Uma ngihlaziya incwadi ezinengi zikamthwakazi zilombono wokuthi ilizwe liqamukane phakathi kube yiMaNdebele le Matshabiland. I am not sure if that will ever benefit anyone let alone be possible. Tribal hang ups must end if we are to have a Ndebele president in Zimbabwe whether in 50 or 100 years time because the tribalist coments that we make all the time will never benefit anyone but make the diferences remain distinct and marginalise the Mthwakazi nation even more, and will therefore be passed to future generations. Bantu bakithi, its high time we started to think positive and work together to solve the crisis in Zimbabwe regardless of tribe, race or creed. We now have lots of intermarriages and lots of ndebeles in Mashonaland and vice versa which shows that we are one nation and therefore one people. Regional politics will never work in any society, and ask Mangosuthu Buthelezi (SA) and think of the support Umqabuko had koMthwakazi but never succeeded. In my own view, the Mdc pro-senate group should forget it if they think they can do it as Ndebeles only except if they are only doing it for personal gains despite the fact that Tswangirai is a dictator like Bob.These guys should re-unite with Tswangson camp and fight for change in leadership except if they are now part of Zanu PF as some reports suggest. I feel sorry for the people who queue to cast their votes all these years when they are being taken for a ride. Lets be one bantu bakithi and work together to send mugabe and his gangsters packing.

well said wena kaMalandela. if you think we as Mthwakazians in this forum are desperately hanging on tribal politics, check this site and come back lezicaphuno www.zimdaily.com

Yini into okuthiwa yitribe Bryton Zulu? Yini into okuthiwa yitribal politics? UMthwakazi yiTribe noma yisizwe Bryton Zulu? Kusiza ngani lokho okushoyo vele?

Imibuzo yakho Sibambamahawu ayizwakali ukuthi ifunani. Can u pliz ask clear and costructive questions and maybe make some contributions if u have any!

Zulu boy
Wena uthi ukugqilazwa kukaMthwakazi yinkululeko yakhe angithi? Wena ucabanga ukuthi ukuphuma kukaMgabe esihlalweni sombuso ukugqilazwa kukaMthwakazi kuzobe sekuphelile angithi? Ndoda uma wena usuphonse ithawula ungacabngi ukuthi nathi sesilahlile ithemba. Thina sizoyibamba inzima, sizicandele eyethu indlela, sizilimele yona eyethu insimu, kunzima kunjalo. Sizoyibamba indima ndoda, kuzothi lapho nawe ophaphamela khona usijoyine. Lenqola yomlilo kaMthwakazi ayingeke imiswe ngokuyimibonywana kwakho okufiphele.

Zulu Boy uthi wena!

We now have lots of intermarriages and lots of ndebeles in Mashonaland and vice versa which shows that we are one nation and therefore one people.

Think again! The intermarriages you are talking about have never been an impediment to the systemmatic preclusion of the Ndebele people. Sporadic marriages are no indication of national agendas, intentions, motives nor behaviours. What percentage of intermarriages are we talking about? (Allow me to be Jazelindizayo and demand statistics from you here?)

Mugabe taught at hope fountain mission, wafunda kwaZulu e Fort Hare, has two beautiful daughters Siphiwe and Sibonile lo MaNcube. Did that stop him from unleashing the Gukurahundi terror on Ndebeles?? I am told his step mother ngu MaTshuma. Is Mugabe one family/nation with his daughters and their mother? Could that be the reason esizonda? Who knows?

Sibambamahawu, if u think Matabeleland will one day be an independent state, dream on, only u and your Imbovane Yamahlabezulu & other such tribalist groups will die-dreaming! Amandebele aphila nge 21st century sesatshiya imicabango efipheleyo njengaleyo.Honstly, Mabila how can in your normal senses use Mugabe as an example on such things? who doesnt know that Mugabe is a tribalist devil! Pliz lets be serious guyz.

Mugabe represents an interested tribal grouping in Zimbabwe. It would be naive to assume that he acts alone and that those he represents are against his actions in toto. UMugabe uyavotelwa luhlangothi oluthile consistently kwele Mzimatshe!

My dispute with your post earlier hinges on your assertion that intermarriages are a sign of a united nation and you have elected not to repsond to that!

Zulu uhambile na ezimdaily bayakutshela abakucabangayo ngamaNdebele.

Sibamba kulomunye undoda esimaziyo sonke kweleMelika wathi "I HAVE A DREAM..." and indeed you need a dream sometimes called a vision. but ngilusizi nxa njengoMthwakazi sicabanga ukuthi inhlupho zethu zoqedwa yikufa kukamgabe engafikisa 100 years which means 16 or so more years of servitude. wow! what a generation!

Has anyone suggested that inhlupho zika Mthwakazi ziyoqedwa yikufa kuka Mgabe?? Really?
I think we have belaboured the point that our salvation lies in structural and constitutional changes kwele Mzimatshe and hence the furious debates on federation and secession issues.

