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#41474 - 12/29/08 09:52 PM ZAPU OR MDC
mg_d Offline
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nansi indaba bafowethu nga ngubani olesithunzi kumbe ngithi olesibindi phakathi kuka tshwankilayi loDabengwa sokuwisa umgabe na?
with all the arguments that i heard abantu basalenkinga yoku khetha umuntu onga thatha on umgabedoyi kuside le revived Zapu bathi bona uDabengwa is the man to take on mgabe ngoba kade kudala esebenzela izanu kanti uyawazi amaweakness lamastrength ayo so bathi bona kueasy ukuthi ayingene iphele nya izanu.
ake siyicubungule Mthwakazi lendaba yalamadoda ngiyiphosela enkundleni.


Edited by mg_d (12/29/08 09:54 PM)
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#41476 - 12/30/08 10:47 AM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: mg_d]
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Mina ngithi Zapu.Leave Mogan & his bunch of zanu pf youth brigates.mgabe & mogan are faces of the same coin.

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#41487 - 12/30/08 11:33 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: nqameni]
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Kupolitics bakwethu ukhangela ukuthi amainterest akho agcwaliswa ngubani. Kulesisikhathi uMtshwankela nguye ongasilethela abakibo kukhitshwe isilima lesi esihluphayo. UDabengwa bangeke bamvotele ngale, kodwa koMthwakazi kungalunga. Mina ngithi bobabili okwakhathesi for the strategy, sisalungisa leMPC ukuthi sizibuse in the long run.
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#41489 - 12/31/08 04:19 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: ozithembayo]
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Ukuthi ngubani olesithunzi akudingwa, isiqokoqela kuphela yikususa izigilamkhuba zezanu omaluma bengaphozisi.
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#41492 - 01/01/09 12:32 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: Thabo70]
hloniphani02 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/07
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Ngaphandle kokudlala ngesikhathi i personally think MT is closer than DD and there is only one explanation to that . Zapu's demise for long time cause a lot of people to look all over for credible opposition and The MDC came into the picture and took all that where desparate for change and thats it . DD will be a very necessary opposition and alterantive i do not see him amassing enough votes to put MDC in the second ,zanu is gone

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#41495 - 01/01/09 06:47 PM EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: hloniphani02]
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Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:19 PM
From: "Zimbabwe Afrika" <zimbabwefoundation@yahoo.com>View contact details To: "zimbabwe zimbabwe" <zimbabwefoundation@yahoo.com>Greetings African scholars,academics, intellectuals etc.

Isn't part of the problem that we have so many intellectuals who are of but not for the Black race and that the people have found no way to identify and discount them? Some are liberal, some are Marxist, some are Christian, some are Muslim, some are Europeanist, some are Arabist, and seek to bring our people into these various folds, these various alien ways of seeing our problems. But they are not about solving our problems to our group benefit. In contrast, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin,Rosa Luxembourg, etc were white intellectuals who did their thinking for the White proletariat and its interest. Likewise Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Tagore etc were Indian intellectuals who did their their thinking for Indians to find solutions to India's problems; Likewise Mohammed and his intellectual heirs--ibn Khaldun, ibn Sinna etc-- did their thinking for the Arabs and the Arab interest. Likewise Mao and the Chinese Communist party were intellectuals who did their thinking for the liberation of China from feudalism and imperialism- - their thinking was focused on solving China's problems of their day. Likewise, Fidel Castro and his party were Cubans who did their thinking for Cuba; Likewise, Jefferson, Madison, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay etc. were white Americans who did their thinking to advance and defend white America's interest. European intellectuals down the centuries, regardless of religious, philosophical or ideological faction, have always done their thinking for the Europeans and to advance the interests of Europe. In brief, the black race sorely needs a party of intellectuals who will, together, think through its problems and figure out ways to defend and advance its group interests. Until that happens, the black intellectuals, with their different individualistic, and mostly foreign-inspired, agendas will continue to mislead the Black people. We cannot afford to assume that just because a thinker is black he is for the black race. It was probably from that naive error that Nkrumah hearkened to the liberal economic prescriptions of Sir Arthur Lewis, assuming that as a black, Sir Arthur was also dedicated to solving the problems of blacks rather than implementing the Europe-serving liberal doctrines of his masters. We must devise tests for determining which black intellectuals are for the black race and therefore worthy of our attention and which are not.We must also learn to detect and discount the frivolous ones who merely indulge themselves in toying with our serious issues.

