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#17 - 09/16/03 05:32 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Sorry Jaz - but it did work.

Again.

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#18 - 09/16/03 06:19 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
Jazelindizayo

I find it sad that I have to be providing defence on this website for stories published on another site.
The truth is that the story was two-fold. There were the Asian porn merchants and the general looseness of Zim women who willingly go into the porn industry.
That said, may I also remind you gentlemen that we did seek to hide the hardcore stuff and by the way, under no circumstances would we have published pictures of people who were secretly filmed.
I hope that does it Jazelindizayo

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#19 - 09/16/03 06:22 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
Marcus

As for you my brother, I am still wounded by the reference to me as "self defined doyen....."

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#20 - 09/16/03 08:02 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mfowethu Mdu I have to admit that I borrowed a reference from elsewhere on your website which seemed to echo certain Jazelindayo-isms which were previously applied to me and it maybe this use of words to which you are now referring.

So you see when you described me as a man of fine words and eloquence superior to your own I had indeed borrowed my eloquence from you and was opetrating under intellectually false pretences.

You know that, particularly at a time of crisis for anybody interested in the free expression of ideas, I would not wish to impugn your newsgathering or, indeed, at a personal level, hurt your feelings, for all the tea in China.

I would like to retract not just any word but any shadow of any word that was or tended to be abusive.

In addition having visited your site today I believe you have contextualised your campaign on porn and Zimbabweans in an admirable fashion whatever a gentleman like Jaz might say.

Please be certain that in losing a critic you have gained a friend.

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#21 - 09/16/03 09:41 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
mdu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 17
Loc: Cardiff
Marcus

it is not one of my talents to turn critics into friends but everything has a start. meanwhile who gave you that English name Comrade?

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#22 - 09/17/03 09:51 AM Re: Attention: Administrator
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 388
Loc: At large
Mdu
It is indeed unfortunate that you have to use this website to defend what is published on another. Perhaps this could be due to the fact that the other website (yours) does not offer readers an opportunity to expresss their thoughts and views without said thoughts and views first undergoing surgical excission under the knife wielded by the editor. I am aware of your sensitivity to "abuse", I therefore trust that you will not take my small observation as such.

You will forgive me for missing the second part of the story- the one concerning "the general looseness of Zim women who willingly go into the porn industry" The phrase "general looseness" is quite telling as it suggests that there is an element of someone climbing on a high chair and subsequently proceeding to mete out moral judgements on the actions of adult individuals who are not breaking any laws. The same sanctimonius holier than thou perspective also permeates the invitation to name and "shame" the individuals in the photos. I have never been a journalist nor do I aspire to be one, but I have always thought that journalism was about reporting the news and not casting vague moral judgements on the actions of the individuals being reported. Having said that I have no doubt in my mind that you site is and shall remain, as self proclaimed, "The best Zimbabwe news site on the world wide web"

<small>[ 17.09.2003, 11:52: Message edited by: Jazelindizayo ]</small>

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#23 - 09/17/03 10:27 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mdu without wanting to give away too much biographical information this was a name given to me among others by certain elder relatives before I acquired the power of words.

Perhaps I should ask the contributors of Inkundla to select a name for me from the rich store of Nguni onomastic lore.

But I would prefer if possible that any suggestions exclude reference to such things as ngulube, ngquza, nqundu and any other unflattering phenomenon.

In addition I would ask that suggestions come from living people and not via a tshwikilo from any spirit, however exalted that spirit might be or that tshwikilo might consider himself to be.

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#24 - 09/17/03 10:29 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
PS Jaz well said on the last lines of your last post.

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#25 - 09/17/03 03:03 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mpho Ncube Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 32
Loc: Uk
Gentlemen, I have been following your discussion with great interest and feel that I can now contribute.

First of all, Mdu should welcome any discussion about his news site anywhere it takes place. The feedback he will get here and elsewhere might indeed inform future editorial policy, which will accurately reflect the interests of his readers.

Second, issues of taste or decency have always dogged journalism and will continue to do so. How far a publication pushes journalistic boundaries depends, amongst other factors, on the regulatory framework that publication operates in.

These issues came into prominence during the recent Iraq war, when the US objected to the publication of its dead/captured soldiers by Arab newspapers. Should pictures of Africans killing each other in cold blood be published by CNN and others? Should AIDS sufferes in remote African villages be pictured, often without their consent in Western newspapers? Should Mdu have published those pictures and therefore be seen as 'de-basing' his news site? He took the risk. Whether that risk paid off or not, only we can only surmise.

With the recent closure of the Daily News, we surely welcome every new source of 'independent' information. I, therefore, wish Mdu well in his endeavor.

Ngiyabonga.

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#26 - 09/17/03 07:51 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
I cannot add to or take away from that summation of ethical issues Mpho suffice to say that I understand the controversial photographs attracted a record number of hits to the site.

Therefore it seems my views do not correspond with popular sentiment.

This makes me feel quite elderly and out of touch.

I would like to make one more point if we still have Mdu's attention.

As Jazelindayo has mentioned I too believe that if www.newzimbabwe.com had a forum such as this Inkundla ingxoxo room I am certain that readership could only multiply.

At the moment the Daily News site Shumba continues to function while the newspaper is under the paw of the Beast of Harare, but for how much longer?

One appreciates that the Inkundla forum has a specific target constituency who may not necessarily welcome all and any comers and therefore one makes the suggestion that newzimbabwe could indeed attract a wide cross section of users if it offered such a facility.

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