While the purpotedly modern way of viewing life is that everyone should have a right to marry across ethnic groups, this can make a person think soberly about whether its wise to marry Shonas. Maybe Mabila and company have a point when they say asixwayeni amaShona. Read this shocking article:

Groom abandons bride after being charged $52m for lobola

By Roselyne Sachiti
THERE was drama at the Chatinda home in Warren Park last weekend when a lobola (bride price) payment ceremony was abandoned after the groom’s sadombo (go between) grabbed all the money and groceries he brought and stormed out of the house in protest against the bride’s $52 million price tag.

After being asked to pay $500 000 for makandinzwa nani Sam Matamba (27) of Warren Park D was also asked to pay $7 million for making John Chatinda’s daughter Letty, pregnant out of wedlock.

In an interview with Sunday Metro last week Matamba said his go between (sadombo) tried in vain to negotiate with his would-be father-in-law to charge realistic prices but he remained steadfast.

"I had saved $7 million in all for the bride price and we were shocked when I was told to pay a total of $7,5 million for makandinzwa nani and for damages," he said.

But another surprise was in store for him. He was charged $25 million for rusambo (the main bride price) and was told that the groceries he had bought were too little.

He was given a fresh list of groceries he had to buy and these included a months supply of Amarula wine for the father and bubble bath for the mother-in-law.

"They told me buy five head of cattle, three suits for the father-in-law, a satellite dish complete with full DSTV subscriptions as part of the bride price," he said.

A holiday for the father and mother in Victoria Falls would complete the bride price.

"My in-laws said they also wanted a honeymoon because I had already had mine with their daughter when I made her pregnant," he said.

That was when all hell broke loose and the sadombo started shouting at Mr Chatinda whether he was serious.

The groom then ordered the sadombo to collect everything they had brought and leave.

"I told him to go back in the house and collect all the money we had paid including the groceries after I consulted my elders.

"My elders told me that I would get myself into serious problems if I married from that family," said Matamba.

He said his go between went back into the house and told the father-in-law that they could not afford to marry his child and wanted their money and groceries back.

"My sadombo grabbed the money from the father then took the groceries and we left," said Matamba.

He said he would fend for his child when the mother gave birth.

When contacted for comment, Mr Chatinda confirmed the incident.

"Letty is my daughter and I charge how much money I want for her bride price, " he said.

[ 23.11.2004, 23:05: Message edited by: Sibalukhulu ]

You will forgive me I accidentally clicked add post before inserting the topic of the thread. The topic is Amalobolo.

What r the reasons okubhadala amalobolo?Kubhadalwa malini kulezi nsuku ezimbabwe?Amashona athanda imali wat has DSTV,HOLIDAY IN VIC FALLS got to do with marriage?Yikufuna ukukholisa imali yokwenyanya,mina ngingahle ngitshele utopara/laumdala wentombazana ukubana azilobolele umntanakhe.Yikudubeka yini okwenza abantu bafune ukunotha ngemali zabo son in-law to be?Labhadaliswa malini bantu elisemazweni lilobolaintombazana zikamthwakazi?Ngezwa kuthiwa abanye babizelwa imali yamalobolo in £/US$ kuma £10 000/US$15 000,abantu abadala sebefuna i forex.

hk hk hk eish liyaziqava majimbosi inzemu zokukhera ama short cut uhle ukhere lotopi wakhona kanye loma sunday school mina ngizazikherele owakithi olobuntu njalo lenhlonipho amandenge awathandi smeka so majida noma nje abantwababo bebathanda.Indenge lizincanyelwa libhayisikili hk hk lamatikiti okunjenga e BF Uumnyaka wonke hk hk

silapha bafo labo dade ukuthi sikhuthazane ukwakha isizwe ngokuhlanyela umthondo ezivandeni zakithi. Umthondo ohlanyelwe emeveni uyahlatshwa ungasakwazi ukuthela izithelo qobo.

Konke lokhu kuveza ukuthi kumele sithathaneni thina sodwa abantu-bantu hatshi amashort circuit.

loba abadala besithi indlala idlisa udaka.kambe abantu beyilamba kangaka engasazixoxisi lomunye mhlawumbe ubezathola omunye obulewe lisawudi njengaye babone iplan.

yikuthi i-one nite-stand ayitholakali endaweni ezinengi ,nxa kungumuthi asazi!

