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#47 - 09/22/03 10:05 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
thrower Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 60
Loc: Blessed Land
Mfowethu Marcus at least you give a clear example of someone who in life was refered to as Ngqwele,it is an illigetimate son of Senzangakhona named Tshaka who was raised by a single mother Nandi who was one of the Biggest "Mazakhela" in the history of Zulus,no wonder Tshaka because of his lack of discipline later in life died a painful death cause he had followed selfish,pettycoat advices from his mother to become a chief bully, Maybe he also defended ponorgraphy like yourself, no wonder he killed all those man whom he had asked to dance infront of naked women expected not to erect even at such close contact during the mourning of his mother.As i see you are a great admirer of Tshaka,let me bring this to your attention,he is the only king in zululand whose grave is not respected at all for your own information it is situated in some place where two main roads meet lapha okulezitolo zamandiya ethekwini,just to prove to you that it does not pay to be immoral because you affect your life your children's and even your History.Shame on you all defenders of immorality.Mdu i think start onother topic on Zimbabwean peadophiles I think a lot is hidden in here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

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#48 - 09/22/03 11:20 AM Re: Attention: Administrator
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Thrower,
It is painful to note the extent of propaganda and its effects on gullible minds like Thrower's.
Not only have you fallen to naked disinformation churned by apartheid era historians who went on an offensive trivialising our history as black people but went further to trash our leaders like the Great Tshaka Zulu. For your own information, Tshaka was one of the greatest statesmen to walk this earth. If he was all that "cruel" as you would like to believe, how was he able to buid such a powerful nation as the kingdom of Zululand. How was he able to win loyalty from his armies and conquer the whole of Southern Africa through his nation building initiatives. In South Africa and indeed across Africa he is hailed as one of the greatest nation builders of the 19th Century. In South Africa, over the years there has been a national holiday in his honour known as the King Tshaka Day , it has since been renamed NationaL Heritage Day specifically to honour this larger than life warrior. Films have been made about him. Remember he is only one of a very few select of Africans to be named as the past Century's most influential personalities by Time Magazine, he is ranked far much higher than Nelson Mandela. As for your nonsensical wuffling about children who grow up under the care of a single parent, may I suggest that you urgently seek psychiatric help because that purely reflects the extent to which your schizophrenic desease has deteriorated. Alternatively you must consult a "which-doctor" in case it is already beyond conventional medical remedy.

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#49 - 09/22/03 12:16 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
thrower Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 60
Loc: Blessed Land
Marcus for your own information Tshaka was the illegitimate son of Senzangakhona,brought up by his mother Nandi a Mazakhela who had bad influence on Tshaka's life, no wonder Tshaka died such a painfull life because through his selfishness he made himself a Ngqwele.for your own information iam not like you, my parents have been married for over 4 decades and i am proud of them because i have never heard them defend pornography ever since that makes me an enemy of immorality and bullies like you.have a nice day but don't end up a stripper. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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#50 - 09/22/03 12:28 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
thrower Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 60
Loc: Blessed Land
Lobengula you sound like a man haunted by a spirit of cowards,"runaways",Tshaka was nothing if morality and stable mindness is concerned,no wonder Mzilikazi realised that and distanced himself from the Bully.If only you know History then you will know what i mean.Mandela never slaughterd his own,never abused men and women it is with utter disgust for you to write such rubbish making comparisons of Tshaka to Mandela.You sound like your name's sake who was by no means to be a King of the Ndebele if His Brother Nkulumane was't killed,infact Lobengula if it was today he was the class of Muzenda the late.Make your reseaches properly before untshuma.

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#51 - 09/22/03 12:59 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mfowethu Thrower may I complement the information supplied by Lobengula for your information regarding the son of Senzangakhona by pointing out that today, the 22nd September 2003, will witness the annual commemoration at KwaDukuza.

Each year it is attended by thousands of people who are proud of, and knowledgeable about, their heritage.

Two years ago among the Guests of Honour was the South African Vice President Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma together with Dr Mangosuthu Buthelezi in the presence of iSilo samaZulu King Zwelithini Goodwill kaBhekuzulu.

