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#6377 - 05/20/05 08:38 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Mabila

hk hk hk abadala bathi 'ubukhosi ngamazolo' Izinto zamtshela nge speed esinzima. Sithemba uzavuka ilanga lingatshona njalo (amazolo abuye akhithike).

Cde Pots you are bringing up an interesting thing ekhombisa ubuyibo bakhe uJo - cunning and deceitful. Khona ekubona kuqakathekile ukuthi akhulume lezinduna kwenziwe lemikhuba eyiyo. All along ubebona kungcono kwenziwe eyabo Kagubi!! sho! Nx izinduna zakithi are a let down ngendlela abancabanga ngayo ukuthi uJona has to be called in inorder to carry amasiko. Hayi bo!

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#6378 - 05/20/05 10:29 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
sthutha Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 304
Gents,

Nxa ungumuntu owakhulela koBulawayo ngiyathemba uyabe usazi ukuthi uku-commemorater kwama-occassions lawa has always been done.

Kusobala ukuthi any citizen yeMatebeleland ele-interest kulezi izinto would participate nxa ufuna.What is surprising about uku-participator kuka Jonathan?How does it summarise ukutshelwa kwakhe ngamanzi?Wona waphi?

Abantu besintwini should not be appologetic in what ever way when it comes to these important cultural events, it is their right and should be free to participate who ever they may be.These events have usually been short of high profile people and for me the said participation of Professor Moyo is nothing but a plus.

Ngikhumbula sibhoda ngemigwaqo koByo sivunule amabhetshu sihlome siphelele silibutho lika Mthwakazi representing Mzilikazi's armies ngo 1996 ku-commemorathwa eGadadi emegcekeni ako Khayisa.Abanengi besaba ukuya, lisesaba ababusi benu,sasikhona thina.Lapho kwaku khunjulwa i-last battle ye Ndebele army against Rhodes'invading force.Abanengi benu into ezinjalo you were not born into them and therefore know very little about them, lizazela yona iZanu le loku gcona abazama ukubumba isizwe sakithi.Okwenzakala lelo langa angisoze ngafa ngaku khohlwa ngoba kwaku yiku vuselela isizwe kukhunjuzwa ukuqakatheka kokuba yithi.

Lingasola abazama ukubumba but at whose expense?Why is the Minister of Tourism opposed to these things?It has nothing to do with Professor Moyo but everything to do with suppression of the people of Matabeleland and you find joy in that.

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#6379 - 05/20/05 10:49 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sgero Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 05/31/04
Posts: 643
Loc: United Kingdom
Sthutha

Kuhle mfowethu nge participation yakho in this important event yesizwe. What you fail to understand kuhle yikuthi this is an event that is part of us and ayidingi any HIGH PROFILE person.

Am not against the event and never ngazi nge Zanu and never will they be abakhokheli bami or imuli yakwethu. What am against is the politicization of this event, simple. What's the point of ukuthi izinduna ziyedinga uJona for that? Wena kulomuntu owake wahamba wayakunxusa ukuthi uvunule and commemorate this important aspect of our heritage. Hantsho wazihambela ufuqwa yikuthi it is part of you. It's nonsense simple. Whether he is there or not, all events zemandulo will be carried out even if thina abantu kazana siyiqhuba.

It is high time abantu bakithi stop this nonsensical hero-worshipping engelangqondo lalapho okungafanelanga khona.

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#6380 - 05/21/05 09:42 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
sthutha Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 304
Where are you getting this information from that chiefs were looking for Professor Moyo?

I personally think that the said chiefs want this event done and are organising that it be done and Moyo has shown interest.I don't see what is political about his participation.Anyway what is that Moyo can do differently for this event that the chiefs have failed?These things have always been done by interested people without the influence/participation of politicians and I therefore think the reporter who sees Moyo's involvement as a political move is absurd.Nxa efuna ukuba khona entweni zesizwe uJonathan kubi ngani?Do we have to wait for Mujuru to come and tell us what to do in Matabeleland?

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#6381 - 05/22/05 11:20 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Manyanyatha Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 04/08/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Sikombingo
Bayathethela yini oJona leziNduna. Nxa kunjalo ngubani owake waliswa ukuyathethela? Akwaziwa ukuthi iUMR izabuya kanjani. Bekungani singahamba labo siyethethela mhlawumbe amadlozi angasilwela lempi.

