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#40995 - 11/13/08 12:42 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: Ethical]
uzphoso Offline
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Registered: 02/14/08
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Zwana lapha Ethical.Imibono yakho ngezenkolo yamaAfrica iqondile njalo ayibandlululi okwesiko lethu.Intonje yikuthi uzulu usuka axakeke nxa kungakhanyi ukuthi kukholwa isintu kumbe isiKresthu kwenye inkonzo.Silapho njalo, izimfundiso zangakhona zisuka zingabi ngezicacekile esintwini(isiko) langesiLungwini okutshiya lo obe edinga ulwazi enokuphiceka okuthize.Lona udaba lokholo luvele lungalula ukuhlaziya noma kulabo abaziwayo lapho abame khona.Ukuhlanganisa lezi zinto yikho okuletha izinhlungu zokuhlukuluzwa kwabesimame labantwana emacaweni angaqondanga ngoba bezikhandela izifundo zabo santando.

Njalo ukuzodinga imali ngalendlela yokuthengisela abantu leli bhuku lapha kulokubanxusa ecaweni kululaza inhloso yalo okwenzayo lebandla lakhe.Lapha kubuya abantu abalakho ukuhlaziya injongo yomuntu.Amabhuku athengiselwa abalandeli lezifundi zalo obhalwe ngaye njalo ngokufaka lapha kunika ilungelo lokuthi uzulu aveze insolo zakhe ngalendlela yokuthengisa ibhuku langokungasuthiseki kwakhe ngeGuta.

Abasizwa yiyo abayalelwa ukuqubeka layo kodwa akutsho ukuthi iyi yona eqondileyo kumaAfrica noma kubani.

Khululekani bakwethu.


Edited by uzphoso (11/13/08 12:43 AM)

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#41000 - 11/13/08 07:26 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: uzphoso]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
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Ethical your line of reason is unfounded and does not have Logic. If your position is everything that everyone says about God is valid and true this is nonsense. For all humans pressupose and know that God is constant and unvariable. Who told you God can live in human flesh certainly not isintu sakho. So Ethical present your thoughts clearly so we can examine them and take them to their logical end.

What does Guta want or seek of us. What is his authority and where does he come from and where is he now. Surelly we are not fools not to question these things. Certainly you have to ask these things of anyone who claims to be God. For certainly God deserves and must get subjection and praise from every single human wherever they are even in eternity. Surelly If God IS, Then he never ceases to exist hence he will bring us before himself to receive eternal rewards according to how we have treated him.

Such simple Logic can it be found in guta, njelele,bhuda or the like tell me Ethical?

Surely God has a name and is an entity, who is he? does he not have a past,present and future? what does he like and hate? surely if he created me he must know and be above my simple logic now Ethical these things are but plain. To refuse to look into these things and examine everything that people just wake up and claim to be gods and speakers on behalf of god then we are worse than dogs that eat their own vomit. To tell people that whatever they think and say about God is valid and true is to be nonsensical then life has no meaning whatsoever. please clarify what you are saying or else even this forum is but nonsensical with no meaning.

however we are a true society of Mthwakazi with Love for our brethren seeking Truth,life ,honesty,good and what is beneficial to the Good of UMthwakazi not just nonsensical free for all unethical pursuit of life. Here we speak what should be eternal meaning and words that are of substance and meaning.


Edited by welly (11/13/08 07:28 PM)

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#41007 - 11/14/08 12:31 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: Ethical]
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nginag zizama zonke inkolo ezikhona emhlabeni kodwa le eyesitshoneni khohlwa nkunzi leyo uyitshumayele le esitshoneni baba angikaze ngilizwe igama lesindebele elithi gutarawhatever istshona yisitshona baba.
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#41231 - 12/15/08 10:25 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: mg_d]
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Mthwakazi omuhle ngiyabingelela mina Jolimnyama, uBuhlase bendl' enkulu. Ngilusizi ubkubona abantu abahlonipheka njengani belingisa ingane. Angiqondanga ukuhlambalaza noma ukwedelela. Okokuqala umuntu ulelungelo lwenkululeko, umuntu uyazikhethela ukholo, umuntu uyazikhethela umfazi, etc. Thatha okuthatha uyekele ongakuthandiyo.
Abantu abamnyama sile nkinga yokubukela okwethu phansi. Into eza lomlungu siyithatha ngaphandle kokuthandabuza. Abelungu beza lokho lobuKrestu balitshiya amadlozi namhlanje lithi amadlozi amadimoni. Incwadi/amabhuku abelungu ngokholo aliwacubunguli ngalendlela. Lizosala emnyameni lingathanda ukuzichothiza. Ayikho into embi ngokuhlala kuhle. Akekho umuntu owadalelwa ukuhlupheka. Liyidingelani imali nxa lingafuni ilinothise? Lisebenzelani nxa lingafuni ukuhlala kuhle? Imali kasisono kodwa uthando lwayo.
Ithi ngingabi mude kakhulu hlezi ngigcine sengiphaphalaza.
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#41232 - 12/15/08 10:29 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: welly]
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Bamphika uJesu ngamaJuda. They were asking the very same questions you are asking. You are a shallow minded man who thinks he is learned with your unlogical thinking.
Who told you God can live in human flesh certainly not isintu sakho. Who told you He can not? Believe in whatever you want.
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It is not falling into the water, but lying in it, that drowns.

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#41233 - 12/15/08 10:40 AM Re: Mthwakazi for Life [Re: bongani]
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Registered: 03/06/08
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You are out of order post izinto ezilengqondo. Ungazodlalela lapha. Contribute something meaningful.
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#41243 - 12/15/08 03:30 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: welly]
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Registered: 12/10/08
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Here we speak what should be eternal meaning and words that are of substance and meaning.

