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#41560 - 01/05/09 12:55 PM Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!!
bongani Offline
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 200
Loc: Afrika
Bengicela ukubuza ukuthi bakhona yini lana abasebebone idocument yabetshabi entsha Grand plan 2. Angikaze ngibone inzondo enje madoda njalo nepropaganda abaphushayo, ngibonile ukuthi vele abetshabi bangcolile abasithandi. Bengicela onayo leyo document to post it on here so that uMthwakazi wonke jikelele abekwazi ukuthi isitha sicabanga kanjani.

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#41572 - 01/05/09 05:37 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: bongani]
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abetshabi should always hates us!!we are a shadow of ourselves, our ancestors will be shocked(if they have not been for the past 21years) to discover that the tide has turned to the tshabian side- seemingly forever!!

the NDEBELE nation is now full of cowards, sellouts, idiots and cybber warriors!!


Edited by mpumelelo101 (01/05/09 05:39 PM)
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#41582 - 01/06/09 12:10 AM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mpumelelo101]
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Mpume musukulahleka lawe esiNdebeleni akula magwala mfo unless wena nxa uyilo,these are people abancindezelwayo abaphetheyo they were bribed kodwa balaso isibindi ngoba basi fulathela isizwe sakubo.
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#41623 - 01/07/09 05:53 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: bongani]
dingane Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
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Loc: Khanada
Bongani,
Mina ngiyibonile idocument okhuluma ngayo. Ayingidanisanga kakhulu ngoba iphethe izinto esihlala sikhuluma ngazo eNkundleni. Into esuka ingidangalise kakhulu yikuthi ungakhangela ezinye izinto ezimumethikileyo uzathola ukuthi abanye bethu la eNkundleni bavumelana lazo. Izinto ezinjengo kuphikisana lenombolo zabantu ababulawa yi5th bridgade. Angifuni ukuba qamba ngamabizo ngoba sesibazi ukuthi basebenzela bani. Ngakho-ke Mthwakazi omuhle sengivuleke amehlo ngoba uMthwakazi ugcwele abathengisi labadla leZanu. Kumandoda avuselela uMthwakazi ngithi malinanzele kodwa lingekeli ukuyaphambili ngoba umkhulu lomsebenzi.
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#41650 - 01/09/09 02:19 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mg_d]
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Registered: 10/17/03
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Loc: Jozi
Ceda amanengi uyiposite kulinkundla uma unayo mfowethu noma ukhombise lapho engatholakala khona.

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#41652 - 01/09/09 08:54 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: waMalikongwa]
dingane Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 25
Loc: Khanada
Nansi iphepha laku qala:
Confidential Shona Series 2 - Vatakati
Vatakati
Varoyi, mandevere atanga manje. They have revived party yema dissident called PF-ZAPU, led by Dumiso Dabengwa and they are planning a massive onslaught on our people, code named "Operation Gundwane." They are assembling an army of militia men in South Africa funded via people in the Diaspora, led by Jekiseni Gundwan'alidliwa Ndlovu. They say they want to revenge for Gukurahundi. they are even threatening kuti as soon as Mugabe leaves state house, they will devide the country by taking the Midlands and both matabeleland provinces to form a new country called Sena-Mthwakazi (isisu we say Sena-Mutakati). they are using online newspapers to discredit Chedu Chematama Morgan Tsvangirai calling him Savimbi in an effort to promote Thokozani Khuphe to MDC presidency.
This is an extremely confidential document only for the eyes and ears of the lovely people of Mashonaland, Masvingo and Manicaland. Make sure that you are not seen by any mundevere reading this. do not leave it lying around for you don't know who might have access to it. if your wife is Sena-Mutakati (kuvaroyi) make sure her brother don't enter your house. If your husband is a Mutakati, destroy this document immediately after reading it and look out for your life. Obviously we prefer if you leave and come back home, but we have no power to force.
this document details the danger we are facing from these dissidents. It also looks at the options we have as a peace loving people.
Background
First we have to look at the history of the issue and the authenticity of what these dogs are planning. Ndebeles are power hungry and will kill to be in power. this can be traced back to their origins. Mzilikazi tried a coup on shaka Zulu and failed. he then stole cattle and women from and ran away to Zimbabwe. This is our country from long ago. We lived peacefully with our neighbours until these people came and decided to kill us. Mzilikazi took over the area occuppied by Lemba, Kalanga and others (called hole in African Heritage).The Ndebele Impis massacred our people and tried to take our land. They met resistance when they got to Mashonaland proper because our forefathers had more superior spiritual power. Sekuru Chaminuka, Mbuya Nehanda are a case in point. So they went back with their tails underneath them and settled with sell-out Mambo who had been overthrown in Masvingo and Lemba who changed their names to Ndlovu.
Shiri inemuririwo wayo hayiwurege. The Ndebele continued to raid our area for women and cattle. all the beatiful women you see came from Mashonaland. They practised terrorism until the white came. the Ndebele under Lobengula sold our country. Lobengula was given a teaspoon of sugar and he signed Zimbabwe off. The Ndebeles never fought. They called the Whites to colonise them hoping to get more sugar. The Shona fought in the first Chimurenga but whites were helped by the Ndebele to defeat us. So you see it was the sell-out and greedy Ndebeles who made us a colony.