Indoda le etholakele ikwela imbuzi ibihaliswe yini ngempela? Kungabe iphile kahle ngempela. Njalo ngibona sengathi umnikazi wayo uthethe isinqumo esihle sokushe ayinikeze ibe ngumakoti wayo. Kusho ukuthi lendoda iyawazi umsebenzi wayo uluphose waze walobola. hayi dlala nsizwa yakuthi uliqawe lokulobola uze ulobole imbuzi.

Nanko umbuzo Mthwakazi uma umuntu esetholakele ekwela inyamazane njengale indoda yaseSudan iyabuya idliwe yini leyo nyamazana. ngoba phela abanye batholakala bephezu kwenkomo abanye babhebha inkukhu phela. Niyithini leyo ndaba?

Kungabe abafowethu abazitholi yini izibumbu baze bahalele imbuzi.

HA HA LAVUKIYANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MINA MANJE

mina lowo babazala obiza amalobolo angini uyaqabuka izinto ngithi lilema laba nje engumuntu omdala kacabangi sibili akulamuntu ozathatha umntanakhe manje...... ufuna ukunotha kubi hayikhona uthi into zabetshabi ha ha satilite dish, honeymoon yona uyazi ukuthi udunusele ngaphi hlekiyaniiiiiiiii mina hk hk lamasudu hk hk yeyi okunye ngokunye yeyi linaaaaaaa lenkomo ungani kulotshwolwa indlovukazi ha ha

then lowo owembuzi hk hk hk gegedekiyaniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii lilemanyana ubeseswele ngitsho okulelihlo elilodwa kodwa lokhu hk hk asaziiiiiiii ke umhlabalo batayiiiiii asaziiiiiiii sibili

umbuzo wokuthi inyamazana le iyadliwa nikisi mani yeyi mina inyama ngiyacina ngingasadli sibili mmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhh kunzima bantu uyathi udla inyama kanti ilokunye hayikhonaaaaa mina angisadli inyama shame
(yisifiso lesi )

DANKIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

YE BAKITHI USEKA "LETTY" OHH UMDALA ESEZIBONELE I HOLIDEYI E HANYANYI,HK HK,KUNZIMA EKHAYA KULEZINSUKU,NGILOMNGANE OHLAWULISWE KUBO $60m,KUNGABIZWA AMALOBOLO INDABA ZOKUGIJIMELA OMANGUMBA BASE MPUMALANGA.

KODWA MINA KUNGOWAMI UMNTWANA SELISITHI SELIFUNA UMBHUCU WENU BACK,HA HA NGEKE,LIZAPHELA LITHATHE LAMI SIBILI AHHHHHH,IMALI SENGIYIBAMBILE NGEZAMI LEZI BESOKUTHIWA SESIYIFUNA BACK,NGIHLE NGISASAZELE NGOKUNGO GUYUGUYU KWAMI OKWEHLULEKA LOKULWA LABOKITI,LAKHO KUYABE KUSAZI OKUTHI SINGAMLWELA U BASI KUTSHO OKUTHI SIZAKE SIBE LAMA DOG BISCUITS,HK HK,UZABONA NGOTHULI KUPHELA I DOMBO LAKHONA SELIYILO ELIKHOKHELAYO AMA SUDU ESEBOTSHELWE EQOLO.NGIYAMZWELA U LETTY NGUBANI OSEZAMFUNA NANKO ESEPHUME KUMAPHEPHANDABA,SOKUYI "KHOMBISA U LETTY AT UR OWN RISK",HK HK HK

BENGISOLA USEKA LETTY HAYI ANGISAMSOLI MANJE LOWO MFANA NGU MPONDO KAYITSHINTSHWA,BENGIZAMA UKUKHANGELA UKUTHI IMALI EMKHALISAYO INKULU OKUNGANANI UMUNTU ENGAKHALISWA LILOBOLO ELI LESS THAN $300 US,NXA I US ELILODWA LIKUPHA $200 000 ZIM DOLLARS HA HA,SIZAMZWELA NJE UKUTHI USE ZIMBABWE LOWO JAHA.

hayi ntshontsho mina angivumelani lawe.imali ingabe iless than US$300 kodwa umuntu oaverage ekhaya kayitholi imali leyo mahlayana nje....reality check-i average mholo wabantu ekhaya ikubo $11milion, but ngeskhati sesiga lesi kwakuyi $3Million.

ukulobolisa okwesitshabini ku unrealistic.mina ngilomngane owabhadala abt 13million ngabo november nyakenye.

