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#17011 - 10/18/05 10:39 AM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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Hawu, unganceda mntakaBaba.Bengithi mhlawumbe leli gama elithi Guta Ra Mwari ngelesitshabini. Ngisithi pho uma lavela khonale,why abakaMthwakazi sebe phakathi.Okunye ebengithanda ukukwazi yilokhu,ngizwa bethi akufundwa Bhayibhili mfowethu.Uma ungangichazela ngingabonga kakhulu.Ukhululeke ekuphenduleni jaha lakithi.
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#17014 - 10/18/05 11:27 AM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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Ngiyabonga Makhinte.Uma kusase lokunye yengeza baba.Ngilalele.
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#17017 - 10/19/05 08:43 AM
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
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IGuta Ra Mwari ----------------
Ngumhlobo weNkonzo ongabizwa ngokuthi cult. Ikuluhlu lwezinkozo ezinje:
1. Ezingabali ibhayibhili. 2. Abansonti balelo bandla bakholwa ukuthi Umfundisi omkhulu, umphefumulo wakhe ngoka Nkulunkulu, njalo ungu Mdali. Bambiza ngalelo gama njalo elithi Nkulunkulu. 3. Balemcijo ehlukene lama khristu kundaba ze Khisimusi lange nsindiso. eGuta ilanga leKhisimusi bathi lilanga lesidlo, leli lilanga lapho umqali waleli bandla ashona ngalo (obizwa mai Chaza). Ngalelo langa kudliwa inyama yemvu, obizwa Mdali uyabe evunule okubomvu okutsho, igazi. Ngensuku zonezo bakholwa ukuthi uNkulunkulu washona. 4. Balebhuku labo abalithi yilo elingcwele. Njengama Mommons "The church of jesus christ of latter day saints", lama Watch tawa. Loba iBhayibhili likubekile ukuthi yisono esikhulu ukungezelela kumbe ukuphungula amazwi ebhayibhilini. 5. Kuba khona ilanga lapho abantu abangena khona "emkhunjini". Lokhukutsho ukuthi, uyangena ubonane lalowo Mfundisi omkhulu (obizwa Nkulunkulu) mathupha, umtshele okufunayo empilweni yakho. 6. Ayikhuthazi ukunceda abantu abadubekayo. Kungumthehto owaziwayo, ukuthi akummelanga uphe abantu abadubekayo imali kumbe uncedo. 7. Ikhuthaza ukuthi wonke oyingxenye lebandla, laba endele kumbe athathe ebandleni. 8. Kuba lesikhathi abasithi ngesokwelatshwa, laboo abakhethwe ukuthi "ngabelaphi" (ababizwa izithunywa), baya beka isandla sabo ku wonkewonke. Lonke liya fola lisiya kwelatshwa ngokubanjwa ikhanda lesifuba. 9. Bakholwa ukuthi amadlozi, alungile, kodwa kumele ageziswe ukuze enze okuhle empilweni yakho. 10. Abavumeli ukuthi usebenzise umuthi wezinyanga, kumbe ukwelatshwa yinyanga. 11. Bakholwa ukuthi umuntu akafi, kodwa uya "ekuphumuleni". 12. Bayahlola njalo amajaha lezintombi, minyaka yonke ukuthi bazintombi kumbe amajaha agcweleyo. 13. Bakholwa ukuthi, ku yunifomu abayigqokayo kulamandla embeswe nguMfundisi wabo omkhulu (obizwa Mdali).
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#17018 - 10/19/05 10:55 AM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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Dokotela,uyichaze yezwakala mfowethu.Sengizwile ukuthi ayisiyo church,kodwa yi-cult.Lanxa ezinye lezi inkonzo zilamagama esilungu,angiboni bubi bokuthi uMthwakazi angene khona.Kodwa le????? Abangene bodwa abanikazi.Igama lodwa livele lingitshiye ngaphandle bafowethu.
