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#40956 - 11/10/08 11:37 AM Re: IMITHI LOKUNOTHA [Re: okaMabhedla]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 132
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: okaMabhedla
ukwazela kuphi konke lokhu i.e. ukucaba, etc? are you still practicing that on yourself and your modern christianed kids (if you have)?


Mfowethu ngithemba inkosi ikudzinile. In answer to your question I like everybody else kuMthwakazi was brought up under the influence of our culture we inherited from our forefathers. This is part of our history and is fact. Irregardless of the amount of practice but non the less in the majority if not all uMthwakazi has encountered and practised one form or the other of our cultural belief system.

I find there are a lot of hypocrites in our society of those who act and portray an image that they have never experienced use of herbal and ritual remedies. They further go on to justify themselves in peoples eyes by asserting that our culture is not real and rituals do not have an effect in reality as if its a hoax. However if you scrutinise these people you will notice that they have a guilty consious and are trying to do away with their past by saying that these things are not real. However I wanted to make it clear that no matter what level of use one has made of cututral rituals it is hypocritical to say its non existant or is not real. If you have never had umkhoba for example does not mean it doesnt exist. The fact is there are people who have encountered these things.

Personnally yes ukucaba has been a part of my life in the past but as of now i have clearly converted to Christianity and neither do I practise any part of my cultural background. My son was born before my conversion and hence I did perform some level of inkanda operation on him but to a minimal because by then I had influence of education and was questioning the validity of the practise. Currentlly I will not pursue any part of these rituals but my guide is The Holy Bible prescription of what should be done when lets say my son gets ill. This is basically hospital and prayer strictly.

There are indeed many strange and mysterious happenings on earth in all people groups and they are all a fact of life. The people who say otherwise are just fool hardy and burying their heads in the sand. The ultimate quest in life is to search for and obtain the way that leads to eternal life which is truth. Truth in that it will give you a blessed life beyond the grave. All other ways become false in the sense that they oppose truth hence will fall under judgement and eternal death a life of inflicted pain in eternity beyond the grave. Just because you can for example rape a woman and get away with it does not mean that you will escape eternal judgement. Just because you will use other forms of rituals like ukucaba to preserve life of your children does not mean you will escape judgement in that you have practised what is evil in the eyes of the eternal Judge. Everything all humans do will be Judged by an etrnal Judge and if you do not look at this surelly you will loose your life.

Yes you can steal today and be rich but in eternity die an eternal death. So everything you do you should search if it gives life or indeed if you are accruing death upon your soul.

Hence as is evident for myself i have sought refugee status under Jesus Christ that i may escape eternal death for all evill practises I will ever do.

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#41342 - 12/20/08 05:05 PM AMASIKO ETHU, IVELAPHI YETHU,INDABUKO YETHU? [Re: welly]
abedabuko Offline
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Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Greetings African scholars,academics, intellectuals etc.

What is education--[1]education is translated in many aspects, such as African world centred views are education, through African perspective.European education is centered around Euro-American perspective.They is no mono defination of education, in your understanding, you refered to education meaning adopting western ways of thinking, that is institutionalised form of thinking based on Euro-American values, translated by an African convent.

Culture-defines education
Tradition-defines education
Custorm-define education
So Euro-American module of education was/is based on traditions/values/custorms/cultures?

You as a native black African where is your heritage[imphi ivelephi yakho]Did you know how you survived all the eons before we where conqured and christianised,it is common sense, who are you, where did you come from as a person, do you mean to say god speaks to arabs and whites only.So if it the case who created Africans, if that god only appeares as either arab or white person.


Isn't part of the problem that we have so many intellectuals who are of but not for the Black race and that the people have found no way to identify and discount them? Some are liberal, some are Marxist, some are Christian, some are Muslim, some are Europeanist, some are Arabist, and seek to bring our people into these various folds, these various alien ways of seeing our problems. But they are not about solving our problems to our group benefit. In contrast, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin,Rosa Luxembourg, etc were white intellectuals who did their thinking for the White proletariat and its interest. Likewise Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Tagore etc were Indian intellectuals who did their their thinking for Indians to find solutions to India's problems; Likewise Mohammed and his intellectual heirs--ibn Khaldun, ibn Sinna etc-- did their thinking for the Arabs and the Arab interest. Likewise Mao and the Chinese Communist party were intellectuals who did their thinking for the liberation of China from feudalism and imperialism- - their thinking was focused on solving China's problems of their day. Likewise, Fidel Castro and his party were Cubans who did their thinking for Cuba; Likewise, Jefferson, Madison, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay etc. were white Americans who did their thinking to advance and defend white America's interest. European intellectuals down the centuries, regardless of religious, philosophical or ideological faction, have always done their thinking for the Europeans and to advance the interests of Europe. In brief, the black race sorely needs a party of intellectuals who will, together, think through its problems and figure out ways to defend and advance its group interests. Until that happens, the black intellectuals, with their different individualistic, and mostly foreign-inspired, agendas will continue to mislead the Black people. We cannot afford to assume that just because a thinker is black he is for the black race. It was probably from that naive error that Nkrumah hearkened to the liberal economic prescriptions of Sir Arthur Lewis, assuming that as a black, Sir Arthur was also dedicated to solving the problems of blacks rather than implementing the Europe-serving liberal doctrines of his masters. We must devise tests for determining which black intellectuals are for the black race and therefore worthy of our attention and which are not.We must also learn to detect and discount the frivolous ones who merely indulge themselves in toying with our serious issues Chinweizu


