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#16918 - 02/14/05 04:01 PM We belong to no mens' land
posh Offline
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Registered: 02/10/05
Posts: 8
Loc: middlesbrough
Eqinisweni thina maNdebele sophephelaphi? ESouth AFrica sibizwa ngamakwerekwere, eZimbabwe amadzwiti, EUK siyadipothwa. [Confused]

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#16919 - 02/14/05 04:09 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
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Complete lack of identity. Excellent question.

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#16920 - 02/14/05 04:09 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Mabila Offline
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#16921 - 02/14/05 04:09 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Mabila Offline
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Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2123
Loc: Ayowa
Complete lack of identity. Excellent question.

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#16922 - 02/14/05 04:33 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
posh Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 02/10/05
Posts: 8
Loc: middlesbrough
ASINGAPHELI AMANDLA, SIYOTHI YANGA YANGA SIZOPHEKELA ABNTWANA

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#16923 - 02/14/05 05:47 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
bunandi kill me Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 09/20/04
Posts: 805
Loc: ezintembeni
[bigcry] umbuzo wakho uliqiniso elibuhlungu [bigcry] [bigcry] [bigcry] . asazi mina ngibona engani its how we did something coz sizaba ngomahamba sixotshwa yonkindawo sophephela kuze kubenini ?

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#16924 - 02/15/05 08:08 AM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Ndumshy Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/29/04
Posts: 201
Loc: Hillbrow Inn
A person is a citizen of the country of his/her birth or permanent residence. That is the universally accepted basis of citizenship. That nation established by our fore fathers, uMthwakazi is where we belong, period, no matter ukuthi ubani uthini.

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#16925 - 02/16/05 11:41 AM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Skuvethe Offline
Nduna

Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
quote:
Originally posted by posh:
Eqinisweni thina maNdebele sophephelaphi? ESouth AFrica sibizwa ngamakwerekwere, eZimbabwe amadzwiti, EUK siyadipothwa. [Confused]

Ngizaqala ngombuzo kuwe 'Posh'. Emzansi, thina maNdebele sibizwa "amaKwere-kwere" lathi? If kunjalo then nansi impendulo/imibono yami.

There are said to be up to a million Mthwakazians in South Africa alone, not to mention the hundreds of thousands in other lands/countries. Yet,judging by our silence and invisibility, you'd never believe these statistics. Why is this so and what are the implications?

We are silent and invisible because of the entrenched inertia kithi maNdebele akwa Mthwakazi. The disinclination to organise and ACT is harming us and threatens our very survival as a people. As a result of this inertia, outsiders and indeed the Shona, are increasingly moulding, shaping and viewing us in the image of the Shona. In other words, to them, Zimbabwe=Shona. For as long as our inertia persists, we're going to be outcasts, a people that would rather be absorbed by other cultures than assert their own. Please read this article: UMR

Finally, if South Africans know about the Ndebele in the Traansval, why are they not knowlegeable about the Ndebele in Matebeleland?
If the Ndebele in Matebeleland are 'makwere-kwere', does it then follow that our cousins in Zululand and the Traansval are also 'makwere-kwere'? We must pose these questions to those South Africans who label us 'makwere-kwere'. Singa Jindi majieta!

FIND A COMMON CAUSE OR PERISH!!

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#16926 - 02/16/05 01:19 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Ndumshy Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/29/04
Posts: 201
Loc: Hillbrow Inn
Inengi labantu balapha emzansi, especialy laba abadala, are just slowly catching up about the going-ons in neighbouring countries. Mina ngiqala ukufika lapha ePitoli, ngatshela omunye umngani wami, owakwa Mahlangu ngesibongo, ukuthi ngili Ndebele lase Zim, wayala umuntu wafunga ngonina esithi yena ngokwazi kwakhe abantu base Zim ngama Shona bonke, amaNdebele alapha emzansi yiwo wodwa kuphela amaNdebele emhlabeni jikelele.Waphinda futhi wathi amaShona, amaKhalanga nama Nyasa nabantu base Mozambique ngabantu banye nje abahlala in different provinces (Zim, Malawi, Mozambique) futhi kuthiwa badla abantu. I'm talking about just one individual here but it tells you about the levels of ignorance that might exist ngathi lapha emzansi.
Mina ngacina ngifake isithombe seSilo uMzilikazi with a brief summary of his journey north in my tuck shop. Believe me, it raised much debate with my regular customers.