Edited by dingane (01/09/09 08:57 PM)
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#41653 - 01/09/09 10:25 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: dingane]
dingane Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
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Loc: Khanada
Nansi bafethu idocument part 2 and 3. If this is not hatred and tribalism then I don't know...
Confidential Shona Series 2 - Vatakati

War of liberation and ZANU

ZAPU was formed by the power hungry Nkomo(wedumbu guru). All he wanted was to fly around the world. Shona leaders wanted the country to be liberated but Nkomo said no. We then broke away to form ZANU PF and ZANLA forces. Our forces then won the war by defeating the Rhodesian forces. ZIPRA forces meanwhile just statyed in the refugee camps in Zambia and never came out to fight. When they brealized that the ZANLA forces were winning the war, they kept weapons givens to them and started planning to overthrow Mugabe as soon as independence was achieved.

Lancaster House Conference

Out of being nice, the Shona invited Nkomo and his people to join in the Lancaster House conference. Being power hungry, Nkomo tried to take over again under the Patriotic Front. Our leaders saw his deeds and refused. Elections were held and ZANU PF rightfully won as the people of Zimbabwe voted overhelmingly for the party that had fought the war.
Gukurahundi
A lot of lies have been said about Gukurahundi. Yes it is true there were problems in the early 1980s. They started it and got what they deserved.
Firstly the Ndebele are lying to say 20 000 innocent civilians died. There is no evidence to that. These are fabricated figures. Let them prove how they got to that number. Where are the mass graves? The grave we were shown by the Catholic Commission are those from the War of liberation against the Rhodesian forces. Gukurahundi only targeted dissidents like Gwesela and Gayigusvu. These were dangeraous people who wanted to overthrow a democratically elected government.
remember they started planning the coup when they were still in Zambia. So they got trainloads of weapons of mass destruction and transported to Zimbabwe. They started shooting at ZANLA forces at a Bulawayo camp called Entumbabe. They went into the locations and stared killing our people who were helping them. (Ndebeles had no professionals like teachers and nurses so we sent some of our people to Bulawayo to help them.) They continued to do this until the government was forced to react to maintain law and order.
Nkomo thought he was going to succed in overthrowing the government and left the unity government (he was Minister of Home Affairs courtesy of Bob). They had underestimated us. the main planners like Dabengwa and Masuku were arrested Gukurahundi was deployed. They were well behaved and contrary to what is bieng said did not touch any innocent civilians. the chronicle under the editorship of Nyarota covered the trouble and there is no evidence of any civilians being killed. So you see, they are lying, it is just an excuse to kill us.
the international community has done well not to listen to these dogs. They all know it is not true. that is whay they do not have support.

Operation Gundwane

take this very seriously. They stared training militia sometime ago. They are getting readyy to massacre us. We have to be ready too. We have to act quickly. You will remeber those horrible "xenophobia" attacks in South Africa. That had nothing to do with South Africans. It was Vatakati killing and burning our people. why do you think it was only the Shona who were targetted? that was the beginning of the revenge mission.
the second stage was to revive their dissident party ZAPU to have a political voice. They have been funding events in the Diaspora led by some JG Ndlovu. Dabengwa and Jekiseni are dangerous people. We need to deal with them. They want to eliminate us as a people. They are planning ethnic cleaning in Matabeleland and Midlands. They are claiming that they wrere a separate nation before colonisation. History indicates that Mzilikazi declared a kingdom called Mthwakazi. It is not clear why they call it Sena-Mthwakazi.
The third stage is to topple Tsvangirai and put Khuphe as President. This will enable them to declare the State of Sena-Mthwakazi and she will sign. So Khuphe needs to be stopped. She must be replaced by Chamisa or Biti with delay.