I was fortunate enough to attend that gathering as an ordinary spectator.

Apart from this day of days the life of the Ngqwele is remembered in history, political science, literature and the consciousness of every Zulu woman or man, irrespective of political affiliation.

An imposing monument commemorates the life and untimely death of one who stands next to any Emperor or Soldier-Statesman in the hierarchy of this world's heroes.

On the 24 September 2003 the South African Government will be releasing a stamp and an official commemorative envelope to honour his memory and to honour the country that was honoured by such a King.

Let us hope we can look forward to the day when our heroes such as the Royal son of Mashobane and his Royal son will be commemorated with equal dignity and decorum.

Thank you mfowethu Thrower for helping me to think once more about greatness, pride and wisdom.

No more need be said.

<small>[ 22.09.2003, 15:14: Message edited by: Marcus ]</small>

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#52 - 09/22/03 01:39 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Thrower,
Based on your reliance on distorted history and "facts" that have been massaged specifically to appeal to unsuspecting individuals like you, it will be correct for a reasonable person to conclude that you are a dull fellow.
Just to demonstrate the low level to which you have stooped, you could fall victim to the following evangelical statement: "blessed are the poor, for the kingdom of heaven is theirs". You could literally rely on this statement and resign from your work and spend valuable time in bed.

Thrower you are being true to the age-old adage that "idiocy feeds on ignorance". Not only do you spend bagfuls of hot air but you also demonstrate your brinkmanship through a massive heap of lies , distorted history and a total disdain for the historical facts. You insulate yourself from both logic and reason. You refuse to take a leap in imagination so that you could realise that this bull-dust which you parade as "facts" about our Kings is in fact rubbish which has been repeated over and over (to steal from Marcus, idon't want to steal from Goebbels) until the Throwers of this world fall victim to this falacy

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#53 - 09/22/03 02:05 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Mntungwa!
Mbulaz'omnyama
Abathi bedl'umuntu,
Bebe bemyenga ngendaba.
Abadl'izimf'ezimbili,
Ikhambi laphuma lilinye.
Lobengula kaMzilikazi,
Mzilikazi kaMashobana
Shobana noGasa kaZikode,
Zikode kaMkhatshwa.
Mabaso owabas'entabeni,
Kwadliwa ilanga lishona
Bantungw'abancwaba!
Zindlovu ezibantu,
Zindlovu ezimacocombela.
Nina bakwaMawela,
Owawel'iZambezi ngezikhali.
Nina bakaNkomo zavul'inqaba

Zavul'inqaba ngezimpondo,
KwelaseNgome.
Nina enal'ukudl'umlenze
KwaBulawayo!
Mantungwa aluhlaza!
Mantungw'amahle!
Bantwana benkosi,
Nina bakwaNtokela!
Ndabezitha!
Maqhaw'amakhulu!

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#54 - 09/22/03 04:16 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Marcus
I have to admit that I have so much respect not only for your intellectual prowess but also for your pride in our culture, our history our ubuntu and our common struggle as Ndebs. Today in you I see a proud Ndebele. You would recall others like Terence Ranger, Giovanni Arrighi who were PF-ZAPU intellectuals. We are proud of you gentlemen. You are part and parcel of the proud Ndebele Nation.
Keep it up.

On the issue of Ingqwele let me clarify a few distortions:
In the rural areas, where cattle herding is a favourite pastime for boys in their teen years,
they organise boxing tournaments among themselves with various boys squaring up against each other until a champion is found. The question is who becomes the champion? It is the boy who beats up everybody else on a toe-to-toe fight until the opponent surenders. Once he wins and no-one is prepared to square up against him, he is then declared an "Ingqwele". What are the benefits of being an ingqwele? This question is equivalent to saying what is the benefit of being a heavy weight champion of the world? The reigning "ngqwele " will reign until somebody challenges him. If he gets knocked out he relinquishes the "ingqwele" title and the new champion reigns. So you see it is a very democratic process which has a beneficiary effect of traing these guys preparing them for manhood. That is why Ndebele guys are known to be generally physically strong and fierce fighters.
"war-like" they say.

