Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele....

Posted by: Skuvethe

Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/05/09 05:14 PM

Back ngo 2002, Mbodlomani Gojwana, writing in the hard-hitting ' Indonsakusa ' publication said this about Ndebele leadership;

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The development of individual leaders is a possible and assailable task. Ndebele national traditions are still in place but need to be vigorously reinforced and coupled with a modernist approach which will take into account globalisation.
Leadership Part 1

Aphinde athi;

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Continuous assessment of the present plight of the Ndebele nation shows that these requirements can only remain an illusion if there is neither discussion nor appropriate steps taken to arrive at them. Abadala bathi ikhethwa ematholeni. This means that a Ndebele leader can only come from the present stock of individuals.
However, the circumstances which account for the fostering of these leaders seem to offer differences whereby propective leaders have emerged and tried to regroup by forming organisations, only for those organisations to disappear into thin air without making a significant impact on behalf of the Ndebele nation.
In conclusion, once the Ndebele nation takes the leadership vacuum issue seriously enough, they will realise that it is them and only them that can make that leader. On the other hand, those prospective individuals who have a potential to lead should be brave, work in tandem with the people and above all seek unity, otherwise sizabe siluqunga oluzama ukukhula egumeni, ebusika.

Leadership Part 2


Bakwethu, liyizwa kanjani lendaba(no naming of names please,unless they are already public figures, to protect individuals)
Ngithe ngikhangela lokhu okutshiwo ngu Mbodlomani, 7 years after he wrote it, ngazibuza imibuzo eminengi ngaloludaba lwezi nkokheli zeSizwe sakithi.
Ngiqale ngokukhangela ukuthi abeTshabi benzani ukuthuthukisa inkokheli zabo ngathola ukuthi kabasabi iminyaka yomuntu. Noma emncane kanjani, iMDC ibathethe abakhaliphileyo abatshabi yabafaka ezikhundleni ezithuthukisa ubukhokheli babo. Bheka oChamisa, Learnmore,Biti nabanye abangene ephalamende njalo baphiwa 'cabinet-level' responsibilities kwi MDC bengaphansi kwe 30 iminyaka yokuzalwa.
Kwesethu isigaba, kangibaboni oChamisa bethu. Ngabe kwenziwa yini lokhu? Kungabe kuyisintu sethu esithi kufanele ubeyikhehla before ukhokhela? Namhla abetshabi bakhangele ukuthi uBiti kumbe uChamisa bakhokhele after uTshwankilani. Thina silabaphi abatsha abazamelana nabo Biti isikhathi singafika? Siyadelela kumbe siya meyisa umuntu kithi nxa emncane kodwa ekhokhela at 'cabinet-level'? Is it possible, for example, for the revived Zapu to have a 38 year old man/woman as Dabengwa's deputy so that they can take over the reins in 2-3 years' time? Would Zapu members 'delela' or doubt i wisdom yomuntu omncane kangako if engabakhokhela?

Kunjalo-nje;

Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Zabalaza!!
Posted by: mpumelelo101

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/05/09 05:32 PM

i don't mind if all our ndebele "leaders" are "old'!we are of different stock, we shouldn't do things the TSHABIAN style. if TSHABIANS have 23 year old parliamentarians thats their ngxaki/nkinga/matata/mrara, we mthwakazians do things our own way.

our nguni blood brothers dont have 30 year old parliamentarians/ senators and so do our sotho/tswana/kalaka cousins!!we do things our own way!!most of all never compare us with the tshabians!!we are different hygiene'nically, linguistically,ancestrally etc!!
Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/06/09 12:18 AM

mfethu kunjani ngiyethemba uphilie ubukhokheli is not about age kudingeka umuntu oyindoda emadodeni umuntu olesithunzi othi nxa ezaphakama kubonakale ukuthi kukhona omileyo ofuna ukukhuluma hayi okuhwayibhetshu ngoba kwafunda kwadlulisa. don`t forget ukuthi the old Zapu had a young guy uSydney Malunga because he had potential of taking over from uMqabuko okungumgodoyi kwambulala leyo Mdc okhuluma ngayo yahlukana because of such reasons zabafana abancane kuthiwa bala seats epalamende its all about dignity .
Posted by: Gaselomhle

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/06/09 06:43 AM

I'll share my own personal opinions:
For one to be nominated as a leader they should have proven that they have the required abilities, charisma & skills despite their age.
Ngokwelihlo lami, koMthwakazi, especially in the political arena the Ndebeles tend to want to take the back stage whether old or young. However if any could prove to have the leadership qualities I don't think anyone would despise them basing on age eg We had Methembe nominated to replace old Dick Chama as Bosso coach, of course there were a few individuals who despised his age but having delivered they were all silenced.
My main worry ngoMthwakazi it's being comfortable in being lead and never aspiring to lead, as a result we've never had it our own way because silandela ngemuva all the time.
Posted by: Jah Dingani

