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#17009 - 10/18/05 07:22 AM Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Siyayizwa indaba yokuthathwa leyokuthatha abetshabi.Kodwa nantu olunye uhlupho lapha.Kanti uma abazali besintwini bethatha abantwana bebangenisa amabandla anjengaweGuta alempande zawo khonale,bangakhuzeka njani ukuthi bangendeli khona bona sebekhulele khona esitshabini besithi yiNkonzo?Cazululani bakwethu.
[wavey]

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#17010 - 10/18/05 08:29 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
MANGETE ANGI KUZWA KAHLE MTAKA BABA UKUTHI UTHINI.NGOBA LAPHA NGIZA KUPHENDULA KAHLE NGALE INKONZO NGI ZIMISELE SIBI SININI SAMI.NXA KUYI KUTHI UTHI WENA "YINKONZO YESITSHABINI,CHA ANGI VUMELANI LAWE MFOWETHU,BENGICELA UPHINDE NJALO UMBUZO WAKHO"

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#17011 - 10/18/05 10:39 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Hawu, unganceda mntakaBaba.Bengithi mhlawumbe leli gama elithi Guta Ra Mwari ngelesitshabini. Ngisithi pho uma lavela khonale,why abakaMthwakazi sebe phakathi.Okunye ebengithanda ukukwazi yilokhu,ngizwa bethi akufundwa Bhayibhili mfowethu.Uma ungangichazela ngingabonga kakhulu.Ukhululeke ekuphenduleni jaha lakithi.

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#17012 - 10/18/05 10:53 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
OKOKU QALA NGIZATHI KUWE.'ASITHI UNGENA I-ROMAN CATHOLIC nom i-CHURCH OF CHRIST o MHLAWUBE i-ZION'All these are not mthwakazi names.

Okwesibili.Laphana ku fundwa i =incwadi abathi Izifundo ezilitshumi nambili (twelve Lessons)
with my point of view I will say thats the Bible to make u uzwisise kahle gani ngoba lawo ama commandments akhona.

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#17013 - 10/18/05 11:00 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
okunye that u must know is akuhanjiswa muntu ngenkani lapha yana
omunye lomunye uyazenzela.uyazikhethela
uyhola ukuthi ubaba uyangena umama kangeni kodwa in most cases
its vise vesa ,

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#17014 - 10/18/05 11:27 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Ngiyabonga Makhinte.Uma kusase lokunye yengeza baba.Ngilalele.

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#17015 - 10/18/05 04:33 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Gaselomhle Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 08/25/05
Posts: 516
Loc: Buqamama
Inkolo yesiKrestu ivele kayisiyo yomdabuko wakoMthwakazi ngokunjalo we do not have questions ngabo Roma, church of christ, family of God etc because abizwa ngamalanguages omdabuko wenkolo yeBhayibhili. Pho ke iGuta raMwari yona ize ibe legama lesiTshabi bekutheni, Njalo ma uMthwakazi ezithi unguMguta raMwari akula maconnotations obutshabi yini.

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#17016 - 10/18/05 04:50 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
mninimuzi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 457
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Mfowethu Mangethe,uze weza letopic elihlala lingididanisa inqgondo.Kanti ibandla leli why lona kungathi ngelensitha,aliveli obala.Kukhonzwa njengamanye amabandla kunbe kwehlukile? Kuyavunyelwa yini ukuvakatsha khona, lets say njengaseRoma? Liqiniso yini ukuthi they dont celebrate events like christmas?Ma kunjalo how do they regard figures like Jesus Chist and the resurrection? Do they read the bible in their church? l will be happy to receive enlightment on the above questions.

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#17017 - 10/19/05 08:43 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Dokotela Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
IGuta Ra Mwari
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Ngumhlobo weNkonzo ongabizwa ngokuthi cult. Ikuluhlu lwezinkozo ezinje:

1. Ezingabali ibhayibhili.
2. Abansonti balelo bandla bakholwa ukuthi Umfundisi omkhulu, umphefumulo wakhe ngoka Nkulunkulu, njalo ungu Mdali. Bambiza ngalelo gama njalo elithi Nkulunkulu.
3. Balemcijo ehlukene lama khristu kundaba ze Khisimusi lange nsindiso. eGuta ilanga leKhisimusi bathi lilanga lesidlo, leli lilanga lapho umqali waleli bandla ashona ngalo (obizwa mai Chaza). Ngalelo langa kudliwa inyama yemvu, obizwa Mdali uyabe evunule okubomvu okutsho, igazi. Ngensuku zonezo bakholwa ukuthi uNkulunkulu washona.
4. Balebhuku labo abalithi yilo elingcwele. Njengama Mommons "The church of jesus christ of latter day saints", lama Watch tawa. Loba iBhayibhili likubekile ukuthi yisono esikhulu ukungezelela kumbe ukuphungula amazwi ebhayibhilini.
5. Kuba khona ilanga lapho abantu abangena khona "emkhunjini". Lokhukutsho ukuthi, uyangena ubonane lalowo Mfundisi omkhulu (obizwa Nkulunkulu) mathupha, umtshele okufunayo empilweni yakho.
6. Ayikhuthazi ukunceda abantu abadubekayo. Kungumthehto owaziwayo, ukuthi akummelanga uphe abantu abadubekayo imali kumbe uncedo.
7. Ikhuthaza ukuthi wonke oyingxenye lebandla, laba endele kumbe athathe ebandleni.
8. Kuba lesikhathi abasithi ngesokwelatshwa, laboo abakhethwe ukuthi "ngabelaphi" (ababizwa izithunywa), baya beka isandla sabo ku wonkewonke. Lonke liya fola lisiya kwelatshwa ngokubanjwa ikhanda lesifuba.
9. Bakholwa ukuthi amadlozi, alungile, kodwa kumele ageziswe ukuze enze okuhle empilweni yakho.
10. Abavumeli ukuthi usebenzise umuthi wezinyanga, kumbe ukwelatshwa yinyanga.
11. Bakholwa ukuthi umuntu akafi, kodwa uya "ekuphumuleni".
12. Bayahlola njalo amajaha lezintombi, minyaka yonke ukuthi bazintombi kumbe amajaha agcweleyo.
13. Bakholwa ukuthi, ku yunifomu abayigqokayo kulamandla embeswe nguMfundisi wabo omkhulu (obizwa Mdali).

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#17018 - 10/19/05 10:55 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Dokotela,uyichaze yezwakala mfowethu.Sengizwile ukuthi ayisiyo church,kodwa yi-cult.Lanxa ezinye lezi inkonzo zilamagama esilungu,angiboni bubi bokuthi uMthwakazi angene khona.Kodwa le????? Abangene bodwa abanikazi.Igama lodwa livele lingitshiye ngaphandle bafowethu.

Kodwa-ke,liqiniso na ukuth'akufuneki zethekeli njalo kule-joining fee?

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#17019 - 10/19/05 11:04 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ozithembayo Offline
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Registered: 09/21/05
Posts: 109
Loc: emhlabeni
Omunye umehluko yikuthi bona bakhonza unkulunkulu ophilayo, oya ethoyilethi [naughty]

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#17020 - 10/19/05 11:22 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
MaJamela Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 145
Loc: Emaguswini
[naughty] Uqinisile. Futhi owabo unkulunkulu angafa, kavuki. Njengoba nje ebhubhile umdali wabo, sebelwela leso sikhundla sokuba the umdali. Ngacina engakafakwa, ukhona owaziyo ukuthi how far?

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#17021 - 10/19/05 02:10 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
Kakafakwa,lokhu kulomnsindo.Bonke bafuna ukuba ngumdali,manje ukula ofun'kulalela omunye.Abaka Mtwakazi abatshiyane lale-Confusion.Kanti why amauniform abo elesikhwama sengqamu(3 Star)Kulenyama yini edliwayo eNkonzweni? Or ingqamu ngeye-self defence.

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#17022 - 10/19/05 02:22 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Bhudaza Offline
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 584
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Lingixolele umangiphosisa kodwa ngibona sengathi iqhawe lakithi uMalunga wayengena kule nkemenkeme.

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#17023 - 10/19/05 02:22 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
matshetshe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
mina ngicina ubengakafakwa ,kumbe engakazifaki umdali ,mina engikuzwayo ngama khalithi amanengi yikuthi kula ma rank ,wena ungayingena uze uphume ungazi okwaziwa ngole rank ephezulu kweyakho ,balemfihlo zabo where one needs to graduate to know or athole amandla akhona yikho okwenza abanye baphike bathi izinto esizwa kuthiwa ziyenzeka eguta bona kabazake bazibone ngoba phela bona ngerank yabo kabavunyelwa ukuzibona

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#17024 - 10/19/05 04:01 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Sibambamahawu Offline
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Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 805
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
quote:
Originally posted by Bhudaza:
Lingixolele umangiphosisa kodwa ngibona sengathi iqhawe lakithi uMalunga wayengena kule nkemenkeme.

Mhlawumbe uqinisile Bhudaza, kodwa into engiyaziyo yikuthi abantwana bomfowabo bebengena iZCC.

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#17025 - 10/19/05 04:41 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Dokotela Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
Kunjalo uMalunga waye ngena yona iGuta. Waye sesigabeni sokuthi laye waye segqoka leyo unifomu yekhakhi.

Angazi ukuthi indaba ye yunifomu yaqala njani, kodwa ngibona angani, umdali wabo wakuqala nguye owakubekayo (besese yi Guta ra Jehova GRJ)ukuthi kumele kugqokwe njani. Kwabakhona ama modifications awabangelwa yiku hlukana kwabo. Ibandla le GRM yilo elakhanya lila mandla, laselifaka imithetho emitsha.

Okwakhathesi angazi ukuthi sewakhethwa uMdali yini omutsha.

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#17026 - 10/19/05 05:11 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
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Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 584
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi
Kanje njalo abanye bayibiza ngokuthi ngeyako Matshazi? Kulesizatho na ngaphandle kokuthi bayayi Ndebelelayiza?