Edited by abedabuko (12/20/08 05:10 PM)

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#41343 - 12/20/08 05:34 PM Re: IMITHI LOKUNOTHA [Re: mbaleki]
abedabuko Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Ignorance is bliss, you have to study about black invesions which are registered under federal government of America, for instance who invented [traffic lights]Gareth Morgan, [who invented clock] Benjamin Banenker,Industrial oiling machine it was Elijah Macoy[real macoy] as tsotsi tal says nguma koya!![macoy]

In America you buy books about black inventions, also you check on federal registred black invesions dating back centuries.
Many universities will offer you educational material if you like to know more about black people invetions.

Under discrimination,segrigation periods black people's intellectual properties where confiscated/conned as invented
by superior whites, since blacks were deemed as intellectual incapable to invent scientific advancement, common sense how did we survive on our own before the invasion of Africa by christian crusaders, how did we heal illnessess, how did we give birth, how did we understand nature, how did we know what nourishes your body and destroys your immune system,how did we tame wild dangerous animals,how did we keep days, how did we shape stones as tools from what source of imagination inspired our thoughts as a people, how did we build communities, how did we set a laws to govern land, how did we preserve food for future consumption.
The list goes on and on, you where brain washed to believe you are not smart enough, since functioning from a western school of thought.Study about building of ancient civilisations in Africa.


Edited by abedabuko (12/20/08 05:36 PM)

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#41346 - 12/20/08 11:45 PM Re: IMITHI LOKUNOTHA [Re: welly]
abedabuko Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Originally Posted By: welly
Originally Posted By: okaMabhedla
ukwazela kuphi konke lokhu i.e. ukucaba, etc? are you still practicing that on yourself and your modern christianed kids (if you have)?


Mfowethu ngithemba inkosi ikudzinile. In answer to your question I like everybody else kuMthwakazi was brought up under the influence of our culture we inherited from our forefathers. This is part of our history and is fact. Irregardless of the amount of practice but non the less in the majority if not all uMthwakazi has encountered and practised one form or the other of our cultural belief system.

I find there are a lot of hypocrites in our society of those who act and portray an image that they have never experienced use of herbal and ritual remedies. They further go on to justify themselves in peoples eyes by asserting that our culture is not real and rituals do not have an effect in reality as if its a hoax. However if you scrutinise these people you will notice that they have a guilty consious and are trying to do away with their past by saying that these things are not real. However I wanted to make it clear that no matter what level of use one has made of cututral rituals it is hypocritical to say its non existant or is not real. If you have never had umkhoba for example does not mean it doesnt exist. The fact is there are people who have encountered these things.

Personnally yes ukucaba has been a part of my life in the past but as of now i have clearly converted to Christianity and neither do I practise any part of my cultural background. My son was born before my conversion and hence I did perform some level of inkanda operation on him but to a minimal because by then I had influence of education and was questioning the validity of the practise. Currentlly I will not pursue any part of these rituals but my guide is The Holy Bible prescription of what should be done when lets say my son gets ill. This is basically hospital and prayer strictly.

There are indeed many strange and mysterious happenings on earth in all people groups and they are all a fact of life. The people who say otherwise are just fool hardy and burying their heads in the sand. The ultimate quest in life is to search for and obtain the way that leads to eternal life which is truth. Truth in that it will give you a blessed life beyond the grave. All other ways become false in the sense that they oppose truth hence will fall under judgement and eternal death a life of inflicted pain in eternity beyond the grave. Just because you can for example rape a woman and get away with it does not mean that you will escape eternal judgement. Just because you will use other forms of rituals like ukucaba to preserve life of your children does not mean you will escape judgement in that you have practised what is evil in the eyes of the eternal Judge. Everything all humans do will be Judged by an etrnal Judge and if you do not look at this surelly you will loose your life.

Yes you can steal today and be rich but in eternity die an eternal death. So everything you do you should search if it gives life or indeed if you are accruing death upon your soul.

Hence as is evident for myself i have sought refugee status under Jesus Christ that i may escape eternal death for all evill practises I will ever do.

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