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Posted By: Mabila Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 02/26/05 01:25 PM
Bafowabo labo Dadewethu!

Ngile nkinga lapha and really am scrounging for answers. What should be the extent of involvement of Christians in modern day politics?The arguement I always hear is that politics is a dirty game and Christians should steer away.

Need politics be a dirty game or has the world system given such a noble cause of governance and leadership a bad name?

Does the staying away of persons of cloth from politics not render it even dirtier. Is it not irresponsibility and negligence on their part, to confine themselves to voting and not lead or guide that process.

I know the likes of Cannan Sodindo Banana, Martin Luther King Jnr, Bishop Desmond Tutu, Pius Ncube are or were men of the cloth and did become political; good and bad, depending on your perspective.

Should men and women of the cloth limit their involvement in politics to mediattion, advocacy, advisory & intercessory capacities only or should they get deeper into the helm of politics and lead??

WE all admire leaders with virtuous principles of the stature of Nelson Mandela who proclaims that he is a Christian indeed in many ways than one?? Should persons of cloth continue to shout from outside the ring as this article here points?
AMEN!!!


Local News Friday, 25 February 2005
News Analysis Eric Bloch Column Muckraker Comment



Men of cloth shout out from ringside
Ray Matikinye

ZIMBABWE?S political setting since the highly disputed 2000 general election has witnessed conflicting rejoinders by the clergy to the manifest deficit in civic rights and human rights abuses that can be likened to the biblical crucifixion where on both sides of the cross hung two distinct characters.

Both were notorious highwaymen but one received last-minute salvation for his honesty while the other missed a glorious opportunity to enter heaven by remaining an unbeliever in fair play.


Since the religious troika of Sebastian Bakare, Trevor Manhanga and Bishop Patrick Mutume attempted to promote dialogue between Zanu PF and the opposition MDC over the untenable political situation in the country after the disputed polls, two religious standpoints on the country?s destiny have emerged.


The groups are typified by diametrical religious postulations.


On the one hand is Reverend Obediah Msindo, the suave, energetic orator and youthful leader of Destiny for Africa Network championing President Robert Mugabe?s continued rule as part of the predestined fate of Zimbabweans alongside the likes of Anglican archbishop of Harare, Nolbert Kunonga.


Some view Msindo as a government apologist for his routine deification of Mugabe.


?We have no apologies to make in identifying ourselves with Zanu PF because we closely work with the Zanu PF government, preach about total restoration and full control of our resources including land,? says Msindo, who regards his quasi-religious organisation as Afro-centric.


Msindo says Mugabe was God-ordained and merits respect from the world?s downtrodden for his pan-African socialist demagoguery.


On the other is the Catholic bishop of Bulawayo diocese, Pius Ncube, an arch-critic of government excesses and soiled human rights record whom Mugabe has consistently vilified as a ?wolf in sheep skin?.


The Catholic bishop has nettled Mugabe for years with forthright condemnation of his rule.


When the state media unleashed a barrage of criticism after he was chosen to co-lead two aid funds with Desmond Tutu, Ncube retorted: ?Why should they attack me and skirt real issues affecting the country? We need good governance and we do not want to be abused by a dictator.?


Ncube, who is among a long list of prominent Zimbabweans including journalists that have been tagged traitors by a recent ruling party publication, together with other clergymen seeks to rein in on the government?s waywardness.


Msindo and Ncube represent diametrical standpoints regarding the political situation that has been obtaining in Zimbabwe.


?We are yet to enjoy the gains of liberation,? says Bishop Mutume, bemoaning how the country had fallen from being a beacon of hope at independence in 1980 to a cowed nation without the freedom, justice or peace that thousands of Zimbabweans died fighting for during the country?s bitter independence war of the 1970s. He says Zimbabweans everywhere are living in fear because they are threatened and intimidated by the ruling party?s hired men.


Mutume told a recent national prayer meeting in Harare: ?Why do we allow those we give power to use that power to suppress us? We thought by finishing the struggle for independence we would get peace. But why are we still praying for peace and justice??


Msindo countermands like-minded critics saying some pastors are agents of evil who have joined hands with the opposition in criticising the government.

?Trevor Manhanga, Pius Ncube and Sebastian Bakare are always one-sided in accusing Zanu PF of being violent and never condemning the behaviour of other parties. Such pastors who claim to be apolitical are deceptive,? Msindo says.