Simukai

We must stand up as a people. we can not allow these dissidents to have their way. We defeated them before and we can do it again.
We can do this in many one of the ways. In the workplaces, make sure they don't get jobs or promotion. Fustrate them into leaving , so their families will die of hunger.
in colleges, schools and universities, make sure they do not get places. Period. Let them remain illiterate.
Monitor those in the army and police and keep all keys to weapons away from them . Preferably, arrest them and lock them up.
Educate our people and tell them to be on guard.
If they form a new country, we must attack them and take over, and drive them back to South Africa once and and for all.
If anyone talks to you about Gukurahundi, dispute the 20 000 figure and ask for evidence.
If you work in hospitals you know what to do. You have access to injections and drugs that can do the job.

Mukarara tinopera!!!
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#41654 - 01/10/09 12:37 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: dingane]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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to be honest, mugabe is fabricating lies and thats the only thing he is good at, the fact that they are trying to make their evil plans to stay in power as they pray and worship mugabe is driving them insane. As i suggested b4 to bring as many as elite ndebeles to this forum and do much renovation and help our own and do good , frankly, GOD will hear the words of our mouth---the rest is history. surely the DOCUMENT IS just a vomit , mixed with dog poo then eaten by them shonas inturn they think we will be interested ....ooppps sory... let them eat it.. its their shit!

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#41665 - 01/10/09 10:14 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: dingane]
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
is this some kind of a joke or what? mfethu who is the writer of this bull***t (sorry) its just that i don`t know how to react to this or .kodwa empeleni this is true or what? gents if this is real i don`t see myself in any day ngixolela amaswina.
Dingane where didi you get thi document? madoda this is madness ngekesidelelwe yizinja lezi sivule amahlo never ontop of what these dogs did kukhona abasakhuluma like this i wonder who are those tshona leaders he is talking about because there are no leaders esitshoneni there killers who wre after defenceless people of uMthwakazi and kids and there are the last cowards of every creature i know in this world ,i wish ican meet the person who wrote this shit i`ll pop out his eyes with a very hot wire jeez yiubunja lobu okuyizinja konke okula enkundleni okungamatshona akuphume okuyimigodoyi lokhu.
these things doesn`t know anything about war angikhulumi ngokuthi bathi they liberated the country i don`t remember any day where they won a war in their history lezi zinto ebezithwala imibhobho eyokwethusela izalikazi lamaxhegeu eyayidubula ngendlubu namhlanje kuclaima ukuthi yikho okwa khulula izimbabwe. bafethu this thing iyanginyanyisa okokugcina ngci, thi is the time to stnd up sibonakale madoda, makunje kungangcono sibuyele egangeni siyoqedelela lapho ibhudi bethu abacina khona.


Edited by mg_d (01/10/09 10:15 PM)
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#41667 - 01/11/09 09:11 AM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mg_d]
Thabo70 Offline
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 50
Loc: Norfolk
Any unreasoning person with a sick mind is instilling hatred in people. The person can be a Mthwakazian or Shona. The bottom line is that, if you hear or read such documents think and ask yourself, what purpose does it serve? Is it helpful to you or other people? Critical thinkers and reflectors will think twice before taking a side when it comes tribal issues. Tribalism does not help or benefit anybody. Hatred and tribalism is any enemy of human race and is promoted by people who are socially sick.
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#41668 - 01/11/09 06:59 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mg_d]
dingane Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
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Loc: Khanada
mg_d,
Quote:
Dingane where didi you get thi document?

This document was forwarded to me by a friend. I'm sure many people have seen the document as evidenced by the fact that the originator of this thread is Bongani. I'm quite sure you are not accusing me of writing the document. What I did was put the document emphakathini for some people to see and comment on. i don't really know who wrote this document. But as I said in my posting above some of points raised in this document mirror specifcally the postings of a prominent iNkundla contributor - I shall not mention pseudo names. We all know who it is.
Indeed this document is full of hatred but did I fuel the hatred by putting this document eNkundleni at the request of others? I certainly do not think so. I feel i have right to share it to expose those that believe this website is full of tribalism.
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#41669 - 01/11/09 07:37 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mg_d]
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BAFOWETHU ABATHANEKAYO NO DADEWETHU ABAHLE, MINA NGIZOZIBIKA NJENGO MPHEMBELA NJA NGOBA UMAMA NGOWASE TSHOLOTSHO UBABA NGOWASE SHURUGWI EMPHEMBELANJA. NGALOKHO NGIZOTHANDA UKWAZAKALA NGALELOGAMA.