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#17027 - 10/19/05 05:49 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
MANDLA SIGABADE NDETHI Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 04/22/05
Posts: 83
Loc: EMATHUNENI
Pliz qhubekani zihlobo imnandi lindaba. Kodwa vele yona iyethusa nje. It's too shrouded with mystery.Kodwa ubutshabi vele awungeke ubuswele. Nanti ibizo. Lavela ngaphi abaziyo chazani zihlobo. Okhona ngaphezulu olinganise lange Roman Catholic Church, Ah! angazi angidingi kumphikisa, kodwa bengibona sengathi kutshiyene big time. ERoma phela lokho engikuzwa la akukho. Njalo, thina silwa lamaShona pho ibizo elithi Roman Catholic ayisilo lesiTshabi, manje leli elithi Guta ra Mwari, lanxa kuthiwani yiso lesi, ngicela uncedo.

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#17028 - 10/19/05 08:56 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
barry Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
Bhudaza

Kengithi ukukuqondisa kancane.AmaNdebele yiwo ayebiza esithi Matshazi kodwa ngizwa kuthiwa igama eliqondileyo ngu Mai Chazi (nxa ukubeka ngesiNdebele ngu naChazi)Ngiyathemba unaChazi nguye owayekhokhela lelibandla.

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#17029 - 10/19/05 10:01 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
nkunzemnyama Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 10/17/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Kwandongaziyaduma
Ngiyalibingelela zihlobo kungabe likuphi. Ukhona umbhali oyichaze kahle indaba yalabantu (GRM). Bengicela ukubuza ukuthi angabe esazi na ngeZCC. Ngibona angathi umehluko awukho between the two in terms of their modus operandi. Ngicelukwazi

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#17030 - 10/19/05 11:46 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Tjolotjo
Nkunzemnyama

kwangathi ubusekhanda lami, ye ncedani zihlobo ngoMphoho kaLekganyane eyaseMoriya egcwele amaPedi abagida ngamathaya.

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#17031 - 10/20/05 02:07 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
mninimuzi Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 457
Loc: EMNQAMLEZWENI
Ngiyabonga Doc ngempendulo yakho.But impendulo yakho leads to further questions,
1] How can an author of life [umdali] himself die?
2] ls it not blasphemous to worship a human being?
3] Christianity and worship in general is usually associated with benevolence,table fellowship and thanksgiving.Lengenjani engafuni ukusiza abaswelayo?
4] Manje laba abalwayo babanga ukuba ngomlimu labo?
5] Mina ngibona kungathi uNKULUNKULU NKULUNKULU ngokwakhe angeze wayithanda lendaba Doc,angibagwebi.
6] Ungabhekisisa amabandla amanengi alama intermediaries abaconnecta kunkulunkulu eg uJesu,amadlozi,Mohammaed etc

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#17032 - 10/20/05 03:09 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mangethe Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
This is BLASPHEMY. AbakaMthwakazi abaphathi kwayo
abaphume njengokuphazima kweso.Kanti bevele bengene njani? Basweleni? Abayeke ukuba ngothathekile imota yama......

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#17033 - 10/20/05 04:58 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
MaJamela Offline
Ngqwele
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 145
Loc: Emaguswini
Indaba le is very interesting. Sengezwa lami ngabasiki bebunda ukuthi ungangena lelo bandla ulakho ukuthi unothe okwamagama. Ukuthi kunothwa njani kwaz'ophezulu. Futhi ngezake uphongu vakatshela khona nje just one Sunday, as it happens kwamanye amabandla. Kukhona okufihlwayo. Kanti kodwa nje nxa ibandla lingeliqotho, kumele abantu bakhululeke nje bazikhonzele iNkosi, kubemnandi, labavakatshayo, bazivakatshele kuhle, ukuze phela amakholwa ande, abantu baye ezulwini. But leli. asazi shuwa!

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#17034 - 10/21/05 07:57 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Dokotela Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
Ngizazama ukuchaza ukuthi kwenzakalani kulinkonzo. Ukungena lelo bandla kumele ubhadale imali (angazi ukuthi ingabe inge nganani kulezinsuku).

Uzabhalelwa i receipt okungammelanga ilahleke, ngoba yiyo oyisebenzisa ukungena emihlanganweni yabo emikhulu. Usebenzisa i receipt, ma ungela CARD kumbe ungela uniform.

Ungangena uyahanjiswa ekwelatshweni, ube lilunga lenhlanganiso yabo. Ngemva kwenyanga ezintathu, ulakho ukuthatha iCARD. Leli CARD (elibomvu), ulithatha emkhunjini (ku Mdlali wabo), lapho okummele utsho ukuthi leye nhlanganiso ukuncede ngani.

NB. Nazelela ukuthi, angitsho ukuthi yinsonto. Lelo gama elithi nsonto alisetshenziswa eGuta, kusetshenziswa elithi Nhlanganiso. Kuyafana lamagama athi Nkosi, Baba akasetshenziswa kodwa kusetshenziswa uNkulunkulu, Simakade, Mdali kumbe uMninimandlaonke.

