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#41474 - 12/29/08 09:52 PM ZAPU OR MDC
mg_d Offline
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
nansi indaba bafowethu nga ngubani olesithunzi kumbe ngithi olesibindi phakathi kuka tshwankilayi loDabengwa sokuwisa umgabe na?
with all the arguments that i heard abantu basalenkinga yoku khetha umuntu onga thatha on umgabedoyi kuside le revived Zapu bathi bona uDabengwa is the man to take on mgabe ngoba kade kudala esebenzela izanu kanti uyawazi amaweakness lamastrength ayo so bathi bona kueasy ukuthi ayingene iphele nya izanu.
ake siyicubungule Mthwakazi lendaba yalamadoda ngiyiphosela enkundleni.


Edited by mg_d (12/29/08 09:54 PM)
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#41476 - 12/30/08 10:47 AM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: mg_d]
nqameni Offline
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Registered: 09/13/08
Posts: 10
Loc: Gauteng
Mina ngithi Zapu.Leave Mogan & his bunch of zanu pf youth brigates.mgabe & mogan are faces of the same coin.

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#41487 - 12/30/08 11:33 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: nqameni]
ozithembayo Offline
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Kupolitics bakwethu ukhangela ukuthi amainterest akho agcwaliswa ngubani. Kulesisikhathi uMtshwankela nguye ongasilethela abakibo kukhitshwe isilima lesi esihluphayo. UDabengwa bangeke bamvotele ngale, kodwa koMthwakazi kungalunga. Mina ngithi bobabili okwakhathesi for the strategy, sisalungisa leMPC ukuthi sizibuse in the long run.
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#41489 - 12/31/08 04:19 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: ozithembayo]
Thabo70 Offline
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 50
Loc: Norfolk
Ukuthi ngubani olesithunzi akudingwa, isiqokoqela kuphela yikususa izigilamkhuba zezanu omaluma bengaphozisi.
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#41492 - 01/01/09 12:32 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: Thabo70]
hloniphani02 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 20
Loc: RSA
Ngaphandle kokudlala ngesikhathi i personally think MT is closer than DD and there is only one explanation to that . Zapu's demise for long time cause a lot of people to look all over for credible opposition and The MDC came into the picture and took all that where desparate for change and thats it . DD will be a very necessary opposition and alterantive i do not see him amassing enough votes to put MDC in the second ,zanu is gone

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#41495 - 01/01/09 06:47 PM EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: hloniphani02]
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Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:19 PM
From: "Zimbabwe Afrika" <zimbabwefoundation@yahoo.com>View contact details To: "zimbabwe zimbabwe" <zimbabwefoundation@yahoo.com>Greetings African scholars,academics, intellectuals etc.

Isn't part of the problem that we have so many intellectuals who are of but not for the Black race and that the people have found no way to identify and discount them? Some are liberal, some are Marxist, some are Christian, some are Muslim, some are Europeanist, some are Arabist, and seek to bring our people into these various folds, these various alien ways of seeing our problems. But they are not about solving our problems to our group benefit. In contrast, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin,Rosa Luxembourg, etc were white intellectuals who did their thinking for the White proletariat and its interest. Likewise Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Tagore etc were Indian intellectuals who did their their thinking for Indians to find solutions to India's problems; Likewise Mohammed and his intellectual heirs--ibn Khaldun, ibn Sinna etc-- did their thinking for the Arabs and the Arab interest. Likewise Mao and the Chinese Communist party were intellectuals who did their thinking for the liberation of China from feudalism and imperialism- - their thinking was focused on solving China's problems of their day. Likewise, Fidel Castro and his party were Cubans who did their thinking for Cuba; Likewise, Jefferson, Madison, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay etc. were white Americans who did their thinking to advance and defend white America's interest. European intellectuals down the centuries, regardless of religious, philosophical or ideological faction, have always done their thinking for the Europeans and to advance the interests of Europe. In brief, the black race sorely needs a party of intellectuals who will, together, think through its problems and figure out ways to defend and advance its group interests. Until that happens, the black intellectuals, with their different individualistic, and mostly foreign-inspired, agendas will continue to mislead the Black people. We cannot afford to assume that just because a thinker is black he is for the black race. It was probably from that naive error that Nkrumah hearkened to the liberal economic prescriptions of Sir Arthur Lewis, assuming that as a black, Sir Arthur was also dedicated to solving the problems of blacks rather than implementing the Europe-serving liberal doctrines of his masters. We must devise tests for determining which black intellectuals are for the black race and therefore worthy of our attention and which are not.We must also learn to detect and discount the frivolous ones who merely indulge themselves in toying with our serious issues.

RASTA PAN AFRICAN FROM BULAWAYO BASED IN EUROPE. NOT HIDING AS KU KLAX KLAN DID YOU ARE JUST THE SAME , BITING AND HIDING YOURSELVES[ WE ARE FROM ZIMBABWE FOUNDATION]WE SPEAK LOUD AND LUCID.NOT WEARING HOODS TO COVER?????????



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#41532 - 01/03/09 02:17 PM Re: EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: abedabuko]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Registered: 02/12/08
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Sabona ndoda Abedabuko
Angazimfowethu noma uyindoda noma ungumame.Utshadile na? Nilabantwana? Uhlala wedwa la ohlala khona? Ma ungakatholi hlala unjalo ndoda UNGATHATHI NJALO UNGAZALI OKWAMANJE, MAYBE LATER.

Asazi Mthwakazi njengoba lolalo evunyelwa imibono yakhe, nangu uyakhuluma emphakathini.

Engingakutsho ndoda yikuthi ngibona ipoint enye olayo, kodwa uyithatha uyidunge ngenwele zakho angazi loba ziphothene.