Church organisations have witnessed an upsurge in membership as people seek solace in spiritual gatherings largely because of economic hardships and the stress associated with modern day uncertainties thus becoming a significant constituency.


But more importantly, public scepticism has built up around Destiny for Africa Network?s seemingly unexplained benevolence. The organisation has pioneered multi-million-dollar urban housing projects where in Harare alone 2 000 residential stands have been opened up along Seke Road outside the capital.


The urban housing project envisages providing 1 000 more residential stands. Other largesse programmes include oil-extracting machines, peanut butter-making machines and even pairs of shoes and cycles to other clerics, during ceremonies often accompanied by toadying to the government.

?We borrow funds from the Youth Development, Gender and Employment Creation ministry, the central bank as well as well-wishers and members of the public who peg what interest they want for the money they lend to prospective homeowners,? says Catherine Rusike, events manager for Destiny for Africa Network.


She says her organisation then applies to local authorities for residential stands for its members? benefit. ?The organisation only facilitates the transfer of money from providers to beneficiaries and the other way round,? she says.

Msindo says it is wrong for religious organisations to condition Christians to poverty saying this is the reason his organisation is fighting for economic empowerment.


Chairman of the Media and Information Commission, Tafataona Mahoso, likens bishops Ncube and Tutu to reactionary clerics of the 1970s, accusing them of working for Anglo-Saxon imperialism.


?Today?s bishops Desmond Tutu and Pius Ncube are big liars because they have to couch their venom against Africans in sweet human rights language,? he says.


He says the two clerics have to adjust and put on sheep?s clothes to promote Anglo-Saxon hege-mony.


?Their language has been adjusted to human rights, democracy, free flow of information, humanitarian relief, rule of law and dialogue,? Mahoso asserts.


The situation leaves the Christian public in a dilemma. Either they remain poor and enjoy civic and other rights or choose material empowerment at the cost of allowing a sustained abridgement of their human rights.
Posted By: Dokotela Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 03/02/05 11:20 PM
Christian principles should be instilled in the operations of politically related issues. This would ensure fairness justice and equity.

I would like to think that politics during the times of Solomon, David and other Kings in the Bible had a plethora of wisdom directly from God.
Posted By: Sibambamahawu Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 03/03/05 01:05 PM
Ngile nkinga lapha and really am scrounging for answers. What should be the extent of involvement of Christians in modern day politics?The arguement I always hear is that politics is a dirty game and Christians should steer away. by Mabila

UJesu weza emhlabeni ukuzosindisa izoni hhayi abalungileyo, ngiyethemba ukuthi nokuba ngabazalwane yikuqaphela ukuthi impilo zethu azilunganga zigwcele ukona lokuganga okungena mkhawulo, manje uma singamakholwa sibuye sithi ipolitiki ingcolile akufanele thina neze ukuzibandakanya sichaza ukuthini ngoba nathi njengamakholwa siyavuma ukuthi singcolile, njalo nezwi likaMvelingqangi liyasho lithi asisindiswa ngemisebenzi yethu nangokulunga kwethu kodwa ngomusa, yikho asikhohlweni ngokuthi singamakholwa uma kuza kwezombusazwe, ipolitiki ayikhethi mkholwa nomhedeni kodwa ibusa konke, yikho kubalulekile ukuthi yinoma ngubani azibandakanye kwezombusazwe akekho namunye okummele asetshenzelwe wumntwana weyinye indoda. Sebenza mzalwane, xhasa ekukhululweni kukaMthwakazi kumaketango eminyakanyaka.
Posted By: Mtshede Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 04/23/05 03:09 PM
I believe everyone has a democratic right to comment on issues which affect all citizens.

I believe religious leaders have a duty to comment on issues which affect all citizens.

As such Manhanga Bakare and Archbishop Ncube are doing their duty well.

If the Rev Msindo wishes to make a noise he should also free to do so especially since he is funded to do so and as he seems to believe man cannot live by the Word of God alone.

I would like to know why as a Christian he criticizes other Christian leaders in such a scandalous and insulting way?
Posted By: Zwangendaba Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/05/05 03:19 AM
Bafowethu.

Whilst speaking of Christians and their involvement in politics, it would be folly to think they have not been from the word go. Some have been good, and others have been evil.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, in my opinion about any religious person, be they Christian or not, because it is religious leaders who install these leaders, be they good or evil.

Religion is such a complex issue. At times what we say our religious leaders are, is just what we wish them to be. They are in reality just puppets controlled by the WILL of the Great uNkulu-Nkulu.

