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#5857 - 10/09/04 05:48 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
THANDINDABA Offline
Nduna

Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 312
Loc: donkwedonkwe
Mabila,
Ngiyakuzwa Dadewethu njalo I respect your views. however in your new country maybe next door to your house lives a remarkable gentleman they call Dubya or George Bush to many. Like you he is a man of principle and sticks to his principles in Iraq, Israel, Palastine and the rest of the world with a missionary zeal. However even my grandmother Khonale Emadwaleni village will tell you that these priciples have only served to bring unmitigated disaster and devastation to the rest of the world and have left the Christian world in the biggest peril since the crusades.There is a big gulf betwwen true principles and sheer bull-headedness. Priciples require more brain than brawn as your American hosts are now learning in Iraq. Who would have thot we would live to see innocent people like those hostages being used as pawns in Iraq just because their president stuck to his principles? At times just as Lenin once observed in his Economic principles, compromise is the best option, hence he stated that some times we need to take a step back in order to take two foward. If associating with the Moyos of this world is a compromise that will help us attain our immidiate and long term goals then lets be willing to take them on board. If Mugabe can use them why can't we? Afterall bathi ngesikhathi sendlala kudliwa eyomuntu imbala. Right now until you and the other courageuos sons and daughters of uMtwakazi decide to raise their heads above the parapet we have to make do with the likes of the natty proffesor as he has not shown any fear of takling the bull by its horns. Lets forget trying to sniff out his motives which in any case may turn out not to be evil and look at the results.

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#5858 - 10/09/04 08:31 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Siphepheli Offline
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Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sthutha:
<strong> Sphepheli,

Ngiyakucela lapha ukuthi uchaze kahle ukuthi ubona njani ngalokhu;
1.Abasuka emazweni belama-skills abo anjengalawo olawo kumbe owadingayo njengo Mthuli sithi bafike ekhaya benzeni?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okokuqala utsho liphi ikhaya ngoba mina okwamanje angilalo ikhaya mnakwethu? <img border="0" alt="bigcry" title="" src="graemlins/bigcry.gif" />

Okwesibili I have no problems with anyone's skills
nor how and why they are acquired. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> .Amaskills okhuluma ngawo ngawokwakha kumbe ngawokubhidliza?

Okwesithathu odlayo bakithi kazidlele kodwa hayi ukuninda izibunu zabangadlanga ngebhizha. Elika 'bathi ngithe' alisizi. Isela ngelibanjiweyo. Umlilo wesela awothiwa. Umvundla utshaywa lesikhundla. Igundwane lifela amafufu.

Okwesine bakithi let us not try to justify impambeko zethu labethu abatholakala besephula umthetho.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>2.Nxa abantu bakithi singasababoni ku-front line yokwenza izinto ezinhle sizathini/sizezwa njani?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nxa kukuhle akusoze kusolwe. Ungabona sekulensolo mnakwethu sokukhona okungalunganga. Engxenye mina I expect too much ngoba isifiso sami ngesokuthi kunga'benefit' wena lami who already have means to stay above the water kodwa kusize abangelanix. Engikubonayo is that the few of the 'ours' (abethu) who are inside iziphala zomkhenkethe are doing it for their own benefit (lemuli zabo, as you put it) but then clamour loudly that they are doing it for uquqaba. Worse still we get people like you and me who are outside the frying pan praising and ululating the 'good deeds' zalaba bahuquluzi. <img border="0" alt="kill" title="" src="graemlins/kill.gif" />

Ungabotshwa untshontshe isinkwa ngenxa yokuthi ubulambile kulungile ke ukuthi umthethwandaba ukuxolele ngoba ubuzinceda phela. Yikho phela lokhu okuyingqondo esingahambelani lakho mnakwethu ngoba yikho osekubulele ilizwe lesizwe. Yikho okusenza sibizwe mbacu ngabanye ombacu. Kubi bakithi kubi. Okuhle kuhle kuyabukwa and okubi kubi kuyasolwa njalo nje. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Kanti ukusebenzela imuli yakho uyindoda ngeqiniso eZimbabwe kubi ngani?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ukusebenza kuhle mnakwethu, kodwa hatshi ukusebenza uzulu read work the masses. Kumele sisebenzele imuli zethu hatshi ukusebenzisa imuli zabomakhelwana in the process. Yikho ngithe dlana nxa usidla without attempting to rub the associated/accompanying guilt on everybody else. Umuntu kadle bakithi. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>3.Isikhathi nxa sesitshayile emazweni esokuya ekhaya kufanele sifike sigoqe izandla na ngokwesaba ama-armchair critics? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do I sense an 'if we can't beat them let's join them' defeatist sentiment here? Let us use our skills to lift ourselves out of the self-created quagmire rather than to further entrench ourselves in it. Unless I am missing the whole point, it being that the skills we are busy acquiring are skills of hoodwinking uquqaba and ukuqeqetsha kwezobuhuquluzi obesibanga esingaphezu kwesalabo abasenza sabangombacundini? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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#5859 - 10/10/04 05:48 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
I am trying very hard to agree that even though the hondo yeminda has been so disastrous we should all leap aboard this express train steaming towards oblivion.