Kodwa-ke,liqiniso na ukuth'akufuneki zethekeli njalo kule-joining fee?
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#17021 - 10/19/05 02:10 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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Kakafakwa,lokhu kulomnsindo.Bonke bafuna ukuba ngumdali,manje ukula ofun'kulalela omunye.Abaka Mtwakazi abatshiyane lale-Confusion.Kanti why amauniform abo elesikhwama sengqamu(3 Star)Kulenyama yini edliwayo eNkonzweni? Or ingqamu ngeye-self defence.
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#17023 - 10/19/05 02:22 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 115
Loc: bulawayo
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mina ngicina ubengakafakwa ,kumbe engakazifaki umdali ,mina engikuzwayo ngama khalithi amanengi yikuthi kula ma rank ,wena ungayingena uze uphume ungazi okwaziwa ngole rank ephezulu kweyakho ,balemfihlo zabo where one needs to graduate to know or athole amandla akhona yikho okwenza abanye baphike bathi izinto esizwa kuthiwa ziyenzeka eguta bona kabazake bazibone ngoba phela bona ngerank yabo kabavunyelwa ukuzibona
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#17024 - 10/19/05 04:01 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ndunankulu
 
Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 805
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
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quote: Originally posted by Bhudaza: Lingixolele umangiphosisa kodwa ngibona sengathi iqhawe lakithi uMalunga wayengena kule nkemenkeme.
Mhlawumbe uqinisile Bhudaza, kodwa into engiyaziyo yikuthi abantwana bomfowabo bebengena iZCC.
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#17027 - 10/19/05 05:49 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 04/22/05
Posts: 83
Loc: EMATHUNENI
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Pliz qhubekani zihlobo imnandi lindaba. Kodwa vele yona iyethusa nje. It's too shrouded with mystery.Kodwa ubutshabi vele awungeke ubuswele. Nanti ibizo. Lavela ngaphi abaziyo chazani zihlobo. Okhona ngaphezulu olinganise lange Roman Catholic Church, Ah! angazi angidingi kumphikisa, kodwa bengibona sengathi kutshiyene big time. ERoma phela lokho engikuzwa la akukho. Njalo, thina silwa lamaShona pho ibizo elithi Roman Catholic ayisilo lesiTshabi, manje leli elithi Guta ra Mwari, lanxa kuthiwani yiso lesi, ngicela uncedo.
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#17028 - 10/19/05 08:56 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 71
Loc: peterborough
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Bhudaza
Kengithi ukukuqondisa kancane.AmaNdebele yiwo ayebiza esithi Matshazi kodwa ngizwa kuthiwa igama eliqondileyo ngu Mai Chazi (nxa ukubeka ngesiNdebele ngu naChazi)Ngiyathemba unaChazi nguye owayekhokhela lelibandla.
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#17029 - 10/19/05 10:01 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 10/17/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Kwandongaziyaduma
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Ngiyalibingelela zihlobo kungabe likuphi. Ukhona umbhali oyichaze kahle indaba yalabantu (GRM). Bengicela ukubuza ukuthi angabe esazi na ngeZCC. Ngibona angathi umehluko awukho between the two in terms of their modus operandi. Ngicelukwazi
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#17032 - 10/20/05 03:09 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Bulawayo
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This is BLASPHEMY. AbakaMthwakazi abaphathi kwayo abaphume njengokuphazima kweso.Kanti bevele bengene njani? Basweleni? Abayeke ukuba ngothathekile imota yama......
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#17034 - 10/21/05 07:57 AM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
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Ngizazama ukuchaza ukuthi kwenzakalani kulinkonzo. Ukungena lelo bandla kumele ubhadale imali (angazi ukuthi ingabe inge nganani kulezinsuku).
Uzabhalelwa i receipt okungammelanga ilahleke, ngoba yiyo oyisebenzisa ukungena emihlanganweni yabo emikhulu. Usebenzisa i receipt, ma ungela CARD kumbe ungela uniform.
