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#13066 - 10/21/05 12:01 AM Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Registered: 09/16/03
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Loc: Tsholotsho
In the early 2000s when I advised Gono through the pages of NewZimbabwe.com to introduce the Homelink Scheme, he did but messed up the process by bowing to political pressure. Since then, I have consistently argued that Gono must introduce a dual currency in Zimbabwe in order to remedy the financial crisis. It seems he takes my ideas without even acknowledging.
As late as a few weeks ago this is what I wrote under the topic "Gono must Go" in the NewZimbabwe.com forum:
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Reserve Bank governor "Dr" Gideon Gono must resign with immediate effect and a new fresh Zimbabwean called upon to take the reigns at the central bank. Gono came to the scene with much zeal, dramatic fanfare, facade, pomp and ceremony promising to be a modern day financial god of Greenspanian calibre.

The current unprecedented levels to which the Z$ has sunk must convince him to heed my calls for him to resign and admit failure. He has failed dismally and miserably. Never before, not even during the height of the liberation war, has the nation experienced such a dramatic level of the quad-evils of hyperinflation, unemployment, stagnation and unsustainable exchange rate. This should convince him to resign now and allow other Zimbabweans to come to his rescue. They are so many prominent Zimbabwean bankers currently doing excellent work with global investment banks like Citibank, Merril Lynch, Barclays Bank, World Bank, Deutsche Bank , Commerzbank and many more.

Gono must just go together with his coterie. They have failed to inspire and institute proper monetary policies. They continuously resort to the printing press, printing huge sums of Zim$ and pumping them into the money and capital markets. That is a self-defeatist approach in monetary terms. You can not stop the outflow of blood via a wound by pumping more blood into an individual's body. You need to seal or mend the point of exit or the wound itself.

Gono or who ever takes over must remember that the current runaway galloping hyperinflation in Zimbabwe is a result of excessive money supply. Inflation and/or hyperinflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon caused by excessive money supply. In Zimbabwe, the money supply has reached unpresedented levels.

One must remembrer that sanctions are not a new thing. South Africa was under sanctions for decades. Rhodesia was under sanctions for decades. But in all cases their currencies were at respectable and very competitive.

The new monetary authorities need to adopt dual currency regimes as was the case in South Africa. They can create a Commercial Zim$ and a new currency: Financial Zim$ as a second currency.

Financial Zim$ to be used for forex transactions, therefore, it would not affect domestic consumers and domestic business.
Commercial Rand to be used for dommestic transactions only hence it could protect local companies and residents against the ravages of a rampant and savage financial implosion of the exchange rates. But Gono is not the right candidate to do this job. We need new blood with fresh ideas

Iam sick and tired of having this fool stealing my ideas. He must learn to acknowledge or thank those behind the ideas. The problem with Gono is that he is going to introduce this new currency using a wrong method precisely because he does not have the wherewithal or knowhow on such issues. He must engage experts instead of dangerously subjecting the nation to the vagaries of uncertainties.

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#13067 - 10/21/05 06:16 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Potshoza Offline
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Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 480
Loc: Leamington Spa
A dangerous and self-contradictory line of reasoning I would have thought! Again not so surprising coming from you Lobengula.

Please disassociate yourself rapidly from Gono's ideas because whilst you try to aggrandise yourself, you also criticise him. You do remember that people are struggling and prices are spiralling out of control. Annual inflation is running close to 360%.

Surely if you that you are an advisor to Gono by proxy, then you associate yourself with the meltdown in ****aland!?

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#13068 - 10/21/05 10:09 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Loc: Tsholotsho
Potshoza

Long time no see nor hear baba Potshoza, how is Leamington Spa? I have a friend who stays there, his name is Prince Philip, if you see him please pass my royal greetings to him. Tell him that I need him to apgrade my title to that of a Duke as well.

Potshoza, one thing needs to be highlighted to you. Gono's problem is a simple one, but as a true green-intenstined Tshabi he would not heed simple advice. To correct or cure the current hyperinflationery episode that is savaging the country, Gono must STOP PRINTING MONEY. Even IMF economists at the IMF Institute are unanimous that Gono must STOP PRINTING EXCESS MONEY.

Having said that, Gono has a very bad habit of taking advice by proxy as you rightly point out and then implement it awkwardly or almost in diametric contradiction to the letter and spirit of the said advice. Right now he is most likely going to introduce this dual currency system as I have argued that he should, BUT, if he ipso facto continues with his old habit of PRINTING EXCESS supplies of this new money, again it will be a case of bad implementation. The new currency will also take a dramatic twist depreciating cataclysimically under pressure from currency speculators. The only thing which Gono must do , which he really must is to STOP PRINTING EXCESS supplies of this money. Again one must remember that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, produced by excess money supply from the monetary authorities. Hyperinflation is just runaway spiral inflation, ie, inflation that has gone amok or beserk or out of control. Thereafter with expectations of even more inflation in the future, the cycle becomes self-fulfilling.

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#13069 - 10/22/05 10:47 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
ng'xoshiwe Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 52
Loc: Ezinangeni
What role does the 'state' itself have to play in order to extricate us from this demise? Surely, it cannot be left to one individual to deal with, especially considering that more than one individual is responsible for the said demise. I would move that not only Gideon but the rest of his tribe that is in state office should take a hike. I stand corrected.

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#13070 - 10/22/05 02:02 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Yes, indeed the state must STOP interfering with the financial system. The role of the state has been very disastrous insofaras the economy is concerned, so less gvt , less gvt. Let business people do business. After all the saying goes that: the business of business is business.

The state simply distorts markets and leads to structural problems in the system.

