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#40258 - 09/22/08 04:54 PM Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki!
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From CNN's Nkepile Mabuse and Kim Norgaard.
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) -- South Africa's ruling African National Congress party is to name deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe as the successor to President Thabo Mbeki Monday, two government sources have told CNN.

The announcement is expected to be delivered by Mbeki's political rival, ANC President Jacob Zuma -- one day after Mbeki formally announced his resignation.
Motlanthe will take over as South Africa's president until elections in the spring of next year, which Zuma is widely expected to win, the sources said.
South Africa's parliament -- where the ANC holds a two-thirds majority -- will convene Tuesday to consider Mbeki's replacement.
Addressing the nation on Monday, ANC President Jacob Zuma praised his political archrival Mbeki for his work and said he expects a "smooth transition" to a new president, hinting that Mothlanthe would be the party's presidential nominee.
"We have in Cabinet many experienced Ministers including the Deputy President of the ANC, Comrade Kgalema Motlanthe," Zuma said, according to a copy of his prepared statement. "I am convinced that if given that responsibility he would be equal to the task."
Earlier this month, the ANC asked Mbeki to step down after a judge threw out the corruption, fraud and racketeering case against Zuma, calling it invalid and accusing Mbeki's government of political interference in the case.
Critics of Mbeki alleged he pushed for the corruption charges against Zuma.
Mbeki said the African National Congress will determine when his resignation takes effect.
Some of Mbeki's Cabinet told him Sunday that they would quit if he resigned, a source with knowledge of the meeting told CNN, but Mbeki urged them to stay in government.
Mbeki, 66, had been president for nearly 10 years, succeeding Nelson Mandela. "I depart this office knowing that many men and women in South Africa have worked to achieve better lives for all," he said Sunday.
Under his leadership, South Africa has had the longest period of sustained economic growth in its history and has reached out to indigent people in an unprecedented way, Mbeki added.
He said the country still faces economic, corruption and crime challenges. And he gave his vote of confidence to the next leader's administration without naming who that leader would be.
Gwede Mantashe, secretary-general of the African National Congress, announced Saturday that the party -- with which Mbeki has been involved since his teens -- had asked him to leave before his term was up. Mbeki agreed to do so, he said.
Mantashe said the ANC made the decision "for the citizens of South Africa, so there could be stability within the country" and so the ANC movement could remain "stable and unified."
The party's request to Mbeki came after a judge threw out the corruption, fraud and racketeering case against Zuma on September 12, calling them invalid and accusing Mbeki's government of political interference in the case.
The case against Zuma -- who replaced Mbeki as ANC president last year -- was thrown out in September 2006, but the National Prosecuting Authority recharged him. Judge Chris Nicholson made no ruling on Zuma's guilt or innocence, and he could be recharged.
Political observers doubted that would happen because of Zuma's popularity, including with the Communist Party and trade unions.
Zuma has denied the charges. He said the case was politically motivated, and harmed his chances to become the ANC's presidential nominee.
Mbeki recently brokered a power-sharing deal between Zimbabwe's political rivals, who signed the agreement last week in an effort to put aside the violent past and end the crisis that has paralyzed Zimbabwe since disputed national elections in March.

Some in South Africa are sceptical about the president in waiting, Jacob Zuma,insisting that he isn't a 'president material' candidate, with others making comparisons of him to Robert Matibili-Mugabe.

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#40260 - 09/22/08 05:03 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Mlalazi5ml]
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Kgalema is best compromise candidate, he will help bridge gaps currently prevalent. Look at it this way..a politician is a politician is a politician......do you guys in london know any one that works for Goldman Sachs, Lehman brothers, Deutsche Bank???

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#40263 - 09/22/08 05:14 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Bhakaniya]
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Originally Posted By: Bhakaniya
Kgalema is best compromise candidate...

what are you talking about? do you understand SA politicks? kgalema is he obvious candidate given that zuma is not an MP. otherwise who is compromising with who?
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#40264 - 09/22/08 05:25 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Bhakaniya]
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Bhakaniya,
I hear you BUT I think if we start encouraging actions that go against the law of the land we will be doing ourselves an injustice. I say this because there is a hierarchy of leadership and I don't think that a minister in the Presidency is way up there.
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#40265 - 09/22/08 05:40 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Skhotha]
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Gentleman, has Mr Motlanthe ever been on the wrong side of the party? Did he not openly assert that tehre was division in the party which needed to be addressed? He was firts to admit publicly, and as a public figure has held himself in good stead and has addressed most matters in a diplomatic and statesman like attitude. Kgalema is still in good books with the alliance members and will undoubtedly facilitate noral regeneration at executive level, and ensure that issues are not handled inconsistently. You sdhould have seen him address some of the issues raised this afternoon by th emedia, he is on top of the party's politics and understands the implications of bad dealings/misquotations by the press, which occassionally Nxamalala finds himself exposed to such media injustices. Kgalema is the ace that the party needs to help it through these trying times....the question of Mbethe's non appointment is yet to be addressed, but VP Ngcuka has been contemplating resigning, hence she was over looked, trust me the ANC has chosen the best man for the interim period, an dto most peoples minds KM is constituent of the glue taht will help Msholozi's next gvt to get itself out of the mess we find ourselves subjected to ..we will survive, lets move on to the business of running the country and fostering inestor friendly policies. Party politics shoudl be limited to the ANC, not extended to the judiciary