Ungangena uyahanjiswa ekwelatshweni, ube lilunga lenhlanganiso yabo. Ngemva kwenyanga ezintathu, ulakho ukuthatha iCARD. Leli CARD (elibomvu), ulithatha emkhunjini (ku Mdlali wabo), lapho okummele utsho ukuthi leye nhlanganiso ukuncede ngani.
NB. Nazelela ukuthi, angitsho ukuthi yinsonto. Lelo gama elithi nsonto alisetshenziswa eGuta, kusetshenziswa elithi Nhlanganiso. Kuyafana lamagama athi Nkosi, Baba akasetshenziswa kodwa kusetshenziswa uNkulunkulu, Simakade, Mdali kumbe uMninimandlaonke.
Ngemva kokuthatha iCARD, usuku luhlu oluphezudlanyana (higher rank) kulo muntu ongela CARD. Ngemva kwesikhathi ungaba lakho ukuGQOKA (kusitsho ukugqoka u yunifomu). Uyahamba uyeyithungisa kuma theyila aziwayo, ubususiya layo ebandleni iyo busiswa nguyena mdali wabo kumbe izithunywa. Ubusugqokiswa leyo yunifomu - kusukela mhlalokho - uza vele uhlale ugqoka leyo yunifomu. Ma usugqokile, usuku rank ephezulu, njalo usulakho ukuyahlala phambili (VIP).
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#17036 - 10/22/05 12:44 AM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Ngqwele
Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 167
Loc: Joburg, SA
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quote: Originally posted by nkunzemnyama: Ngiyalibingelela zihlobo kungabe likuphi. Ukhona umbhali oyichaze kahle indaba yalabantu (GRM). Bengicela ukubuza ukuthi angabe esazi na ngeZCC. Ngibona angathi umehluko awukho between the two in terms of their modus operandi. Ngicelukwazi
IGuta leZCC lamaZayoni kutshiyene. UkuthiZCC nxa ngibona kuhle yikuthi Zion Church of Christ, okutshukuthi ngama kristu. AbeGuta kabamazi uJesu.
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#17037 - 10/21/05 01:20 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: Emkhathini
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quote: Originally posted by mkhize ozikhizayo: Bona abaqobisa la ma-unifomu kuyabe kungabantu besilisa loba abasifazana kumbe ngumdali ngokwakhe na? Mina umngane wathi bayibiza isibhedlela hatshi insonto ngoba bayelapha.
Siyavumelana lapho jaha, bathi yisibhedlela somoya.
Indaba yokunotha, ngake ngayizwa. Kodwa angivumelani lokuthi kulama sikhrethi akunotha - awakho. It just happens ukuthi abantu bebandla lelo bale thamsanqa - angazi ukuthi livela kuphi kodwa.
Akusibandla eli right leli njalo, imithetho yalo iyantshintsha - kodwa ibhayibhili lona lithi uNkulunkulu uhlala enjalo akaguqulli imithetho yakhe.
Ngike ngakhuluma nge CARD, leli CARD likupha imithetho okumele uyilandele. Nxa ushona, kumele ungcwatshwe ugqoke yunifomu yakho (ma kuyikuthi ubusuwa qgokiswa).
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#17042 - 10/21/05 09:49 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 04/07/05
Posts: 656
Loc: Solongo Life
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Makhinte quote: Kuthi langapha kithi kusetshenziswe esakithi,lale emelika kusetshenziswa sona.Ngike ngaya eNgilandi ngithole lakhona nxa kufanele besebenzise sona isilungu sakhona leso.
Kanti eMelika iGRM ikhona lakho? Bangingazi. So eyeMelika kumbe eNgilandi yona ibizwa kuthiwa yini?