Ngemva kokuthatha iCARD, usuku luhlu oluphezudlanyana (higher rank) kulo muntu ongela CARD. Ngemva kwesikhathi ungaba lakho ukuGQOKA (kusitsho ukugqoka u yunifomu). Uyahamba uyeyithungisa kuma theyila aziwayo, ubususiya layo ebandleni iyo busiswa nguyena mdali wabo kumbe izithunywa. Ubusugqokiswa leyo yunifomu - kusukela mhlalokho - uza vele uhlale ugqoka leyo yunifomu.
Ma usugqokile, usuku rank ephezulu, njalo usulakho ukuyahlala phambili (VIP).

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#17035 - 10/21/05 09:18 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
mkhize ozikhizayo Offline
Nduna

Registered: 05/30/04
Posts: 349
Loc: Emaguswini
Bona abaqobisa la ma-unifomu kuyabe kungabantu besilisa loba abasifazana kumbe ngumdali ngokwakhe na?

Mina umngane wathi bayibiza isibhedlela hatshi insonto ngoba bayelapha.

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#17036 - 10/22/05 12:44 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Mbulawa Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 167
Loc: Joburg, SA
quote:
Originally posted by nkunzemnyama:
Ngiyalibingelela zihlobo kungabe likuphi. Ukhona umbhali oyichaze kahle indaba yalabantu (GRM). Bengicela ukubuza ukuthi angabe esazi na ngeZCC. Ngibona angathi umehluko awukho between the two in terms of their modus operandi. Ngicelukwazi

IGuta leZCC lamaZayoni kutshiyene. UkuthiZCC nxa ngibona kuhle yikuthi Zion Church of Christ, okutshukuthi ngama kristu. AbeGuta kabamazi uJesu.

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#17037 - 10/21/05 01:20 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Dokotela Offline
Nkosi
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
quote:
Originally posted by mkhize ozikhizayo:
Bona abaqobisa la ma-unifomu kuyabe kungabantu besilisa loba abasifazana kumbe ngumdali ngokwakhe na?
Mina umngane wathi bayibiza isibhedlela hatshi insonto ngoba bayelapha.

Siyavumelana lapho jaha, bathi yisibhedlela somoya.

Indaba yokunotha, ngake ngayizwa. Kodwa angivumelani lokuthi kulama sikhrethi akunotha - awakho. It just happens ukuthi abantu bebandla lelo bale thamsanqa - angazi ukuthi livela kuphi kodwa.

Akusibandla eli right leli njalo, imithetho yalo iyantshintsha - kodwa ibhayibhili lona lithi uNkulunkulu uhlala enjalo akaguqulli imithetho yakhe.

Ngike ngakhuluma nge CARD, leli CARD likupha imithetho okumele uyilandele. Nxa ushona, kumele ungcwatshwe ugqoke yunifomu yakho (ma kuyikuthi ubusuwa qgokiswa).

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#17038 - 10/21/05 08:41 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
Eish ithi ingabankulu asazi


Ngilembuzo bandla/ Nhlanganiso

1) Where do you put amabandla amaningi ningi le satanism?
2) Kulamabandla amanengi esiwabona eqaliswa a day after a day, kumele siwathembe na?
amabandla la usually they are called "Happy clappy churches"

I have noticed that many pastors from these churches corn people of their hard earned cash mihla lamalanga.
4) Ngibona njani ukuthi ibandla liqondile?
5) Amabandla amaningi sokuzinhlanganiso ze marketing ukwenzela ukuthi abafundisi bethola eyokudla.
6) What makes umfundisi ecabange ukuqamuka ebandleni elikhulu bebumbe elabo?

Imibuzo yami miningi kodwa okwalamuhla ngicina lapha, Ngicela impendulo.

Ngiyabonga

Kulebandla elinye okuthiwa yi UNIVERSAL CHURCH OF GOD leli lona linjani, the last time ngisizwa ngalo babelibeka ku satanism angazi nhlanganiso ukuthi lina lezwani.

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#17039 - 10/21/05 09:00 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
bengisateh ukuyabona abadala laphana e gwanda sengibuyile hatshi baphilile:

Ye Mangethe ukulabu hlobo ngitsho lakancane labe tshabi yikho thina abaka-mthwakazi
silibiza ngokuthi u-Muzi Ka Nkulunkulu kodwa ke ngengoba bengitshilo kumangete igama alitsho lutho,okubalulekileyo yikuthi kukhonzwa njani ,Njalo kumele lazi ukuthi laphana vele e-Sozibeli basebenzinsa esakubo,Kuthi langapha kithi kusetshenziswe esakithi,lale emelika kusetshenziswa sona.Ngike ngaya eNgilandi ngithole lakhona nxa kufanele besebenzise sona isilungu sakhona leso.