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#16927 - 02/16/05 03:37 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Mabhidliza Tsunami Gagasi Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 286
Loc: Next Door
Skuvethe,

How can a people find a common cause benze into ebonakalayo when infact they seem to be progressing in Gossip lokunyeya.

When I asked some Motswana what Kwerekwere means, they say its a meaningles word which is used to call those who speak dialects which are not known in their land usually foreign nationals, she went on to say even whites will find it racist if they are called Mlungu,Bhunu,Ngamula,Ngende,or Likhuwa.
I asked her that since I speak Ndebele and Zulu would I qualify to be a mukwerekwere she said lAUGHING, wathi kimi wena umuTebele or umuZulu of which I replied her and said you are a eMutswampiri hk hk.She went on to say the Shona's are refered to as Makwerekwere and the maPostori as Mazezurus.
Having said all this she did agree that they are those within themselves who will use such names to derogate others.

Mfowethu there are those who agree to be called Makwerekwere and those who will make themselvees appear Kwerekwere not uwonkewonke.

This is prevalent lasemazweni there are people who potray themselves with inferiority complex thus labelled assylum seekers nguwonke umlungu bona bengayisiwo just by ukuziphatha kwabo.

eZimba bekubizwa abanye abantu amanyasarandi o...vi kumbe izizwe or amah..e kumbe amasw..na by the same people who cannot swallow being called amaGrigamba or makirikiri why? kodwa what did those people do, they were so cool okuthi they knew their cause, abesimalawi babebambene bengenisana imisebenzi koBCC, AMASHONA lawo enza okufanayo barenta amagrosa emalokitshini ethu, benza bebhekelana in our own backyards thina sisehluleka ukungenisana emaNda laku City Council, where we had total control.

Nxa umuntu esemzini uyazinza akazenzi yena uminamina to the local indegenous people, the moment uzenzisa bayakusunduzela emsamo.

Everybody is the same The British , Americans, Chinese,Indians, Tswanas, even Zimbabweans, but this does not mean ukuthi akula abazijabulelayo inthose countries.Bkhona abakoMthwakazi abakhileyo eHarare kumbe eGoli without all the skimishes and nonsense, njalo bakhona abesiTshabini abakhileyo koNtuthu ,egoli kumbe eBotswana labo batshaywa ngumoya. 99.9% of abantu abakhileyo emazweni succeed because they mind their own businesses.

kungcono ukuthi lowo lalowo aziphandele okwakhe leyi yona ekawonkewonke finding a common cause ukuthi ingapasa its like the same odds of an asteriod hitting earth in 2029.

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It is better to be killed by your sworn enemy,than to be [kill] murdered by your own treachrous brother.

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#16928 - 02/16/05 07:28 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Hm? Inzima lendaba bakwethu.

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#16929 - 02/17/05 11:59 AM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Batshele Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 01/04/05
Posts: 5
Loc: Johannesburg , South Africa
Bafowethu
Indaba abekwa ngu Mabhindliza iliqiniso and kufanele siyibuke ngelihle elibukhali. Okokuqhala thina abantu bakaMzilikazi kaMatsobana, KaMntungwa sidabuka eNgulanda, singamanguni thina. Igama lukuthi singamandebele lasuka liligama esalithola amangweni ngesikhathi sibaleleke uTshaka.Sithe sifika elizweni likaMthwakazi sathola abanye abafowethu abakaMambo, sisonke sayakhe ilizwe lakaMthwakazi.
Okamanje bafowethu kasisekho kulelana ilizwe ngezizathu zamashona, akusabalulekanga kakhulu ukuthi singaphi, kodwa okubalulekileyo yikuthi senzani lapho esikhona. Uyibekile uMabhlidliza lapha ethe ukuthi ubizwani akusenandaba kodwa ukuthi as a people what is our purpose yikohna akubalulekileyo. Mina lapha ngilomcabango wokuthi njengabantu abasemangweni asidingeni imali sehlanginiseni lathi sivule amabusiness ukwezela ukuthi ingane zethu zingalambi. Thina ngapha eSouth Africa singathola amathuba siyazisana sifune imali emabank sithenge ama equity kucompany ezivele ziphila. Engilikhuthazayo khona bafowethu yikuthi asibeni njengamaJuda sibhekaneni njalo sizizane. Uma ungabheka amaDiya bahla bebizana kubo ukuthi beze lapha eGoli ngoba umunye wabo usethole ibusiness yokhupheka amasamusa. Bayaqhatshana bona bodwa, umalathi singaqala amabusiness siqatshe abafowethu and sizizana akuveleni more business sizasibana sesincgono kakhulu kulamshona lawu esikhala ngawo. Ithendele elihle likhala ligijima. Asiyekeni ukusola lokunyeya siqale amabusiness. Ngiyazi ukuthi akulula ukuqala ibusiness kodwa we need to start talking and getting together to do something, remember everything as has a beginning and the idea is to start working on it.Mina labangane sesiqalile ukuhlanganisi and we are doing very well, all started small but now we able to draw salaries from it. Bafowethu we are a minority and we will always be sidelined so let’s get together and do something.Imali ayezelwanga amajuda lamadiya kuphela. Imali yenzelwa labo abayifunayo and umuntu ofuna imali uyenza njengomuntu oyifunayo , ayi ukukhala nje kuphela.ukuthi bakubizani akubalulekanga kodwa imali yiyona eyimpilo yethu.Ngeke sidlulwa ngamashona eSouth africa. What is our excuse now, amashona asephethe izikhundla and sebelamabusiness la emzansi thina sikhona.