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#13071 - 10/22/05 03:17 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
ng'xoshiwe Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 52
Loc: Ezinangeni
Bengikhangelela ekwandiseni imisebenzi for uquqaba, yini engenziwa kumbe engekelwa ukwenziwa nguhulumeni ukuthuthukisa usuzi olungaka? Ngiyangibone amanye amazwe anjengaboBhilithane beqala amaphilojekithi andisa imisebenzi, kodwa kwelakithi ngibona lezondlela zidilika zitshabalala, izibonelo yimigwaqo, oya eNkayi, loFayithingi kunye lowakoNgqoya ngasebusili ngaseTsholotsho. Yini sibisbili edingakalayo ukulungisisa lapha?

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#13072 - 10/22/05 07:40 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Let the private sector do all these things. The gvt can do it but at what cost? The gvt simply prints money and hires people to construct the road. That is essentially what has killed the country. PRINTING MONEY, PRINTING MONEY to do everything that it wants to do.
That simply causes inflation and the depreciation of the currency as is the case right now.

The gvt must allow free market economy, establishment of industries in those remote areas, and then with money from gains of fixed investment it can then do what ever it wants to do.

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#13073 - 10/24/05 11:45 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Ngxabanisa Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 04/07/04
Posts: 24
Loc: Khonapha Eduzani
Vulindlela Nkosi, ngoba singayilandela ngokuvuleka kwayo.Sethulele ngobunengi bayo. Sibanengi ova njalo singanceda ngezinye indlela ezinengi ova. Period.

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#13074 - 10/25/05 09:12 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Bambitsotsi Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 29
Loc: Khonapho
uyabona Lobengula, nxa userious you would not go to those discussion forums. Why you would write. Indonsakusa needs writers and everybody would know that you are the one who thought of that idea. Vela why are you looking for newzimbabwe.com, kuyini lokhu. There is one forum for us, nansi Inkundla. why then go to strangers in strange worlds and then cry, what do you expect. Remember the Ndebele brothers, they thought they must share their ideas with Shonas, well they had their airline taken away by those they trusted. Here is a forum for you, that has built itself over the last five years as that for you. Be very careful, why should Gono acknowledge you? Are you his brother, nephew, cousin, sihlobo of any kind, maybe friend, no never. So grow up.

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#13075 - 10/26/05 12:45 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Tsotsi

Hatshi ngiyakuzwa nsizwa yakithi. Kodwa ke uzakhumbula mfowethu ukuthi ngitsho layo i New.Zimbabwe.com is owned by a fellow Mthwakazian Mr Mduduzi Mathuthu also a very prominent member of this forum. If you search ealier posts going backwards you will see his esteemed contributions as well.
I do not have a problem, with writing for our very own Inkundla because I do so all the time. I have written over a 1000 posts to this forum particularly on economics related subjects. But if the owners of the forum want me or anybody to have regular columns outside the main discussion forums then that is not a problem. But as you would recall a comment by ubaba uPotshoza ngaphezulu where he is rebuking me, I doubt very much whether abafowethu would welcome such a contribution outside the main discussion forum, ie, Ingxoxo.
But njengoba ngitsho nje that is not a problem for me. Iam addicted to impacting the very little that I know to my own people, whom Iam proud of.

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#13076 - 10/28/05 11:51 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu Offline
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Registered: 07/17/03
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Kengibuze bandla
Lobhenugla utsho ukuthi wena nguwe wedwa zwi emhlabeni lo ohlabayo olemicabango lamaqhinga okuqeda ingxabangxoza engumkhonomi wezwe lase Zimbabwe. Utsho ukuthi akula ngitsho loyedwa owazi nge economics ongacabanga ngendlela wena ocabanga ngayo. Utsho ukuthi lowo Gonondini akala msebenzi ngaphandle kokutshona ebulenjini ephuthuma amacebo okuqondisa umkhonomi welizwe. Utsho ukuthi lowo Gonondini akazi lutho nge economics okumenza ahluleke ukuba lemicabango ephakemeyo njengeyakho?
Ngeso lengqondo yami angikuboni kuliqinisa ukuthi uGono utshontshe amacebo akho

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#13077 - 10/28/05 01:18 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Dokotela Offline
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
Mpi

Lapho mina ngibona uLobs akatsho ukuthi yena engabe elobu gcitshi kakhulu kulo Gono, njalo angiboni atsho khona ukuthi umhlaba wonke jikelele nguye yedwa ololwazi ulujiyileyo, ocwepheshileyo kundaba zomkhonomi. cha!

Mina, indlela engibona ngayo yikuthi, uLobs uveza obala ukuthi ulwazi is not proprietery, njalo umuntu onjengo Gono laye depends on abanye abantu abakwaziyo. To me the name Gono is not related to the name God, therefore i view Gono as man like every tshabi who is certainly not perfect.

Mina, i don't want to under-estimate anyone of us, because i do not operate in a paradigm of colonialisation ngabetshabi. Mhlawumbe imicijo yakho, ivela ekuthini ubona angani uGono (ngoba ugave uboya begundwane) ucabanga ngcono kulo sapho lweNkosi (uLobs). You will be surprised to realise that some people that log on to Inkundla are people of very high education standards and uniquely skilled in their fields.

Mina, from knowing uLobs, i do not doubt that it has been his idea, based of his previous posts, his line of work, his involvement in very big missions across Africa and finally from being my hoodmate.