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#17040 - 10/21/05 09:12 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Yebo ke mninimuzi.
unkulunkulu wasiphendukela thina isizwe esimnyama wathi kithi "Wathi yimi u-Thixo Mdali","Sengibuyile Ongivumayo keze ongalayo maka ngale".Its unfortunate ngoba thina isizwe esinzundu sasesivele sesibuswe ngabamhlophe kakhulu yikho kubanzima ukuthi lento leyi siyi zwisise.Kunjalo nje leZimiso ziyaphuma kutshiwo ukuthi lokhu kuzaba nje nxa isikhathi sesifikile ubone sekuvela.Ngiya jabula mina ngoba phela lento le yakhulunywa ngu Nkulunkulu ukuthi "Abanengi bazangazi Ngabomabona kude ama-computer" noma nje kungatshiwongo nje ukuthi i-internet nanku manje siyaxoxa.to me it means okwamiswayo sekufezeka manje.

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#17041 - 10/21/05 09:47 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Niya bonga Dokotela!
'Ngumhlobo weNkonzo ongabizwa ngokuthi cult. Ikuluhlu lwezinkozo ezinje:"

ithike ngiku qondise lapha ku no 5 kancane:

Ebungcwelelncweleni (emkhunjini)
Kulapho omgena khona usiya bika kumbe usiyacela noma usiya Dumisa,Uyakwazi ukungena emkhunjini kule-S/Zithunywa zakhe unkulunkulu uyebeka lokho ongena ngakho.
ku no 6:Lokho kwenzelwa ukuthinjengoba sonkeni sisazi kufanele uthathe kumbe uthathwe lapho owazi khona.Dokotela ngeke uvele nje endaweni uthi wena sengilobola lapha,zathi uthi uyathi ubhekutshele emeveni.
u-no 10 ngicgwalise kancane
Ngoba phela imithi yazo ayikalwanga uyazi lawe lokho dokotela

Okunye njalo Dokotela yikuthi Ngu-Mdali,ngu-Nkulunkulu Akusuyena Mfundisi

Ozithembayo:Inhlonipho iya funakala mfowethu ngoba lapha sikhuluma ngeZulu,u-Nkulunkulu

Majamela:cha sisi Isismiso sithi sona "Angidliwa Lifa",Njalo kwakhulunywa kwathiwa ngilitshiyele amaDamu (to me I would say YiZithunywa Lezo ezitshiwoyo ukuthi ziza yelapha ziphiwe amandla)
Angikhumbuli kuthiwa ukhona oza take over njengoba ucabanga akusiqiniso lelo sisi.

Mangethe:Akula muntu ozafakwa njengoba sengitshilo.Lawe ndoda okunye uyabona ngeke uhambe ugaxe inqamu ngoba phela omunye engakuzondisa uzagwazwa phela.

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#17042 - 10/21/05 09:49 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
Makhinte

quote:
Kuthi langapha kithi kusetshenziswe esakithi,lale emelika kusetshenziswa sona.Ngike ngaya eNgilandi ngithole lakhona nxa kufanele besebenzise sona isilungu sakhona leso.

Kanti eMelika iGRM ikhona lakho? Bangingazi. So eyeMelika kumbe eNgilandi yona ibizwa kuthiwa yini?

Umbuzo
Ngangizwe kuthiwa ungaqala ukungena ibandla leli kawuvunyelwa ukuphuma, ungaphuma into kazikuhambei kuhle please confirm

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#17043 - 10/21/05 09:58 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Bhudaza:Ngiyavuma usangena lamanje libutho sibili umhlonitshwa.

Matshetshe:Akula rank lapho othi yena ulerank hayi ayikho leyo,kodwa ke enginga kutsho yikuthi
ku khona aba-Vangeli,izi-Thunywa(i have said that already).aba Khokheli,o Gosa,aBatshumayeli.youth co-ordinator,
phela ndoda ayisikho empini laphana ukuthi kulama Ranks.
Bhudaza Unatshazi yisimo sakuqala.thank u Barry

Mninimuzi:impendulo yakho ithi yona 'Isimo saya ekuphumuleni (not death).Indlu kankulunkulu(the body)ibisikhathe (the spirit is there it was dwelling in a human body of which we all no one day the body gets tired and needs to rest thats what happens)
your no has been answered already
Mangethethe ngike nga kuphendula ngaphambilini ukuthi isizwe esinsundu.
Majamela :woza sisi uzevakathsa alukho ulutho olufihlwayo
Yes Dokotela : Lemali ngeye Development fund ngoba phela akulama sponsors laphana omunye lomunye uyazisebenzela,wenzela ikusasa lakho nxa ungela sponsors who will give u the Halls none
yonke lemihlangano siyazenzela we fund ourselves.Kusukela ku mhlangano we Sithembiso (ukuphenduka kuka Nkulunkulu remember kwaku misiwe kudala ukuthi "Ngiza liphendukela emva kwama tshumi amane ezinsuku and it happened as part of iZimizo zakhe uNkulunkulu,Sekule Birthday manje ,ilanga lapho okuyisikhumbuzo sokuzalwa kwesimo/indlu ka NkuluNkulu.then Isivuno lapho othi khona uzinike isikhathi ulungise udumise konke lokho uNkulunkulu akwenzele khona.phela singa khohlwa lale mpilo esiyi philayo ukuthi siyi phiwa nguye uMdali,besekuba yisikhumbuzo soku phumula kwendlu ka Nkulunkulu.