NGO 1980 UMAMA WABALEKA NATHI THINA NGANE ZAKHE E SHURUGWI SIBALEKELA IGAMA LOKUBIZWA NGO MANDEVERE NGOBA SASIKHULUMA SONA ISINDEBELE EKHAYA SIFUNDA ISISHONA ESIKOLWENI. SAHAMBA SAYAHLALA E ZHOMBE KO RICHARD GWESELA UMZALA WAMI(DISSIDENT NUMBER 1)

SASUKA SABA NENKINGA YOKHUKILIZA ISINDEBELE NJENGABANTWANA BASEMPHEMBELANJA. ABANTU BABENGASITHEMBI NGALOKHO,BESIBIZA NGAMASWINA. UMZALA WAMI U GWESELA WAYELOKUTHOLA I SUPPER YAKHE KITHI NGOBA NJENGE RUSSIAN TRAINED ZIPRA WAYESAZI UKUTHI OGUKURAHUNDI NGEKE BACABANGELE UMUZI WAMASHONA UKUTHI UNGASIZA UGWESELA.EKUCINENI OMUNYE U ANTI U-MADUNA WAHAMBA WAYATSHELA IGUKURAHUNDI UKUTHI MINA WANGIBONA NGINIKEZA UGWESELA AMAHEWU. SATSHAYWA BAFOWETHU FOR THREE WEEKS SAQHANYULWA AMATHAMBO KODWA SAPHIKA.
KWELINYE ICELE ZIZONDELWA UBUSHONA KWELINYE UBUNDEBELE.

INTO ENGIYAZI KAHLE YIKUTHI ABANTU ABAZALELWA KOMREWHA LAPHO OKUNGELA NDEBELE KHONA BANENKOLELO YOKUTHI INDEBELE NGUMABONWABULAWE. NALABO ABAZALELWA EKHEZI LAPHO OKUNGELA SHONA KHONA BABONA AMASHONA WONKE ENGO GUKURAHUNDI.

ABAZALELWA E MIDLANDS LAPHO OKUHLANGANA KHONA INTHLANGA ZOMBILI BANOLUNYE ULWAZI OLUNGAFANI.

HIKHO LIBONA KUKHONA ABANTWANA ABAFANA NAMI MINA MPHEMBELANJA ABANGEKE BEHLUKANISWE NOMAMA KUMBE NOBABA NGENXA YE POLITICS ZIKAMGABE OWATHOLA UBUKHOKHELI NGOKUKHIPHA AMASHONA KUZAPU EFORMER IZANU.

NGIYAMTHANDAZELA UMONGAMELI DUMISO UKUTHI I ZAPU IBE YIMPUMELELO. IZAPU YEQHINISO YAYIFANA NE ANC YASE SOUTH AFRICA ETHATHA AMAZULU,AMAXHOSA,AMASHANGANA,ABEVENDA NABESUTHU. YIKHO NGOBUKHULU BAYO I ZAPU NGABO 1961 YASUNGULA IGAMA ELITHI ZIMBABWE. LINGAPHAZANYISWA, IGAMA ELITHI ZIMBABWE LAPHUMA EMLONYWENI KA CHIBWECHITEDZWA, CHITEKWATEKWA JOSHUA NYONGOLO KAMQHABUKO NKOMO.

VUKA ZAPU ULUNGISE ISIZWE SAKHO ESEHLUKANISWA NGUMGABE WASEMALAWI

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#41670 - 01/11/09 07:47 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Thabo70]
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Bafowethu.

Baba Thabo70. Whilst no "reasoning" person "should" take this document seriously, I want to take you back in time.

In November 1979, ubaba u Siziba, who was a student in the UK, was mistakenly given the "1979 SHONA GRAND PLAN" by a "colleague", who mistakenly thought that u Siziba was a "Shona". NOTE that I am not using the term Shona in spite, but as a reference, because that was what that document was meant to be for, "FOR THE SHONA ELITE ONLY."