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#16930 - 02/23/05 04:34 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
MNTIMANDE Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2
Loc: LONDON
BAFOWETHU

SONKE SIYABIZWA NGAMAGAMAGAMA.IN PRETORIA I'VE BEEN CALLED LETEBELE OR INKATHA BECAUSE MY NAME AND SURNAME ARE OF NGUNI ORIGIN.

ATTENDING A SUTHU SCHOOL AND SPEAKING FLUENT SUTHU HAS NOT DONE ME A FAVOUR EITHER,I STILL GET THE STICK.AS A SWAZI MYSELF, I WENT TO SWAZILAND TO VISIT THE ORIGINS OF MY ANCESTORS SOMETIMES BACK.I WAS HAPPY TO BE "BACK HOME AFTER TWO CENTURIES" IN WAS FILLED WITH EMOTIONS.ONLY TO HEAR A WHISPERING VOICE- "KODZWA YISWATI LEPHEPHA LOMFOWETHU" MEANING I AM NOT A TRUE SWAZI BECAUSE I AM NOT A SWAZI CITIZEN.

PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS FIND EXCUSES TO CALL YOU NAMES.I AM NO LONGER BOTHERED I LIVE WHERE I LIKE.

YOU GUYS NEED TO ELEVATE YOUR PROFILE IN SA.USE CIVIC ORGANISATIONS.PEOPLE KNOW KING MZILIKAZI FROM STORIES TOLD AND HISTORY BOOKS.BUT FOR MANY IT REMAINS INGANEKWANE NJE.

PEOPLE LIKE PETER NDLOVU AND THE PROMINET NCUBES ARE HELPING THE SITUATION.

FIGHT FOR YOUR RECOGNITION OR STATE IN ZIM.

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#16931 - 02/23/05 05:51 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Ndabezitha Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
Kambe kayikho ukuthi thina esithiwa singa Ndebele singamagwala, njalo sibuyesibe lomhawu uma elinye iNdebel lizama ukwenza okunye okunga thuthukisa isizwe sakithi.

UMHAWU, UBUGWALA,> yizo izitha zethu lezi yikho sizahlala siyi mhambuma

kuyadanisa lokhu

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#16932 - 02/28/05 02:55 AM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Zwangendaba Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

MINA NGIBONA ANGATHI YIBUGWALA NJE.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#16933 - 02/28/05 11:06 AM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Siphepheli Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
Obuphindene lobuwula lobuwule (oops), lingixolele amalimi, hk hk hk hk.

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#16934 - 02/28/05 07:49 PM Re: We belong to no mens' land
Ndabezitha Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
Zwangs mina ngithi mhuhawu osibulalayo..... kukangaki lapha enkundleni abantu besithi kais khipheni imali sincende i bosso.. Kwaphelela ngaphi? kayisikho ukuthi omunye wahle wabona lowo ozaqoqa leyo mali esenothe kakhulu.

Kunengi okuzanywa nga bantubakithi kodwa thina kulokuthi sincedisane sidonsela emuva. kuthi kungehlula sibe sesisith ubezamani.

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