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#13752 - 03/09/04 05:41 PM
Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 16
Loc: Tsholotsho
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ZULU OMHLE MTHWAKAZI KANDABA NGIKHULEKILE ENKUNDLENI YAMADODA AKENGIBUZE MADODA LAMADODAKAZI ESINDEBELENI UKUTHI IZIBONGO ZETHIWA NJANI NJALO LESI SIBONGO ESITHI NCUBE SONE SINGUHLOBO LUPHI SIDABUKA NGAPHI NJANI NGOBANI ONCUBE MADODA AYIHLAZIYWE MTHWAKAZI
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#13753 - 03/10/04 06:13 AM
Re: Ncube
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Sikhulu
Registered: 11/19/01
Posts: 231
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Uyisitha wena. O'Ncube ngabakithi, hamba sitha.
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#13754 - 03/10/04 06:27 AM
Re: Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 03/10/04
Posts: 1
Loc: London
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Khumalo baba, umphendule kahle uNzingo, uyabuza, uthi yini iNcube. nami bengithanda ukwazi ngempela.
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#13755 - 03/10/04 08:16 AM
Re: Ncube
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Sikhulu
Registered: 11/19/01
Posts: 231
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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O'Ncube ngabakithi, ngabantu baka Dakamela. uDakamela beyiNduna kaMzilikazi, uDakamela amabutho akhe were called Zibambene. The people are together. Lina lizama ukuthi abantu bangathembi O'Ncube bona bebe thenjwe nguMzilikazi. Ngumbuso Ojani othi Ngobani O'Ncube. With that one can ask ngobani O'dliwayo, O' Mthethwa, O'Khumalo, O' Mlothswa, O' Mafu, O'Dube, O'Dlodlo,. What kind of question is that. Yikuzama uku divida abantu.
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#13757 - 03/10/04 01:41 PM
Re: Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 16
Loc: Tsholotsho
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HATSHI BO ANGIKHULEKE EKUNDLENI NJALO NGITHEMBA ALINGIZWANGA KUHLE MADODA KAMTHWAKAZI KANDABA MINA MUQOBO LWAMI ISBONGO SAMI NGESAKO NCUBE BUT I WAS ASKING SO AS TO KNOW HOW IT CAME ABOUT NOT THAT I HAD INTENTIONS OF DIDVIDING THE PEOPLE I WILL NEVERDO THAT NGILINDEBELE WAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHERE DO WE THE NCUBES FIT IN THE NDEBELE KINGDOM NGIXOLELENI BO NHLAMVU ZIKAMTHWAKAZI OMHLE
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#13758 - 03/10/04 03:25 PM
Re: Ncube
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Ngqwele
  
Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 176
Loc: KwaGuqangamadolo
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Mfethu Nzingo: Ma ngifundisisa umbhalo wakho, sengathi uwumuntu odinga iqiniso mpela; mayelana nomndeni wakwenu. Uyazi, akukho isimo esihle okwedlula ukuzazi wena ngokwakho; ngamanye amazwi, ukwazi impande yakwenu. Ngokubona kwami, ngiqondise mase ngilahlekile, ufisa ukwazi umlando wakwa-Ncube wasemandulo, napho iNgonyama kaMthwakazi ingakaweli uMbengwana. Kahle ngiphuthume ngikunikeze impendulo eqonde ngqo. Mfethu, uma sibheka emva lena, abantu bakwa-Ncube bankabayinye nabakwa-Khambule, Mlotshwa, Shezi, kanye nabantu baseziBisini. Ngomlando wakwethu, nansi inqolobane yama-Ncube, funda futhi uyigogose. At the time of the entry of the Ntungwa-Ngunis into the Vryheid district out of the south-eastern Transvaal, and their subsequent break-up there into numerous clans, there was among them a certain leader named Mlotshwa. From this Mlotshwa family were afterwards derived the small eziBisini, emaNcubeni, and Khambule clans. The family branch which later formed the eziBisini clan did not migrate far afield. In origin, they were closely related to the Mabaso-Khumalo-Khoza group of the Nondweni district; and, being few in numbers, they allied themselves with the Buthelezi chieftain and occupied a portion of his dominions abutting on the emaMbatheni and ebaThenjini, south of the White uMfolozi. These were they who called themselves quote: IziBisi zakwa-Buthela, ezi'mlom'ubomvu nabantwana bazo, zakwa-Sikithi seNgi'mpongo yembuzi.