Hayi bo mina kangivumelani lawe ntshontsho kanti ukulobolisa yikuyini vele?Yikudala lokwadisa ubuhlobo mpintshi yindaba banje abanye sebethengisa abantwana babo.Uyazi ukuthi udade angalotsholwa at that price uzahlala ekhala inyembezi emzini wakhe.Uzahlala esidla inhlamba ngemali le ayibizelwayo so akukuhlanga lokho mfowethu.
Asandisenini ubuhlobo hayi ukukhawulisana.Ngiyavumelana lokulobola hayi ukuthengisa.

KODWA ANGIBONI EKHONA KULEZINSUKU EKHAYA ONGAFUNA UKUTHI INGANE YAKHE ILOTSHOLWE NGE SPECIAL KUMBE DISCOUNT PRICE KUGIJINYISWA UBUHLOBO,YE AKUMELANGA KULINYAZWANE NGOKUBIZA IMALI ENENGI KODWA ASIKUKHUMBULENI UKUTHI KUBHEDA KANJANI EKHAYA.ANGALI UKUTHI VELE ABANTU BASEMPUMALANGA BATHANDA UKUBIZA KAKHULU,NGESIMO ESISEKHAYA KHATHESI,AKULA ONGAFUNI KUDLA NGOMNTANAKHE OYINKAZANA(PEOPLE'S DAUGHTERS ARE NOW BEING USED AS MONEY MAKING MACHINES),WHICH IS VERY BAD.


IMVUBU IZAPHELA IKHALE KODWA BONA ABADALA BAYABE SEBEDLILE YIKHO OKUBUHLUNGU NGAKHO,BAYIBIZA BESAZI UKUTHI EMENDWENI UMNTANABO UZABONA IZIBUNU ZOFUDU INDODA ISIPHETHE IBALISA NGEMALI YAYO.NGITHEMBA KULAMALANGA UNGAMITHA KODWA WEHLULEKE UKUVEZA UMNIKAZI,AWULIBONANGA SIBILI,HK HK

ntshontsho

kesikhumbuzane ukuthi ulimi lwethu ngolwamakhosi,umuntu kamithi uyazithwala ngesiNdebele.the fact that the person got pregnant outside wedlock does not make that girl less of a human being!!remember if u find that girl guilty or less of a person it takes the man too,we man r guilty too

BAKHONA ABAMITHAYO MZUKULU KA GOGO,UMUNTU UYAMITHA,BAYA MITHISA,KUYAMITHWA,KUYAMITHISWANA,HAVING A CHILD OUT OF WEDLOCK IS UKUMITHA.

AH AH MAHLABEZULU
NXA SEKULOKUMITHISWANA KANGISAYINGENI LINDABA FUNA LAMI LINGIMITHISE SANKOMOKAZI KAMALUME EYAKHWELWA YINKUNZI KADLOTHO!

TSHITSHI NANA!

Bafowethu.

Kasikho isiNdebele esithi umuntu umithi, kasikho sibili. Ngabantu abathanda ukulahla ulimi.

Lokhu bekusenzakala kakhulu nxa ingedla isizondile ngoba umntwana eseyephuke imbambo kungazakali ukuthi ngokazibani otshaye induku. Umdala ubetshinga lapha ekhaya aze asebenzise ibala elithi, "UMITHISWE NGUBANI", esenzela ukuthi kube buhlungu kuloyo osezithwele kungela kuvelwa ngabasheli bakhe.

Yikho labo abalemilomo elula sebalithatha leli bala balilulazisa nje. YINHLAMBA.

Li Zwangendaba

NXA UZITHWALE WEHLULEKA UKUKHOMBA/UKUQAMBA UMNIKAZI WESISU,UMITHISIWE,LIBALA ELIBUHLUNGU KODWA ELISETSHENZISWAYO UKUKHANGELELA PHANSI LEYO NTOMBI,ELELE LABAFANA ABAMBALWA YAZITHWALA,LINGATHI AKULA BALA ELINJALO,UKUBA KHONA LIKHONA,WOTHINI LIBALA ELIBUHLUNGU KUPHELA.UMUNTU KUTHIWA UZITHWELE,EZITHWELE ISISU SIKA ZIBANI BANI,NXA WENA ULASO KODWA UYISE ENGAZIWA,UMITHI,UMITHISIWE UNGUMAMITHA/MAMITHISWA,FINISH!!!!!

ha ha LAVU LAVU MINAAAAAAAAAAA
Nsthontsho ezakho so asaziiiiiii bhululu.