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#13078 - 10/28/05 01:54 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu Offline
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Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 17
Dokotela
Kuhle baba ukuthi uzame ukuphendula imibuzo uyami.Kuhle njalo ukuthi uLobengula ngumngane wakho omkhulu- ngilethemba lokuthi lobo bungane lobudlelwane phakathi kwakho lo Lobengula akusoze kukufiphaze njalo kukuphandle emehlweni. Ngitshil ngasekuqaleni ngathi ngiyayibonga impendulo yakho loba kunjalo angisuthisekanga ngempendulo yakho noba ngihleli ngilokhe ngilemibuzo:
1 bungaphi ubufakazi bokuthi uGono uthethe imicabango lamacebo kaLobengula ngaphandle kokufanana kwamacebo abo?
2 Ngoba amacebo abo okulungisa inkemenkeme engu mkhonomi waleliya lizwe ayafanana lokhu kusitshengisa njani ukuthi uGono uthethe imicabango kaLobengula
3 kulobufakazi bani bokuthi uGono uyafika ku newzimbabwe .com?
4 Empendulweni yakho uyaxhamanda ngoku gava uboya begundwane langokunye nje okungacacanga. Angazi ukuthi intoni ekwenze wanhlanhlatha ngegusu kukanti ubuqalise kuhle baba.Ubuwula obunjalo obuvamileyo lapha eNkundleni angilasikhathi labo - ngitsho ubuwula bokuthuka wonke umuntu olemibono engafani labanengi, ubuwula bokuthi umuntu olemibono ehlukile ulobudlwelano labeTshabi. Yibuwula obuphindeneyo lobu njalo kuyanenkisa inhliziyo ikakhulu uma kuvela kulabo abazitshaya izifuba bezibona bengcono kulabanye angani ukufunda kuqala kubphinde kucine ngabo- for the record baba (loba nje that is not the issue) - lami ngifundile okungilingeneyo ngakho ke angisoke ngethuselwe ngokuthi kulabantu abafundileyo laba eNkundleni.
Isiqokoqela sendaba yikuthi nangu uLobengula esitshela ukuthi uGono utshontshe amacebo akhe kodwa kazihluphi ngokuveza ubufakazi obuqinileyo - ngesilungu kuthiwa "we just have to take his word for it" Ngiyaphindela njalo kuleyi eyezifundiswa othi wena zigcwele lapha eNkundleni. Akulanto emangalisayo ngalokho - okumangalisayo yikuthi lezo zifundiswa leziphicamfundo othi zona zingcwele lapha azenzi umsebenzi owenziwa ngabantu abalemicabango ephakemeyo - ukucazilula lokuhlolisisa imibhalwo ephanyekwa lapha ebulenjini. Why are these so called educated and expert people taking Lobengula' claims to fame at face value? Does he really expect us to believe that Gono logs on to the internet - newzimbabwe.com to be specific to seek solutions to the dire economic straits that Zimbabwe is is? Masingayengani lapha bobaba ngendba zobungane loba ezobungcitshi obungathandabuzwe!!!!

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#13079 - 10/28/05 02:32 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Dokotela Offline
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quote:
Originally posted by Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu:
..3 kulobufakazi bani bokuthi uGono uyafika ku newzimbabwe .com?

Kumele ngibe sobala kuwe mfowethu, ukuthi abanengi abantu be politiki baya xhuma ebulenjini. WE have vidence yokuthi, uJona la banye aba njengo Mawere bayaxhuma. Yikho ke, ukuze ngivume ngifuna ubufakazi ubuveza ukuthi uGono akaxhumi kuleyo site ye newzimbabwe.

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4 Empendulweni yakho uyaxhamanda ngoku gava uboya begundwane langokunye nje okungacacanga...

Kuyini okungacacanga ngichasise?

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Yibuwula obuphindeneyo ...

Angazi lapha kumbe uzama ukungi thethisa na? Phuma mgceke.
Mina ngikwenze sobala ukuthi abantu abanengi ngenxa yoku buswa bacina sebebona angathi, owetshabi owaziwayo akatholo ncedo oluvela ebantwini abaziyo. Angizange ngibuze ukuthi wena ufunde okunganani, mfowethu njalo angizange ngithi ulobudlelwano labetshabi. Ngicela sixoxe kuhle, ukuze sibone imicijo, sifundisane.

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#13080 - 10/28/05 03:21 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 17
Dokotela
Ngenhlonipho- impendulo yakho inhle kodwa ayingisuthisi njalo
Tshela mina baba kanti uJonathani Moyo lo Ntume Mawere lo Gidiyoni Gono ngumuntu oyedwa na? Ngenxa yokuthi uJonathan Moyo lo Mawere bayafika ebulenjini ngokutsho kwakho kutsho ukuthi lo Gono laye uyafika??? Angiyiboni i logical progression that leads you that conlusion? Loba oMoyo labo Mawere befika ebulenjini lobu ayisobufakazi bokuthi uGono wafika e newzimbabwe weba amacebo kaLobengula!!!! Wena nguw labanye bakho abathi uGono uyafika ebulenjini ngakho ke kukini ukuthi liveze lobubufakazi.
2 Kanti lowo Gono ngowe politika kumbe ngumphathi ntambo we Reserve bank of Zimbabwe - angithi uthi wena abe politika bayaxhuma ebulenjini
3 Uma kuyikuthi bakhona abamphathisayo uGono, kulethuba elikhulu kakhulu elokuthi amacebo ulobengula athi ngawakhe angabe engamacebo ahluzwe ngabanye abantu abafunde njengaye uLobengula.
4 Ukuphikisa kwakho ngokokuthi ngenxa ukuthi ulobengula ngumuntu wesindebeleni loGono lowu litshona elilamathumbu aluhlaza kumele sikholwe uLobengula loba kungela bufakazi bokuthi akutshoyo kuliqinisa!!