They regard the iziBisi zakwa-Mahlase as an entirely different group. The most important person among them in iNkosi uShaka's time was one Mtshana. His son, Mnqandi, eighty years later, was among that army of amaqhawe slaughtered by Zibhebhu, son of Maphitha, esigodlweni sase oNdini, ngonyaka ka-1883; and his grandson, Sishishili, was killed after the Bambatha uprising (imfazo yakwaZulu) of 1906.
Besides eziBisini, there was another Mlotshwa party who subjected themselves to the Buthelezi chief, and there grew into the emaNcubeni clan. Omakhelwane banomndeni babanikeza igama "amaZilankatha", ngoba babenomkhuba wokuzila inkatha. EmaNcubeni, inkatha yabingalahlwa, kodwa yabishiswa besewuthi wonke owasekhaya abesegcoshwa ngomlotha. Kwakuyisiko labakwaNcube. Uzonanzelela ukuthi nanamhlanje izithakazelo zamaNcube zonke ziqala kanjena "...eNkatha...". Ngokuphelele, njengoba ngilandisile ngaphezulu, kufanele kuthiwe "...eMzilankatha....". Uma ufuna ngokugcwele izithakazelo zemaNcubeni, nginakho ukukunikeza. Before long, some of abakwaNcube migrated coastwards in search of more congenial settlement sites. There, they subjected themselves to the Mthethwa chief, Jobe [wabusa kusuka ngo-1790 kusiya ngo-1807], and were given a home eduze nendawo abathi namhlanje kuse Dukuduku, near the mouth of St. Lucia Bay. At their head was Zisongo, son of Makhombolo; there was also Magula, son of Ngonyama, of Solamba, of Mdungazwe, of Sidimbane. With time, this section of the family down at the coast became there known as abakwa-Ncube, not as abasema-Ncubeni.
Uma ufisa, ngokulandisela futhi umlando wabantu bakwa-Khambule, abahlobana nabakwa-Ncube, njengoba ngishilo ngaphezulu. Okwamanje, ngizokuma khona lapha.
Abanye babantu bakwa-Ncube kukhanya sengathi bawela uMbengwana neviyo ebelikhokhelwe yinduna uGundwane Ndiweni. KwaMthwakazi, iningi nalomndeni belihleli endaweni okuthiwa eMakhandeni (Fort Rixon), futhi bathathelwa umhlaba ngabelungu emaphethelweni ama-1950's. Emva kwalesosiga, basabalala; kodwa iningi namhlanje nihleli ezabelweni ezehlukene khona eNkayi. Futhi, uqinisile umfokaKhumalo uma ethi yena iNduna ebidumile yasemaNcubeni kwakunguyena uDakamela. Bheka, nanamhlanje kukhona indawo lena eNkayi abathi kwaDakamela.
Ngiyabonga, boHlanga.
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#13759 - 03/10/04 08:14 PM
Re: Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 16
Loc: Tsholotsho
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ZIMNANDI ZIYAHLABUSA ZIGINYISA AMATHE ZIYAQUMBAQUMBA ZIHALSIMULISA UMZIMBA INDABA ENGIZITHOLE LAPHA NGOMDABU WABANTU BAKWETHU KWANCUBE OMAZILANKATHA
NGIYABONGA NDUKUZIBOMVU NGOBA UTSHAYA ABAFO ABATHANDA UKUHLUKANIZA UMNDENI KAMTHWAKAZI NDIKU ZIBOMVU NGENGAZI ZAMADODA INDODA AMADODA EKHONA ANKUNDLENI NGIYABONA KE MANJE BENGISEMNYAMENI NGOMDABU WAKWETHU USIZILE THOLE LESILO NHLAMVU KABABA UMZILIKAZI ISILO SENDLELA HATSHI BO UKWANDA KWALIWA NGABAHAMBA EBUSUKU NGEQINISO UYIHLINZILE WAYTIHLAZIYA IMBALI YAKWETHU NGIYABONGA
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#13760 - 03/11/04 02:29 PM
Re: Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 40
Loc: harare
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kuyezwakala bakwethu njoalo uNdukuzibomvu uzwakala eyibetha kahle imbali yabako Ncube kodwa kusasele kancane ngoba lami nginguNcube kodwa izangelo zakoMzilankatha azisizo ezethu so khonapho kuthiwani ngoba mina ngokwazi kwami oNcube batshiyene njalo kubonakala sangathi balembali evitshiyeneyo. Kuleyinmye ethi abakoNcube bolunye uhlangothi ngamaVenda abehlala evendaland khona eSouth africa ezansi kwathi ngesikhathi sohambo lukaMzilikazi labo bacina sebefifile kuleli. Ungakhangela kahle lakhona e SA bagcwele oNcube ngakho ke kukhanya abalamdabuko munye ngengokuthi uma sithi abako Khumalo singabalandela baze bafike mdabuko munye bonke kodwa kungathi akunjalo ngabako Ncube ngakhoke asiyilandiseni lindaba size sibabone kuhle labo.....