I am trying very hard to see that if there are short term benefits to be had from joining the Zanu PF project those who join are visionaries and not maggots feeding on a putrefying corpse.

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#5860 - 10/10/04 06:59 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
ndumelihle Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 54
Loc: Cardiff
The vultures have descended.The apologists have taken over and are masquereding as Jonah's lietanants.We have seen it before, whereby the oppressed become subjugated to the effect of seeing their oppressor as their saviour when infact this is just but another strategy to control their lives.Once Jonathan has got what he wants he would care less and less.The people of Tsholotsho need no one but themselves to emancipate them. I am not from Tsholotsho but would like to point out that a great number of Tsholostho's sons and daughters work in South Africa and Botswana and these people are the backbone of many families.If Tsholotsho is to move foward it should involve them.However they are treated as second rate citizens in their districts.They have never abandoned their families and even during the Gukurahundi era.The amount of money these individuals have per month can run a government ministry for a month.Create conditions for these Tsholotsho sons and daughters to invest.However if Tsholotsho is being made to depend on people who are there for the vote only then there is a problem.The came Cain Mathema with his 'iTsholotsho iluhlaza' philosophy and that was it. Cain registered a welfare organization which had his wife and Simba involved. What has happenned now?.

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#5861 - 10/10/04 09:50 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Siphepheli Offline
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Baba Thandindaba,

Xola mnakwethu. Mayuyu bo. Kuhle ukuthi sihlasele kumbe sihlahlele imicijo ebekiweyo kulokuthi sidlithize inyama yalowo ojikele umcijo. Kungabakuhle ukuthi ingxoxo iqhubekele phambili thina esesithukuthele sibethwa ngumoya ngaphandle kulokuthi sikhefuze amalangabi adiliza indlela yengxoxiswano enhle.

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#5862 - 10/14/04 11:43 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Masola wa Dabudabu Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 10/03/02
Posts: 138
Kunjenje layekhaya; sabulawa ngumuntu esasimethemba! Nxa uyindoda ugug'uzwile!

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#5863 - 10/18/04 02:30 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
THANDINDABA; DO YOU RECALL THIS POST?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[/B] Mabila
Dadewethu usufuna ukuvusa enye indaba yarights lapha. Leyo inzima dade ngoba esintwini abanengi bakhuliswa ngelithi "ubaba uyahlonitswa, umama uyathandwa".I suspect that umdala wethu ULobengula subscribes to this hense he conviniently skipped giving you the apology you deplomatically asked him to make.As for me frankly speaking when it comes to that particular issue l would rather keep my views to myself because they may cause an outcry in this forum. [B]
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess you were also expressing your principle in a specic matter which I respected.

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#5864 - 10/18/04 11:45 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Dokotela Offline
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1304
Loc: Emkhathini
Sengi kufaka emthwalweni wami ukubabaza ngendaba eqinisekileyo ekuthatheni umhlabathi kubantu be East Afrika.

Bengile sifiso sokuthi ngabe baba selwazini ngoba balele abantu laba. Ngiza thumela incwadi kuma phephandaba athize.

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#5865 - 10/18/04 03:36 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
THANDINDABA Offline
Nduna

Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 312
Loc: donkwedonkwe
Mabila,
That is the problem with the written word. Its as good/bad as setting everything in stone. It always provides someone with a useful point of reference when you least want your past views on something to be remembered. And by a cruel twist of fate or coincidence you have decided to qoute me when I am involved in a mortal combat with some natives here at college on issues of gay rights, rights to marry of transexuals etc. Its a blessing they don't read this forum otherwise their assertions that I am an ultra-conservative, prejudiced ignoramus would be considered true by these too liberal friends of mine.

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#5866 - 10/18/04 10:22 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
I am delighted we do not have to go into that debate then. Thanks to your friends and that the position previously posted is no longer reflective of your current thinking on Women's Rights issues. Kuyabongeka Thandindaba.

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