Lami ngiyavumelana lomfondini ubra Ntshontsho la ibala elithi MITHI likhona njalo liyasetshenziswa njengoba etshilo ngaphezulwini umemba

ungaba lesisu abadala bengazi uyezwa sebesithi "umithiswe" ngubani ngoba lowo mamithisa bengamazi liyabooo
so umitha ukhona nje libala elingahloniphiyo sibili yikho nj abantu bngafuni ukuthi lisetshenziswe kodwa okusalayo yikuthi umitha ukhona yisindebele sibili

uzathi uqeda ukubhadala amalobo wonke lawo umfazi lowu esuka eyehula >........ sokuthiwani manje ke lapho?
i think indaba yelobolo leyi vele sokumele ivalwe ngoba akusafani lakudala, o sisi ba these dayz sebethanda izinto abasathenjwa, umuntu uyakudlalela i koti-kopti ule 48 hours uqeda kulobola, i kakhulu osisi laba asebasemazweni ukubalobola it's now at your own risk ngoba kulama too much drama kubo.

Tshisa

osisi sebedlala ikoti koti ha ha ha lavukiyani mina. mina ngithi amalobolo awabhadalwe nxa lowo sisi omthengileyo esekudlala i think ilungelo lokufuna back amalobolo ulalo, its juss like ungathenga isigqoko singakukwani u go back for refund ha ha ha . ungeze ufune back amalobolo nxa kunguwe jaha othe wadlala ikoti koti kaTshisa ha ha ha.
so mina ngithi kumele abhadale amalobolo coz vele akula baba ongaphongu hambisa umntanakhe.
SO PHAMBILI NGAMALOBOLO SIFUNA UKULOTSHOLWA THINA ha ha ha hayi ukuhamba mahala nje
LAVUKIYANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

mmhh asazi ha ha kunzima lina shuwa shame hayi bo hk hk hk

MINA SIBILI BENGANGIHLABA KAKHULU AMALOBOLO,UZABE USIDLA AMACIMBI MINA NGITSHEBA NGENKUKHU,HA HA.KUDALA UKULOBOLA INTOMBI OYITHANDILEYO KWAKUKWENZA UZIZWE UYINDODA EMADODENI,KWAKUTSHENGISA UTHANDO LOKUQAKATHEKISA OSUTHE WAMKHETHA,NGOKUSHUBA KWEZINTO EKHAYA KONKE LOKHU SOKWANGENELWA YIBU DLWANGU DLWANGU LOBU HOBHOLO,KUBIZA KUZE KUBIZE LABANAWABO BENTOMBI,OKUNGABAFANA KUBIZA AMA PLAY STATION NXA UFUNA U DADEWABO,KUNZIMA KODWA OKUQAKATHEKILEYO UTHANDO YILO UMANGQOBA.

uyazi MAGU i w will say amen to that one, i defination ye lobolo it was meant to unite both families and it was a token of thanks from abakibo kandoda to abakibo bomfazi, njalo kulotsholwa abantwana, kodwa ngendlela ilobolo abadala asebadlala ngalo these days kuyadanisa phela.i lobolo has no value anymore njengakudala.mina ilobolo engilaizyo ngelakudala elokuthi uyathenga ijazi likamamazala le sudu ka babazala ubhadale lemali abayifunayo kuphela, hayi amasimba lawa esiwabona these dayz....i forsee a situation 10-20 years down the line kuyabe kungasela malobolo ekhaya if abadala continue to behave in such a shame and greedy manner, thina o TSHISA siyabe sesibhadala i child support kuphela ngoba asingeke simele izinto zobulema kumbe sizahlalisana singatshadanga nxa abadala benkazana yakhona bengela ngqondo.There is no sense ukuthi suqede ukukhipha izimali zonke lezo ,wena lomfazi wakho selisala lilamba then sekuyala ngoba awusela mali , imali yonke sihambe ngangibo indaba yamalobolo leyi vele sokumele ivalwe ngoba if you look at it thina abantwana bethu abasoze belotsholwe ngendaba zokuzalelwa emazweni lezi, umtwana uyahlangana le JAMA uthi uyalitshela ngelobolo uzwe lisithi ''BOMB'CLANT what is that'' hk hk hk hk hk.

tshisa
hk hk child support kuphela

Intalesitingi in didi, hk hk hk hk!