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#17044 - 10/21/05 10:04 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Mpumpatsila:Ikhona eMelika kahle kahle almost the whole world even in Nigeria.
ayikho yonke le eyokuthi unga ngea awuphumi ,that is why ungangena uthola ireciept then uhlale okwenyanga eyodwa ,ungakwazi ukuthola isithunywa samanzi,Ngemva kwezintathu uthole i Khasi lekhaya ,ubeke usugqoka i-uniform,Nakno phela uyaphiwa le grace period yokuthi ubone,wazi ukuthi uzimisele na?ukwembathiswa umoya oyingcwele na.otherwise kube uhle uvele wembathe izembatho

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#17045 - 10/21/05 10:12 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
UJesu yisimo esasetshenziswa ngu Nkulunkulu ngesikhathi ephendukele amaJuda Yikho ngithe mina sile nhlanhla thina sizwe esinsundu saphendukelwa nguNkulunkulu ukuzosi khipha ebeugqilini ebesikibo
yikho manje sesikhululekile.Think of it when was the first African country to get independence?around bout 1960's cant remember nicely,and this is when around uNkulunkulu came around for isizwe esinsundu

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#17046 - 10/21/05 10:25 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Msupatsila Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
Makhinte

Ngiyabonga mnewethu. So uNkulunkulu walaba abase Melika uyafana na lalaba abase Zimbabwe na?

Do you have any link lapho engingathola khona ulwazi olunengi ngenhlanganiso le?

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#17047 - 10/21/05 10:28 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
ye Mkhize;Njengoba bengithsilo ,kulaba khokheli labo yibo abalibonisa ukuthi i-zembatho zakho uzigqoka njani ngoba phela awuphongu kugqokanegani uya emasimini.
Ezethi yisibhedlela(semimoya)obviously emibi) ngoba phela kuyelatshwa yonke imikhuhla ne ekhona kusukela kweye mimoya emibi to i-Flue the usualls and all the unusuals.
liyazi lonke minengi imikhuhlane ngeke siyiqede

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#17048 - 10/21/05 10:33 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Unkulunkulu uyedwa qha,kuzozonke izindawo.
well i am sorry about the Links at present there is none but i have a wish of introducing one thanks for the reminder,in this case i will have to consult abavangeli,for i-go ahead.
Ngoba phela isizwe esinsudu sesikwazi ukukhangela kuxoxwe omunye esekudeni singazani kuzaba lula ukuthi umuntu ethi nxa efuna ukwazi ngo Gosakazi avele athi search Gosakazi or Mvangelikazi Nyoni ,uyabona ke wena mfowethu.
sekuza lunga manje

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#17049 - 10/21/05 10:43 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
quote"This is BLASPHEMY...."

What is Blasphemy?
Most countries have blasphemy laws.England has an old, mostly disused blasphemy law which is rarely evoked. Pakistan (1986) and Sa'udi Arabia are examples of countries with very strict blasphemy laws. I am not sure about the consistency of blasphemy law in the USA,

Blasphemy is defined differently in different areas. In Pakistan the law is used to prevent any criticism of Muhammed, including literary and historical criticism.

In England, the blasphemy law exists for two reasons:

Because blasphemy is intended to cause a breach of peace between the blasphemer and those outraged
Because Christianity was part of common law, blasphemy tended to undermine the law
The second reason has been null for a long time, whilst the first is the topic of this page.
The advent of blasphemy
Blasphemy includes terms such as: Holy S..t, F...... Hell, Jesus Christ!, God!, etc. Some of these have ambiguous meanings, and we can say that frequently the way in which you say is more important than the actual content. It is not just swear words though. Also, concepts can be blasphemous. A short video (with a score by Siousxie and the Banshees) which depicted a nun's fantasies over Jesus Christ was banned due to it's blasphemy.

I would say ngesiko le GRM (qoute from Ozithembayo:Omunye umehluko yikuthi bona bakhonza unkulunkulu ophilayo, oya ethoyilethi [naughty] )
Ndoda this is pure Blasphemy,but maybe blessed are u ngoba ubungazi manje ususazi nge GRM

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#17050 - 10/21/05 10:55 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
ngisake ngithi ukucambalala kancane
kusihlwa ngiza buya le Twelve lessons
ngoba manje nje bengi sebenzisa okuhlala kusekhanda nge Guta kodwa ngiya bona isidingo sikhona ukuthi ngi livulele ingqongqo zase khaya

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#17051 - 10/21/05 11:38 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
nkunzemnyama Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 10/17/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Kwandongaziyaduma
Hayi ke Makhinte uyawumana siyakuzwa. [clap] (Kodwa siyabonga ukuthi u r enlightening us) Kodwa nje njengomuntu olokhe afuna ukwazi, why nikhonza a mortal human being? lesi yiso isizatho ebengicela ukuchazelwa umahluko phakathi kweZCC (laba abe Moriah) ne GRM. Okutsho ukuthi nawe la okhona u r aspiring ukuthi ubenguNkulunkulu?