Religion is a part of the political maze of any society, and so it is prudent that religious leaders be FULLY involved in the politics of their society.

Ngumbono bafowethu.

Li Zwangendaba.
Posted By: Hatshibo Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/08/05 03:53 PM
Religion is the basis of a lot of governmental/national constitutions, be it Islam or Christianity. the American dollar, as those of you who have handle it daily will know, has on it, IN GOD WE TRUST. The American constitution draws a lot from the Bible and Biblical principles.
Is America not one of the most, if not the most powerful nation on earth at present?
Posted By: Msupatsila Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/08/05 04:01 PM
I think christians are affected by political decisions the same way as the non-belivers, ngakhoke I think they should participate kupolitics fully. iBhayibhili elingwele liyatsho ukuthi inkokheli ikhethwe yinkosi.

Mina okungimangazayo yikuthi uma befungisa bantu, ema court, emapalamende, lema state house babanjiswa ibhayibhili kodwa uma the man of the cloth sebekhuluma kuthiwa they should confine themselves to the pulpit. I think man of the cloth should point out all the evil in a system.

I'm out

Pope John Msupa
Posted By: Hatshibo Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/08/05 04:24 PM
Pope John Msupa
Posted By: Hatshibo Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/08/05 04:28 PM
Pope John Msupa

Sorry, kungiphunyukile lokhu.
Limqptho lelo Mnumzana. IBayibhili selafakwa ngaphansi kwekhwapha for too long kuthiwa ngelokholo LwabeLungu. Most of us fail to embrace the truths in it that can change governments in the name of 'human wisdom'. Leyo iwisdom siyithethephi?
Posted By: ILembe Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/09/05 03:05 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TO TRIFLE WITH LIGHT IS APOSTACY,TO DENY THE TRUTH IS HYPOCRISY,BUT TO REMAIN SILENT DURING A RELIGIOUS CRISIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO HIGHEST TREASON AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OF GOD </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are a religious leader consider the above statement, may God bless Pius Ncube for his quest for justice. taking care of the poor, widows and the fatherless is true christianity.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">THE GREATEST WANT OF THE WORLD IS THE WANT OF MEN-MEN WHO WILL NOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD, MEN WHO IN THEIR INMOST SOULS ARE TRUE AND HONEST, MEN WHO DO NOT FEAR TO CALL SIN BY ITS RIGHT NAME, MEN WHOSE CONSCIENCE IS AS TRUE TO DUTY AS THE NEEDLE TO THE POLE, MEN WHO WILL STAND FOR THE RIGHT THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Posted By: Mtshede Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/10/05 11:21 PM
In 1999 uNcube and other seniors from Mthwakazi said the Filth Brigade was going to reappear.

It did not reappear.

In 2000 and successive years uNcube and other abadala said Mgabe was ready to cause mass starvation in Mthwakazi.

Some - too many - died and some - too many -suffered.

But there was no mass starvation.

Bandla ngicela ukubuza: were uNcube and those others who tell the truth here there and everywhere right or wrong?

If they had kept quiet in 1999 I think the Filth Brigade would have crept back into place like night hyenas feasting by night on the night faeces of their mother and father the hermaphroditic witch Gungusho.

If they had kept quiet about State sponsored indlala since then I think we would have seen the dry bones of the poor and the needy littering the dry soil of Mthwakazi.

Bandla the likes of uNcube have shouted prophetically in order to alert the world - and they alerted the world - and scare away witches - and they were scared - and frighten hyenas - and they were frightened - so that we may be delivered from evil.
Posted By: emnyama Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/20/05 06:06 PM
It doesnt defeat the purpose for religious leaders to voice their displeasure in political decisions.Definately politics is dirty,that we cant ignore,but Christianity has a place to condemn the evil in it.The problem arises when so called bishops or whatever begin to dine with the witches.We have this Rev Msindo,he clearly alines himself to Zanu.How then does he justify his calling by The Christ vs the deeds of Zanu?.But where was religion when Gukurahundi was carried out,where is religion when Zimbabweans suffer?.With respect to any Catholic fellows,doesnt our President profess to be a full Catholic?.You draw your conclusions on that case.If the religious leaders are in Christ let them rise & root out evil in Zim without fear of an mortal man.
Posted By: Msupatsila Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/20/05 07:49 PM
Alleluja Bandla elicolekileyo, kumele lisinike thina isikhathi sokuthi lathi sitsho esikubonayo.