RASTA PAN AFRICAN FROM BULAWAYO BASED IN EUROPE. NOT HIDING AS KU KLAX KLAN DID YOU ARE JUST THE SAME , BITING AND HIDING YOURSELVES[ WE ARE FROM ZIMBABWE FOUNDATION]WE SPEAK LOUD AND LUCID.NOT WEARING HOODS TO COVER?????????



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#41532 - 01/03/09 02:17 PM Re: EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: abedabuko]
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Sabona ndoda Abedabuko
Angazimfowethu noma uyindoda noma ungumame.Utshadile na? Nilabantwana? Uhlala wedwa la ohlala khona? Ma ungakatholi hlala unjalo ndoda UNGATHATHI NJALO UNGAZALI OKWAMANJE, MAYBE LATER.

Asazi Mthwakazi njengoba lolalo evunyelwa imibono yakhe, nangu uyakhuluma emphakathini.

Engingakutsho ndoda yikuthi ngibona ipoint enye olayo, kodwa uyithatha uyidunge ngenwele zakho angazi loba ziphothene.

The world over, the blackman remains marginalised, even though we have seen a lot of black advancement in recent times.

As for us as Mthwakazi, we cant do much about that because we ourselves are down, somebody is on our neck, we are not ourselves , we are yet to determine who we really are, our livelihood, way of life, our culture,our identity is seriously compromised, we are not even ruling ourselves, we have no voice in our motherland, we are wounded, we were deceived into a unity that never was, we are targeted for extinction. We are just a small remnant that survived a massacre of a great nation, a massacre that has not been resolved,igukurawhaterver. We are not acknowledged in what is supposed to be our own parliament. Albeit we are REGROUPING
So wena ma unguMthwakazi asibambisane, only when we are free are we going to be able to fight for other causes. Ma kulabantu emzini wakho, mamela mfowethu ukuduhisa abantu, tshela abalawe iqiniso ngobubi bezanu kwelemaNdebeleni. HOW CAN YOU TEACH A MTHWAKAZIAN CHILD ABOUT AFRICA WHEN THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MTHWAKAZI. How can you teach an African child about Europeanism when they dont know anything about Africanism. Sort out things at home before going out to sort things out in other people s homes


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (01/03/09 02:28 PM)
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#41536 - 01/03/09 08:05 PM Re: EUROCENTRIC WAYS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES? [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Originally Posted By: MTHWENTWEHLABA1
Sabona ndoda Abedabuko
Angazimfowethu noma uyindoda noma ungumame.Utshadile na? Nilabantwana? Uhlala wedwa la ohlala khona? Ma ungakatholi hlala unjalo ndoda UNGATHATHI NJALO UNGAZALI OKWAMANJE, MAYBE LATER.

Asazi Mthwakazi njengoba lolalo evunyelwa imibono yakhe, nangu uyakhuluma emphakathini.

Engingakutsho ndoda yikuthi ngibona ipoint enye olayo, kodwa uyithatha uyidunge ngenwele zakho angazi loba ziphothene.

The world over, the blackman remains marginalised, even though we have seen a lot of black advancement in recent times.

As for us as Mthwakazi, we cant do much about that because we ourselves are down, somebody is on our neck, we are not ourselves , we are yet to determine who we really are, our livelihood, way of life, our culture,our identity is seriously compromised, we are not even ruling ourselves, we have no voice in our motherland, we are wounded, we were deceived into a unity that never was, we are targeted for extinction. We are just a small remnant that survived a massacre of a great nation, a massacre that has not been resolved,igukurawhaterver. We are not acknowledged in what is supposed to be our own parliament. Albeit we are REGROUPING
So wena ma unguMthwakazi asibambisane, only when we are free are we going to be able to fight for other causes. Ma kulabantu emzini wakho, mamela mfowethu ukuduhisa abantu, tshela abalawe iqiniso ngobubi bezanu kwelemaNdebeleni. HOW CAN YOU TEACH A MTHWAKAZIAN CHILD ABOUT AFRICA WHEN THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MTHWAKAZI. How can you teach an African child about Europeanism when they dont know anything about Africanism. Sort out things at home before going out to sort things out in other people s homes

