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#7676 - 08/27/04 09:18 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Mtubatuba
Bhudas

Hhayi, kuhle mfowethu. Kushukuthi uma kuyiqiniso leli, cha uMvuyelwa ukhathele ngamadimoni kaMgakla noTsangarayi wakhe. Kusobala ukuthi he's losing patience with the lack of appreciation of the honest brockerage efforts brought on by his harbingers of peace (Njongonkulu Ndungane, Lekota, Mdladlana) and the honest pronouncements of Dlamini-Zuma that Mgakla and Tsangarayi must put their egos in their backpockets and negotiate.

Mvuyelwa appears fed up at the lack of appreciation of the fuel, ubhokide and electricity that he ships to Mgaklaland everyday without payment. I think the time is nigh for Mgakla nomzala wakhe uTsangarayi to face up to the reality of maturity, flexibility and wisdom that is expected of leadership. Therein lies the bright future for all. This tug-of-war yabo is dragging everyone down (the SADC region included).

Thabo has my support on this score.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
Inkwali yenkosi.
umcondo yegusha.

Inxangiphilile.
KwaMtubatuba.
KwelikaMthaniya.

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#7677 - 08/27/04 09:42 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Potshoza Offline
Nduna

Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 481
Loc: Leamington Spa
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Mauritian leader had already explained the charter, saying that "really free and fair elections mean not only an independent Electoral Commission but also include freedom of assembly and absence of physical harassment by the police or another entity, freedom of the press and access to national radio and television, and external and credible observation of the whole electoral process."</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jonathan Moyo is a culprit who has done his bit in ensuring that free and fair elections do not take place. I would like to urge his supporters to stop their forward charge and look at the whole picture. Not just one aspect of it.

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#7678 - 08/27/04 10:16 PM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Lobengula Offline
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Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho
Cde Potshoza

Kanti bafowethu ngobani bonabo okuthiwa ngama suppoters ka Jonathan Moyo?. Ngibuza nje ngoba umfowethu uBhudaza ubuze mina ukuthi did we lobby with him for our history project.

Ngiyabona abeLungu bahle bakufaka ejogweni uzivelela ekhefini baba. Hatshi kodwa ayikho into esingayenza kufanele sisebenze bafowethu.

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#7679 - 08/27/04 05:08 PM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
sthutha Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 304
Potshoza,

Wena ungomunye wabantu abakwazi mhlophe ukuthi b4 Jonathan in the Zanu gvt Zimbabweans had never had any free or fair elections.Whether Jonathan got the Minister of information job or not I doubt if the situation would have improved.

Yes his POSA and AAIPA worsened an already critical situation however what I am not sure of is whether there were signs that free and fair elections have obtained.I dont see how Jonathan is to blame for the violence perpetrated by the state machinery against the electorate since independence.I also doubt if he had not joined Zanu whether the situation would have improved.

The executive presidential constitution penned by non other than the late drunkard ZIVOBO is a source of all the chaos in Zim.To some of us who lived through the war of liberation and the Gukurahundi era POSA and AAIPA are a joke.

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#7680 - 08/27/04 06:00 PM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Potshoza Offline
Nduna

Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 481
Loc: Leamington Spa
sthutha,

The distinction between past and the present is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future.

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#7681 - 08/29/04 09:10 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 230
Loc: Eguswini
MDC expected to pull out of Zimbabwe polls

Zimbabwe's opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) is expected to announce later on Wednesday that it has "suspended" participation in all future elections at both national and local government level.

The MDC will also withdraw its elected councillors, who control the Harare City Council, with immediate effect.

The announcement will be made under the banner, "the spirit of Mauritius", at a press conference and briefing to diplomats in Harare on Wednesday.

'The MDC will also withdraw its elected councillors'
A working committee met near Pretoria last week and returned with recommendations for the MDC national executive that participation in elections was "a waste of time and resources" until electoral standards adopted at
the Southern African Development Community (SADC) summit in Mauritius last week are in place.

If there is no substantial move to amend or repeal laws to allow for "real" electoral reform in accordance with the SADC protocol, then the MDC will not participate in next year's parliamentary poll either, according to party insiders this week.

The MDC says it will not stop political activity and has already applied for police permission for a series of rallies to explain its decision and celebrate its fifth anniversary.