When he took it to the "Reasonable" ZAPU people who were "NOT TRIBALISTS", they accused him of being a shit-steerer, and rediculed him.

If you lived in Mthwakazi during the Gukurahundi and all the 29 years of ZANU failure, you will realise that sometimes it is those who see the danger of these hidden "MESSAGES" in such documents who are in reality not "unreasonable".

May I take you back in time again: In the late 60's, at a meeting of the ZAPU leadership in TANZANIA, a paper was circulated by "THE SHONA , FOR THE EYES OF THE SHONA ONLY", whilst the meeting was goin on. The message in that paper was that "Hatinga Tungamirwe ne ZIMUNDEVERE, RETUMBU". It landed into the hands of one of the Shona people who was not keen on seeing Nkomo being removed from the ZAPU leadership.

At that meeting it was thought and preached that SOMEONE is trying to instill fear in people. BUT A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT MEETING A LARGE NUMBER OF THE SUPPORTERS OF THAT PAPER LEFT ZAPU.

It is not "UNREASONABLE" to see the message behind the document.

Cheat me once, shame on you. Cheat me twice, shame on me.

THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE THE ONES THAT DO NOT BENEFIT FROM THEIR OWN MISTAKES.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#41673 - 01/12/09 07:37 AM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Zwangendaba]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Gents, let's talk about the insurgence of the dissidents themselves. Those guys (Gayigusu, Gwesela, Thambolenyoka etc) were goons coz they gave evil M-g-o-d-o-y-i the excuse to unleash 5th Bgde on uquqaba. I mean, what was their gripe? Who was their military/political leader (granted Nkomo publicly rejected them)? What was their strategy & vision? Why did they decide to camp in Mthwakazi land committing criminal acts, instead of taking the fight to Mashonaland (destroying key bases zeNja & sabotaging him)? Uma bebona innocent people bebulawa, why didn't they show up, fight mshini vs mshini to defend uquqaba from Mgo's murderers? Madoda, the culpability of these ill-disciplined army deserters in the 5th Bgde massacres must be exposed. Abantu abangena cala bafela ubala. 5th Bgde would kill them for 'harboring & aiding' dissidents while oGayigusu would kill them for selling them out to 5th Bgde. It's time abantu base Matebeleland woke up & saw ukuthi they're being used as pawns in every swine's political game.
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#41674 - 01/12/09 07:46 AM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Zwangendaba]
Morgan Offline
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Registered: 10/10/07
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Loc: South Africa
Be concerned! Be very concerned gentlemen. Kuhle ukuncwaningisisa izinto ezinje through conventional analytical canons but leyonto isilimaze abantu abaningi. Igukurawundi thing yathi iqala abantu bakithi bathi akula muntu ongenza into enjalo. Zwangendaba, uyibeka ngendlela efanele mfowethu. Bheka, abetshabi ukuthi bona bathatha yonke into serious kanjani. This thing ye-training of militia or rebels in Botswana bayithatha ngendlela e-serious kakhulu. Who are we, then, to dismiss into ekanje. Whether this thing was written by a Ndebele to let us hate abetshabi or ibhalwe ngumtshabi, it does not matter. Such a thing deserves our wrath. It deserve our preparedness for anything. Anywhere serious wars happen becuase of silly game and utteraces. To suggest that we must 'reason' and ignore this, kuyalingana lokuthi sithi abetshabi bayacabanga bengeke benze into enjalo. They can do that. They did that. What can stop them now?
Our ZIPRA reasone and agreed to disarm; what followed from then? Mina esami iseluleko yikuthi if abetshabi bethi they are arming themselves for the second phase of their mission, we must arm ourselves even much quicker. Abanye bethu bacabanga ukuthi the era of wars is over but they are mistaken, it is just the beginning. From my observation, the modern world is more warful that the pre-modern world. Angitsho ukuthi we must die as uMthwakazi but kufanele sibe-prepared to die a respectful death if lento isisivakatshela futhi. Abanengi sebafa endleleni eya-eGoli besithi babalekela ukufa. Ungabheka, that kind of death is even much painful than ukufa usilwa lomgodoyi lowana osusihluphe kwaze kweqa.