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/06/09 01:50 PM

This an important issue that you raise. The remnants of that kind of thinking (elders should be leaders)in our people is surprisingly still there. If people form a grouping and those 'usual' elders are not there, then that grouping is deemed stillborn or questions will be raised why those elders are not in the driving seat of that particular organisation. Anyone can be a leader as long as they have vision,are strategic in achieving that vision,have the charisma and national appeal to march their people toward a defined revolutionary goal.
Posted by: science

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/07/09 11:38 AM

this is the most intrigueing arguement i have came across here, however, the issue lies in how and where should the elite(leaders of such quality) be meeting?
Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/07/09 10:44 PM

njengabantu esikhuliswe isintu madoda ngicela siyibheke kanje lendaba traditional and political or ngeso lesilungu.
fisrtiy where i come from eKezi just afew kilometres away from Balagwe mountain where most of abantu bakithi ababebulawelwa khona kulomuzi wenduna yakithi uFuyana,the old man himself passed away and his son took over yes uyiyona induna but the responsibilities that comes with being a chief akakhoni he travels a lot to mzansi because he was working there i`m talking about somebody who is not more than forty five and he is still enjoying that life abeyiphila before yokuba ngumjida than being a chief.
a friend of mine is from Filabusi he is supposed to be at home to be a chief but he is not ready responsibilities will fail him, eqinisweni bafowethu ubunkokheli regardless of being political or traditional it needs somebody ozoba responsible for everything.
political lets not go too far we have our own Mpc which i beilive inkoheli zakhona kthey are still counted under iyouth category,where is the Mpc maybe basazama ukuhlela whatever abayizamayo kodwa check iZapu oDabengwa it never took them time ukuthi kwazakale ukuthi iyavuswa thats why i`m saying isibindi,responsibilities i`m not supporting indaba yokuthi kumele kube ngumuntu omdala okufanele akhokhele elder people they have the advantage of making good leaders than young people.
Posted by: Mbezothuli

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/08/09 10:00 AM

Isifikise ngaphi leyo young leadership yabetshabi. Okwenza thina sithande ileadership yabadala yikuthi ukuhlakanipha kubuzwa ebadaleni. Yiwo amavalues eSiNdebeleni lawo. Sikholelwa ukuthi leaders are born not made, bafakwa ngamadlozi esizwe. Esitshabeni you can be a leader nxa ukwazi ukuqila lokubulala abanye. Having said that once in a while a leader arises that is inspired by abadala as seen in people like Josh etc. They were young then. These days we are scattered and how do we develop leadership? through the internet? Also note that uTvangirai was an accidental leader of the MDC because they reckoned abetshabi yimajority. Gibson was the man. If you really look hard behind every successful, stealing, murdering Tshabi(in politics) is a hardwork Ndebele.
Posted by: science

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/08/09 01:34 PM

my arguement based on the two above gentlemen is that thina amandebele singamagwala , sihlezi sihkulima mihla ngemihla kodwa ayikho into eyeziwayo. IN order for anything to be archievable with high success MONEY speaks, i reckon we should fight ofcourse some will fall, however their blood will be a great blessing to the upcoming youth. speaking to e.g newly elected parliament speaker on this website or such, will make a difference, its great if his views can be shared and inturn listens to his roots voices
Posted by: Lonkosi

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/09/09 03:00 AM

mina ngibona sengathi ukuze sibelenkokheli ezizahlonipheka kumele zisukele kutraditional structures not ukuthi amapoliticians asitshele ukuthi nagu ubani lizamvotela nguye ozalikhokhela kumele thina kubeyithi esibatshelayo ukuthi nangu ubani sesimkhethile.
Posted by: science

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/10/09 01:02 PM

mfowethu uyitshaye ekhanda ,,traditional methods dont help much these days but pin us to the ground
Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/10/09 06:46 PM

it pins you down only if ulilema or ungakhuliswanga ngayo lanxa uliswina thina esiNdebeleni tradition will be always number one ungazobheda wena cholera ndini.
Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/10/09 06:49 PM

wena just go to hell i`ve seen ukuthi you nothing laleyo scienc ozibiz ngayo ayikufanelanga uyabheda nje okufana nawo womnke amaswina.
Posted by: science