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#6382 - 06/03/05 02:22 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Bafowabo

Prof Moyo is beginning to bare his teeth and Zanu-Pf will feel the bite:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Moyo fights constitutional amendment

By Mduduzi Mathuthu
Last updated: 06/03/2005 11:46:09
ZIMBABWE'S former Information Minister Jonathan Moyo on Thursday filed a constitutional petition challenging Zanu PF's claims of a two thirds majority in Parliament.
Professor Moyo, through his lawyer Johannes Tomana wants the Supreme Court to make it clear that the 10 chiefs in Parliament are not Zanu PF 'MPs'. If granted, the declaration will prevent Zanu PF from pushing ahead with planned constitutional amendments.
Zanu PF won 78 of the 120 contested parliamentary seats in March. President Robert Mugabe has the power to appoint 12 non-constituency MPs and eight governors. Added together, Zanu PF has claimed that it has 108 MPs in the 150-member Parliament, which gives it a two thirds majority and a licence to amend the constitution.
Moyo's petition is based on a document presented by the Zanu PF secretary for legal affairs Patrick Chinamasa at the party's 162nd extraordinary session last week in which he claimed the party had the constitutional force to amend the constitution.

Acting on Chinamasa's advice, Zanu PF immediately set in motion plans to amend the constitution and reintroduce the Senate which was abolished soon after Independence in 1980.
Moyo says the Zanu PF two thirds majority claims are "concocted", further describing them as a "political fraud".
New Zimbabwe.com was unable to obtain the court documents last night, but a Harare lawyer who read the petition said: "Prof Moyo is arguing that the 10 chiefs are elected through their own electoral college system (peers), and not through registered voters on the common voters' roll.

"Therefore, they are not part of Zanu PF in terms of the law and constitution, and if they are withdrawn from the Zanu PF numbers, it leaves the party with 98 seats and short of the two thirds majority it claims.

"Moyo also contends that Chinamasa misled his own party when he said Zanu PF had 108 seats (78 elected, 10 chiefs, 8 governors and 12 non-constituency MPs). Moyo also states that the 12 non-constituency MPs and eight governors are open to question as to whether they can be counted as Zanu PF MPs," the lawyer said.

"His point is that they were appointed to parliament by Mugabe as Head of State, and not as leader of Zanu PF which therefore means they have a constitutional role in parliament rather than a partisan, political-driven one. He points out that the apparent assimilation of the chiefs, the governors and the non-constituency MPs into the Zanu PF set up is through patronage arrangements which have no constitutional force.

"Moyo wants the constitutional court to make it clear that while the chiefs are free to vote with whichever political party, they are not part of Zanu PF and their presence in Parliament cannot, therefore, be used to boost Zanu PF numbers.

"Moyo contends that if Zanu PF manages to effect constitutional amendments based on its highly questionable two thirds majority, that would undermine the country's constitutional order and the operations of our sovereign parliament."

Moyo expelled himself from government when he rejected Mugabe's pleas not to stand as an independent candidate in Tsholotsho, where he beat both the Zanu PF and opposition MDC candidates for the seat.
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#6383 - 06/03/05 04:50 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
As some people say actions speaks louder than words. Prof has started doing what he knows best. Uyabona the worm has been inside the fruit and it knows all the weaknesses. Considering how jeked up Prof is I think people now should be on his side and support him whenever he is doing good work, rather than just looking from afar the MDC and other interested parties like the NCA/ Maduku should support Moyo on this issue, irregardless of the differences that might exist within them.

I still think Prof will make them sweat. Even Lobathi admitted that Prof is clever. Now the Prof is practising asazi

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#6384 - 06/04/05 01:21 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Masola wa Dabudabu Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 10/03/02
Posts: 138
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mabila:
<strong> How soon Moyo forgets that he also govened with equal vernom. To add salt to injury, the reward is a paltry E Class merc at book value that he will sell at market value!How soon Moyo forgets! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tell them Mabila. Jonathan Moyo is a saint to sinners and crooks!

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#6385 - 06/05/05 04:30 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Will the success of this petition stop the chiefs from voting with ZPF?

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#6386 - 06/14/05 10:00 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
After listenning to Mabhena hatshi uMoyo sengimbeka eceleni. I think uMabhena has a point. I support uMabhena

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