and trade had greatly increased, but the emissions of paper notes were suffered to
largely outrun both. All the beneficial effects of a currency that is allowed to expand with a
growth of population and trade were now turned into those evil effects that flow from a currency
emitted in excess of such growth. These effects were not slow to develop themselves. The best
families in the empire were ruined, a new set of men came into the control of public affairs, and
the country became the scene of internecine warfare and confusion.

I wonder if Keynes read Marco Polo's experiences with Chinese fiat currencies when he said that the
U.S. government should just bury bottles full of money in old mine shafts to spur economic growth.

France & Livres, Assignats, and Francs

The French have been particularly unsuccessful in their attempts with fiat money.

John Law was the first man to introduce paper money to France. The notion of paper money was greatly
helped along by the passing of Louis XIV and the 3 billion livres of debt that he left.

When Louis XV was old enough to make his own mistakes, he required that all taxes be paid in paper
money. The currency was backed by coinage until people actually wanted coins.

The theme of the day, the new paper currency rapidly became oversupplied until nobody wished to own
the worthless junk anymore and demanded coinage for their currency.

Oops. It looks like Law didn't think that anyone would actually want coins ever again. After making
it illegal to export any gold or silver, and the failed attempts by the locals to exchange their
paper currency for something of actual value, the currency collapsed.

John Law became the most hated man in France and was forced to flee to Italy.

In the latter part of the 18th century, the French government again tried to give paper money
another go. This time, the pieces of garbage they issued were called assignats. By 1795, inflation
of assignats was running at approximately 13,000%. Oops.

Then Napoleon stepped on the scene and brought with him the gold franc. One of the good things that
Napoleon realized is that gold is the way of a stable currency, and that's what pretty much ensued
during his reign.

After Waterloo had come and gone, the French gave it another go in the 1930s, this time with the
paper franc. It took only 12 years for them to inflate their currency until it lost 99% of its
value. History has proven a couple things about the French: 1) They are quick to surrender and
2) They are very talented at making worthless currency.

Weimar Germany & Mark

Post-World War I Weimar Germany was one of the greatest periods of hyperinflation that ever existed.
The Treaty of Versailles was essentially a financial punishment placed on Germany to make reparations.

The sums of money to be paid by Germany were enormous, and the only way it could make repayment was
by running the printing press. (Huge unpayable debt hmmnn that sounds familiar. I wonder what the
solution in the U.S. will be.)

Inflation got so bad in this period that German citizens were literally using stacks of marks to
heat their furnaces. Here is a brief timeline of the marks per one U.S. dollar exchange rate:

April 1919: 12 marks
November 1921: 263 marks
January 1923: 17,000 marks
August 1923: 4.621 million marks
October 1923: 25.26 billion marks
December 1923: 4.2 trillion marks.

More Recent Times

In recent times, fiat failures have become more common occurrences. For the sake of time, I won't go
into extensive details of all these examples of paper money failures, because there are SO many. But
here you have it:

In 1932, Argentina had the eighth largest economy in the world before its currency collapsed. In
1992, Finland, Italy, and Norway had currency shocks that spread through Europe.

In 1994, Mexico went through the infamous "Tequila Hangover," which sent the peso tumbling and
spread economic hardships throughout Latin America.

In 1997, the Thai baht fell through the floor and the effects spread to Malaysia, the Philippines,
Indonesia, Hong Kong, and South Korea.

The Russian ruble was not the currency you wanted your investments denominated in 1998, after its
devaluation brought on economic recession.

In the early 21st century, we have seen the Turkish lira experience strokes of hyperinflation
similar to that of the mark of Weimar Germany.

In present times, we have Zimbabwe, which was once considered the breadbasket of Africa and was one
of the wealthiest countries on the continent. Now Mugabe's attempts at price controls, combined with
hyperinflation, have the nation unable to supply the most basic essentials such as bread and clean
water.
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Lessons to Be Learned

Here in the U.S., I should say the lessons were not learned. There are many consistencies from the
above-mentioned stories that led up to the eventual collapse of the currencies.

