vukani madoda vukani

Posted by: science

vukani madoda vukani - 01/08/09 02:29 PM

Surely we all agree and happy being born from such an elite tribe. However, so what? OUR kids are dead, suffering, our dignity is dragged down the stream of all rubbish, honestly, its a huge embarassment to call yourself a zimbabwean nor Mthwakazian if abroad. (unless if you are going to HOME OFFICE for asylum purposess), Lets us talk something worth improving ur purpose let us reason as to beeing anemies of reason.Handouts are fantastic but they only give change to buy 5kg mealies. WE ought to be agressive, we ought to be not seen as soft " yes sir" "(i have never heard that so i will not hinder!!)" come on people im so mad because nothing extremely provocative is done by us lot. I made some comment ealier on yet some are just good at taking my opinion out of context. ENtertain not the ID of your EGO but SUPER EGO. PEOPle are dying home, people are in pain home, yet what we say and do is waste space by typing and doing absolutly nothing if not sleeping.When JEWS during HITLERS empire of evil where killed, they made some organisation which gave hand to the least sufferers yet us we lough and just vomit with nosense words when we hear such facts.There are many educated MThwakazians contributing in other networks mostly owned by tshona people, we have to bring them hear. Im sure the main purpose of this website is not just to hate tshonas, becoz it wont change ur life but boost ur evil lot. YEs i lost my father during evil error, my sister was brutalised in my eyes, my brother was killed others beaten for just beeing a ndebele nothing else, however, as much as i want to see justice done, i wont allow hatred enslave me. My arguement is that lets be serious as to such bafoon chats i see here. 2009 is a year for change if you have problems with that change will change you, bakwethu lets have a purpose rather than just beeing numbers to justify handouts. i wish i can write in my lingo but i cant thats beeing honest.
( this is the just little of my words hard things to come)
GOD BLESS AND BE REAL MY SISTERS AND BRETHREN
Posted by: mg_d

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/12/09 10:55 PM

voetsek
Posted by: tom

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/14/09 12:42 PM

l agree with u my brother.its high time people stopped this hatred of shonas.we can not change wat happened in the past but we can change our future.kuzakunceda ngani ukutshona uzonda amashona instead of ukuthi udinge amasolutions to the way forward.there are a lot of issues affecting us as zimbabweans e.g hunger and those are the issues which we should concrate on hayi umbhedo wokuzonda amashona.
Posted by: Gaselomhle

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/14/09 01:20 PM

No one is in a mission to hate amaTshona, Instead all of us are concerned about the Mthwakazi predicament and are dertemined to resolve it. The effective solution to any problem is to identify it's cause and address it, that way, the symptoms will either fall away or be easy to deal with. Sadly in this case the root cause of our problems is Shona dominance over us, hence the song that we keep singing ethi yona "Masehlukane labo". We do not want to rule them nor subject them to our own values, norms, beliefs, systems and procedures, instead our cry is about our freedom while they retain theirs. In my opinion this is enough evidence that we do not hate them, for if we did we would be talking about revenge or ruling them. The Spirit of UBUNTU drives us and can never be taken away from us. Vele Sinjalo.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that if any person yerns for his/her freedom that's no sign for hatred of their ruler. Insted the later may paint the yernings as such so as to discourage the noble move, and it is sad to find some from the Mthwakazi camp subscribing to such notions.

Ngingalihambeli phambili bafowethu, Mhlawumbe kukhona lani elikumumetheyo. What practical solutions to our problems would you suggest that will not touch the Shona, or at least will express love for them but at the same time effectively resolving the Mthwakazi case?
Posted by: mg_d

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/14/09 05:19 PM

mfowethu evry solution that we might have it has to go through these dogs nomatter what other people think amatshona siyawazonda we will never like them because there is nothing good that they did for uMthwakazi so why should we like opr love them, there are problems in that country which were caused by them and we tried to help them solve those problems through their MDC basidaklaza what else should we do now there is nothing to love them for or to make friends with them for.
the only thing we should do to solve our problems as Mthwakazians not as zimbabweans and we have to go through them.ofuna ukudlelana labo he must go and stay with them.
Posted by: Mthakathi27