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#13081 - 10/28/05 05:43 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
kaMjaji Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 329
Loc: ESkwakweni
Mpi mfowethu
uthi wena
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Ngiyaphindela njalo kuleyi eyezifundiswa othi wena zigcwele lapha eNkundleni. Akulanto emangalisayo ngalokho - okumangalisayo yikuthi lezo zifundiswa leziphicamfundo othi zona zingcwele lapha azenzi umsebenzi owenziwa ngabantu abalemicabango ephakemeyo - ukucazilula lokuhlolisisa imibhalwo ephanyekwa lapha ebulenjini. Why are these so called educated and expert people taking Lobengula' claims to fame at face value?
Ngiyajabula ukubana angifundanga okuphakemeyo ukubana ngenze lokho ofuna abafundileyo enkudleni bakwenze. Ngibona angani kwesinye isikhathi bayakhetha nje ukubana bahluze kumbe hatshi, njengawe baba ukhethe ukuhluza lendaba kaGono( kumbe boya be******* ngelika Doc). Engingakuzwisisiyo ngokwami yikuJAJA kwakho kwabantu abafundileyo lapha emphakathini, angiboni kungenelana lamaposts abantu jikelelezi. Bengingazi, ungangixolelela, ukubana amaposts alapha are refereed? Uma ungacasisa lokho ngingajabula

Simple put: How do you come to the conclusion that posts are taken at face value ?? [banghead] [banghead] [banghead]

Ukuthi kambe kangeni ebulenjini lujaha yena elelakhe ikhasi??

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#13082 - 10/28/05 06:17 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu Offline
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Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 17
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Originally posted by kaMjaji:
Mpi mfowethu
uthi wena
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Ngiyaphindela njalo kuleyi eyezifundiswa othi wena zigcwele lapha eNkundleni. Akulanto emangalisayo ngalokho - okumangalisayo yikuthi lezo zifundiswa leziphicamfundo othi zona zingcwele lapha azenzi umsebenzi owenziwa ngabantu abalemicabango ephakemeyo - ukucazilula lokuhlolisisa imibhalwo ephanyekwa lapha ebulenjini. Why are these so called educated and expert people taking Lobengula' claims to fame at face value?
Ngiyajabula ukubana angifundanga okuphakemeyo ukubana ngenze lokho ofuna abafundileyo enkudleni bakwenze. Ngibona angani kwesinye isikhathi bayakhetha nje ukubana bahluze kumbe hatshi, njengawe baba ukhethe ukuhluza lendaba kaGono( kumbe boya be******* ngelika Doc). Engingakuzwisisiyo ngokwami yikuJAJA kwakho kwabantu abafundileyo lapha emphakathini, angiboni kungenelana lamaposts abantu jikelelezi. Bengingazi, ungangixolelela, ukubana amaposts alapha are refereed? Uma ungacasisa lokho ngingajabula

Simple put: How do you come to the conclusion that posts are taken at face value ?? [banghead] [banghead] [banghead]

Ngubani othe ama posts lapha are refereed.
Lami bengingazi ukuthi ama posts ala are refereed- bengihlala ngizitshela ukuthi amaposts ala ayisiwo ma "academic articles" ngakho ke akudingeki ukuthi amaposts abe "refereed" Kunjalo akutsho ukuthi ngenxa yokuthi amaposts are not refereed abantu balakho ukuthi balobe abakuthandayo kungela muntu obuzayo ubuqotho balokho okulotshiweyo. Ngibona angani uzafica ukuthi lokhu yikho okubizwa nge gama le credibility? How credible are the posts that we read here, how credible are the people making the posts, how credible are the people reading the posts and ekucineni how credible is the site? How credible is the forum is nothing that is written here is not subject to challenge?
Uyabuza ukuthi ngikutsho ngani ukuthi ama claims ka Lobengula have been taken at face value. Well wethu- uLobengula waloba mhlaka 21/10/2005 ukuthi uGono ube amacebo akhe.Kube lempendulo ezimbalwa ngemva kokuphoswa kwamazwi ka Lobengula, ngaphandle kuka Cde Potshoza akuzange kube lomunye umuntu ozame ukudingisisa ubuqotho bama claims kalobengula. Mina lokho kungitshela ukuthi ama claims ka Lobengula are being accepted and their face value kungela kuthandabuza ubuqotho balawo maclaims. Siyabuyela endabeni ye credibility and the obvious implications.
Izindaba zokujaja - kanti imibono yomuntu ayisiwo lawo ma jajumentsi na.Wena ngoku loba okulobileyo lapha ngalokho engikubhalileyo ngaphazulu wenze into efana lale othi ngiyenzile- ngamafitshane ungi jajile kumbe ujajile engikulobileyo.
Lokho wena okubiza usithi yiku jaja mina ngikubiza ngokuthi yimibono yami. Akudingeki ukuthi lemibono ibe yilokho abakuthi yi "gospel truth"

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#13083 - 10/28/05 06:42 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
kaMjaji Offline
Nduna

Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 329
Loc: ESkwakweni
Uma ehluziwe baba kufana loku refeya.

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Well wethu- uLobengula waloba mhlaka 21/10/2005 ukuthi uGono ube amacebo akhe.Kube lempendulo ezimbalwa ngemva kokuphoswa kwamazwi ka Lobengula, ngaphandle kuka Cde Potshoza akuzange kube lomunye umuntu ozame ukudingisisa ubuqotho bama claims kalobengula. Mina lokho kungitshela ukuthi ama claims ka Lobengula are being accepted and their face value kungela kuthandabuza ubuqotho balawo maclaims.
Ngubani owavumelana lawo at face value? Ngitshilo ngaphezulu ukubana lomunye lomunye uyazikhethela ukuhluza njengawe baba. Uma kungelampendulo ezinengi kusukela mhlaka lokhuza angiboni ukuthi sokuyathiwa its taken at its face value, abafundileyo kunje kunje. Asivumelani na ukubana ukungaphenduli akutsho ukubana abantu bavumelana lalokho okulotshiweyo??