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#41537 - 01/03/09 08:16 PM Impilo yami ayifuni umphakathi[private] [Re: abedabuko]
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Indaba esiyiphethe lapha awuyi tholi, ngicela wehlise umoya unganka funisisi ukubhekisela enye indoda ubuza, ingathi umshando
ubonisa ubudonda, ngumbono odukile, owobu qhaza[mentality]ikhada eliqinile.Thambisa ikhanda ufunde kahle umbalo othi[eurocentric ways]ipendulo yakho ayi hlangene nesiqi, yedukile
angitholisisi.Uzwa kahle ngikhuluma ngemikhuba esiyi jwayele, maar ayisi sebezeli thina abanyama ngebala.Ipendulo yakho ayihlangani ne [topic and contents]nguwe umuntu wo kuqala ofunda
lo mbono ngedlela yakho, lowu umbono uncancile kahle angazi ukuthi yini kahle ongayi tholisisi.Yikuphi lapho engi khuluma nge ZANU, mina angi juli nkakhulu ku [narrow politics] jengoba umnuzana Malcom X watsho ethi QUOTE-[Umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge local news, umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge national scope, umuntu omunye wazi kabazi nge international picture.Mina angi funi uku bheka ihlupheko yama Nguni PSEUDO Ndebele nge narrow politics, ngifuna ukubona African issues as broad collective issues,Kuzoba yini omunye nomunye afune ukubusa indawo yakhe, uyazi iAfrica inama ethnic groups amaningi.Ikinga yama Nguni PSEUDO Ndebele ifuna imibono ehlanganisa ihlanga zonke.Angali ani zwani nama tshona yebo yeah, manje akusizi ukubona nge zondo.Amatshona ane zondo ungabi ne zondo ufane nabo, yinto eyangi dinga ngama Zulu ba [emphasize]ngodlame kakhulu.Zama uku funa ukuthula ngayo yonke idlela, bonisa uthando.


Edited by abedabuko (01/03/09 08:34 PM)

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#41546 - 01/04/09 04:23 AM Re: Impilo yami ayifuni umphakathi[private] [Re: abedabuko]
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Abedabuko, waze wangihlekisa. Uthi wena ukuhlukuluzwa kwamaNdebele ngamaTshona, yi narrow thinking kuwe leyo. You don't discuss trivial issues like these. Help free our people first, if you are one of us as you say you are. Then you should join us in trying to free our people from this evil Tshona regime first. Then you can worry about some villagers in Senegal, Mali or where ever.
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#41566 - 01/05/09 03:05 PM Re: abedabuko ngumgakla ozama ukusi infiltretha [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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a louder noise comes from empty vessels, how can you solve african issues yet you cant solve issues in ur own house? frankly, stupidity should not be celebrated cos its a virus!

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#41587 - 01/06/09 10:23 AM Re: abedabuko loscience yimigakla [Re: ]
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OPPS READ CAREFUL AND BE MATURE I DIDNT NOT THIS WEBSITE I MEAN THE GUY WHO SAID HE LOOKS AFRICAN ISSUES AS A WHOLE THATS WHY I SAID FIRST SOLVE THWAKAZI OR ZIMBABWE CRISIS B4 U CAN GO TO OUTSIDERS, JEEEEEEEZZZ , GIVE ME A BREAK!!

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#41615 - 01/07/09 11:52 AM Re: abedabuko loscience yimigakla [Re: ]
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what a loser you are ! surely only a person with limited knowledge thinks like you. You dont make sense at all try again pliz! mayb it makes you feel better but its just a vomit eat it darling its urs!