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#13762 - 03/15/04 04:15 PM
Re: Ncube
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 16
Loc: Tsholotsho
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NANSO KE MADODA INDABA EBINGIHLUPHA LAMI NGINGUNCUBE KODWA HATSHI UMAZILANKATHA NGAKHO KE NGILENKINGA UKUTHI REALLY WHERE DOES MY CLAN COME FROM AND HOW DID WE END UP WHERE WE ARE TODAY AYIHLOME THOLE LESILO
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#13763 - 03/17/04 04:17 AM
Re: Ncube
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 65
Loc: Canada
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ekuhle utshaye khona mfokaNdukuzibomvu ,bona oNcube babevele bakhelane lamantungwa kanye lamaKhoza njengokutsho kwaNdukuzibomvu Okwenza abantu bakoNcube bebe banengi yikholokhu nje okokuthi izibongo zabo zabiwelwa isizwe sonke ,kulabesuthu abathi bengena esizweni bathiwa ngabakoNcube njalonjalo Uzathola njalo ukuthi kulabesiKhalangeni ,bakoNcube...izithakazelo zabo kungayisizo lezi ezibethwe ngaphambilini......kulabe lozi ababengabako Shoko ...inengi labo njalo lathatha isibongo lesi esithi Ncube ........ngakho uzatholukuthi minengi imhlobo yakoNcube KHEPHA ....ingayisiyo womdaka omnyama ....bona ngomzilankatha ,amakhambule njengokutsho kwandukuzibomvu ngokwanamhlanje uzotholumuntu esekethisa amadodana abantu abahluphekeliswezwe samaNdebele kusukela emuva uthini Umthwakazi
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#13764 - 03/23/04 01:13 AM
Re: Ncube
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 65
Loc: Canada
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NDUKUZIBOMVU Akukusitsheleke mfokaNdukuzibomvu.. ngabakoZikhali,...bankabanye na ? lalabo ababethwe ngaphambilini ,oNkatha..njalo kuze kuthiwe kulobuNdwangu kumbe Nkawu kwahamba njani iNcube yiNdwangu kumbi Nkawu? AKUYIXAKULULE njalo zinyanelesilo wenake phela thole lo Mzansi Ngiayabonga Linabakwa Ntuthuziyathunqa ko mtshayazafe Enkosi
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#13765 - 03/23/04 07:08 AM
Re: Ncube
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Ngqwele
  
Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 176
Loc: KwaGuqangamadolo
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Mfethu Mlamlankunzi, sawubona: Ngoqala ngithi kancane ukuxolisa ngoba phela bengihambile; bheka sekwedlule ende inkathi mina ngingethekeleli khona lapha eNkundleni yakwethu. Futhi, bengingenakho mpela ukufunda imibhalo nemibuzo ebekwe ngasenhla. Mfethu ngiyajabula kakhulu ukuthola nelithuba ukuba ngikuphendule futhi ngithi ukukwabela kungabe yintoni engiyazi ngalona mlando osematheni ethu ngalemihla. Imibuzo yakho izothile nyanisi, iphinde ithi ukujula. Sengiyonconcoza khona manje! Uyazi, umlando wakwethu kuyimfanelo ukuba siwulonde futhi siwugogose ngoba yibuthina bethu mpela. Maningi amabhubesi, njengoba nawe usazi, azembathise sazimvu; bazojabula mhla sakhohlwa ubuthina bethu. Izithakazelo zakwaNcube, ngokufinqiwe, zimi kanjena: quote:
Nkatha, Nhlansi, Zikhali zoMkhonto, Mzilakawulandelwa, Gabadeli.