Mr. Zulu Boy what you have written about Mthwakazi above is interesting indeed. It is interesting in the sense that you have come to convince yourself that the people of Mthwakazi are the devils and the tribalists of Zimbabwe while on the contrary you have convinced yourself that the Shona people are the angels and doves of Zimbabwe and are therefore non-tribalist. Amazing indeed. You believe that Ndebeles are suffering from 'tribal hang-ups'(Mzwakhe Mbuli, please quote him) and hence denouncing them for their 'bad behaviour' and making an appeal for them to join their subjugators and oppressors to liberate Zimbabwe once again and be ruled by another dictator again. This is amazing indeed.

Were the black naionalists that fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe racist when they were taking the struggle to the door-step of Ian Smith and his racist cronies? What is tribal with the issue of Ndebeles taking the struggle to liberate themselves from tribal hegemony and marginalisation to the door-step of their oppressors and killers, namely the Shona people? According to your line of reasoning, you would rather prefer the Ndebeles to shove their heads in the sand like a sad ostrich and pretend that no harm is being perpetrated against them and be happy and jolly and move on with their lives in that country as if nothing is taking place against their existence. Mfowethu that will be defeatist to the extreme and if we were to continue pandering to the tribalist whims of our oppressors, our nation will be as good as a dead nation. There are serious issues at stake for our people here, more than these so called marriages that people sing about.

The other thing I found interesting in your contribution is to accuse Ncube and Co. of tribalism while you seem to think that Morgan and Co. are not tribalist. First and foremost this Ncube and Morgan saga has been tribalised by Morgan himself and his tribalist hangers-on and people like you who endlessly accuse Ncube of tribalism. For Ncube and Co. this issue has always been to do with democracy within the MDC party and the violation of the MDC constitution by Morgan after the NEC senate vote. We all know that the NEC voted 33 to 31 to participate in the senate and that once Morgan like everyone else within MDC had put this issue to be decided through the ballot box, he and the rest were supposed to adhere to the democratic outcome of that vote. What happened? Is it becoz the Ndebeles were suffering from these 'tribal hangs-ups' that you talk about that led to this division within MDC? Were those 33 votes coming from Matebeleland only that Ncube and co. can be accused of tribalism for fighting a would-be dictator in the form and shape of Morgan? Morgan has been exposed as a dictator and as Ndebeles who have suffered under the dictatorship of Mugabe, should we in our right minds support another would be dictator?

I ma not a supporter of MDC but I have always symapthised with our people in the MDC party and their relentless effort to fight a dictator that is Mugabe. It will be wrong for them to sit on their backs, be silent, support and create another dictator of the prototype of Mugabe just becoz if they dared challenge a Shona leader's dictatorial tendencies, then they will be accused of being tribalists.

Ncube and co. have become my heroes in this case. I salute them.

Zulu boy

Kulosizi nxa kuzathiwa uMthwakazi is short sighted, kumele avale umlomo avulele ukubayizichaka zomhlobo owodwa. Izinto ezenzakala khathesi are there to entrench umhlobo owodwa. Have you set down wananzelela imthetho okhona nge citizenship ye Zimbabwe?

Let me share something with you (a cunning strategy that is designed to end okwaqalwa yiGukura). Umthetho okhona uthi wona umuntu olabazali (any one of the two) ongazalelwanga eZimbabwe is an alien. At face value, kwakungathi it was targetted at abantwini be Malawi, Mozambique and Zambia. Babuya batshada labantu besiNdebele kwazalwa inengi lethu (witness inengi elise Matshobana, Sizinda lamanye amalokitshi which have a sprinkling of mixed marriages). Most of the children from these families abakaze bayefika leMalawi, Mozambique and all, but namuhla sebesaziwa as aliens, ama foreigners. Project that further, abantu abalabazali abazalelwa eZansi Africa will be affected!!

Nxa i passport yakho i expire, uthi ubuyela usiya extenda, if any of one of the 2 parents nxa wazalelwa outside Zimbabwe, uyathathelwa isithupha uphiwe esokuba yi foreigner. You know what that means? No more nduna or sobhuku and without those, kuzabanzima to get imizi, bank facilities, amalungelo amanengi ngoba we are now foreigners!

ungakunanzelela kuhle uzathola ukuthi ebatshabini, the influence of abantu from Malawi, Mozambique, South Africa, Botswana and Zambia is not as huge as it is in Bulawayo. Ngingabe ngiphazamile on this take (in the absence of statistics), but what we are seeing is a calculated expulsion and eradication of isizwe sika Mthwakazi.

Capitulation - not in my life time!

Mpthu, wena ozibiza Zulu boy. Ngithi ulahlekile jaha, yikhona nje uzibiza Zulu boy, nganxanye uphika ubuThwakazi bakho ngokusingatha ubuZulu,nganxanye usingathe ukugqilazwa ngokuzibiza 'Bhoyi'. Nxa wena uliNdebele, njengoba utsho, eliphila nge21st Century, phuma lapha uyeku NewZim kumbe okunye okungamaxhaphozi kobutshabi, uyekele thina bakaMthwakazi sizenzele.

Ngisake ngiyefika ngale ngaku 'Name and shame' ngiyojikela igama lakho. Mpthu, lokuziqakisa kwakho uzenza ongcono wena uzibiza 'bhoyi'!