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#41629 - 01/08/09 06:50 AM Re: abedabuko loscience yimigakla [Re: ]
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Magedleni kuyadelela okungamatshabindini sekuthunyiwe ukuzosidukisa lapha Enkundleni. Basikhulumela isilungu sabo esibolileyo besenza angathi bafundile. Lonke matshonandini amasekelantaba siyacela ukuba nishiyane nathi, niyenzile ebenikufuna elizweni lenu, nizilethela icholera beselisukela uGordon Brown ezihlalele lithi nguwe oletha leso sifo ezweni lenu ngobutshapha benu zinja ndini. Wena Science go to your father uMgabe and tell him you failed your assignment. Ubuhlungu esibuzwayo singumthwakazi abafuni ukuthi usitshele nge somalia, ghana etc. Singumthwakazi siyazazi inkinga zethu and mashona you are the cause of the dispensation of abantu bakithi. Do u think we enjoy being in other people's countries. Dont come to this forum to tell us of your shonalised school boy rubbish mentality.
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#41634 - 01/08/09 01:21 PM Re: abedabuko loscience yimigakla [Re: Vodloza_baba]
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people grow up , simp-ly as that!! umgabe nguyihlo mkhulu, i dont wanna hear any shyt about him, so dont give him to me, he is all urs brother, phambili ngobuntu!! phansi ngeziwula!

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#41699 - 01/13/09 08:26 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: mg_d]
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Awu bengike ngathi khumu ngayakwesikamtaniya ngiyo ncwaba uauntie ngasengithi angingene enkundleni kengibone ukuthi njengoba umnyaka uqala phansi ngaba abakaMthwakazi bagaya ngamuphi umhlathi, well ngithola ukumangala but i expected some of your views . Well i realise the amount of anger that is gripping us as the political turmoil rolls on our back yard . But that being the situation i would prefer educating our brothers than reprimand anyone. Tribalism is a dangerous trend no matter how you look at it .We have to come to terms that we are caught in between a hard place and a rock . La kwelikamtaniya we have very little comfort , kwelakithi there is a mad man at helm . The question i need to pose kubandla ligcwele , mangaki amatshona asahambisani nenja engumgabi , its quite a substantial number but a good party of that number are just scared . Should we not sieze this opportunity to get numbers behind our call and get rid of this aids affecting us . Kwayena umdala come to think of it ubenawo amashona among his ranks , i think wise as he was he had a reason . We can not play tunnel politics unless we are looking at committing political suicide . Lets be honest i have asked before how many of us are still pure ndebeles . On a scale one to ten you will notice that we have been diluted by the tshabiz , we have one in every three families intermarrying with a shona so to close the gate for them as ZAPU OR MPC is political incorrect . I doubt very much ukuthi Umsika kade elindebele , so what am i saying , the author of this argument asked who has respect MDC/ZAPU ,

Without taking sides i said the fall of Zapu came due to an unfortunate circumstances Umdala took a very brave decision to rather swim with anacondaz that let us perish under G/hundi which was at that time necessary , that having been said Indoda yezihlathi ngabe ibiqonde ukuthengisa abantu ngabe yenza njengo Mutambala ongesabi ukubonisa noma ngubani ukuthi uyisikhotha mathe sika mgabi but lendoda yezihlathi ibonise ukuba liqhqwe ngokumela nalenja .
Those that go with a combination of T/ngilayi no DD probably we might amass enough a muscle to free not the Ndebelez but every one person in ZIm , as i log of i have been informed that they have released a 50 billion dollar note which is total madness. WE can talk to lendoda yezihlathi but i do not think that bob understands anything but a bullet . Lendaba ingikhumbuza amazwi kalobengula awukugcina ngekathi inkosi isichitheka esigodlweni say ibuhlungu lendaba . I leant a great deal from the Obama campaign , I was expecting him to look at blacks and use them as an excuse to want so much to be the 1st black President but he spread his quest to the backyards of the white communities gues what happened he completely ignored the colour and race ticket people saw a reasonable person in him and the out smarted J M'cain . Bandla ngiyanicela nonke laenkundleni udlama ngake lwasiza bani we have a bigger problem ahead of us biting each other is not going to help out cause . I am not trying to clever here but saying educated or not home or away we have a been affected By lenja engumgabe . La engiphazama khona maningibuyise endleleni ngoba ngingumuntu wenyama impazamo engenziwa nangubani . Phansi ngodlame lets focus on liberating all that are under opression irrespective of color race crede and where these people are from injustice know none of the above .
Mayibuye