Ukuphendula ngqo umbuzo wakho mfethu: iNkatha nabakwaZikhali ngabantu banye. Zimbila zantabanye! Abanye abakwaNcube bazithi Mkhonto, kukanti abanye bazithi Gabadeli, njalo njalo. Bonke nababantu bankabayinye mpela. Nanzelela ukuthi uZikhali lona ngukhokho wabakwaNcube owabezalwa nguMkhonto owabezalwa nguNhlansi, etc.
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Totem: a natural object, especially an animal, adopted among some ancient cultures as an emblem of a clan or an individual.
If you take a closer look at the official flag of isigodlo sakwaMthwakazi, you'll notice on the emblem of the city two hyraxes (also known as dassies or rock rabbits). You'll recall, Mfethu, that the hyrax is, indeed, the emblem of the Khumalo. Although rodent-like in appearance, hyraxes are hoofed mammals, or ungulates, most closely related to elephants and sea cows. In other words, scientists believe that the hyrax is a distant relative of the elephant. The hyrax, also called coney, has a squat, furry body, with short slender legs, short ears, and a short tail. It has small hooves on its toes, and moist padded soles that cling to steep surfaces by suction, making it an excellent climber. There are about 14 hyrax species, classified in two genera. The genus Procavia includes the ground-living species, sometimes called dassies. Dassies are rock dwellers and live in colonies of up to 50 animals; they are found especially in deserts and hills. Hyraxes feed on seeds, fruit, and leaves, and in large numbers can be serious agricultural pests. They are classified in the phylum Chordata, subphylum Vertebrata, class Mammalia, order Hyracoidea, family Procavidae.
From the zoology of the hyrax, I shall now take a brief detour in the direction of izithakazelo zakwaKhumalo. Mfethu, you'll recall that izithakazelo zakwaKhumalo zithi zona:
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Zindlovu ezibantu, Zindlovu ezimacocombela.
Ngiyethemba usewuzobona manje ukuthi ngiyaphi ngalomlando; namely: no one calls abakwaKhumalo "hyraxes" or "dassies", even though that is their traditional clan emblem. In other words, it would be disrespectful for anyone to ridicule umndeni lona by jumping up and down about their connection with the hyrax. A hyrax, or an elephant for that matter, is merely an emblem of the clan. quote:
The people who constitute the Khumalo clan are neither elephants nor dassies. They are human beings, descendants of amaqhawe amakhulu.
In a way, my description of the Khumalo totem is a circuitous way of addressing your mbuzo about the totem yakwaNcube. Eqinisweni, I'm not sure about what their emblem (totem) is. However, let me say this: I'll get back to you on this one.
Ngiyabonga, boHlanga.
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#33136 - 01/06/07 04:21 PM
Re: Ncube
[Re: Ndukuzibomvu]
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 01/05/07
Posts: 1
Loc: Euro
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uNcube yisibongo. Sidabuka kwaZulu. uNcube kumbeuMncube yintonye. Izithakazelo ngu Mzilankatha, Khambule, Mlotshwa. KoMthwakazi, uNcube uze nama'Ntungwa. Ukubeka kahle Ndukuzibomvu ukubana abelungu basithathela umhlaba ngama 50s.
iNde imbali!
Edited by Mthon (01/06/07 04:25 PM)
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#33142 - 01/06/07 10:39 PM
Re: Ncube
[Re: Mthon]
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Ngqwele
  
Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 176
Loc: KwaGuqangamadolo
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Ake sidingide izibongo zamaqhawe omlando esizweni samaZulu, mhlawumbe kukhona esingakufunda lapho. Izibongo zikhomba ukubongela into ethize ngokwakha inkondlo ngayo. Uma umuntu ebongela okuthize imizwa yakhe isuke ithintekile ngalokho akubongelayo. Abantu abaqave ngokuthile yibona abavame ukubongelwa noma ukunikwa izibongo.
USigananda kaZokufa ( ngokulandisa kukaMnuz. J.B. Hlongwane)
USigananda kwakuyinkosana kaZokufa wakwaShezi. UZokufa lona kwabe kuyisikhulu sase MaNcubeni, wayephila ngezikhathi zawoShaka, kepha yena akhe khona eNkandla.