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/14/09 07:23 PM

mg-d no my brother we love Shona people, and we do respect them as well, but note here, we are prepared to fight them with what ever we have in order to liberate ourselves. That might mean spilling of blood, but that does not mean that we hate them. We do not want out because of hate, we do not want our freedom because of hate, but because it is our God given right to be free from any kind of oppression.
Posted by: tom

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 02:18 PM

mg-d thina amandebele asidingi ubudlelwano lamashona njalo labo angiboni ukuthi bayabudinga ubudlelwano lamandebele.the most important thing is to develop ourselves sitshiyane lokuzondana lamashona.amashona abhizi ayaziphucula ezikolweni thina amandebele sibhizi sikhala ngokwenzakala kudala.angiboni ukuthi amashona wona alaso isikhathi sokutshona ekhuluma ngamandebele.let us all wake up mandebele.asidingi uncedo lwamashona ukuze size siziphucule.mg-d tshiyana lokuzondana lamashona ngoba ukuzonda abetshabi ngeke kukuphucule.develop yoursef ngoba ngeke uze utshintshe ubuyibo bamashona.
Posted by: MTHWENTWEHLABA1

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 02:47 PM

Tom
Kufanele sitshiyane lokwenzakala kudala? Uqinisile kodwa MFOWETHU KUMBE UYAZIDLALELA? Makuyikudlala ungadlali so. Asithi so, yikuphi okwenzakala kudala ofisa sitshiyane lakho? Khona manje yini enzakalayo laphaya ekhaya esingaziphucula ngayo? Yiziphi izikolo okhuluma ngazo la amashona aziphucula khona? Ekhaya loba emazweni? What assurance could you give us abazukuphinda lokhu ofuna sikhohlwe ngakho okwenzakala kudala.
Uyazi enye into eyenzakala kudala yikuthi wena wasinda kugukulayabo, sithi ngabakuquma ulimi leminwe nga awukwazi ukukhuluma kanje mntwanenkosi. Kumbe wawungakazalwa ngesikhathi lesiya? Imagine ifoetus iyifoetus betshaye befake igamatox phakathi khonale. Awusizweli kodwa isizwe sakwenu noma wena wasinda? Kwenzakala kwadlula? Hawu mnakwethu, uphumaphi ekhaya?
Posted by: Gaselomhle

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 02:50 PM

Well said Tom that we need ukuziphucula e.g. izikolo zethu, but the question is how? Our stubbling block is that the environment in Zim is not enabling. And for that to be turned around we have to divorce from the Shona and their systems which are disenabling us. I know you'll question how exactly the Shona do that:
An exaple: the major source of state revenue which is used to develop a country is tax. everyone in Zim pays tax, including Matabeleland, which however is being used to develop Mashonaland and not izabelo zemandebeleni. And there is no way this can be changed within the current systems because the pple in charge of managing all resources are Shona. The same persons are the ones who devise the biased systems which have seen Mashonaland being developed while Matabeleland continues to deteriorate.
I know certain individuals from outside the country who have tried to make donations to our schools, the Zim systems will question a lot of things and demand unreasonable tarriffs until the donor is left with only 2 options, either to withdraw the donation or let the state confisticate it.
We have seen Shona speaking teachers being deployed to Matabeleland schools (including primary schools), which is an effective way of destroying isizwe sethu, turning around that has not been possible because the person in charge of the whole system of education is Shona and is doing that deliberately, (for if he were genuine and sincere we would have seen our own Ndebele sons and daughters being deployed in Mashonaland.
Same applies in the medical profession: One example that I witnessed, a shona doctor who knows no single word lesindebele was working in a government hospital in Matabeleland, one gogo came ethi ule-nkomo, this doctor went out to inquire what inkomo is from his colleagues and they told him it's a cow. imagine the drama and confusion that was there. In such a situation is it amazing for pple to be given wrong prescriptions? And we question why the health system allows such irreglarities and why are they only prevalent in Matabeleland. Sadly no one has an ear to listen ngoba it is a deliberate move and the system is unconcerned ngama-predicaments ethu.
So when we vy for seccession from the Shona we are vying for an enabling environment where resources from our regions will be used to develop the same and where there are no barriers to well wishers.
What I have cited above are a few examples but in every fratenity sincindezelwe mfowethu and for us to to do our thing our own way while they do theirs, ASEHLUKANENI. All these are current issues which if unchallenged will be pepetrated into the future, They are not PAST events, hence we are not focusing on izinto ezedlulayo when we refer to them.
Posted by: mpumelelo101