Ngiyamangala ukuthi ma thina sikhuluma abePolitiki basuka bethuke kakhulu, kakulitshenisi ukuthi senelisa ukwenza abantu/ inkokheli zenu zicabange zingakenzi lutho?

Ma mina loNcube sikhuluma, uMgabe uyethuka, awuzwa sonke isikhathi uyazama ngamandla ukuthi esenze sikhanye singabantu abanamanga kakhulu. Uyabona wena lawe, umahluko phakathi kwepolitiki lendlala, lalokhu esikumeleyo kawukhanyi mhlawumbe ngingathi kawukho.

Ibhayibhili lami Elingcwele lithi inkokheli esilazo zikhethwe ngunkulunkulu, pho ke ma zikhethwe ngunkulunkulu thina kuyithi esiphethe amacawe lithi sikwenze njani? Mina ngibona kusengathi vele kumele ngani thina yiti esikhuluma kakhulu. Uyabona uPope unamandla amakhulu naye, engakhuluma inkokheli ezihlonitshwayo emhlabeni ziyakhothama zilalele, lapha kasikhulumi ngabantwana baka Lucifer hatshi, okunye phela yizilingo bakwethu.

Okokucina ngingakaqedi ngifisa ukubuza amakholwa esinawo ukuthi inkokheli zethu, bangaki asebake bazinika ithuba lokuthi bezikhulekele. Ngibona engathi yikho lapho esiphambanisa khona. Kasilungisenini khonapho into ziyahamba kuhle

Ngiyabonga
I Vatican layo ibongille

Umusa wenkosi mawube kini ngagama lika Jesu Krestu Amen
Posted By: Sibambamahawu Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/20/05 10:17 PM
Msupa
"Okokucina ngingakaqedi ngifisa ukubuza amakholwa esinawo ukuthi inkokheli zethu, bangaki asebake bazinika ithuba lokuthi bezikhulekele" by Msupatsila

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Mina mzalwane ngihlala ngisedolweni ngithandazela ukuthi ubaba angathi angasizwela athathe umphefumulo wakhe odlaliswayo nguLobathi.
Posted By: ILembe Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/21/05 02:38 AM
Pope

uMgabe wakhethwa ngamashona. iNkosi angiboni ukuthi iselendaba leAfrica inganisa izulu selithonisa izikwelede ngombane. kuyini okwenzakala eSudan amongst fellow African iCongo yonke kuvikwa inhlamvu. uNkulunkulu enzeni. He gave us the biggest landmass good rains in most parts arable lands rivers for irrigation above all the strongest body on the planet ,which the wise Americans sent to the cane fields. abantu abansundu have the most amazing physiology their bodies can adapt to any environment and very hunger resistant, extraordinarily intelligent brain.mangaki amakhiwa ongawafundisa ichemestry ngesiNdebele ephume ngitsho lo F but siyenelisa. we have been taught to lament over historical calamities like slavery and colonisation and stop there. and finally resort to tribal wars and corruption. uNkulunkulu kaphi ezandleni madoda our leaders have failed us they are the richest buch of thieves.the only thing is to find willing young Africans and creat a new man who knows his history and sees no tribal barriers a man who is willing to forge a bright future not for himself but for his posterity, we are an acursed generation.asazi. <img border="0" alt="bigcry" title="" src="graemlins/bigcry.gif" />
Posted By: emnyama Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/21/05 03:20 PM
The only solution is if ever we are to get a born again leader,otherwise sidlala amadlwane.Usathane ubahleli emhlane abakhokheli bomhlaba igazi labantu liyakhala emhlabathini.Whether America or Britain,its all the devil at work.Anyway isikhathi sakhe umdali sesifikile.As revelations says let him who'is filthy be filthy still.Ndebeles have suffered enough,but to me religion is passive.The world can never be saved again.
Posted By: Mabila Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/21/05 03:58 PM
That is how the recent Orange Revolution in Ukraine was inspired Emnyama! We had two of the leaders in church here a fortnight ago telling how they done it. The leader of the organisation efana le CIO in that country utshumayela eBaptist Church on Sundays and the Prime Minister is a confessed born again! Fundani indaba ka Moses ku Exodus if you really need to refresh on this issue. Politics should be all about justice and that is what Christianity espouses mostly too. Politics need not be a dirty game. Abantu abangamagovu have made it dirty and given it a bad name. Jesus was a politician and a great leader at that!
Posted By: Msupatsila Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/21/05 10:22 PM
Amen bazalwane bami kuyezwakala elikutshoyo. Sengathi lingahamba lizitshela izizwe zonke ngobuhle esibenzelwa yinkosi yethu uJesu Kristu.