Umbuzo Ngangizwe kuthiwa ungaqala ukungena ibandla leli kawuvunyelwa ukuphuma, ungaphuma into kazikuhambei kuhle please confirm
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#17049 - 10/21/05 10:43 PM
Re: Guta Ra Mwari and Mthwakazi
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Sikhulu
Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
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quote"This is BLASPHEMY...." What is Blasphemy? Most countries have blasphemy laws.England has an old, mostly disused blasphemy law which is rarely evoked. Pakistan (1986) and Sa'udi Arabia are examples of countries with very strict blasphemy laws. I am not sure about the consistency of blasphemy law in the USA, Blasphemy is defined differently in different areas. In Pakistan the law is used to prevent any criticism of Muhammed, including literary and historical criticism. In England, the blasphemy law exists for two reasons: Because blasphemy is intended to cause a breach of peace between the blasphemer and those outraged Because Christianity was part of common law, blasphemy tended to undermine the law The second reason has been null for a long time, whilst the first is the topic of this page. The advent of blasphemy Blasphemy includes terms such as: Holy S..t, F...... Hell, Jesus Christ!, God!, etc. Some of these have ambiguous meanings, and we can say that frequently the way in which you say is more important than the actual content. It is not just swear words though. Also, concepts can be blasphemous. A short video (with a score by Siousxie and the Banshees) which depicted a nun's fantasies over Jesus Christ was banned due to it's blasphemy. I would say ngesiko le GRM (qoute from Ozithembayo:Omunye umehluko yikuthi bona bakhonza unkulunkulu ophilayo, oya ethoyilethi ![[naughty]](graemlins/naughty.gif) ) Ndoda this is pure Blasphemy,but maybe blessed are u ngoba ubungazi manje ususazi nge GRM
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#17051 - 10/21/05 11:38 PM
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 10/17/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Kwandongaziyaduma
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Hayi ke Makhinte uyawumana siyakuzwa. ![[clap]](graemlins/yelclap.gif) (Kodwa siyabonga ukuthi u r enlightening us) Kodwa nje njengomuntu olokhe afuna ukwazi, why nikhonza a mortal human being? lesi yiso isizatho ebengicela ukuchazelwa umahluko phakathi kweZCC (laba abe Moriah) ne GRM. Okutsho ukuthi nawe la okhona u r aspiring ukuthi ubenguNkulunkulu?
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#17052 - 10/22/05 10:16 PM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 05/01/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Tjolotjo
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Makhinte
from what you have said so far Msupatsila is right unkulunkulu wenu wehlukene loNkulunkulu owadala izulu lomhlaba, why?
God the creator is very clear on that issue which He gave the fisrt and outermost priority in His Law: Yimi ngiyiNkosi uNkulunkulu wakho ungabi labanye onkulunkulu ngaphandle kwami.
abeguta likuthathangaphi ukubiza umuntu wenyama lithi ngumdali? uMdali uyedwa jaha/ntombi la/yakithi nguNkulunkulu wezulu. thus very blasphemous omdali beguta bayafa bayawaqamba amanga bayafeba bayona ngoba ibhayibheli iyafakaza sonke sonile akulangitsho loyedwa omsulwa.
amagama anjengabo Mdali ,Reverend, Holy Father ngamaprerogatives aqondene loNkulunkulu but churches have bastardised them by assigning them to mortals who are mere sinners, mdali is the worst derogation from the name of God by any mortal being. this(mdali) man or woman can not make a single strand on his or head grow taller and yet claim to be called creator this is ridiculous.
madoda hlukanani lokuliphatha ngeze igama leNkosi, njegoba umai chazi lowo wafa lithini umdali ufile? eish! The creator is God and He can not die.
ngizwa kuthiwa umdali wenu uhamba phezukwamacansi lamamat kanyatheli phansi.
and kuthiwa kalikholwa kuJesu, check what He says in John 14:6 I am the way , the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me.
there are those who claim that they believe in God only not in Jesus asazi coz God hasn't sent any vision or dream contradicting what Jesus taught and said.