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#41700 - 01/13/09 09:40 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: hloniphani02]
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Uyantanta, uyadladlazela, uyahaluzela ubhala sengathi uyaxotshaniswa. Ubhala uziphikisa, eqinisweni awuyazi into okhuluma ngayo, uyakhrema. On one hand uthi uMgabe ufuna inhlamvu on the same sentence uyeqa uthi phansi ngodlame. Yini udlame wena silinyana? Uma kwenziwa udlame against uMgabe lebandla lakhe akulona udlame? Uma uTswangilayi kunguye oyenza udlame akulona udlame? Uma amaTshona kuyiwo ayenza udlame akulona udlame? Uthi uphaphile silimandini.
Uthi wena bangaki abangamMaNdebele aphelele, uyalazi iNdebele ukuthi yini vele? Musa ukuzenza uhlanya.
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#41702 - 01/13/09 10:02 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: hloniphani02]
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sawubona bhudi Hloniphani02 kunjani mina ngiyaphila, yebo ngiyakuzwa mfethu indaba oqhamuka ngayo don`t forget the history between the two tribes in Zim (Ndebele &tshona) there are too many things that happened in that country before kubekhona inxushunxushu yonke le ekhona ebangela ukuthi ucabange ukuthi singabambana silwe lo mgabe.
firstly bro amandebele azamile through uTshwankilayi wehlulekile until imdc yaze yahlukana phakathi,he had all the chances of getting umgabe i repeat he failed okwamanje he is outside the country uthi usabela impilo yakhe ayibona iqakathekile ukudlula impilo zabantu abakhohlisayo ngokuthi uzoba mela.
there was a riot yamasotsha kamgabe he was supposed to use that ukuthi angenele umgodoyi wahluleka . according to me mfowethu mr t is acoward ligwala how many times should he be given a chance.
inzondo phakathi kwamatshona lathibro ngeke iphele we might try to pretend but it won`t be for a long time ukungathembani kuzohlala phakathi kwethu kuze kube naphakade bro sizamile ukubamabana kodwa kwehlula.there is no reason for us to go on supporting amatshona yet we gain nothing ekugcineni bajike bona labo matshona basigxeke.
maybe uDD can try something for us because yena he has been with izanu uyayazi kangcon amastrengthlamaweaknesses ayo the important thing yikuthi abekwazi ukumoliser abantu lesibindi.
tswankilayi failed the people of zim there is nothing he can do now usedelelwa ngitsho langabafazi omjuru.


Edited by mg_d (01/13/09 10:04 PM)
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#41730 - 01/15/09 06:16 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: Mthakathi27]
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I have no time for people like you sorry do not read my posting nor respond to them . Go back to my posting check in what context it was written in if you have a problem with language that it was written in ask for help . Loose cannons i do not entertain , What makes you think that i do not know ndebelez you are the dummest Teacher i have ever encounted . Respond to this i will not for i have no time for you . just to reiterate what i was saying to those that read my posting , Fighting amongst ourselves will not help us we have a bigger enemy in mgabi thats it and if the idea is that DD and the rejuvinated Zapu is the way to go let it be but to call other people names without a fully understanding of what others are talking about will only help negatively . I doubt very much if you will understand what am talking about without lowering myself to you level let me say thanks to your sill response am not angry with you am just ashmed that you reasoning cap fell off . If you want this on a personal level there is my number call it ngizokuhabulisa . I know you won't understand . Hloni +27 82 467 5541

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#41731 - 01/15/09 06:20 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: mg_d]
hloniphani02 Offline
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Your comments were noted wena wakithi i fully understand your fears and your concerns , thanks a lot i understand .

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#41815 - 01/22/09 02:08 PM ZAPU OR MDC [Re: hloniphani02]
Vodloza_baba Offline
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Mina i hate both parties angiwafuni, itshona litshona. Hloniphani mfowethu ungavumi ukukhotha abetshabi njalo bangakukhohlisi bathi sibambane that will never happen. Mthwakazi omuhle let us fight through until we get esikufunayo. Umntwana wenyoka yinyoka Oscience laba ngokungamashona okufuna uzembetisa esemvu, indlela uHloniphani ayethula ngalo udaba lwakho uyangisolisa lets hope awusilotshabi noma awunahlobo nabo ngoba phela akudingeki ukuxhasana nokusekelana nesitha sakho. Itshabi litshabi imigodoyi yabantu isizwe sethu siphaselele ngenxa yabo
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#41820 - 01/22/09 02:54 PM Re: ZAPU OR MDC [Re: Vodloza_baba]
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hloniphani i share your views


Edited by science (01/22/09 02:54 PM)

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