Kwesinye isikhathi kumele libonge konke okwenzakalayo. Be greatful that things are happenning the way they are happenning, you never know what the Lord, through our saviour Jesus Christ is preparing us for. We must take this as a lesson. Our great great grand children will see where we made mistakes and it will help them.

I always say that if ungabona izinto zingahambi, mzalwane you have to know that its not yet the time for you to do the failed thing.
Posted By: Msupatsila Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/21/05 10:30 PM
Ecclesiastes 3:1-15
A Time for Everything

There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heavenC
2 A time to give birth, and a time to die; A time to plant, and a time to uproot what is planted.
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; A time to tear down, and a time to build up.
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
5 A time to throw stones, and a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, and a time to shun embracing.
6 A time to search, and a time to give up as lost; A time to keep, and a time to throw away.
7 A time to tear apart, and a time to sew together; A time to be silent, and a time to speak.
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; A time for war, and a time for peace.
9 What profit is there to the worker from that in which he toils? 10 I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.12 I know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime; 13 moreover, that every man who eats and drinks sees good in all his labor, it is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him. 15 That which is has been already, and that which will be has already been, for God seeks what has passed by.

V. 1 - "There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven"

God appoints the times and Seasons
These words are words for every person, in every place, in every circumstance. God has appointed the times and seasons, the events of our lives, the happy and the sad, the easy and the difficult.
On one hand this can bring worry, but on the other hand, it should bring you hope because we know that God is in control.
God exalts and humbles the same person. He raises nations up and brings them down.
Even the day of our death has been set.
God is in control.
Sometimes you may wonder about that. I mean, it is easy to doubt that God has it all together when you look at the world. It doesn't seem to be doing all that well:
Crime is up, abortion is up, homosexuality is on the rise, the nation is in debt, etc. It can be pretty discouraging.
But, God has got it all under control.
God has a purpose in what He does even if we have a heard time understanding what that purpose is.
Romans 8:28, "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose"
We live in a world of Change
The evidence of change is all around us:
Spring becomes Summer. Summer becomes Fall. Fall becomes Winter. Winter becomes Spring. The young become aged and the new becomes old.
My computer runs slower and my body gets weaker.....
And the times change.
The millennium is here. Wellspring is closing.
Change: You will be wondering about where to go to church next year.
But don't worry. God is in control.
Did you know that change is good.
Change helps you not become grace-potato Christians.
Change helps you learn to adapt to new situations and to grow inside.
Christians go through some of the greatest changes.
First we are blind, dead sinners. Then we are made alive.
Then we discover more of our sinfulness and God continues to change our hearts.
God wants to make our hearts more like his.
Change can be quite good.
Change stretches you.
It challenges you by causing you to grow through the trials and tribulations of life.
Change keeps you from getting bored.
Boring job cutting foam rubber.
Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? 5 years ago? 1 year ago?
Even though there are things that are contradictory, each has its place.
However, God Does not Change
Imaging what it would be like if God changed on us.
What if one day he were nice and another day he was mean.
Or what if he altered between merciful and judgmental, or one day he decided to answer occurs in the next he did not.
I thank God that he is unchangeable.
That means you can count on Him to always be there and to do the right thing.
He wont' change His mind about you.
V. 11. God has set everything for its time so enjoy yourself.
(vv.12-13, AI know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime; 13 moreover, that every man who eats and drinks sees good in all his labor, it is the gift of God.)
You should make the best of each event and of each season of change.
You should enjoy your life. It's okay to have fun as a Christian.
Enjoy your children if you have them. Enjoy your car, your home, your health, and enjoy the fact that we have had a good church here that has done well and worshiped God.
Enjoy going fishing, shopping at the mall, washing dishes, coming to church, etc.
God has made every thing beautiful in his time.
Even the painful things are set in place by God
Everything has its purpose, even the cold winter storms that bring rain.
You must wait with patience for the full revelation of God's mysterious providence.
All you can see is the middle of God's work, not its end. He know the beginning from the end and He has you where He wants you.
But also, set aside place in your heart where you trust God to provide all of your needs because he loves you so much.
So, I will leave you with v. top 10 things you won't have to worry about in the coming years.
The Bible will still have the answers.
Prayer will still work.
The Holy Spirit will still move.
God will still inhabit praise.
There will still be anointed preaching.
There will still be the singing of praise.
God will still pour out blessings on His people.
There will be room at the cross for His children.
Jesus loves you.
And the number one thing you won't have to worry about
Jesus still saves.