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#17052 - 10/22/05 10:16 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Tjolotjo
Makhinte

from what you have said so far Msupatsila is right unkulunkulu wenu wehlukene loNkulunkulu owadala izulu lomhlaba, why?

God the creator is very clear on that issue which He gave the fisrt and outermost priority in His Law: Yimi ngiyiNkosi uNkulunkulu wakho ungabi labanye onkulunkulu ngaphandle kwami.

abeguta likuthathangaphi ukubiza umuntu wenyama lithi ngumdali? uMdali uyedwa jaha/ntombi la/yakithi nguNkulunkulu wezulu. thus very blasphemous omdali beguta bayafa bayawaqamba amanga bayafeba bayona ngoba ibhayibheli iyafakaza sonke sonile akulangitsho loyedwa omsulwa.

amagama anjengabo Mdali ,Reverend, Holy Father ngamaprerogatives aqondene loNkulunkulu but churches have bastardised them by assigning them to mortals who are mere sinners, mdali is the worst derogation from the name of God by any mortal being. this(mdali) man or woman can not make a single strand on his or head grow taller and yet claim to be called creator this is ridiculous.

madoda hlukanani lokuliphatha ngeze igama leNkosi, njegoba umai chazi lowo wafa lithini umdali ufile? eish! The creator is God and He can not die.

ngizwa kuthiwa umdali wenu uhamba phezukwamacansi lamamat kanyatheli phansi.

and kuthiwa kalikholwa kuJesu, check what He says in John 14:6 I am the way , the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me.

there are those who claim that they believe in God only not in Jesus asazi coz God hasn't sent any vision or dream contradicting what Jesus taught and said.

iguta liyesatshwa and okukuvakatsha ku-out akulamuntu ovakatshela iguta mina ngilesihlobo sami esingena iguta kakaze asinxuse kalitshumayezi phecelezi, witnessing liyichurch mhlobo bani? okufihlakeleyo kuzovela mhlobo wami gudluka kulezondlela ezibukhekhelezi zokuholel'emasangweni kasatani(Joe Mafela/S'dumo)

iqiniso lingaliphika but iguta phumani kulo it is a cult. worshiping a man, thus idolatery in it's worst form a direct provocative to GOD equating Him to a mere mortal who is ready to perish anytime jus like wena ufaniswe lomdlwane or another little creature. lomuntu wenu wadala bani ngani akulazulu yindaba bengalinisi why bengazivikeli ekufeni thus what separates a creature from his Creator.

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#17053 - 10/22/05 11:35 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Lembe:njengoba bengitshilo ukuthi umoya awufi,kodwa ke kuphumula inyama.
uNkulunkulu uthi
"Umfanekiso engadala ngawo umuntu wafana lami akusinyama kodwa ngumphefumulo"
1."Uyadalwa wena ungananzelele.Kungani usukhangela ukungazi Mina,Mdali ungela ngcazelo yaMi okufanele ubeleqiniso layo nxa uphikisa ngenxa yezimbali zakudala ozijayeleyo kukanti awuzwisisi lakancane".

meaning wena as a human being u were created by God and u never new and u wont know about it how it was done ,but now u want to know a lot about isimo sakhe uNkulunkulu,ukuthi why efana lawe (like as a human being walking and acting like you do).

2.Ngingu Nkulunkulu .Ngifihla imisebenzi yaMi eluntwini kukanti ngiveza umsebenzi wami kancane kancane ebantwini abalutshwana engibakhetha nxa ngifuna ukwenza njalo"."Ngingu Nkulunkulu u-Mdali.ngithela umoya wami wobuhlakaniphi phezu kwenu olenza liphucuke emasikweni kusuka kwenye inzalo kusiya kwenye".
could be explained as follows:He is God the almight He does his holy works as parables amongst humans.All his works zivela literally kancakancane amongst people as from generation to generation and obviously adding the Holy spiritand more knowledge to us africans(as I have said before about isizwe esinsundu.)

5.ukuhamba kwami(God) akuzwisiseki njalo kuyisimanga emkhumbulweni womuntu(like u have doubts Lembe)Imvelo le ingeyokulifaka kumaxhuku lina abantu.Kantike emuntwini ngafaka umoyawemhlabeni ongapheliyoolemizwa yenyama emilutshwane kodwa engcono kuleye zinyamazana.Umoya lo uyakhula emzimbeni wawo njalo nxa inyama yawo ingasela ncedo ukuhlala kuyo,uyaphuma.Inyama iyabola kodwa umoya awuboli ngoba uyisidalwa esingafiyo njengo moya ,uNkulunkulu.

as explained:I would say there is no much explanation here its self explanatory.