KoweNgotsha,

Utsho uqinisile mnakwethu, mina mselufu ngingomunye walaba asebethwele nzima ngoba ngizalwa yintombi yoMswazi. Leyontombi ayisenaso isithupha sakomkhenkethe isibhekane lobunzima. Kulezinye izihlobo lazo ezizalwa zintombi zaseMzansi, abazali sebebizwa aliyeni, sebehlala emzansi, bengasebenzi, besondlwa ngabantwana abako mkhenkethe, okusegcekeni ukuthi yinto enzima ukuyiqhuba (Dollar supporting Rand? Impossible!)

ngikuqondise ke jahana. First and foremost, mina ngingu Zulu not UmZulu and dont be daft, boy means umfana ngesiNdebele hayikhona bhoyi fethu!. My father was Zambian and when my passport expired in 2001, I was asked to go and renounce my Zambian Citizenship even though I 've never set foot in Zambia. I did that and now got a Zim passport. So I dont know how accurate your claims are. Secondly, I've freedom of expression, so nxa ufuna ukuthi abantu bonke babe lombono obolileyo njengowakho, then awutshiyananga loMugabe umehluko yikuthi wena awulangitsho le nja oyikhokhelayo kukanti iwele lakho uBob likhokhela iZimbabwe! Rest in peace.

Hawu sengikhona mina ukhabazela uMkhize ozikhizayo imnandi lindatshana eliphupho elingeke lifezeke kuZulu boy lakuwe Lembe njengoba usitsho mfewethu mina into esengiyisole kakhulu kuwe ZuluBoy yikubamba umntwana wenkosi ngekhola wena nguwe oqale lindaba ngakho kumele ulindile yonke inhlamba uphendule wonke umuntu ngobufakazi bakho olabo kodwa ngenhlamba lokubamba kwakho lujaha ngekhola indaba yakho ukhohlwe ukuthi uyasoma.

Engibe buhlungu khona kakhulu yikweyisa uzulu ngezifiso lemicabango yabo ngabakufunayo(uzibuse)
ngeke ngikwethese igama elibuhlungu ngoba akusizi lutho njalo akwakhi.Igama engizakwethesa lona ngelokuthi akulamehluko phakathi komcabango wakho lomuntu wesitshabini.I - 21st century ngeyakho baba imcabango yethu ayifani leyakho masesisiya kwezikamagebhula.

Masewulime eyakho indima wehluleka ukuyiqedisa sinikeze ithuba thina esiphethe imhlambi yenkomo siqedise.Ubuye wasithuka njalo ngokuthi silembono ebolileyo ngakho ngikufanisa loTswangilayi othi itshumi lanye kulingana letshumi lantathu ngoba sonke ngeke sibe lembono efanayo kutsho ukuthi umuntu angaba lombono ohlukene lowakho akufanelanga uphikiswe.

Uhambelana lomgabe feya baba njalo hlonipha abantwana benkosi ungazobabiza abantu ababandlululayo(tribalist) ngoba ngezinye indlela uthakazelela isitha ngabokhokho abababulalayo inhliziyo zilokhe zibuhlungu angazi kumbe uphethe eyensimbi.


MTHWAKAZI FOR LIFE ISIKUBA SIVELE SIFANELE UKUKHITSHWA PHAKATHI KWEMPUPHU.

Wena we Ngotsha Segro,wena wenkangala Sphepheli, kanye loMkhize uKhabazela phela ..... kanti abadala babethi ma bephethe indaba enkulu engangobaba asuse omunye kuthiwe ayohlinza imbuzi kodwa abafana bekhona kwakusuke kutheni .

Futhi futhi liyazi lonke ukuthi abanye yinsizwa insizwa zingekho abanye yinsizwa insizwa zikhona
so ngithi mina 1+1 kunga ngu 2 kumbe 11... hk hk

Zulubhoyi

only those who can see the invisible can do the impossible. nxa ungaliboni iphupho it's not your problem, you are just a product of a system.

There are those who wonder why things happen, those who marvel at things when they happen, those who scoff at things as they happen and finally a group to which you do not belong, those who make things happen.

Zuluboy,

I suggest that you leave this matter to the Mthwakazi people. The act of capitulation is not an option in our noble quest for the solving the problems in our society. Unless, if you have spent the past 30 years in a grotto, you will not fail to know about the grand-plan and its effects.

I will not try to engage into a discussion with you at this moment. If you really want to make a sound contribution, read and understandthe grand-plan, visit the zimdaily website as suggested above and foremost try to use logical deduction to derive who is at fault, before making jejune and witless opinions.

The attack that you raise on Siphepheli, is simply a childish popinjay shriek, which is in view of trying to undermine his character by comparing him with mgabe. Unfortunately, you don't know anything about him, so your claims are unfounded and not only ridiculous, but garbled beyond comprehension.