The working committee, lead by secretary-general Welshman Ncube on his way back from Mauritius, analysed reports arising from MDC president Morgan Tsvangirai's consultations with the party's structures around the country over the past three months.

According to reports from each district, elected party officials recommended that the party "suspend" participation in elections at all levels.

"It's one thing to be beaten up or killed for taking part in elections, but it's another to have the election rigged as well," was the message Tsvangirai reportedly brought back to his national leadership.

The MDC has "reserved the right" to pull out of all municipalities - and its candidates won most urban elections - depending on "circumstances on the ground".

The government arrested then sacked Harare mayor Elias Mudzuri a year after he won with a massive majority in 2002.

Ncube is scheduled to tell Harare City councillors today that if they don't quit they will not be representing the MDC.

The MDC's 38-man national executive is expected to endorse the working committee's recommendations today as many of them have debated among themselves, and in the media, that participation in elections did nothing but give "legitimacy" for President Robert Mugabe's administration.

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#7682 - 08/31/04 02:01 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa
Bafowabo!

Kambe uThabo angaba layo na imuscle to expel SADC members who don't adhere to the democratic principles kumbe uyethusela. He cannot touch Mgax some of you have vowed right here. Why now?
He has not done it for NEPAD where really, for the sake of his international credibility and economically for Africa, it was more desirable for him to take a stronger stance as an African statesman; against non democratic govts or at least those seen to be violating human rights principles.

Secindly, do you see any link at all, between Thabo's hoax statement after the Mauritius summit and the MDC's withdrawal from the Zw 2005 March elections? Ngingajabula kakhulu ukuzwa imibono yenu badala!

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#7683 - 08/31/04 07:14 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Mina ngibona angathi uThabo uzabe elokhu ehemehema nje aze afeze umsebenzi lo asewuqalile owokuhuquluza inotho yeZimbabwe. Ngibona angathi yikho okumenza angathathi nyathela lokuqondisa umgaxa emfolweni. Unless I am missing the point somewhere, kodwa yikho engikubonayo okwamanje.

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#7684 - 08/31/04 08:19 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Dokotela Offline
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1304
Loc: Emkhathini
The death of Tswangirayi at this present moment would not yield good results for Mthwakazians. I say this a i see MDC, as the only force which is able to unroot the Mgaxa's totalitarian regime.

We are all aware that MDC is the only opposition which has managed to assemble several people, since PF Zapu. Tswangirayi is the shield right now and his death would mean that the tshabis who were holding on because of their fellow tshabi (MDC) leader, may withdraw leading to lower number of people to help Mthwakazi in unearthing the dictactorship of mgaxa.

MDC has had support and recognition in the international scenes and contains quite a number of Mthwakazians who by default are expected to address issues related to their own people. What we should be looking at is increasing the number of Mthwakazians in MDC leadership and creating a flawless environment to ensure security, prosperity and cohesion of Mthwakazi people.

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#7685 - 10/11/04 07:14 AM Re: Tswangirayi's Death: Could It be a Blessing in Disguise?
Sibambamahawu Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 803
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
Tsvangirai to hear treason verdict this week print friendly version



author/source:Sunday Times (SA)
published:Sun 10-Oct-2004
posted on this site:Sun 10-Oct-2004

Article Type : News

"Could trigger political events with far-reaching consequences for the MDC and Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe?s opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai will learn his fate on treason charges on Friday. High Court Judge Paddington Garwe and his assessors are due to hand down their verdict on whether Tsvangirai, leader of the Movement for Democratic Change, plotted to assassinate President Robert Mugabe in December 2001. The charges are based on allegations by Mugabe?s Canadian publicist, Ari Ben-Menashe, that Tsvangirai asked for his help to assassinate Mugabe. Tsvangirai claims he was framed. There are fears that if he is convicted the country will plunge into chaos. University of Zimbabwe law lecturer Lovemore Madhuku said that if he was convicted Tsvangirai might not be able to continue as MDC leader. That could trigger political events with far-reaching consequences for the MDC and Zimbabwe. ?If Tsvangirai is convicted, that will not necessarily bar him from contesting for political office except for the time when he is serving his sentence,? Madhuku said. There have been widespread rumours that the ruling Zanu PF wants to see Tsvangirai behind bars to stop him running for president in 2008. Parliamentary elections are to be held next March."

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