The scary thing is that the U.S. has some of these above-mentioned characteristics, the ones that
lead to toilet paper money becoming just that. More on that in just a second. I would first like to
give a brief look at the U.S. attempts with paper money in our short history.

The first attempt with paper money came in 1690 with the issuance of Colonial notes. The first
Colonial notes were issued in Massachusetts and were redeemable for gold, silver, corn, cattle and
other commodities.

The other Colonies quickly jumped on the toilet paper money bandwagon and began issuing their own
paper currencies. Like a broken record, the money quickly became overissued. The lessons of John Law
and others were definitely not learned. It is not good enough just to say that a currency is backed
by commodities. It actually HAS to be backed by commodities. Essentially, it was still a fiat money,
and in a short period of time, Colonials became as good as toilet paper.

The next experiment came during the Revolutionary War. Big surprise — the issuance of paper money
was used to finance the war efforts. This time, the currency was called a continental.

The crash of the continental was spectacular, and the phrase "not worth a continental" was coined.
This brought on a large distrust for paper currency, and until 1913, toilet paper money in the U.S.
wasn"t used.

Enter the infamous Federal Reserve and its monopoly on money and interest rates. Now we have the
greenback.

Although the money was "officially" backed by a gold standard until 1971, it wasn't a true gold
standard. When the government found it inconvenient to have a gold standard, it just made it illegal
for U.S. citizens to hold gold or exchange dollars for gold.

As reported on Strike-the-root.com:

"“Under the infallible leadership of President Franklin Roosevelt, it was made illegal to own gold.
On March 11, 1933, he issued an order forbidding banks to make gold payments. On April 5, Roosevelt
ordered all citizens to surrender their gold" no person could hold more than $100 in gold coins,
except for collector's coins. He also made it unlawful to export gold for payment abroad, unless
done through the Treasury. The penalty for defying Roosevelt was 10 years in prison and a $250,000
fine.!!!!

But the official demise of the dollar was locked into place in 1971 when "“Tricky Dick" Nixon
completely severed all ties between the dollar and the gold standard. During the decade that
followed, the U.S. experienced some of the worst inflation in its history, only matched by today's
U.S. monetary and fiscal irresponsibility.

The U.S. of A. has all the characteristics set in place that have led to the collapse of every other
fiat currency money in history.

We are currently at war, and the financing of this war is extremely inflationary. In fact, if you
look back at our history, since 1914, the U.S has engaged in 16 military conflicts. We have been
involved in some form of violent international accord in 44 of the past 93 years. The overwhelming
majority of military conflicts result in monetary inflation.

The U.S. has a debt similar to that of Weimar Germany. All though the reasons for the debt are
completely different, it appears that this Mount Everest of IOUs is going to be impossible to pay
back. I guess the U.S. could just print 10 trillion dollar bills and hand them out, but the
implications of such actions are obvious.

We are currently increasing the supply of dollars at a rate of 13% per annum. This over-issuance
of a currency has been the leading indicator of a currency on the brink.

So what's in the future for the dollar?

Some, myself included, might say that the dollar has already failed. It has lost over 92% of its
value since its initial issuance in 1913. After the revaluation in 1934, the dollar dropped another
41%. In my opinion, it already is toilet paper money, but for the above-mentioned characteristics,
which are alarmingly similar to the circumstances that led up to the eventual collapse of the
dollar's toilet paper predecessors, I believe that we have seen only the tip of the iceberg of the
dollar's inevitable path toward becoming toilet paper money.

Regards,
Nick Jones

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#40227 - 09/21/08 09:10 PM Re: Silver coins [Re: mpumelelo101]
Walter Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/13/08
Posts: 6
Loc: South Africa
hi

more info about commodities, ie silver in particular in the link below http://www.silverstockreport.com/

walter

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