ZULU BOY

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Uma ngihlaziya incwadi ezinengi zikamthwakazi zilombono wokuthi ilizwe liqamukane phakathi kube yiMaNdebele le Matshabiland. I am not sure if that will ever benefit anyone let alone be possible. Tribal hang ups must end if we are to have a Ndebele president in Zimbabwe whether in 50 or 100 years time because the tribalist coments that we make all the time will never benefit anyone but make the diferences remain distinct and marginalise the Mthwakazi nation even more, and will therefore be passed to future generations. Bantu bakithi, its high time we started to think positive and work together to solve the crisis in Zimbabwe regardless of tribe, race or creed. We now have lots of intermarriages and lots of ndebeles in Mashonaland and vice versa which shows that we are one nation and therefore one people. Regional politics will never work in any society, and ask Mangosuthu Buthelezi (SA) and think of the support Umqabuko had koMthwakazi but never succeeded. In my own view, the Mdc pro-senate group should forget it if they think they can do it as Ndebeles only except if they are only doing it for personal gains despite the fact that Tswangirai is a dictator like Bob.These guys should re-unite with Tswangson camp and fight for change in leadership except if they are now part of Zanu PF as some reports suggest. I feel sorry for the people who queue to cast their votes all these years when they are being taken for a ride. Lets be one bantu bakithi and work together to send mugabe and his gangsters packing.

You should note that whereas both Ndebeles and the MDC Shonas are against ZANU, the grievances of the two are different. Ours as Ndebeles date as far back as the 80s when these guys massacred us simply because we are Ndebele. This was done as part of executing their grand plan and they have never stopped executing it. However the MDC's grievances have absolutely nothing to do with what happened & is happenning to the Ndebeles. They have their own problems which eventually gave birth to the formation of the MDC. Are you aware ukuthi the Shona sect that has spearhearded the formation of MDC was unmoved when ZANU was butchering the Ndebeles in the 80s, that is why they never turned against ZANU then. That is why they did not ever dream of forming any political party, until they were grieved. The more Ndebele blood was spilled, the happier they were. While we suffered, to them 'Dissidents' were being rewarded accordingly,it was good riddance of some prevailing menace. If that status quo had been mantained, they would have had absolutely no problems. Ngokunjalo if today they are fighting against their big brother, wena njengeNdebele nxa uhlangene kahle ekhanda what makes you think ukuthi your welfare is their concern? What makes you think that there is a solution for the Ndebeles in teaming up with them? Shame on you 'boy'. The impression that I'm getting from your write up Zulu Boy yikuthi the nature of your problems are typical of those of the Shona sect which is turning against Mugabe & not the Mthwakazi's. Ngokunjalo yikho ulemikhumbulo le oza layo lapha. Unfortunately it is to the wrong people because thina as Mthwakazi we have our own problems atshiyene khatshana lawenu bantu be MDC.
Inkinga esilayo njengoMthwakazi ngabantu abafana lani Zulu boy who are easily blinded and hence used by Shonas to achieve their goals. Khonamanje iMDC ubungathi yiparty yemihlobo yonke eZimbabwe but if you follow the sentiments being aired by the leadership, they hate Ndebeles - period. They only recruited them in a quest to oust ZANU thru the ballot. There after if they had won, they would have flushed us off. Unfortunately we have such persons as you Zulu Boy who have an impaired foresight. Liphaphama selidume ledlula, beselikhala isililo esingaphathisiyo.

ZuluBoy

Since Nomandebele i have been waiting for people like you,before i say whatever i am going to say i suggest you send one more post so that i will know you are still around,i am waiting.pending....................

I guess the point is we should acknowledge our differences and know that we as a Ndebele nation are capable and able to solve our problems .... however what we must do is realise is the need for the Logistics behind the separation idea.....
also the question is ...is it a feasible and achievable idea... personally no im sure( its just another dream that our generation will not see ) other people will say otherwise

** We did highlight these on one of the post about the need to know our strengths in being a separate state...

***Again the economics behind this proposed isolation ..even as a country or state we should realise the need of other states for survival...***

I think the whole point is agree that we do not like each other but realise that we need each other for survival

uthi wena

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Tribal hang up must end if we are to have a Ndebele president in Zimbabwe...

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my friend zezuruboy, 't seems you don't get it. we don,t need a Ndebele president, my friend we need our freedom and criminals to be brought to justice. Tell me what's good for Mthwakazi if Dumiso, Sithembiso, John or other Mthwakazi Zanu Pf trash be made president tomorrow. This time it's all or nothing.

some will scoff at the idea of a free Mthwakazi as Ian did at the idea of black majority rule, kayivuma na imajorithi?

nice picture though hk hk.

Bakithi ngiyalibonga ngeselikwenze lapha. Ku zululiyana ngithi khwaza uwohloke jaha, engxenye ungaphaphama. Mina sili elidala ngikulindele ngithi woza ekhaya, noma sesahlala embhalwini nje.

Zulu boy

Like i said that my answer to you was pending for 24 hours you didnt even have the guts to come and answer to the quastions,i guess i will say you saw it coming ngoba ungahlokoza inyosi emlindini wazo sezikuluma ungakhali.Into leyi ngeke ilale ngingakakutsheli okusenhliziyweni yami.

First of all wisemen gather all necessary and relevent facts before they approach sensitive issues,you are obviously not one of those.I have with all simplicity and sensitivity tried to articulate my points and tried to understand what excatly is your point but i have only come up with one word,crap.