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/12/09 12:20 PM

I UNDERSTAND YOUR STUPIDITY MG_D, THE FACT THAT THE VOTE CASTED BY A NDEBELE IS BENEFICIARY TO A TSHONA IS DUE TO SUCH IMBECILES LIKE YOU. MAKONI WON IN KWAMTHAKAZI THAN HE CAN TO HIS TSHONA PIPO, MUTAMBARA WON IN KWAMTHWAKAZI YET HE LOST IN HIS HOME TOWN. SURELY THIS CURSE OF YOU SHORT BRAIN IS A DAMAGE TO THE NATIUON OF NDEBELELAND, THE FACT THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENNING WHICH IS TAKEN SERIOUS IN KWAMTHWAKAZI IS BECOS OF SUCH LOW LIFE POINT OF VIEWS HELD BY YOU AND LOT!COME ON EMPTY HEADED!! WE OUGHT TO BE MORE THAN THAT AND STOP THE CURSE OF BEEING LAIDBACK AND ,WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE!! well this is just a few things many to come,,,take care bafoon!!!
Posted by: sidindangandlela

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/12/09 02:10 PM

I think we over doing this now .
Science Lo Mg-d Kahle kahle asazi ngubani ubani ,oyini lenjongo yakhe la kuyini, This exchange of words won't do us any justice.

ngoba uyazi uzangena lapha enkundleni ufuna ukuphosa amagama akha isizwe udibana loScience laye ephonse awakhe .
instead of you now adding lawo mazwi uzasukelani laleyindoda ukhohlwe ngezwi lakho elakhayo.

Mayuyu bafowethu asilweni labasonayo hay abasakhayo.
Mhlawumbe kungenzeka ukuthi uScience ngowaseKhaya. Uzalelwe njalo wakhulela ngaphandle kwelizwe kumbe uzihambele esasemncane,those could be possibilities but it does not mean we should fight each other it's not worth it at all.

Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/12/09 10:45 PM

wena wancela unyoko efile tshabindini.i`ve no time to argue with a stupid person like you,your problem is you don`t really know ukuthi uyini ugxamukela la ongafanelwanga khona can`t you see ukuthi you are too inferior for this site yamaNdebele swinandini.
Posted by: sidindangandlela

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/13/09 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: mg_d
wena wancela unyoko efile tshabindini.i`ve no time to argue with a stupid person like you,your problem is you don`t really know ukuthi uyini ugxamukela la ongafanelwanga khona can`t you see ukuthi you are too inferior for this site yamaNdebele swinandini.


lapha kutshiwo mina kumbe u Science ngoba bhudasi ngeke ngivume kungeniswa umzali wami lapha.Sakha i sizwe lapha ma ufuna ukulwa hlasela those that oppress us not me because sisonke kulomkhankaso bhuthi.
Xola mfowethu,ngiyabona ubhubhudla ugwebu sibili kodwa aluthi lubhubhudla njalo lubhubhudlele abatshabi abazali bona sibapheni indawo yabo enhloniphweni .........

Ngiyabonga mfowethu Mg-D ngithemba uyindoda ehloniphekayo okwaziyo engamangala uma ethola lenhlamba yokumunya kunina ofileyo.
Posted by: mg_d

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/13/09 04:44 PM

mfowethu Sidinda ngiyaxolisa kodwa angiyibhekisang ngakuwe lendaba ibhekane nalesi silima esingazazi ukthi siphumaphi njalo sifunani okwenhlamba ngiyaxolisa mtakababa indaba nje lento yalumuntu iyanginyanyisa salu suxola mntanenkosi.
Posted by: iBoyz yezkweyeni

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/13/09 06:22 PM

Ya, unzima umbuzo wakho ndoda. Instead, sinindana ngodaka, sitshelana ubu mpimpi sisilwa sisodwa yikho kungabonakali abakhokheli abatsha. Kusasa yithi esiyabe siguqa phambi kwabo Chamisa labo Bhiti sebesibusa.

Asiqaliseni khathesi ukubumba lo kwakha abakhokheli abatsha abancane ukuze bafunde ukuphatha amatomu for kusasa. Dabengwa labanye asebele nwele ezimhlophe kabasondeze abancane eduze babafundise indlela.
Posted by: Mthakathi27

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/13/09 09:44 PM

kanti uSidinda vele unjani, yena uhlala ebhekele ukuthi uzothethiswa, yinindaba? Umbhalo kamg_d ucacile ukuthi uqondiswe kubani.
Posted by: science

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/15/09 12:04 PM

is that all you can say you low life creature? surely you need to update you brain to the 21 century, you vomite is extremely too low to make sense. Try again mabhetshu
Posted by: sidindangandlela

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/15/09 12:58 PM

WEna MDALA SO HK HK HK
Ndaba ngilelikanogwatsha bhudazi njalo ngiyesaba ukukantswa ngezwi.

Mina ngimoja tymer.konke nje ku sharp........
Posted by: omnyama

Re: Ubukhokheli kwelamaNdebele.... - 01/15/09 04:59 PM

mg_d, Mthakathi, etc etc,

Mthwakazi omuhle, akelizwe lokhu!

http://rhodesian.server101.com/tidal_wave_of_hate.htm

Lithini ke bantu bakithi ngalokhu?
Vuka Mthwakazi!!!

omnyama