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 03:08 PM

we need ukuzi"phucula"??this is typical shona rhetoric, its like saying palestinians should rescue themselves from the zionist israelis!!it is almost impossible to develop mthwakazi, because of the prevailing shona-mentallity of exploiting matebeleland and driving ndebeles out of virtually every sector, from govt to banking to hawking to aboma"sawa"!!
thats why we dont want them, its not like we hate them, we dont want them in our land, we the owners, decide who we want in our land just like any other states.
development in "zim"/mashonaland/harare was never paid for by tax(it cant even pay for civil servants!!)it is paid for by matebeleland resources, finish and klaar!!
to suggest that we "hate" shonas because of historical events(gukurahundi etc) is to neglect that they are more than harassing us now than in the 80s. more people have died/fled after 1987 than during the 1982-87 mugabe holocust!!
Posted by: Mthakathi27

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 03:14 PM

ezandleni bakwethu kumpumelelo. you are maturing quite fast, you are becoming a gem. Well done mpume.
Posted by: omnyama

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/15/09 05:02 PM

Mthakathi27,

http://rhodesian.server101.com/tidal_wave_of_hate.htm

Nanso indaba!!!!

omnyama
Posted by: mg_d

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/16/09 01:05 AM

bhudi wami ma ngabe kuthiwa ukuiphucuka lokho kuyathengwa ngeke ngikuthenge ngokuthi ngithande amatshona okukanye ngikhohlwe la engibuya khona, mfethu amaNdebele ahluphekile kakhulu njalo asahlupheka namanje,lesi yisikhathi okufanele ukuthi sihleli lemuli zethu yonke into imnandi but these dogs basimoshele we are trying to get a way forward ukuthi sibakhiphe empilweni zethu, khonamanje sigcwele umhlaba wonke lo sisabalele kunzima ukuthi sikhulume ngazwi linye sibonisane ngenqubekela phambili yethu because of them.
i`m sorry bhudi i won`t watse my time ngokuzibuyisela emva ngithi ngiyekele ukuzonda amatshona the country is going down the drain because of them and we must like them.
mina mfethu into eyenzakala emaNdebeleni ayisiyo nganekwane kimi isaw it with my own eyes i was affected. inkow that the future is important but hayi ngokuthi ngingawazondi amatshona no, i`ll hate them because labo they don`t like us ngama best enemies ethu siyisizwe sikaMthwakazi, nguyethemba lawe unje nxa uyilo iNdebele you know what happened and uma one of inhlangano (MPC or ZAPU) ingathi nanzi izikhali akuthathwe okungokwethu wena ungaba ngowokuqala ukudobha esakho. ngiyabonga.
Posted by: science

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/16/09 12:03 PM

fair enough, great points raised!!
even MG-D!!!! WOW!!
ITS A FACT, BAD THINGS HAPPEND, TSHONAS DONT TALK ABOUT US MUCH, THE QUETION IS HOW CAN WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE MENTALITY OF CRYING FROM THE PLACE WHERE ROCKECTS LAND? ITHENDELE ELIHLE NGELIKHALA LIGIJIMA, WE OUGHT TO BE SEEN AS BIZNESS PIPO, ABLE PIPO, WILLING TO DIE FOR OUR CHILDREN PIPO, HOW CAN WE , AS A WHOLE MOVE TO THAT DIRECTION? MOST CHARITY TO ZIMBA GOES TO DEVELOP TSHONA SCHOOLS,MOST CLOTHS COLLETED FROM CHARITY GOES TO MATSHONALAND, IF WE USE OUR CAPABILITIES I BLIVE WE CAN DEVELOP OUR REGION,YES ITS NOT GONNA BE EASY BUT FAITH IS THE MOTIVE, JUSTICE IS THE REASON AND LOVE OF MY REGION IS PURE LOVE I EVER HAD. ONCE AGAIN I APLAUD THEE FELLOW BRETHREN
Posted by: science

Re: vukani madoda vukani - 01/16/09 01:31 PM

MOST NDEBELES ARE AGREE ABOUT THE HISTORY ITS WELL KNOWN AND JUSTIFIED, THE QUETION IS WHY CANT WE MOVE FORWARD.