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#41675 - 01/12/09 08:14 AM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Morgan Offline
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Registered: 10/10/07
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Muntongenakudla, had it been that the so-called ama-dissident did not come into being, so the Grand-Plan was not going to be executed? Angazi noma uthi sizisole njengoba sonke kwakuthiwa singama-dissidents? Of course, kube sonke amaNdebele sasingekho babengasoze babulale abanye bethu. Noma ngikuthola kahle, kodwa mina ngicabanga ukuthi imbangela yoku-deserter lokho yayivele sebeyenzile. Omunye ubhudi wami uthi wawutshelwa ngabetshabi khona ekambeni ukuthi 'tshiya lowo msebenzi nxa ufuna ukuphila' and kuthi lapho uyayekela, ubesulandelwa uyebulawa ekhaya kini. Abanye babenikezwa i-leave, abeselandelwa ayebulawa ekhaya lakhe kuthiwe u-lidissident. Abanye bayazi ukuthi uCaptain Nleya wabulawa ngu-Nyikayaramba eku-full uniform. So whom do you blame there. In many instances, the so-called Gayigusu was a psuedo name used by soldiers to pause as dissidents. So far, kithi kwakukhona uGayigusu kodwa sengizwe labanye bethi ngowakibo. Ngisele lombuzo nje ukuthi kanti babebangaki oGarigusu labo? My argument still stands: Even if there were no real dissidents, abetshabi were going to create them and kill the civilians. Bangathanda nje lamanje bakhulise into yabo ye-Botswana leyo, bawakhe futhi amavukela mbuso babesebethi bavikela ilizwe bekoMthwakazi bechitha igazi labantu bakithi. Bayasizonda laba abantu. Period. Singaze sizisole, sibangcenge, sizisondeze, sibasondeze, sivume intando yabo, sibakhonze, sibaxolele, silahle ulimi lwethu, sibayekele--- i am sure ukuthi they don't care. They are determine to see our back to South Africa or anywhere away from them. Bayisizwe esonakeleyo. Like it or not these central African people like fighting too much. Bayafana labantu be-Sodoma le-Gomora. Why behlala behlabela nge-Hondo 20 years after independence?

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#41678 - 01/12/09 12:41 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Morgan]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
It's a sweeping statement ukuthi amaShona aya nizonda. It's as far fetched as the proverbial cow that jumped the moon. No group of people is naturally imbued with pathological hate. Hate is taught. In the context of M-g-o-d-o-y-i-land, it was purely the product of Mgo's goon politics. Ex Zipra troops turned bandits was a reality that existed. What l find senseless is why those bandits didn't take their war to Mashonaland? That way, uquqaba lwase Matebeleland wouldn't have been visited upon by 5th Bgde. Even if it were to be so, the Zipra bandits operating in Mashonaland would have had to visit upon Mgo's supporters the same if not worse viciousness. That would have balanced the scales & sent a grim wake up call to Mgo as to the folly of his ways. But the tragedy is that through their criminal agenda, the few rebels with no cause decided to camp in Matebele territory, bemosha kuma missionary schools - abducting abefundisi, beshisa ama DDF properties aye lungisa i-Matebele infrastructure. That gave goon Mgo an excuse to deploy his murderers, and the bandits dodged facing those 5th Bgde goons beard for beard, hiding in the bushes - unnecessarily costing 20 000 precious innocent lives. Now mina njenge lungu loquqaba ngithi: oThambolenyoka bansondo were equally culpable for that genocide.
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#41679 - 01/12/09 01:01 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Morgan]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Ngabesiyajoina inhlanganiso zethu ngabebesizasinda isizwe sakwaMthwakazi. Wozani madoda amamilitary wing azafuneka,kaliboni nje. Akulamuzi ongelanduku.Okuyizinto lokhu kubhejele ukusiqeda nya. Siyalicela awu! Maqhawe lama qhawekazi,kutheni lizondeni? Lingafulatheli igazilenu bantu?
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#41681 - 01/12/09 01:52 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
sidindangandlela Offline
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Registered: 12/02/08
Posts: 21
Loc: south africa
Lami ngithi ayihlome ihlasele enough is enough yisolesi isikhati asikho esinye..