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#13084 - 10/28/05 07:11 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mpiyezwe Mahlabezulu Offline
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Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 17
quote:
Originally posted by kaMjaji:
Uma ehluziwe baba kufana loku refeya.

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Well wethu- uLobengula waloba mhlaka 21/10/2005 ukuthi uGono ube amacebo akhe.Kube lempendulo ezimbalwa ngemva kokuphoswa kwamazwi ka Lobengula, ngaphandle kuka Cde Potshoza akuzange kube lomunye umuntu ozame ukudingisisa ubuqotho bama claims kalobengula. Mina lokho kungitshela ukuthi ama claims ka Lobengula are being accepted and their face value kungela kuthandabuza ubuqotho balawo maclaims.
Ngubani owavumelana lawo at face value? Ngitshilo ngaphezulu ukubana lomunye lomunye uyazikhethela ukuhluza njengawe baba. Uma kungelampendulo ezinengi kusukela mhlaka lokhuza angiboni ukuthi sokuyathiwa its taken at its face value, abafundileyo kunje kunje. Asivumelani na ukubana ukungaphenduli akutsho ukubana abantu bavumelana lalokho okulotshiweyo??
Ukungaphenduli kungatsho into ezimbili:
1 abantu bayavumelana lalokho okulotshiweyo
2 abantu abavumelani lalokho okulotshiweyo

Ngakho ke umuntu uma esehluzile njengelungelo lakhe ulakho ukuthi
1 alobe impendulo
2 angalobi impendulo
Esikhathini esinengi kuma websites anjengalawa uma abantu bengavumelani lokulotshiweyo bavame ukuloba imibono yabo bephikisa lokhu abanga vumelani lakho. Ungakavuki ngolaka khangela ama "thread" alempendulo ezinengi ngaphandle kwalawo akhuluma ngokuhlekisana kwabantu, ikakhulu kwezombangazwe uzafica ukuthi kulokuphikisana limibono ehlukeneyo - khangela i thread zika Jonathan Moyo (enye yalamathreads ilamaposts afika 500- angikholwa ukuthi wonke lawo ma posts bekungabantu bevumelana lombono omunye!) kumbe eze secession le federation.
Ngakho ke ngombono wami ukungalobi kwabantu bephikisa amaclaims kaLobengula owokuthi uGono ube amacebo akhe kukhombisa ukuthi abantu bakwamukela lokho akulobileyo. Ngumbono wami lowo ngiyama ngawo lakho konke engikulobileyo ngabantu okuthiwa bafundile

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#13085 - 10/28/05 07:24 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mabila Offline
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Mpi!

Uyiphethe kanje ingxoxo yakho?

"Ngakho ke ngombono wami ukungalobi kwabantu bephikisa amaclaims kaLobengula owokuthi uGono ube amacebo akhe kukhombisa ukuthi abantu bakwamukela lokho akulobileyo. Ngumbono wami lowo ngiyama ngawo lakho konke engikulobileyo ngabantu okuthiwa bafundile"

Okwakuqala.........""Ngumbono wami lowo ngiyama ngawo"" This is a direct and literal translation from English ethi yona "I stand by it" hk hk Isintu asitsho njalo baba Mpi. Nxa uloba ngesintu kuhle ukucabange ngaso njalo.

Okwesibili okuyikhona nsika yendaba nanku:

Your question engakaphendulwa nansi?

Does non-response to a topic by Inkundla forumites indicate a positive face value agreement?"

Wena usuyiphendule hk hk hk hk hk [banghead] [banghead] based on what facts/evidence??..........kwaziwa nguwe wedwa hk hk hk

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#13086 - 10/28/05 07:30 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
kaMjaji Offline
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quote:
Ukungaphenduli kungatsho into ezimbili:
1 abantu bayavumelana lalokho okulotshiweyo
2 abantu abavumelani lalokho okulotshiweyo

Ngakho ke umuntu uma esehluzile njengelungelo lakhe ulakho ukuthi
1 alobe impendulo
2 angalobi impendulo

Awuboni ke baba uma sivumelana lapho kuhle.

Ama-conclusions akho ngabantu abafundileyo kumbe abangafundanga are in contradiction with the above assertions ngokubona kwami, especially the points labelled #2 in each case

By the way, I have no reason to doubt uNgwaloNgwalo uma ethi:
quote:
It seems he takes my ideas without even acknowledging
, kumbe njalo angifundanga?

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#13087 - 10/29/05 11:14 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
luulu9 Offline
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Registered: 04/21/04
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Mpi,

Angazi kumbe you have something against Lobengula kumbe vele nje unjalo. I personally dont see why we should ask for solid evidence for everything that pple say in this forum. We naturally expect ukuthi if you are going to post something in this forum you know what you are talking about. From the few posts that I have read that were posted by Lobengula I dont think ukuthi he would just make up something like that. And again, it could be that uGono had the same idea but he didnt know how to execute it. Its not that Lobengula knows more than uGono; the difference comes in how one puts the knowledge into action.

I certainly know a lot about economics, but I KNOW I couldnt manage an economy even if I wanted to. There are people with the necessary skills and God-given wisdon to do certain things. Thats why school in its self doesnt make an entrepreneur. Bill Gates doesnt have a College degree but kufield yakhe he is natural winner. Im not saying that this is the case but consider this:

Lets just say Gono and Lobengula are educated ngezemkhonomi just the same. This doesnt mean ukuthi they are going to do the job in exactly the same way. Lobengula could be generally more skilled in that area than Gono, such that the results are different.

