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#41570 - 01/05/09 05:14 PM Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele....
Skuvethe Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Back ngo 2002, Mbodlomani Gojwana, writing in the hard-hitting ' Indonsakusa ' publication said this about Ndebele leadership;

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The development of individual leaders is a possible and assailable task. Ndebele national traditions are still in place but need to be vigorously reinforced and coupled with a modernist approach which will take into account globalisation.
Leadership Part 1

Aphinde athi;

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Continuous assessment of the present plight of the Ndebele nation shows that these requirements can only remain an illusion if there is neither discussion nor appropriate steps taken to arrive at them. Abadala bathi ikhethwa ematholeni. This means that a Ndebele leader can only come from the present stock of individuals.
However, the circumstances which account for the fostering of these leaders seem to offer differences whereby propective leaders have emerged and tried to regroup by forming organisations, only for those organisations to disappear into thin air without making a significant impact on behalf of the Ndebele nation.
In conclusion, once the Ndebele nation takes the leadership vacuum issue seriously enough, they will realise that it is them and only them that can make that leader. On the other hand, those prospective individuals who have a potential to lead should be brave, work in tandem with the people and above all seek unity, otherwise sizabe siluqunga oluzama ukukhula egumeni, ebusika.

Leadership Part 2


Bakwethu, liyizwa kanjani lendaba(no naming of names please,unless they are already public figures, to protect individuals)
Ngithe ngikhangela lokhu okutshiwo ngu Mbodlomani, 7 years after he wrote it, ngazibuza imibuzo eminengi ngaloludaba lwezi nkokheli zeSizwe sakithi.
Ngiqale ngokukhangela ukuthi abeTshabi benzani ukuthuthukisa inkokheli zabo ngathola ukuthi kabasabi iminyaka yomuntu. Noma emncane kanjani, iMDC ibathethe abakhaliphileyo abatshabi yabafaka ezikhundleni ezithuthukisa ubukhokheli babo. Bheka oChamisa, Learnmore,Biti nabanye abangene ephalamende njalo baphiwa 'cabinet-level' responsibilities kwi MDC bengaphansi kwe 30 iminyaka yokuzalwa.
Kwesethu isigaba, kangibaboni oChamisa bethu. Ngabe kwenziwa yini lokhu? Kungabe kuyisintu sethu esithi kufanele ubeyikhehla before ukhokhela? Namhla abetshabi bakhangele ukuthi uBiti kumbe uChamisa bakhokhele after uTshwankilani. Thina silabaphi abatsha abazamelana nabo Biti isikhathi singafika? Siyadelela kumbe siya meyisa umuntu kithi nxa emncane kodwa ekhokhela at 'cabinet-level'? Is it possible, for example, for the revived Zapu to have a 38 year old man/woman as Dabengwa's deputy so that they can take over the reins in 2-3 years' time? Would Zapu members 'delela' or doubt i wisdom yomuntu omncane kangako if engabakhokhela?

Kunjalo-nje;

Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Zabalaza!!
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#41571 - 01/05/09 05:32 PM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Skuvethe]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/08
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i don't mind if all our ndebele "leaders" are "old'!we are of different stock, we shouldn't do things the TSHABIAN style. if TSHABIANS have 23 year old parliamentarians thats their ngxaki/nkinga/matata/mrara, we mthwakazians do things our own way.

our nguni blood brothers dont have 30 year old parliamentarians/ senators and so do our sotho/tswana/kalaka cousins!!we do things our own way!!most of all never compare us with the tshabians!!we are different hygiene'nically, linguistically,ancestrally etc!!
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#41583 - 01/06/09 12:18 AM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Skuvethe]
mg_d Offline
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
mfethu kunjani ngiyethemba uphilie ubukhokheli is not about age kudingeka umuntu oyindoda emadodeni umuntu olesithunzi othi nxa ezaphakama kubonakale ukuthi kukhona omileyo ofuna ukukhuluma hayi okuhwayibhetshu ngoba kwafunda kwadlulisa. don`t forget ukuthi the old Zapu had a young guy uSydney Malunga because he had potential of taking over from uMqabuko okungumgodoyi kwambulala leyo Mdc okhuluma ngayo yahlukana because of such reasons zabafana abancane kuthiwa bala seats epalamende its all about dignity .
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#41584 - 01/06/09 06:43 AM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Skuvethe]
Gaselomhle Offline
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I'll share my own personal opinions:
For one to be nominated as a leader they should have proven that they have the required abilities, charisma & skills despite their age.
Ngokwelihlo lami, koMthwakazi, especially in the political arena the Ndebeles tend to want to take the back stage whether old or young. However if any could prove to have the leadership qualities I don't think anyone would despise them basing on age eg We had Methembe nominated to replace old Dick Chama as Bosso coach, of course there were a few individuals who despised his age but having delivered they were all silenced.
My main worry ngoMthwakazi it's being comfortable in being lead and never aspiring to lead, as a result we've never had it our own way because silandela ngemuva all the time.
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#41595 - 01/06/09 01:50 PM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Skuvethe]
Jah Dingani Offline
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Registered: 04/24/03
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This an important issue that you raise. The remnants of that kind of thinking (elders should be leaders)in our people is surprisingly still there. If people form a grouping and those 'usual' elders are not there, then that grouping is deemed stillborn or questions will be raised why those elders are not in the driving seat of that particular organisation. Anyone can be a leader as long as they have vision,are strategic in achieving that vision,have the charisma and national appeal to march their people toward a defined revolutionary goal.
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#41612 - 01/07/09 11:38 AM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Jah Dingani]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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this is the most intrigueing arguement i have came across here, however, the issue lies in how and where should the elite(leaders of such quality) be meeting?