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#17054 - 10/22/05 11:58 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Sengitshilo ukuthi umfanekiso kaNkulunkulu ufanana njani lowomuntukazana nje.u-Nkulunkulu elimcabangela nje ukuthi yisimo esingazakaliyo esikhangelelwa ukuba sifana lomzimba wakho wenyama .Lokhu kukupha imikhumbulo enga qondanga ubusu funa ukuhlangana loNkulunkulu kumbe ukumbona njenge ndoda emangalisayo eyomhlobo othile."

this all means that us as human beings we look at a figure of god as another human like us and we start imagining/comparing with what if.what we do with our thinkings which obviously will lead us to a stage of ukujwayela kumbe ngithi ukudelela.you look at a 5 ft guy and a 7 ft and u think a 5 guy is worth nothing especially things like ukudiva uyabona.well thats a human thinking.

"Ngenxa yemicabango lemikhumbulo enje inengi lenu li dinga u-Nkulunkulu emaqaqeni,emkhathini,enyangeni loba ngaphi langaphi".
Madoda ukudinga lokhu kuzabe kungokungapheliyo okuloku khumbulela okunengi emcabangweni,"ubusufisa ukungithola(God) esimweni esilesithunzi"

as I have explained about human figure or pyhsic people turn to imagine ukuthi bekufane avele /aphenduke eyilokho yena amcabangela ukuthi angaba yikho khona.Ok cabanga nxa enga phenduka efana lo Jesu qho,angithi abanye bazavuma,abanye bathi ayibo nansi i-Plastic surgery.

[banghead]

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#17055 - 10/23/05 03:39 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ILembe Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Tjolotjo
Makhinte

what you said is about uNkulunkulu. my concern yikuthi why libiza lesisidalwa senyama mdali? wadala bani kumbe wadalani?

okwesibili siphe ireference yeliterature yeguta sizibalele?

njalo kumele uvume ukuthi you guys lilemfihlo ezesabekayo why lingavelei kesibone, lezindlu zenu zokukhonzela.

no offence s'hlobo sami ibandla lakini liyesabeka abantu balicabangela amakhathakhatha ayesabekayo ranging from human secrifice to satanic darkness.

abafundisi bakini asikaze sibabone betshumayela or okunye nje kuTV or a radio programme, ngoba usindiso luyakhankaswa abantu babikelane. kodwa lina lifihlakele. alixoxi ngebandla lakini as ngitshilo ngilesihlobo esingena iguta angeke athi vu nje ukuthi bangene njani inkonzo, kodwa abanye nxa bevela echurch, awu, bayaxoxa nje ngobekusenzakala. why iguta lifihlakele sengathi lingama-iluminathi or such secret societies.

uNkulunkulu uthi hambani litshumayele ivangeli liyofika emaphethelweni omhlaba, lina why ivangeli lenu lisekusithekeni?

thanks for your responses sesimele le12 lessons.

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#17056 - 10/23/05 06:19 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Khanka Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
Ndoda right now I am busy tshumayeling the vangeli le Guta Ra Mwari.maybe isihlobo /Ibutho okhuluma ngalo alikazwisisi kahle,alikabi well groomed nge GRM.Mhlawmbe he is scared ukuthi lizamethusela with all these running around rumours.
Lembe ngizaku nikeza imbali yesiqalo later ,watch this space

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#17057 - 10/23/05 08:58 AM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
Zwangendaba Offline
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Doc, ulwazi lwakho mntaka baba lungifundisile. Dlwe! Kanti kungaka okwenzakalayo.

Makhinte, ungivumele: QUOTE -
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Ye Mangethe ukulabu hlobo ngitsho lakancane labe tshabi yikho thina abaka-mthwakazi
silibiza ngokuthi u-Muzi Ka Nkulunkulu kodwa ke ngengoba bengitshilo kumangete igama alitsho lutho,okubalulekileyo yikuthi kukhonzwa njani ,Njalo kumele lazi ukuthi laphana vele e-Sozibeli basebenzinsa esakubo,Kuthi langapha kithi kusetshenziswe esakithi,lale emelika kusetshenziswa sona.
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Angivumelani lawe mhlobo ngitsho lakancane. I Roman Catholic yabuya lama Roma, abantu bayikhonza, babekhonza amaRoma. I Anglican yabuya lamaNgisi. Abantu bayikhonza, babekhonza amaNgisi. I Dutch Deformed yabuya lama Dutch, abantu benza njalo bakhonza amaDutch. Nanso i GUKURA isibuya le GUTA RAMARI, abantu sebeyikhonza. Bakhonza amaShona, FULL STOP. Omunye lomunye ukhonza lapho ehlulwe khona wavuma ukuthi USEYEHLULWE.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#17058 - 10/23/05 04:51 PM Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
ng'xoshiwe Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 52
Loc: Ezinangeni
looks like someone is behaving like a small puppy trying to catch/chase its own tail. keep going makhinte maybe you'll be the first one to catch his own shadow. wena lokhu okuchasisayo ngobunono obungakla wakuthatha ngaphi kumbe njalo lawe wakuchasiselwa ngomunye umuntu onjengawe? amaswiina avele agangile, nxa ungakhumbula bake beza lale enye inkonzo okuthiwa yi'wapusa wapusa', ang'sezukuyakhatshana ng'zatshiya khonapho lingakang'xoshi. ng'tshilo!

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