You have noticed these tribal hangups on ndebeles,what about what these people talking about"mandeere akatitorera nyika yedu".i could not believe you are undermining Ncube,Mdawini and Nyathi one of your own if you are ndebele at all,who have at least publicly told Mgabe their piece of minds,would you?Thinking for a second that ndebeles cannot do it by themselves is insanity at its highest levels.Yes if Ncube and co think that oneday they will rule shonas they are wrong because shonas will never accept any ndebele leader,so what do you call that?

What intermarriages are you talking about and how many have lasted,who can stop people from falling in love,haven't you read the biggest love story of all time romio and juliet,wheren't their parents enermies,you must be a fool that does not see what these people are upto,you are saying we should reunite with these people and help them remove Mgabe after that they will do exactly what has been doing for the past three and half decades.

Now coming to what you said to Sphepheli,that was absolute bollocks,he will never be even at gun point be like Mgabe,ngizwe ngani uthe you originate from Zambia,thats why you have no sense of belonging,ufana lezalizelwe emzini wakoSibanda,ngumtwana walaph'ekhaya kodwa nxa sekhulile uyazikhethela ukuthi uyakoyise omzalayo kumbe lapha ondliwe khona,but people like Sphehpeli have no ather alternatives,they are ndebele no compromise.Ezomdeni tshiyana lazo ziyakuvusela okunengi,if you are ndebele for sure just clear off you man of little faith.Mthwakazi will be free with or without you.

Remember,the secret to success is understanding the potatial within you and all cowards are best known for,instead of addressing their weaknesses they turn to pass hypocritical judgements to other people.

My new years resolution is zero tolarance to people like you.Sengitshilo mina okaMcambalali okungayisikufa yikuphi.

You rest in peace.

Mahlabay'thwale!

If everyone lobbying for a Mthwakazi nation has got the same views like u, who think that to be Ndebele, both your parents should be Ndebele, then rest in pieces jaha elidala. Remember we have non-ndebeles in Matabeleland like the Sothos(Gwanda), vendas (b/bridge), kalangas, Nyanjas& others in Wankie, Tongas, etc plus us the aliens (if u want to call us), then who r u left with to make your so called mthwakazi nation? stupid idea innit? Food for thought!

uMthwakazi ugoqela yonke imhlobo ngaphandle kwetshabi ngoba libuya leeeeeeeeee esitshonaland.
Ucabanga ukuthi ungadiffer sizothi ungcono cha baba abantu kufanele bekhululwe emaketaneni esambane.

Zuluboy

If you are ndebele why are you looking at things at a tshabi perspective,my mum is swathi too and i did not say you are not ndebele your ideas made me compromise otherwise.

Zwangendaba

akuncede uzulubhoyi umchazele ukuthi ngobani amaNdebele.

Zulu zulu buya sidl' amakhomane

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Originally posted by Zulu boy:
ngikuqondise ke jahana. First and foremost, mina ngingu Zulu not UmZulu and dont be daft, boy means umfana ngesiNdebele hayikhona bhoyi fethu!. My father was Zambian and when my passport expired in 2001, I was asked to go and renounce my Zambian Citizenship even though I 've never set foot in Zambia. I did that and now got a Zim passport. So I dont know how accurate your claims are. Secondly, I've freedom of expression, so nxa ufuna ukuthi abantu bonke babe lombono obolileyo njengowakho, then awutshiyananga loMugabe umehluko yikuthi wena awulangitsho le nja oyikhokhelayo kukanti iwele lakho uBob likhokhela iZimbabwe! Rest in peace.

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Usawakhumbula na lawa magama ndoda? Manje ubona angani ozavuma ukukukhokhela wena ulemibono enje ngubani?

Asazi mnakwethu!

Zuluboy

we,mfokamdala,we as Mthwakazians we have been maginalised and victimised since the so called Zimbagwe was born,who do u want to comprimise with? whom do u want to respect u and understand u?everyone has a right to live, survive,exist or die in a decent manner,these are the rights bethroned to anyone of us by our creator,Why should I negotiate and try to forge a relationship with the devel,the real enemy of my existance.Mina ngithi bafo,Mthwakazi state is my birth right,its not a benefit neither negotiable,I've got a right to survive by any means necessary.Why should I forge any relationship with Ama***** who mamed,butcherd, raped my people.Zero tolerance for all those castigators and till hell break loose,I will stay loyal to my Mthwakazi people,if there is anything, any knowledge,any joke,any wisdom,any loyalty,it will be for my own peaple.Call me a tribalistic guy.I will take it with a smile,,,...COZ FREEDOM IS COMING TOMORROW BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY,WATCH OUT REVOLUTION IS GATHERING MOMENTUM AND PLIZ,NEVER,NEVER,EVER....I SAY NEVER LET HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF.Gooday Brotherma.a.a.an.I invite U 2 take a vow now for the luv of Mthwakazi philanthropy.

we Zuluboy,Zuruman,Mzuuuuu...uru
Konje uthe udatshulwa ngamaZambia...hk hk hk hk akung'mangazi.ung'mgandane,ubhomporo,ulamthuthu,ulinkwankisi, ukuthi uzelwe kwaMthwakazi its just a taboo. U know my advice 2 u,go back a claim your citizenship in Zambia(ndola,kitwe,livingston,kafue or lusaka).Lana kukwaMthwakazi and we mean business,is'khathi sokudlala asinaso.I guess amaNyasa abantu bakini need u down there in Copperbelt to free them from poverty.A.a..aa..a..a...gh ..mani uyas'nyanyisa mpthu,buyel'khaya eM'Z>>>>>