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#41684 - 01/12/09 06:25 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Mpho Ncube Offline
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 32
Loc: Uk
Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla
Gents, let's talk about the insurgence of the dissidents themselves. Those guys (Gayigusu, Gwesela, Thambolenyoka etc) were goons coz they gave evil M-g-o-d-o-y-i the excuse to unleash 5th Bgde on uquqaba. I mean, what was their gripe? Who was their military/political leader (granted Nkomo publicly rejected them)? What was their strategy & vision? Why did they decide to camp in Mthwakazi land committing criminal acts, instead of taking the fight to Mashonaland (destroying key bases zeNja & sabotaging him)? Uma bebona innocent people bebulawa, why didn't they show up, fight mshini vs mshini to defend uquqaba from Mgo's murderers? Madoda, the culpability of these ill-disciplined army deserters in the 5th Bgde massacres must be exposed. Abantu abangena cala bafela ubala. 5th Bgde would kill them for 'harboring & aiding' dissidents while oGayigusu would kill them for selling them out to 5th Bgde. It's time abantu base Matebeleland woke up & saw ukuthi they're being used as pawns in every swine's political game.


Muntongenakudla, the state had a responsibility to protect uquqaba from ama 'goons' lawo owatshoyo but instead chose to attack a defenceless people because to the state(govt), "the insurgence of the dissidents" became a tribal issue rather than one of law and order. The rest, as they say, is history.Except Gukurahundi is no past-time to the thousands of victims in Mat'land. It is a daily reality.

Kodwa-ke, throwing accusations and counter-accusations at each possibly guilty party akusizi ngalutho okwamanje. khumbula kulo hlangothi lwabelungu abalimi in Mthwakazi who became the first ever govt militia after they were handed AK47s to "defend themselves". Did the state/govt extend that largesse to the Ndebele people who were being butchered?

What we need is an independent inquiry into Gukurahundi so that all the facts - including those about 'dissidents' - can be laid out in the open ukuze those who lost their loved ones can find closure.
Join us at MAGGEMM as we lobby for such a process.
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#41686 - 01/12/09 08:46 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Mpho Ncube]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Loc: Mtubatuba
Sipho, the bastards you impose the duty to safeguard lolo quqaba were, are & will remain a goon govt. They flagrantly abdicated their responsibility to protect uquqaba kudala. And leyonto ama deserters knew it - given the untenable situation in the army camps, bebulawa etc. Now in the backdrop of lolo khondolo lwe nhlekelele, by choosing to aimlessly roam the bushes of Matebeleland, instead of invading Mashonaland baphihlize imigodoyi, lawo mambuka were as dastardly as uM-g-a-k-l-a. They were & will always share the culpability for the massacres of innocent Matebeles. Now for you to invite me in 2009, to join iMAGGEM yakho & clamour for a commission of enquiry (via talk shows in UK) under the auspices of the same goon govt! Bru, get a life - leyo nto eniyi phokophele angeke ize yenzeke. What you need is a stick (not carrot) approach. You must mobilise izidlamlilo (insurgents) njenga manje, invade M-g-o's Mashona territory, nishaye kwasani - saguga, ngane, mqemane, konke - nibenze isilo sengubo! Then a commission of enquiry will happen - by the power of leyo ndluzula. Akukh' okunye!
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#41687 - 01/12/09 10:16 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: dingane]
mg_d Offline
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
Dingane sawubona mfowethu mina ngisaphila,ngiyaxolisa bhudi iwasn`t implying ukuthi wena you are the who wrote this document it was aquestion of concern bro i`m sorry for that its only that i`was shocked even i`m still shocked i never thought ukuthi these dogs still want to kill us i think this is awakeup call for all the Mthwakazian people to get ready for the kill not only war kuthanyelwe sani ngitsho lo tshani lobu as long as kusesitshoneni indaba yoku joyina asupport group leyi nxa kunje ayisebenzi (MAGGEM) because these people will sitting down with the enemy drink nice coffee while people are suffering outside llakho okuyizinja lokhu kuyabe kubhizi kutrainer another gkulawundi kuzosibulala thina nje kufanele siyqedelele into eyaqalwq ngu mdala wethu siqhubeke la agcina khona angeke silinde ukutshona kwelanga ngoba asazi ukthi liyotshona kunjani akufiwe kade sisifa even now we are still dying.
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#41692 - 01/13/09 12:46 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: mg_d]
sidindangandlela Offline
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Registered: 12/02/08
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Loc: south africa
AKE LIBONE MADODA