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#55 - 09/22/03 05:22 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Ndukuzibomvu Offline
Ngqwele
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Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 176
Loc: KwaGuqangamadolo
Zintandane zeSilo soHlanga, zizukulwane zamaqhawe:


Kade ngacina ukuvakashela khona lapha enkundleni yengqondo; laph'okugaywa khona ubuchopho! Kungasenani, bengithi lami kengigcizelele mayelana lembali yegama "ingqwele". Anginawo amazwi amaningi, ngizophuthuma ngamafishane ngisho engikwazi ngezingqwele zomdabu.

Mina ngokwazi kwami, ingqwele bekuvame ukuba ngumholi wabelusi, uma bechakisa izifuyo khona le emahlathini. Ngeqiniso, bekungumfana obethelisa kwezenqindi. Iningi labafana babeyesaba ingqwele. Kukanti abanye babeyihlonipha.Kusenjalo nje, ingqwele ibifundisa abafana labafanyana izinto eziningi njalo ezehlukene; ezifana nokuthambisa amajongosi, ukukleza inkomo, ukubaza intonga, ukugada inzomba, ukuthapha inyosi, ukugawula imbazwana, kumbe ukugebha ibhotshi kumbe imbongolwane, njalo njalo. Ngamafishane, inqwele bekungumhleli njalo umbalisi/umkhokheli. Abanye abafana babeyesaba ingqwele ikakhulu ngoba ibivame ukubaxega (ukubaqhubeza), ibafundisa ukushaya inqindi uqobo. Njalo ingqwele ibivame ukunqandisa abanye abafana izifuyo!

Mina ngokwami angingeke ngisho cha ukuthi ingqwele bekungumuntu omubi kumbe onocuku. Engikwazi kahle yikuthi kungasingqwele, abanye abafana bebezakhula bengamagwala, bededesa njengensane. Bheka, kwesinye isikhathi, ingqwele ibilakho ukulumisa umfana ngabolonyovu!! Abafana abalengqwele yoqobo bebehlakanipha masinyane.

Ngiyema, zininizenkosi.

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#56 - 09/22/03 05:53 PM Re: Attention: Administrator
Mtshede Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 632
Loc: London
Lobengula for my part I would not only like to offer you my respects for a masterful exposition of the lore relating to izingqwele history but I have certain sincere apologies to make that are directly and indirectly addressed to you too.

In the first place I would like to apologize to our colleague Thrower for the manner in which he insulted me because this resulted in my insulting him.

I should also apologize to our colleague's parents for as the saying goes "Inkunzi ibekwa ematholeni" and as he exposed his thought processes he embarrassed his parents without doubt, and all because I was foolish enough to debate with him.

This leads me to the closely related apology I offer to you for the way in which I introduced the subject of King Shaka because this led to our colleague expressing views which were a disgrace.

You have very lucidly explained why our colleague has suffered horrendous mental degradation through brainwashing under white supremacist historiography and again I am moved to apologize to him and to you for this as I am after all a white person.

When will the mental scars which have induced some people to hate themselves and their culture heal?

I apologize to you for the fact that as a proud man you were then obliged to correct our colleague.

Unfortunately he responded to correction as a skunk does to a thrown stone.

Lastly and not least of all I would like to apologize to you for failing to recognize the type of gentleman you are from the first post you made on this forum.

Mnumzane, I have become an aggressive and suspicious person through engaging too long with Mgaxabeism.

I thought you were too good to be true.

Good news travels swiftly however.

I am delighted to know you are indeed too good not to be true.

I certainly do hope that one day we will meet, here or there - or here and there.

There is no apology I can offer to newzimbabwe.com because as the aforegoing shows, I hold no special brief for Mdu who has mastered the argument as well as authority for developing stories.

His is patently an enterprise that will flourish, whatever I say, and attract widespread attention as it does so.

Uzokhula uzokhokhoba.

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