JERICHO

Yiyo indlela owakhuliswa ngayo ukuthi nxa ukhuluma lomuntu olombono uze ukhafule . sengihle ngibone lendlela owakhuliswa ngayo . ungabe ungawuthandi umbono wakhe kodwa mhloniphe . wena nxa ukhangele loma uphupha ukubona ilizwe lingehlukaniswa phakathi just in your dreams ? asicabangeni njengabakhulileyo sibelomphathi okamthwakazi hatshi ukuthi sehlukanise ilizwe lokhu akusoze kwenzakala nomanini indluyenu igcwele ukuxokozela lokulwa . okutshiwo nguzulu kuliqiniso ngaphandle nxa liphupha loma liyengana kodwa nxa lifuna ukuba lomphathi kamthwakazi cabangani njengabantu abaku2006 not 1718


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sidlodlo

Hatshi boo lawe usuphambanisa ngokuthi siyayengana. Awulizwa wedwanje ukuthi ligama elinzima lelo yini wakwethu...kusobala ngokubala ukuthi nxa uzasebenzisa ukuthi 'ngaphandle nxa lisengana' wena uzifaka ngaphi lapho? Angaba ephambanisile u Jericho kodwa lawe futhi angikuvumeli ukuthi usitshele ukuphupha lokuyengana, hayi boo. Kanti ungenwe ntoni wakwethu? Hatshi bana lozwelo loMthwakazi wakwethu, sesakubonokukhulu bakithi kanti aliboni naa?

Njalo ungasitsheli ukucabanga njengabantu baka 1718 utshoni kanti lapho? Utshukuthi asicabangi kuhle singemva kwe sivilayizetshini kumbe loba utsholo ukuthi nxa sicabanga njengabantu baka1700's labo bantu babengacabangi kuhle? Hayi angivumi ngombono onjalo mina. ORO. Zamokunye wethu.

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Sidlodlo

Kukhanya sengathi awula m'bono munye lathi sonke esithi kumele sehlukane leZimbabwe. Uthi wena "it's not possible to form a new state." Ngicela uvakatshele this website uzibonele ukuzalwa kwamanye amazwe. Then you can come back and we will start maping a way forward lawe usulom'bono munye lathi sonke. Try and concentrate on the velvet divorce kulink le. See how long it took them. Thina we have been on this struggle since the 60s we are now focused on the divorce ngoba yiyo istage esesikiyo kustruggle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1844842.stm

Sidlodlo

Ngiyabonga mfowethu,kodwa umbuzo wami mina ngithi,bewukuphi sonke les'khathi? angideleli mfo,njalo ngikhuliswe kahle njalo ngiyahlonipha.Uma umuntu angena kuleNkundla akhuluma umathanda angahloniphi ama elders ethu kule Inkundla uthi sibayeke,njalo sibalalele? mina ngeke ngikwenze lokho mfoka baba.Each and every movement has its own youth, military and advisory wing(identify yourself).Mina I will always be outspokeni and please..please, I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.Believe me mfethu,I'lost 13 members of my family(brothers & uncles)in the past Zim era...so ungangi kathagorayizi,ngidedele ngikhulume umbono wami, at least I'm doing something about my situation.I'm drawing even your attention to this dialogue,yebo baba ngisase young...but I'lost a lot.Into engiyilwelayo ngiyayazi njalo I'm very open to anyone who can educate and show me the way foward.Ungaphindi and never uthi uyayi bona indlela engakhuliswa ngayo,don't disrespect me Mfo.I STILL SAY,REVOLUTION HAS BEGAN,IDENTIFY YOURSELF,SIZOLWA..SIPHIKISANE...SITHUKANE,NJALO SIXABANE UNTILL WE FIND A SOLUTION.ITS ALL IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ISIZWE SAKWA MTHWAKAZI....Welcome bafo to the freedom wagon,I deeply value your opinions I stand to be corrected.Its not personal its just part of the strugle.Dankie bafo....

Mkhize ozikhizayo

uxolo baba umangingazwakalanga kahle,mina yindaba angijabuli mangibona abantu abaza nemibono esibuyisela emnva,ukanti kudala sikhuluma lendaba yakoMthwakazi and ngile filingi yokuthi sesise duze la esiyakhona, ngoba sesisendleleni.I respect too much lina ama elders ethu elasungula Inkundla forum,so umuntu obuya akhulume into engiyibonayo ukuthi isibisela enva,ngithanda ukucebisana naye.Its been a long way for us to sacrifice the littly we have.Ngizo sekela leNkundla ngazo indlela if I can,pliz baba I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong...But ngiyazi FREEDOM is coming tomorrow.

Siyawabonga amazwi enu bafowethu nabodadewethu...makhul'impela, ayangikhulisa njalo ayangifundisa, okuzwayo fethu.