Zanu-PF recovers vehicle from Ndlovu

Chronicle Reporter



ZANU-PF Bulawayo province has recovered a vehicle, which its former secretary for security, Mr Andrew Ndlovu, who is part of those working on the revival of Zapu was holding onto.
Zanu-PF officials who requested anonymity said they took the Mazda double cab from Mr Ndlovu because he was using the vehicle for Zapu programmes, yet it belonged to the ruling party.
The sources said the vehicle was taken away from Mr Ndlovu while he was having a meal at a restaurant along Masotsha Ndlovu Avenue on Wednesday.
?We took away the vehicle from Ndlovu on 7 January because he was abusing the party car. He had removed the Zanu-PF logos from the vehicle and imprinted Zapu statements. That shows that Ndlovu is no longer part of Zanu-PF, so why should he hold onto the property,? said the Zanu-PF official.
The ruling party cadres complained that the car was damaged and needed intensive repairs.
They, however said Zanu-PF would foot the bills to repair the car.
?The doors are no longer locking and some parts are being tied by wires but we are taking the car to a garage for service. The car was used in bad roads in the rural areas for a long time and that caused the damage,? said the official.
The Zanu-PF official said they were seeking to repossess a vehicle used by the provincial secretary for the commissariat, Cde Silas Dlomo, because he was boycotting meetings.
A letter has been written to him advising him to surrender the car.
Contacted for comment, Mr Ndlovu threatened that Zapu would recover the vehicles from Zanu-PF.
?Those cars belong to Zapu. We will make sure that we get the vehicles even if it means going to court. We divorced with Zanu-PF but we have the right to take some of the properties,? he said.
Mr Ndlovu said he bought spares for the car, including tyres.
Last month, former Zanu-PF Bulawayo Province chairman, Cde Macleod Tshawe, was embarrassed after being dispossessed of the party vehicle at a bottle store.
Cde Tshawe was forced to surrender the vehicle, a Toyota Hilux twin cab, to scores of Zanu-PF youths who accused him of championing the revival of Zapu.
The youths said they could not let Cde Tshawe ?abuse the car by attending to Zapu business when he resigned from Zanu-PF.?
Cde Tshawe first argued that he would surrender the vehicle to the Zanu-PF leadership including the Secretary for Transport Cde Sithokozile Mathuthu and Finance Secretary Cde David Karimanzira but bowed to pressure from the youths.
The revival of Zapu led by former Home Affairs Minister, Dr Dumiso Dabengwa began in November.



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#41694 - 01/13/09 02:56 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: sidindangandlela]
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Some of the sponsors of DISSIDENTS are mentioned in this book. Dont forget that armoury was not largely available as the armies had been demobilised and disarmed. "THROUGH DARKNESS: A LIFE IN ZIM" by Judith Garfield Todd.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (01/13/09 03:01 PM)
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#41729 - 01/15/09 06:04 PM Re: Abetshabi bayaqhubeka ngenzondo!!! [Re: Muntongenakudla]
omnyama Offline
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Registered: 06/21/07
Posts: 97
Loc: banana republic
Muntongenakudla,
In SA, abelungu in general benefited from Apartheid. It is no comfort to Blacks to tell them that "not all whites hate you", it's just a few goons. This is the mentality that Nkomo had, all the way from the incidents in camps during the war, to "pasi na ngomo" slogans, by ZANLA, to gukurahundi. Nkomo ignored these literally to his personal and his people's peril!
While it may be true that "imfene ngu Mgabe ngokwakhe and a few of his goons", this is hardly any comfort to the millions who are victims of these people. Shonas in general benefit from the policies of these people. They participate willingly. They are not innocent.
Read this!
http://rhodesian.server101.com/tidal_wave_of_hate.htm

While the credibility of such documents is hard to establish, the history of the suffering of the people of Matebeleland at the hands of people who habour similar sentiments as expressed in this document is recorded history!

There might be no Shona Grand Plan as such. It could have been the product of Rhodesian agents, as the document is displayed on their website. It is hard to tell!!!
Remember that when the CIO double agent(s) WOODS/CONJWAYO were released they confirmed that so called Super-ZAPU dissidents were SA agents. Woods bemoaned the dissapperance of the 6 tourists in Matebelaand in early 80's as due to overzealousness on the part of these agents(the government was seen as slow in implementing what the boers wished to see happen, hence the drastic step of murdering of international tourists!)
The army deseters who were hounded out or escaped to save their lives were few. They did not have sufficient motivation to "take the fight to Mashonaland" as you suggest. These were personal grivences which they could not take to any body. I personally know two, ex-ZIPRA who were totured. They left and came to Jo'burg. They did not become dissidents!

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