Amen bazalwane bami inkosi ngegama likaJesu Kristu sengathi ingalibona


CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY
Posted By: Hatshibo Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/22/05 08:50 AM
Pope

Hawu, kanti ingani utshumayela kamnandi kanje? Ingani uJehova engakugcoba imihla yonke. Wonderful preaching!
Posted By: Mtshede Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/24/05 07:45 PM
Bakwethu anyone who saw the indomitable Archbishop Pius Ncube on Channel 4 news this evening will know that God has His prophet in the land of Cain and now more than ever we need that prophet to speak.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bishop compares Mugabe to Pol Pot


Published: 24 Jun 2005
By: Jon Snow

Archbiship Pius Ncube of Bulawayo has long established himself as a man ready to speak out against President Mugabe and in an exclusive interview with Channel 4 News he issues his strongest warning yet.

As President Mugabe's bulldozers demolish peoples lives, Africa and Europe are at loggerheads as to how to prevent a predicted humanitarian crisis.


Mugabe's crackdown on the shanty towns has made many children homeless. Disease is threatening to kill many more.

A country already in the depths of struggle is lurching further into the gloom and so are the prospects of outside intervention

But as Zimbabwe continues to burn the response from African leaders has been either one of silence or in South Africa's case rejection to the clarion call

In a statement the government said: "South Africa refuses to accept the notion that because suddenly we're going to a G8 summit, we must be reminded that we must look good and appease the G8 leaders. We will do things because we believe they are correct and right."

The United Nations has dispatched an envoy to look at the humanitarian situation following estimates that as many as 300,000 people have been made homeless in Robert Mugabe's Operation Drive Out Trash.

Once again the world appears impotent in the face of what some describe as crimes against humanity but what Zimbabwes President justifies as crime prevention

Archbishop of Bulawayo, Pius Ncube who is on a visit to the Vatican told Channel 4 News in an excl;usive interview: "I saw that these men sent by Mugabe were stealing property, clothing, footwear, cosmetics which they obtained from south Africa, and they stole all this and went to auction this.

"I saw them even steal decoders for TVs and radios, turn over vendor stalls and often destroy them. I saw all this with my own eyes."

When asked who the targets were he answered: "The targets are by and large urban dwellers, it seems there is peasantrification drive here, they are taking revenge for voting for the MDC [opposition party] who won the elections in the towns.

"These people are being forced to go to the country but there is a drought in the country, Zimbabwe only produced a quarter of the food it produced five years ago."

So people are trying to find jobs in a place where there is 80 per cent unemployment and 500 per cent inflation.

He went on to say his comparison of Mugabe to Pol Pot was justified.


"It's not extreme, here is a man pushing people out without any warning. There is something like 1.5 million people without shelter, as churches we have to get together to give emergency aid, food and blankets.

"We are sheltering them in church halls, they have no clothes or food, this is extremely cruel.

"And much like under Pol Pot this will lead to many people starving to death because Mugabe didn't call for aid. These people are forced to go the country where there is no food."

On South Africas reluctance to get involved, he said: "Prime Minister Mbeki has lost all reputation in Zimbabwe for supporting a dictator that is killing his own people."

Finally in an impassioned plea to the international community, he said: "We saw what happened in Rwanda, the UN stood around, the African countries did nothing and a million people perished. It's like we want another Rwanda to take place because of a madman who is just after power. Why can't we help this situation?" </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Posted By: Maqhamehlezi Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/24/05 08:06 PM
I saw Ch 4 news Mtshede,it was an emotional and powerful attack to the Mgabe regime,African leaders silence especially SA. uBab'umfundisi said "I am so very angry about whats happening and is willing to stand in front of the GUN and be shot".Thats how the man of God is prepared to take it.
Posted By: Mtshede Re: Ubukholwa Lo Bufundisi le Politiki - 06/25/05 09:59 AM
M we had the opportunity to contrast the bravery of Ncube with the likes of the charge d'affaires:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Godfrey Magwenzi, the charge d'affairs and deputy head of the Zimbabwean Consulate in London, told Channel 4 News that nobody in Zimbabwe took Archbishop Ncube seriously.

"The sewage and filth that spills out of that man's mouth should shame and embarrass all men of the cloth," he said. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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