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#40273 - 09/23/08 02:11 AM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Bhakaniya]
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In truth Kgalema was touted a long time ago by pro-Mbeki sympathisers.
He is not umZulu.
I hear (unsubstantiated) that he was recently ridiculed by the ANCYL as a sell out.
If VP Ngcuka doesn't resign and Kgalema is chosen what does that say about the ANC and government?
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#40275 - 09/23/08 08:07 AM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Skhotha]
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VP ngcuka was not an ANC appointee, she was a mbeki appointee, also she was on the wrong side in POLOKWANE!
i don't believe in the tribilisation of the ANC, zuma has a lot of high profile supporters who are xhosa(zwelinzima vavi, tony yengeni etc)! i think it is a figment of zimbabwean's imagination as they are used to tribal politiks!!
the ANCYL can ridicule anyone including zuma and motlanthe, however they didn't claim he was a sellout, though they issued a veiled threat to people who do not tow the ANC line just like they did with zuma after his court victory!
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#40294 - 09/23/08 09:19 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: mpumelelo101]
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Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101
VP ngcuka was not an ANC appointee, she was a mbeki appointee, also she was on the wrong side in POLOKWANE!
i don't believe in the tribilisation of the ANC, zuma has a lot of high profile supporters who are xhosa(zwelinzima vavi, tony yengeni etc)! i think it is a figment of zimbabwean's imagination as they are used to tribal politiks!!


1) How did you discern between Mbeki the ANC president and Mbeki the individual ito his appointments. Was he not towing the party line when made all his appointments.
2) What are you on about ito tribalisation and Zimbabwean imagination?
uMsholozi has stated that there are no camps just the ANC. There was a contest, it came to pass.
The ANCYL can definitely ridicule anyone as it has shown with Mbeki but Mbeki never bowed to their will, he was soundly defeated, pride and all. Unlike Monthlante who was sounded out (allegedly) and was then seen side by side with them without making a sound to defend his point of view.
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#40300 - 09/24/08 10:13 AM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: Skhotha]
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Originally Posted By: Skhotha

1) How did you discern between Mbeki the ANC president and Mbeki the individual into his appointments. Was he not towing the party line when made all his appointments.
2) What are you on about into tribalisation and Zimbabwean imagination?

on 1. the mbeki that i know never towed the party line especially on issues involving zuma!! he made individual decisions on behalf of the party!!zuma's firing was done single handedly,the ANC+ALLIANCE were not cunsulted!they would not have approved such rubbish!!mbeki appointed mlambo ngcuka without any consultation!!mbeki personalised his cabinet, thats why they are resigning with him.if they were bona-fide party appointee's they wouldn't resign and make themselves avaiable for re-appointment, like manuel!they have been reduced to being mbeki's condoms and ceased to be party loyalists!!during his reign, power was centrallised, he became a mobutu-in-making. luckily he was stopped in his tracks in polokwane!
on 2. zimbabweans(like most africans) are used to a heavy dose of tribal politiks.in zim everything boils down to shona-ndebele, nothing in-between. so they do not take long to interpret any power struggle in tribal terms! zulu-xhosa!luckily in the ANC there is never such a thing as tribal politiks. its a figment of our detractors imagination. there is a montlante, a mandela, a zuma, a vavi, a malema, a phosa, a yengeni etc the so-called mbeki camp is also filled with different members of various tribes. its xhosa-tion is imaginary!!
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#40303 - 09/24/08 03:16 PM Re: Kgalema Motlanthe to be tempra-successor to Mbeki! [Re: mpumelelo101]
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i think this is time zuma and his friends are going to take anc down the drain, imagine taking mbalula to be the minister of finance since trevor resigned and having people like this boy the ancyl president in the cabinet.i think the opposition parties will be strong enough to send zuma and allies packing and there is no gurantee that zuma can win next year`s elections if he wins then south africa will be going zim way unless people like o ramaphosa ,tokyo they come in and help otherwise economical the country will suffer severly.


Edited by mg_d (09/24/08 03:17 PM)
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