You also stated ukuthi just becoz uMoyo visits NewZim doesnt mean Gono does too. That's true and there's no argument when it comes to that. Gono could have gotten the idea from Lobengula, and he doesnt have to check into newzim himself. He might have been told by somebody else who does.

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#13088 - 10/30/05 04:24 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Siphepheli Offline
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Ye batshele nkazana, sesidiniwe ngabantu abadabula isisu bedinga ukwelapha izwane. Bekutheni ukuthi umuntu azithulele nje athaphe ngawakhe, nxa kukhona oqamba amanga besizambamba ngokuya kwesikhathi, hatshi lokhu okokudonsela ihlahla lomkhaya egumeni. Akusisizi ngalutho. Njalo ngithemba kulezindlela lapha enkundleni zokuhlaziya izindaba ezingani ziphesenali.

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#13089 - 10/31/05 06:26 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Dokotela Offline
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Mpi, i should just tell you ukuthi, the credibility of Lobs to people like me, is unquestionable based on my personal knowledge. I will not publish such detail here to protect his privacy.

You may not be in a position to take his facts, well zindaba zakho. Mina, i have gained alot from his posts especially ngendaba zemali.

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#13090 - 10/31/05 04:31 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
hlathi81 Offline
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Registered: 10/14/03
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quote:
Originally posted by Lobengula:
Gaz

I have said many times in this forum and elsewhere that the financial and monetary policy that Gono went on to implement was drafted and crafted by none other than myself. I was requested by NewZimbabwe.com to draft a comprehensive document that policy makers in Zim can refer to in order to resuscitate the economy financially.

http://www.inkundla.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000044;p=1#000002


Lobengula - After reading the above post that you posted in August last year i'm a bit confused.You were "requested by newzimbabwe.com to draft a policy...." and you did so knowing fully well kuthi 'policy makers' would refer to it in coming up with polices.I find it a bit confusing ukuthi now you say they stole your ideas yet you knew well before hand that they would refer to them in resuscitating the economy etc..

I'm not doubting at all that these are your ideas but am not happy with the fact that you say they were stole them yet you gave them.

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#13091 - 10/31/05 07:42 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Hlathi

If you are requested by an institution or anybody to make a research of an intellectual nature into a field directly related to your profession: academic standards and norms require that whosoever uses your work must have the basic humility to acknowledge the source ,ie, if the source is Inkundla Forum, that person must thank the proprietors of the Inkundla and the person who made the contribution. In academic circles you can not parade with much fanfare and facade, ideas that were originally thought and processed by others and then display them as your own original thoughts. That is unacceptable.

On that particular one, you would be too happy to note that Mr Mathuthu of NewZim did send me a letter via e-mail thanking me for the financial article which was adopted verbatim by Gono. But Gono obviously felt that he is too important to do the obvious. Also baba Mlilo (hlathi) , you need to be told that Mduduzi Mathuthu is not a Zimbabwean policy maker or authority, he is just like me and you, just an ordinary Mthwakazian who is also part of this very forum, Inkundla.


Mpiyezwe

Your argument is very very interesting indeed, moreso, coming just below Bambitsotsi's post where he is urging us to do some research and contibute full articles of an academic or scholarly nature to our Indosakusa. Remember what I said to him above, that contributing fully researched work in this forum would breed a lot of contempt and problems with abafowethu who might not take too kindly to ideas coming from their own fellow Mthwakazians (eg yourself, Mpi). A typical example is yourself with your infatuation with Gono's magical financial prowess and wherewithal. You obviously do not doubt the fact that Gono has all the answers to the whys and wherefores of the Zim economy. You believe wthout hesitation that he has fathomed all the benchmarks and indices that dominate finance and economics. The fact that the same "Dr" Gono has ruined our country's financial wellbeing and reduced it to decadent and dismal lavatorial levels does not seem to suffice to you. Neither does the truism that for the first time in its history, the country is being savaged by hyperinflation because of the impetuosity and overzealousness of a rogue central banker. If one is a conservative central banker, that person can not loiter around explosive powder-kegs with a lit cigarette lighter. The risk of such an action is this that the very lighter can provide the spark, that may ignite the powderkeg, that in turn could explode into an inferno of gargantuan proportions. Gono tends to print too much money,ie, excess money supply which directly results in the country's inflation. He can not masquarade as a financial god when his actions result in financial orgies.

The fact that he awarded himself an honorary doctorate degree when he was a chairman of the University of Zimbabwe Council does not seem to suggest to you that "Dr" Gono might not have all the answers to all the rhymes and rhythms of Zim's complex financial conundrum. That your own people employed by leading financial institutions around the world could have some idea as to what the economy needs does not seem to dent your impervious logic.
However, there is a popular assertion in this forum which says that "this is a democratic forum one is therefore free to labour under various misconceptions. Alternatively, it could be that you have been conditioned or stereotyped or indocrinated into the malicious and fallacious belief that Mthwakazians (Ndebeles) are incompetent, ineffective, inert, inept, inane and therefore incapable of any public good. Unfortunately or fortunately (you take your pick) we are too used to such stripes being branded on our backs, so it does not bother us a jot, and we certainly won't lose sleep over it.used to, but the reality on the ground speaks differently and much louder. You can tell from the minions of Ndebele intellectuals who are challenging your dogma which seems to border on personal hatred of enlightened Ndebeles. I will link you up to the full debate in the same said forum where we have debated the country's monetary policies and the economy in general in full details. Surely, more than a leap into imagination is necessary in order to find the answers to the country's festering and simmering financial implosion.

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#13092 - 11/01/05 09:00 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Zwangendaba Offline
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Bafowethu.