Guys pliz welcome me to Inkundla kaMthwakazi and pliz clap hands for me. I would like to go straight to Welly, Indlela obheka ngayo impilo imfishane kakhulu bhudi broaden up your mind brother/brethern we are talking about GOD here my friend, No-one knows anything about GOD. Not me Not You Not anyone khonala enkundleni. Mthwakazi omuhle iphi inhlonipho, buphi ubuntu benu besintwini, ngibona selilingisa wona la amatshabi elikhuluma ngawo. Ngiyabonga

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#41244 - 12/15/08 04:25 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: Mbonise]
welly Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mbonise
Indlela obheka ngayo impilo imfishane kakhulu bhudi broaden up your mind brother/brethern we are talking about GOD here my friend, No-one knows anything about GOD. Not me Not You Not anyone khonala enkundleni.


Ngithemba inkosi ikudzinile mnewethu. Bengithanda ukulandela umcabango wakho!

If you actually believe what you are saying and thought it out logically what the implications of what you are saying are, i dont think you would have said what you are saying perhaps you will rephrase however let me follow your thinking!

You ascertain that nobody has any knowledge of God. I assume you have this knowledge about God to tell us that it is us who have no knowledge of God. If you yourself as you admit you have no knowledge of God then you are definately not qualified to ascertain as fact that everybody else has not this knowledge based on your own ignorance. Hence it is absolutely of no consequence and truth that you assume everyone else has the same ignorance as you.

You say you are talking about God? but how can you when you have said you have no knowledge of him. So you are trying to tell us that you are talking about your ignorance about God. I suggest you seek knowledge or ask questions rather than take the throne of judgement on matters you are in ignorance about.

Originally Posted By: Mbonise

Here we speak what should be eternal meaning and words that are of substance and meaning.


When you say we who are you refering to? besides who is qualified to speak eternal words? certainly not one who is mortal and dies! my brother you have no capacity to speak eternal words apart from God who is eternal so get your thinking in logical order then we can begin to speak sense at the least.

I appreciate your veiws even if they dont correspond with what I have to say so speak for your self and not make wide sweeping statements putting words into our mouths. We can speak for ourselves and clarify anything needed to be clarified

Thank you, uDumo Enkosini UJesu Christu odale izulu lomhlaba Amen.


Edited by welly (12/15/08 04:27 PM)

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#41302 - 12/18/08 02:59 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: welly]
Mbonise Offline
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Registered: 12/10/08
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Bhudi weeee! nami ngiyazama ukukuzwisisa kodwa indaba yakhona ingathi sisifuna ethafuleni, Julisa umcabango uyindoda, mangithi Noone knows about GOD ngichaza ukuthi akekho phakathi kwethu onelungelo lokujudge omunye la enkundleni ngoba okukaNkulunkulu ngokukaNkulunkulu okungenisdalwa khona, Dont undermine, or under estimate me Bra. Usungiphica futhi ngoba mina bengiquote wena and wena suziphendula uyabona yini ukuthi ubuvele uphaphalaza thus why you are now contradicting yourself.

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#41578 - 01/05/09 10:39 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari: In My own Words Deed and Life [Re: Mbonise]
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Registered: 09/02/05
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Just how ridiculous can a story be before a person stops and says "Wait, that doesn't make any sense?"

The bible states that the human body was formed because a magic being breathed on some dirt and that millions of species of animals all fit on a boat for over 100 days.
It has stories about talking donkeys and men being swallowed by whales.
Yet most Christians do not question these stories.

The Koran states that if you get dirty by touching a woman, and can't find any clean water around at prayer time, you can clean up by rubbing your face and hands in some dirt. Muslims have come up with ways to rationalize this and many other ridiculous statements in their book.

Why are these stories not obvious fiction to the believers?


It seems that just about any story could pass as acceptable no matter how outrageous when it is called a religious book.
These faith driven beliefs seem to override any form of questioning or rational thinking. People believe these stories for different reasons. Some are taught to believe with childhood indoctrination. When we are young we are pre-programmed to believe what our parents tell us.
Another method is when a person feels helpless or depressed.
Religions can bring comfort to some, but belief in the ridiculous stories comes as a side effect in joining these groups. I believe we can have support groups that are just as comforting without superstitious beliefs.
If you believe in a holy book, try to put your book in perspective with any other story you hear. Most of the stories in these books are just as fictional as jack and the beanstalk. Instead of reading your book from the mindset that the book must be perfect, try reading it with a questioning mind. Try asking questions like, does this make sense, could this really happen, and keep in mind the identity of the authors. Don't simply think the book must be from God.

It came from a man that is just as flawed as you and I and lived long ago in a time when knowledge was just a fraction of what it is today. You may be surprised at what you find. Your mind just might open to the reality of "It is just a book."


1. If the Bible stated "All men are held to the earth by God's hand" Then the theory of gravity would be disputed just a strongly as the theory of evolution is today.
Christians would be trying to get the "Intelligent Hand Theory" taught in the classroom alongside the theory of gravity?


2. If the Koran said "All sicknesses are demons, exorcism is the only true cure."
Would Muslims go to the doctor?
We might have two sets of medical schools and two sets of doctors. One based on faith and exorcisms, one based on science and technology. Even in the face of statistical evidence showing that a larger percentage of the patients in the faith based hospital were dying, would they keep their faith in their book?

3. If the Bible said "The moon is made of wood." How would Christians cope with all the moon rocks brought back from the Apollo missions? They would have to claim the rocks were put there by Satan to fool humans or some other rationalization. How many of them would continue in their beliefs with this overwhelming evidence?

The Bible/Koran have more ridiculous stories that these, but the Christians/Muslim believe them.

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