Okukhulu asifundeni ukuthi nxa umuntu ekuliNkundla ayisikhukuthi uyadlala lapha, ye mhlawumbe bakhona abalesikhathi sokudlalisa, kodwa ngokwazi kwami sonke sibhizokumangalisayo, abanye bayasetshenziswa ngendle'eziphansi bezamukudinga i Rand, i Pound, i $Can, kunye le US$. Kubuhlungu ungalalela abantwana besilo be naretha their situations, soke okungaba lula ayisikho kuthi babuye kuNkundla bazodlala, hayi okukhona uzakuya dinga lelo sheleni loba abuye kunkundla eze sthrathejaiza labanye...yikuphi kwakhona? Kusegcekeni bobaba nabomama.

Into nansi asakhaneni, akukho muntu ongaphambanisiyo, kodwa nxa nga singananzeleli impendulo zethu, ayaaa, ifa ngakithi. Silapha bazali, nalezi yuthi zethu hk hk (abafana abalomlilo hatshi asisoze sabathontisa laba bafana, kodwa sizohlalanibhobho siqondisane, phela ngabethu sizobalahla ? Nkani sizobatshela shhhhhhhh!! thula awusenzwukuthi uyaphi, aphendukesiporweni), silapha ngalinye, ende linyezwi. Ungezwa abantu bezikhipha inhlamba, ayisikhukuthi yinhlalayeza,loba ukuthi bakhuliswa njalo, hayi boooo ngumumo bakithi, like what the others have just alluded to, sesihleli kakhulu sikhulumisana labakaMthwakazi, sesiyazi into esingayo, soke abanye bangaba batsha kuliNkundla kodwa bafike bewubona umbono wabanengi, kuzekuthi abanye baqalise besadinga indawo yokuma kiyo siyatshiyana mahlabezulu, asihloniphaneni, singatshelani amagama, liyakubona khonokho, simunye (ngisayikhumbula ibhasi yekhaya eyayibhalwe esiphaqeni ukuthi SIMUNYE), yiso leso.

Umuntu angangena efuna ukusikhipha ku Equilibrium thina besesizwisisana, kuyacunula munyesikhathi. Yikho ubona lamajaha lezintombi zethu ze yuthi lezi hk hk zikugcwala...ayisikhukuthi zakhuliswa njalo hayi phepha baba ayisikho. Njalo ukufunda singakufaki phakathi ngoba nxa ufundile awufundanga nxa ungenzi kahle, hayi singakukhangeli okokufunda, kanti kuyini ukufunda? Ophu!!! sifuna abantu abakhisizwe sakwethu, abalembono, konke okuzakhulisa uMthwakazi. Masiyephambili bakhethu. UXOLO labana abazamukisi dhistraktha, asiyisiyolaboke, siyananzelela lapha mdala.

Ngiyabonga bafowethu ngempendulo zenu.Particular mention ka jaha u Jericho lo Mkhize Manyathela unyathele khona mpela, lani lonke bakithi, lawe sidlodlo lungisa nxa usekhaya pulizi, ngiyawaswelayinkulungwane ngabe ngiyalibongake kuhle, hatshi phephani bafowethu hayi siyakhula.

KoGodlwayo sijwayelukuthi nxa singakhuthana lomakhelwana, ngimnxuse siye donsa amabili loba amathathu phetsheya komfula emagrosa sixolisana, asambeni mani hk hk

Asibambeni kanye kanye khona kuzakubalula. bafowethu uba ngikhulume kabi ngiyaxolisa njengoba uGO...... ETSHILO WATHI KULABADALA NJALO AKUDLALWA KADE SAXOXA MANJE SIHLANGANA KUPHI BOBABA. ABAFUNDILEYO BATHI THINK AND TAKE ACTION LET US DO IT . NGINGALIHAMBELI PHAMBILI LOMFOWETHU I jericho nna ngikukhulumele kabi mayuyu baba .

l do not in any way despise the idea of an autonomous mthwakazi state but how realistic and archievable is this dream of ours ? are we not behaving in the manner of the BNP griffins who harbour a wishful idea to ethnically cleanse Britain of any foreigners?

Supposedly we do attain the total emancipation of the mthwakazi kingdom, are we not going to further or addtional autonomous states breakig away from the mthwakazi state eg the kalangas. the vendas, and the tongas.Honestly with the growing sense of tribal identification and cohesion of our kalanga neighbours cracks will appear sooner rather than later

The historic mthwakazic state was built largely through the military mightness of my forefathers, military supremacy was the chief reason why the indegenous population was co opted to form the greater mthwakazi state it was purely founded on subjugation.The subjugated indegeneous population though coopted into the state were in no way afforded equal privilidges accorded to the main nucleus of the ndebele society.My question is will the present day kalanga , venda and tonga folk view themselves as mthwakazi or its just a figment of our own imagination.

Present day zimbabwe has undergone tremendous metarmophosis, minority tribes are no longer shy to show their pride and joy in being who they are.