Empeleni amaZulu ayexhumene ngandledlana thize nabaseMaNcubeni. Phela aMaNcube lawa aye ngochwepheshe ekwakheni imikhonto. Phakathi kwawo kwakunezinyanga zemikhonto ezidumile. Mhlawumbe yikho lokho okwenza ukuba uShaka ahoshelane nawo. Ubudlelwana baqhubeka njalo ngoba nangenkathi uCetshwayo engqubuzana noMbuyazwe, aMaNcube ayelekelela uSuthu. USigananda lona wathathwa njengomunye wabashokobezi abaphehla udweshu ekuvukeleni umbuso. Phela abanye kwabe kungoChakijana noBhambatha noMangati. Phela uMangati nguye lona esihlangana naye ezibongweni zikaChakijana. Wabe eyindodana kaGodide Ntuli, induna enkulu eyabekwa wuMpande.
USigananda lo kwabe kuliqhawe, wayengahlehli uma sekuliwa, ingakho nje kuthiwa:
Uziziba zibomvu, Ophakel'izinhlanzi zingalambile, Waphakel'izingwenya zingalambile.
Wabamba iqhaza elikhulu empini ka-1906. Ake silalele bembonga: Umgwazi kadabuli, Umgoq'ovimbel'amathol'amhlophe, Obengadl'izinkob'ebhodweni, Obedlel'esoCweni, Undaba zafika kuqala kumfana kaSonzica.
Uziziba zibomvu, Ophakel'izinhlanzi zingalambile, Waphakel'izingwenya zingalambile; Umjiyozi wophind'upheth'izihlang'ezibili, Esinye sicitshwe uZibhebhu kwabakaMaphitha.
Uhlekis'omhlekisayo, Usifutshana sengane yasebuphukuphukwini. UNhliziyo yengane yasebuphukuphukwini, Umatshuzatshuz'ozimamba. Usehla ngendawana yakhe yedwana; Uzilima zikaZokufa abathi zisemuva kanti ziphambili; Usinga lwentul'umathung'isidwaba.
Ayidle izishiyele!
Ngiyabonga.
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Indab' ibekelw' amazolo
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#33148 - 01/07/07 09:53 PM
Re: Ncube
[Re: Zwangendaba]
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Ngqwele
  
Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 176
Loc: KwaGuqangamadolo
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Umdabu awungagcini nje ngokubabaza isandla kepha awethekele le nhlese eyimpande yawo, uyoyiphuzisa injula yemivubela yasemaxhibeni okhokho bawo. [Mnz. Reggie Sipho Khumalo]
Abantu baseMaNcubeni badume ngokuthi bangabantu ababengochwepheshe ekwakheni izikhali zempi [imikhonto]. Phakathi kwabo kwakukhona izinyanga zemikhonto ezidumile. Akusimfihlo ukuthi lesi sizwe bekade sihoshelana noShaka, mhlawumbe ngenxa yobuhlakani baso ekwakheni izikhali. Isizwe sakwaNcube sizinze namhlanje ezigodini ezahlukahlukene kwelikaMthaniya; bakhona abazinze eNkandla. Idlinza lenkosi uCetshwayo lisehlathini lodumo laseNkandla, futhi libhekwe yibona abantu baseMaNcubeni.
Ngamanqampunqampu, nanzi izithakazelo zamaNcube:
MNcube, Mlotshwa, Khambule, Mlandelalanga loshona ezintabeni zoKhahlamba! Wen'owaseNyangitheni, Wen'owabonakala ngokuza kweNkos'ekhaya. Mzilankatha, Nina enadl'abaNguni!
Ake ngigcizelele ukuthi uMlotshwa yigama lomunye wabadabuli [inzalabantu] besizwe saMaNcube. Umlando uyasho ukuthi lona Mlotshwa wayehlobene ngandledlana thize noMashobana, uyise kaMzilikazi. Umncube yinhlobo yomuthi [isihlahla] onomthunzi obanzi esivamile emaphandleni kwelikaMthaniya; lo muthi ubalulekile emlandweni waMaNcube. Ayidle izishiyele!
Azibuye emasisweni!
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Indab' ibekelw' amazolo
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#33154 - 01/08/07 06:00 PM
Re: Ncube
[Re: Ndukuzibomvu]
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 32
Loc: Uk
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Umzila kawu landelwa, ungaw'landela umosh' iskhathi sakho....
Hawu, ngiyalizwa baf'ethu nabo dade! Ibambeni, lingay'yeki!
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Mpho Ncube Director of Communications MAGGEMM PO BOX 1870 Croydon CR9 2FF UK
ncubem@maggemm.org
Ayipheli, Ngekiphele Lendaba!
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