Lokhu mina mselufu kuyangehlula. Kanti baba Lobs, oGONO usebenza labo ngaziphi???

Kumbe mhlawumbe kangizwisisanga???

Li Zwangendaba.

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#13093 - 11/02/05 08:14 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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Baba Zwangandaba

Hayi suka, awuzwisisi ngempela. Bheka lapha wena wakaNgwane. We discuss and debate policy issues here in this forum and elsewhere (eg NewZim).

Take the current economic policy issue of the country's Hyperinflation (ie, inflation that has gone beserk, or inflation that has run amok or runaway inflation or price increases that have gone out of control), all these are HYPERINFLATION!!!

Now, if you as Zwangendaba write an authoritative article on how Gono and his coterie at the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe can bring this scourge of hyperinflation under control, and if Gono goes on to adopt your authoritative ideas as they are and uses them to try and cure that hyperinflation, then surely reason dictates that he should have the decency to acknowledge and thank you baba Zwangandaba for your ideas.

I will give you another example baba Zwangandaba again relating to the possible cures for our country's hyperinflation conundrum and how we can cure or contain that. Here I previously suggested the DOLLARISATION of the country's financial system. Again what follows is what I wrote a previously relating to the issue of dollarisation as a possible means of correcting our skewed and distorted exchange rate and its attendant hyperinflation. The thing here baba Zwangendaba is that if the authorities go on to implememnt dollarisation as per the prescription, then they must acknowledge this fact and thank the relevant sources. When asked recently by one Hegel on the same debate alluded to above, specifically to explain what is meant by dollarisation and how it can help our country, this is what I wrote:

quote:
Hegel

I have already dealt quite extensively with this dollarisation issue somewhere above in this very discussion. But for your benefit, I will repeat the answer which I presented earlier on specifically addressing the dollarisation conundrum:

The choices to correct the endless simmering Zim financial crisis are equally ad infinutum (endless). Apart from adopting the dual currency system the other alternative is the complete dollarization of the Zim financial system. By dollarisation Iam referring to the adoption of the US$ as a medium of exchange and a store of value in all Zim transactions. This implies the contemptuous and disdainful discarding of the decaying and decadent ZIm$.

Dollarization would benefit Zimbabwe in that it would eliminate the Zim$- US$ exchange rate risk, eliminate hyperinflation (because Gono won't be able to PRINT any more US$), lower interest rates, and stimulate economic growth. Adoption of the US$ as a conventional currency in local markets brings stability to the local economy, it eliminates uncertainty and ipso facto almost zeroises inflation.

In fact Zimbabwe is already dollarized in an semi-official sense. Think of the Home-link sheme , the new Business Link, the fuel sells in foreign currency priced in US$ etc etc. One must highlight that by dollarisation Iam referring to full official dollarisation, not ama half-half half-hearted measures. Under officila dollarisation, the valueless Zim$ is completely scrapped and used to alliviate tissue paper shortages.

the major benefits of dollarsation would be reduced interest rates, elimination of exchange rates risk (which has dogged Zim for too long now). This would awaken the sick-giant of Southern Africa, Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe would cease to be referred to as the "Sickman of South Africa". But for all this to work, the country needs a well-intentioned, competent and independent central bank. Whether Gono's RBZ is competent is a possible PhD thesis for economics students. Generally Zimbabweans have shown that what they want in a curency are the following characteristics: low inflation, full convertibility, strength in value, international acceptability.

It must be noted that opponents of dollarisation do not cite economic reasons for such opposition, but rather political ones. Most opponents of dollarisation would argue that it undermines Zimbabwe's sovereignty and national pride. But the Zim$ has depreciated the value of our national prestige so much so that Zimbabweans are almost fully depreciated and reduced to scrap value. Also one can argue that dollarisation does not rob a nation of its soverignty because Zim would reserve the right to unilaterally pull out of the dollar convention any time in the future. Furthermore, one must remember that in economics, the fundamental issue is individual freedom and not governmental freedom.

The bottomline is that at long last GONO would not be able to PRINT EXCESSIVE MONEY any more beacuse US$s are printed by the US Federal Reserve system in the US. Mozambique and Panama are some of the nations where dollarisation is quasi-legalised.

The bottomline here baba Zwangendaba is this that when the authorities do adopt such policy initiaves suggested to them by ordinary people like me and you, they must acknowledge the source and express this fact unequivocally. People do not want to receive any financial benefits for such ideas but they just ask for ubuntu.

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#13094 - 11/04/05 10:19 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Lobengula Offline
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As we have asserted in this forum, US ambassador takes swipe at Gono's infatuation with the Printing of Excess money.

quote:
Roadwin Chirara
US ambassador to Zimbabwe, Christopher Dell, took a swipe at Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (RBZ) governor Gideon Gono this week saying he should have no role in the formulation of sectoral policies.

Speaking at Africa University on Wednesday, Dell said that Gono was the only central bank governor in the world who involved himself in sectoral policy formulation.

"Where else in the world does a central bank governor formulate sectoral policy?" Dell asked.

He said Gono had misjudged the influence of diplomats when he asked them to portray a better image of Zimbabwe considering investors carried out their own research when it came to looking for investment destinations.
"At his presentation to the diplomatic community he (Gono) called on the assembled ambassadors to do Zimbabwe a favour and portray a positive picture of Zimbabwe to investors," Dell said. "I believe Gono has misjudged diplomats' influence on investors. There are not many governments left in the world that can persuade or direct their business community to invest in a particular country," said Dell.

He said the continued printing of money by the RBZ was impacting negatively on the economy as it affected the country's currency value and the cost of food.

"The Reserve Bank keeps the printing press running and the economy suffers through the ripple effects on the value of the currency and on food and fuel supplies," said Delly.