Bafowethu.

Asehlukaniseni inyama lomgogodla.

ILOBOLO bekuvele kungalotsholwa mfazi. Bekulotsholwa abantwana. Yilo iloboblo, esintwini samandulo bekuthiwa yikuhlenga abantwana. Ukuhlenga yikubakhupha ebunzimeni. Umntwana ongalotsholwanga ubekhulela ko Malumakhe. Ubesetshenziswa njengesigqili lapha ngoba engela yise. Ubethi loba unina angamthatha amuse emendweni wakhe omutsha afike khona ANGAMUKELEKI ngabantwana abazalwa kulowa muzi. Yikho ubesebunzimeni lomuntu. Zibuze ke izihlobo zikayise zithi, "Yini ungahlengi igazi lethu?"

Umfazi ukhutshelwa okuthiwa yisibongo, cha ILOBOLO. Isibongo bekusiba ikakhulu yi NKOMO YOHLANGA.

Yikho esintwini samandulo ububona kulula ukuthi umfazi asuke emendweni, KODWA ABANTWANA bebesala lapha ekhaya ngoba behlengiwe.

Lingincedise bantu beNkosi.

Li Zwangendaba.

Nanso imihlola!!

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PARLIAMENT 21 February 2007 Sapa

LOBOLA A TAXING QUESTION

To tax lobola, or not to tax: that is the question that Finance
Minister Trevor Manuel does not want to touch with a bargepole.

He told MPs in his Budget speech on Wednesday that last year he
received a suggestion he should make lobola, the traditional
payment for a bride, tax deductible.

"This year, I've been given a suggestion that I should impose
VAT, or that I must tax lobola trusts, since some people are making
money out of them," he said.

However this issue seemed "far too complex", and he would have
to consult "our elders".

"I don't know that we can get involved in these matters through
Sars," he said.

He said the lobola tax proposal was one of hundreds of "Tips for
Trevor" he received ahead of the Budget from members of the public.

"Let me thank all of those South Africans who have taken time
and effort to write to me," he said.

"The strength of our democracy is measured by the depth of
involvement by ordinary people in the affairs that affect them."

He said a Mr AS Smit submitted a tip which asked: "Can you thank
taxpayers in your Budget address for their contribution."

"Mr Smit, you are completely correct, so I apologise if I have
not done it adequately in the past, and express our joint gratitude
to all taxpayers," Manuel said.

Announcing a series of tax relief measures for individual
earners, he appealed to taxpayers to use the extra cash to settle
debts or save, rather than for consumption.

"And the governor [of the Reserve Bank, Tito Mboweni] said if
they don't listen to my pleading, he'll have to report them to the
monetary policy committee," he added.

The committee is the body that adjusts the rate at which the
bank lends money to commercial banks, a figure which determines
interest rates they in turn charge customers.

In another light moment, Manuel outlined how South Africa's
foreign reserves, public debt to GDP ratio, and economic growth had
improved dramatically since President Thabo Mbeki took office in
1999.

"However Mr President, it's not all smooth sailing. Can I point
out that when you came to office Bafana Bafana was ranked 25th in
the world," he said.

South Africa's national men's soccer team is currently ranked
59th out of 207 teams by Fifa. Last year in the African Nations
Cup, it failed to score a single goal.

Later in his speech, Manuel announced that following discussions
with Cricket SA, tax law was being changed to ease the tax
liabilities of professional sport bodies "that contribute
meaningfully to the development of amateur sports".

Since that discussion, he noted, the Proteas had risen to the
top spot in the world one-day cricket rankings.

"I should just announce the same terms are likely to be
available to all codes," he said.

Hatshi bafethu umuntu kuthiwa uyamitha especialy if its out of wed lock .No wonder y ungathatha i "off layer" kuthiwa u thethe imitha therefore amalobolo akhona mancane (any where uyabe usavile coz its easy for amadoda ukuthi agcine umntwana ongasowakhe!!!)