iguta liyesatshwa and okukuvakatsha ku-out akulamuntu ovakatshela iguta mina ngilesihlobo sami esingena iguta kakaze asinxuse kalitshumayezi phecelezi, witnessing liyichurch mhlobo bani? okufihlakeleyo kuzovela mhlobo wami gudluka kulezondlela ezibukhekhelezi zokuholel'emasangweni kasatani(Joe Mafela/S'dumo)
iqiniso lingaliphika but iguta phumani kulo it is a cult. worshiping a man, thus idolatery in it's worst form a direct provocative to GOD equating Him to a mere mortal who is ready to perish anytime jus like wena ufaniswe lomdlwane or another little creature. lomuntu wenu wadala bani ngani akulazulu yindaba bengalinisi why bengazivikeli ekufeni thus what separates a creature from his Creator.
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#17054 - 10/22/05 11:58 PM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
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Sengitshilo ukuthi umfanekiso kaNkulunkulu ufanana njani lowomuntukazana nje.u-Nkulunkulu elimcabangela nje ukuthi yisimo esingazakaliyo esikhangelelwa ukuba sifana lomzimba wakho wenyama .Lokhu kukupha imikhumbulo enga qondanga ubusu funa ukuhlangana loNkulunkulu kumbe ukumbona njenge ndoda emangalisayo eyomhlobo othile." this all means that us as human beings we look at a figure of god as another human like us and we start imagining/comparing with what if.what we do with our thinkings which obviously will lead us to a stage of ukujwayela kumbe ngithi ukudelela.you look at a 5 ft guy and a 7 ft and u think a 5 guy is worth nothing especially things like ukudiva uyabona.well thats a human thinking. "Ngenxa yemicabango lemikhumbulo enje inengi lenu li dinga u-Nkulunkulu emaqaqeni,emkhathini,enyangeni loba ngaphi langaphi". Madoda ukudinga lokhu kuzabe kungokungapheliyo okuloku khumbulela okunengi emcabangweni,"ubusufisa ukungithola(God) esimweni esilesithunzi" as I have explained about human figure or pyhsic people turn to imagine ukuthi bekufane avele /aphenduke eyilokho yena amcabangela ukuthi angaba yikho khona.Ok cabanga nxa enga phenduka efana lo Jesu qho,angithi abanye bazavuma,abanye bathi ayibo nansi i-Plastic surgery. ![[banghead]](graemlins/banghead.gif)
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#17057 - 10/23/05 08:58 AM
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Doc, ulwazi lwakho mntaka baba lungifundisile. Dlwe! Kanti kungaka okwenzakalayo.
Makhinte, ungivumele: QUOTE - _______________________________________________________________________ Ye Mangethe ukulabu hlobo ngitsho lakancane labe tshabi yikho thina abaka-mthwakazi silibiza ngokuthi u-Muzi Ka Nkulunkulu kodwa ke ngengoba bengitshilo kumangete igama alitsho lutho,okubalulekileyo yikuthi kukhonzwa njani ,Njalo kumele lazi ukuthi laphana vele e-Sozibeli basebenzinsa esakubo,Kuthi langapha kithi kusetshenziswe esakithi,lale emelika kusetshenziswa sona. ________________________________________________________________________
Angivumelani lawe mhlobo ngitsho lakancane. I Roman Catholic yabuya lama Roma, abantu bayikhonza, babekhonza amaRoma. I Anglican yabuya lamaNgisi. Abantu bayikhonza, babekhonza amaNgisi. I Dutch Deformed yabuya lama Dutch, abantu benza njalo bakhonza amaDutch. Nanso i GUKURA isibuya le GUTA RAMARI, abantu sebeyikhonza. Bakhonza amaShona, FULL STOP. Omunye lomunye ukhonza lapho ehlulwe khona wavuma ukuthi USEYEHLULWE.
Li Zwangendaba.
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