He said the involvement of government in every facet of the economy continued to have a negative impact.
Dell raised concern over the current level of government control of the economy. "Why do the officials fear unleashing market forces? Do they have so much to lose personally if they were forced to compete on a level playing field with others?" asked Dell.

"Since I arrived in this country I have been struck repeatedly by the extent of the government's involvement in so many far-reaching aspects of the economy. Its urge to control, control, and control some more puts a stranglehold on the economic activity that belongs solidly in the private sector," said Dell.

The US ambassador said collected revenues by government through taxes were failing to meet public spending.

"Fiscal probity is non-existent when the budget deficit hovers in the double-digits. Even at Zimbabwe's high rate of tax collection, revenue in a contracting economy cannot keep abreast of the country's public spending."
Like previous International Monetary Fund reports, Dell noted the government's bloated wage bill as one of the major causes of the problems.

"The government's wage bill, saddled as it is with ghost workers benefiting from the patronage system, is an astounding 20% of GDP. I ask you, are you receiving a level of service commensurate with this outlay?"

The US envoy said the current economic situation was not a result of drought or sanctions, as claimed in official circles, but a result of government policies.

"Neither drought nor sanctions are at the root of Zimbabwe's decline. The Zimbabwe government's own gross mismanagement of the economy and its corrupt rule has brought on the crisis," Dell said. He said inconsistent and misguided government policies were impacting on direct foreign investment.
Misguided government policies and not sanctions had discouraged foreign direct investment, Dell said. He quoted statistics by the Centre for Global Development which said the quality of life in Zimbabwe had fallen to the levels of 1953 when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was formed.
"That's an astonishing reversal of 52 years of progress in only a dozen years," Dell said.


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#13095 - 11/05/05 07:09 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Zwangendaba Offline
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Bafowethu.

I have been educated. I was of the oppinion that you do papers for GONO. If I understand you correctly, you had done your paper to some other forum, and GONO stole your ideas, UXOLO baba. Isikhiwa singeqile.

My approach to you was that of DIS-ENGAGEMENT. It has been said in some circles that politics is a game of ENGAGEMENT. I differ very much from that line of thinking because once you engage with a CROOK, uyakubhica, ucine ungaselaso lasikhalo sokuthi unyomuke uma yena esesona njenge njayelo.

I personaly WOULD HAVE HELD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY RELETIVES WHO ARE DYING BECAUSE THEY ARE FAILING TO BUY BASIC MEDICATION, if you had been party to this decay of the economy in Mzi-mabtje. UXOLO.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#13096 - 12/16/05 11:01 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
kaMjaji Offline
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#13097 - 12/16/05 01:45 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Mabila Offline
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Very very interesting move by De Beers.

I like the recognition of the primary TRIBE constituency and I love the skills transfer part of the deal. Are we going to see more recognition of tribes in South Africa and elsewhere as a result of this move for other reasons other than presence of resources in their land? I wonder? OR are we going to see recognition of tribes only where the imperialists have an interest?

I remain a sceptic though in the initial determination of the 45 million pound stake for the Bofokeng tribe. How much involvement of the TRIBE was present in that determination?
We need more data here. Kunuka santungwana!

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#13098 - 12/20/05 12:08 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
mbilaka Offline
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Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 50
Loc: jhb
Hai lami ngixakekile ngendaba zomkhonomi okungenani ngingasho ngithi indaba zomkhonomi yifejafeja nje kuphela.Into eyenziwe kubafokeng tribe izosebenza kuyoibafokeng kuphela ngoba amaimperialists ngogombela kwesabo isikhwama abamani benze izinto ezikutextbook ye economics.Nxa into beyifuna bayayifuna noma kungabulawa abantu to pursue a certain resource bazokwenza.Into yakhona yibutsotsi nje akulalutho yicorruption, kufana lokubamba inkunzi.

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#13099 - 12/20/05 07:46 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
mbilaka Offline
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Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 50
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Lami sengimana ngigxambukele, Ngithe ngifunda kabanzi ngaloludaba ngethuke kakhulu ukubona ukuthi kukhona abasebenza naloyogono(whoever he is)kuyonale Inkundla.Kanti bantu masokunje kuthiwani? Akelisize bafowethu labodade.

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#13100 - 12/30/05 07:05 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
TSHITSHI NANA Offline
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 55
Loc: uk
NJENGOGONO KANGIFUNI KUZWA NGAYE. LISELA LOKUCINA ELITSHONTSHA NGOZWANA. UTHANDA IMALI VERY TOO MUCH NJENGO JUDASI SIKHARIYOTHI...OWATHEGISA INKOSI IMALI YAKHONA WATHENGA NGAYO IMBANJE LETHOTHOTHO!

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#13101 - 12/30/05 07:07 PM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
TSHITSHI NANA Offline
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 55
Loc: uk
NJENGOGONO KANGIFUNI KUZWA NGAYE. LISELA LOKUCINA ELITSHONTSHA NGOZWANE. UTHANDA IMALI VERY TOO MUCH NJENGO JUDASI SIKHARIYOTHI...OWATHEGISA INKOSI IMALI YAKHONA WATHENGA NGAYO IMBANJE LETHOTHOTHO!

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#13102 - 12/31/05 07:38 AM Re: Gono Steals Mthwakazian ideas again!!!!!
Siphepheli Offline
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quote:
Originally posted by TSHITSHI NANA:
........NJENGO JUDASI SIKHARIYOTHI...OWATHEGISA INKOSI IMALI YAKHONA WATHENGA NGAYO IMBANJE LETHOTHOTHO!

Uleqiniso lobufakazi balokhu na? Kumbe njalo lihlaya?

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