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#41624 - 01/07/09 10:44 PM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Jah Dingani]
mg_d Offline
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Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 155
Loc: south africa
njengabantu esikhuliswe isintu madoda ngicela siyibheke kanje lendaba traditional and political or ngeso lesilungu.
fisrtiy where i come from eKezi just afew kilometres away from Balagwe mountain where most of abantu bakithi ababebulawelwa khona kulomuzi wenduna yakithi uFuyana,the old man himself passed away and his son took over yes uyiyona induna but the responsibilities that comes with being a chief akakhoni he travels a lot to mzansi because he was working there i`m talking about somebody who is not more than forty five and he is still enjoying that life abeyiphila before yokuba ngumjida than being a chief.
a friend of mine is from Filabusi he is supposed to be at home to be a chief but he is not ready responsibilities will fail him, eqinisweni bafowethu ubunkokheli regardless of being political or traditional it needs somebody ozoba responsible for everything.
political lets not go too far we have our own Mpc which i beilive inkoheli zakhona kthey are still counted under iyouth category,where is the Mpc maybe basazama ukuhlela whatever abayizamayo kodwa check iZapu oDabengwa it never took them time ukuthi kwazakale ukuthi iyavuswa thats why i`m saying isibindi,responsibilities i`m not supporting indaba yokuthi kumele kube ngumuntu omdala okufanele akhokhele elder people they have the advantage of making good leaders than young people.


Edited by mg_d (01/07/09 10:47 PM)
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#41632 - 01/08/09 10:00 AM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: mg_d]
Mbezothuli Offline
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Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 40
Loc: Esantini
Isifikise ngaphi leyo young leadership yabetshabi. Okwenza thina sithande ileadership yabadala yikuthi ukuhlakanipha kubuzwa ebadaleni. Yiwo amavalues eSiNdebeleni lawo. Sikholelwa ukuthi leaders are born not made, bafakwa ngamadlozi esizwe. Esitshabeni you can be a leader nxa ukwazi ukuqila lokubulala abanye. Having said that once in a while a leader arises that is inspired by abadala as seen in people like Josh etc. They were young then. These days we are scattered and how do we develop leadership? through the internet? Also note that uTvangirai was an accidental leader of the MDC because they reckoned abetshabi yimajority. Gibson was the man. If you really look hard behind every successful, stealing, murdering Tshabi(in politics) is a hardwork Ndebele.

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#41636 - 01/08/09 01:34 PM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: Mbezothuli]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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my arguement based on the two above gentlemen is that thina amandebele singamagwala , sihlezi sihkulima mihla ngemihla kodwa ayikho into eyeziwayo. IN order for anything to be archievable with high success MONEY speaks, i reckon we should fight ofcourse some will fall, however their blood will be a great blessing to the upcoming youth. speaking to e.g newly elected parliament speaker on this website or such, will make a difference, its great if his views can be shared and inturn listens to his roots voices

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#41641 - 01/09/09 03:00 AM Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... [Re: science]
Lonkosi Offline
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Registered: 09/28/07
Posts: 6
Loc: australia
mina ngibona sengathi ukuze sibelenkokheli ezizahlonipheka kumele zisukele kutraditional structures not ukuthi amapoliticians asitshele ukuthi nagu ubani lizamvotela nguye ozalikhokhela kumele thina kubeyithi esibatshelayo ukuthi nangu ubani sesimkhethile.

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