The world over, the blackman remains marginalised, even though we have seen a lot of black advancement in recent times.

As for us as Mthwakazi, we cant do much about that because we ourselves are down, somebody is on our neck, we are not ourselves , we are yet to determine who we really are, our livelihood, way of life, our culture,our identity is seriously compromised, we are not even ruling ourselves, we have no voice in our motherland, we are wounded, we were deceived into a unity that never was, we are targeted for extinction. We are just a small remnant that survived a massacre of a great nation, a massacre that has not been resolved,igukurawhaterver. We are not acknowledged in what is supposed to be our own parliament. Albeit we are REGROUPING
So wena ma unguMthwakazi asibambisane, only when we are free are we going to be able to fight for other causes. Ma kulabantu emzini wakho, mamela mfowethu ukuduhisa abantu, tshela abalawe iqiniso ngobubi bezanu kwelemaNdebeleni. HOW CAN YOU TEACH A MTHWAKAZIAN CHILD ABOUT AFRICA WHEN THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MTHWAKAZI. How can you teach an African child about Europeanism when they dont know anything about Africanism. Sort out things at home before going out to sort things out in other people s homes


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (01/03/09 02:28 PM)
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#41536 - 01/03/09 08:05 PM Re: EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
abedabuko Offline
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Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Originally Posted By: MTHWENTWEHLABA1
Sabona ndoda Abedabuko
Angazimfowethu noma uyindoda noma ungumame.Utshadile na? Nilabantwana? Uhlala wedwa la ohlala khona? Ma ungakatholi hlala unjalo ndoda UNGATHATHI NJALO UNGAZALI OKWAMANJE, MAYBE LATER.

Asazi Mthwakazi njengoba lolalo evunyelwa imibono yakhe, nangu uyakhuluma emphakathini.

Engingakutsho ndoda yikuthi ngibona ipoint enye olayo, kodwa uyithatha uyidunge ngenwele zakho angazi loba ziphothene.

The world over, the blackman remains marginalised, even though we have seen a lot of black advancement in recent times.

As for us as Mthwakazi, we cant do much about that because we ourselves are down, somebody is on our neck, we are not ourselves , we are yet to determine who we really are, our livelihood, way of life, our culture,our identity is seriously compromised, we are not even ruling ourselves, we have no voice in our motherland, we are wounded, we were deceived into a unity that never was, we are targeted for extinction. We are just a small remnant that survived a massacre of a great nation, a massacre that has not been resolved,igukurawhaterver. We are not acknowledged in what is supposed to be our own parliament. Albeit we are REGROUPING
So wena ma unguMthwakazi asibambisane, only when we are free are we going to be able to fight for other causes. Ma kulabantu emzini wakho, mamela mfowethu ukuduhisa abantu, tshela abalawe iqiniso ngobubi bezanu kwelemaNdebeleni. HOW CAN YOU TEACH A MTHWAKAZIAN CHILD ABOUT AFRICA WHEN THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MTHWAKAZI. How can you teach an African child about Europeanism when they dont know anything about Africanism. Sort out things at home before going out to sort things out in other people s homes

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#41537 - 01/03/09 08:16 PM Impilo yami ayifuni umphakathi[private] [Re: abedabuko]
abedabuko Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 28
Loc: esigodlweni
Indaba esiyiphethe lapha awuyi tholi, ngicela wehlise umoya unganka funisisi ukubhekisela enye indoda ubuza, ingathi umshando
ubonisa ubudonda, ngumbono odukile, owobu qhaza[mentality]ikhada eliqinile.Thambisa ikhanda ufunde kahle umbalo othi[eurocentric ways]ipendulo yakho ayi hlangene nesiqi, yedukile
angitholisisi.Uzwa kahle ngikhuluma ngemikhuba esiyi jwayele, maar ayisi sebezeli thina abanyama ngebala.Ipendulo yakho ayihlangani ne [topic and contents]nguwe umuntu wo kuqala ofunda
lo mbono ngedlela yakho, lowu umbono uncancile kahle angazi ukuthi yini kahle ongayi tholisisi.Yikuphi lapho engi khuluma nge ZANU, mina angi juli nkakhulu ku [narrow politics] jengoba umnuzana Malcom X watsho ethi QUOTE-[Umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge local news, umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge national scope, umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge international picture.Mina angi funi uku bheka ihlupheko yama Nguni PSEUDO Ndebele nge narrow politics, ngifuna ukubona African issues as broad collective issues,Kuzoba yini omunye nomunye afune ukubusa indawo yakhe, uyazi iAfrica inama ethnic groups amaningi.Ikinga yama Nguni PSEUDO Ndebele ifuna imibono ehlanganisa ihlanga zonke.Angali ani zwani nama tshona yebo yeah, manje akusizi ukubona nge zondo.Amatshona ane zondo ungabi ne zondo ufane nabo, yinto eyangi dinga ngama Zulu ba [emphasize]ngodlame kakhulu.Zama uku funa ukuthula ngayo yonke idlela, bonisa uthando.


Edited by abedabuko (01/03/09 08:34 PM)

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#41546 - 01/04/09 04:23 AM Re: Impilo yami ayifuni umphakathi[private] [Re: abedabuko]
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Abedabuko, waze wangihlekisa. Uthi wena ukuhlukuluzwa kwamaNdebele ngamaTshona, yi narrow thinking kuwe leyo. You don't discuss trivial issues like these. Help free our people first, if you are one of us as you say you are. Then you should join us in trying to free our people from this evil Tshona regime first. Then you can worry about some villagers in Senegal, Mali or where ever.
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