Sidlodlo, ngiyawabonga amazwi akho ungadinwa lakusasa! Jericho really needs psychiatric help becoz no one in their normal senses could produce such diarrhoea in front of all the Mthwakazi people! Seek emmediate help Jericho, pliz. If Umthwakazi thinks Jericho's verbal diarrhoea is good for this site and Umthwakazi, then there is no need to lobby for such a state becoz uzulu will start calling for its arbolition as soon as it come into existence (in dreams of course!) as lack of democracy will be at its lowest!

mmhhh asazi bakithi kunzimaa

Sidlodlo

Ngiyabonga ngombono wakho wethu. Hatshi labana abathi hee lokhu lalokho.. bakithi akuyisikho ukuthi silapha nje yikuthi sithi siyanyisana loba ukukhawulisana, hayi, sizamukwakha, soke ngikubonga kakhulu ngolimi olusebenzisileyo apha, uxolisa, laye u Jericho uyazizwela. Ukuxolisa kwakho kuyasisiza abanengi. EMthwakazi wethu.

Zulu Boy

hayi ndoda akulwiwa ngitsho, njalo akulasihudo lapha koMthwakazi, yizigwexa mnakwethu kuyatholakala ukuthi abantu bengakuzwisisi besebesebenzisa amagama mhlawumbe alukhuni ukuwezwa. Phepha bakithi. Asidonseni kanye kanye bakithi. Mukhululumsebenzi.

Sister H

Siyawabonga awakho. Kodwa khangela phela akula figment of our own imagination ekhona lapha. Siyazama ukwakha dadewethu, angazi siyaphosisa kukuphi, kodwa siyazama, kunzima nje kodwa hawuu amaphupho lawo azakuba yikho mpela ngolunyusuku.

Kulolu daba bakithi asizameni ukuba khonstrakhithivi, singadilizani, singabulalani izinhliziyo, mina ngisakhumbula ngisatshaya i 1500m e Matopo nxa kwakungelabo abangani abangikhuzayo bengipha amadlabuzane, ngangivele ngizingenisa kubo nhamba 2 loba 3 ukwenzela bangikhuze phela. Mina bayabe bekwazi ukuthi ngangiyathanyela kodwa ngizitshiyise nje ngibadinga, bazavungama nxa sengizitshiyisa besengidonsa imhlola. So asisebenzeni sincedisana, siwina siwinele isizwe hatshi uzibani.

Ngibongile mahlabezulu.

Wena Mahlaba????UfunA UKUNGIJWAYELA.JUST BCOZ I SEE THINGZ FROM A REALISTIC POINT OF VIEW AND DONOT AGREE WITH YOUR NARROW MINDEDNESS.Zulu Boy this forum kaMthwakazi does not take kindly to people who see thingz differently. i find it extrmely disturbing that when someone ask auestion like you have done abantu do not have the decency to answer without resorting to mud slinging and verbal venom.I would expect that of women but not men. Maybe i am right Mahlaba with the likes of you no wonder i think this Mthwakazi thing is just and will remain a dream. Can you imagine leaders like wena. I dialogue is the key not ukuthethisa abantu ngobawena you want them to see thingz your way. Shame!!!Politics ayifani leshabini you have to accept ukuthi abantu will not always agree with you and take it upon yourself to convince them to identify with your cause NOT ukupesuka nje uphakamise izidwaba. Put your handbag down Mahlaba , UZulu was just asking a question and expressing a view that many people out there have. Can we pliz have intelligent ,knowledgable intellectuals answer questions hayi abantu abanyiwe yishift taking their frustration on us

Zulu boy

angiguli bafo,dreams do comes true, kuzocaca

Bakwethu

Ngiyalicela bakithi lingaphoselani amagama kuliNkundla, ayisiyo ndlela yakhona.

nxa omunye wakho angakucunula kanti angithi singabhalelana ngasese silungisisigwenxa naa?

Akeni sakhane bakaMthwakazi. Kanti kungeneni laphekhaya? Mayuyu boo.

Besengibonile ukuthi abantu sesiphephisana, kube kuqondile lokhwaa, asenzeni njalo, pulazi sincedisane, kuyimvama sibili ukukhuthana enkulumweni. Asingeke sithwalelane langemkhonto siyebulala zhii imuli yomunye wethu, xolanini badala. Kambe kungaba ekhona ovoxayo nje ekholisa ukubona sithuzana yini? Thina siyakuvuma naa?

Akeni sithi dhiritshi, sibuyele muva mbijana, sibalekelibhanga leli. Shuwa singakwenza singazitshela siyenelisa ukukhuzana.

ASIMANYANENI BAKWETHU.

Vele kuyimvama njengoba ngitshilo; abantu kabakhuthani bafike ekuthwalelaneni induku ngomlomo nje kuphela, izigwenxa zikhona bantu.

Pholisani imimoya yenu.

The idea of an autonomous Mthwakazi state doesn’t imply tribalism. If someone can think in those lines definitely he’s out of line and lacks a vision of this struggle. Mthwakazi is for the people of Mthwakazi and does welcome other people who want to share our views of a better living.

Mthwakazi does comprise of many tribes/languages as we all know. We don’t want to segregate or discriminate people according to their tribal back ground or languages. We want to accommodate all languages and that’s the main reason for this struggle. We want every child to read, write, listen to the radio and watch TV in his own language. We know that this is possible if we cherish freedom and respect the needs of other people.

We choose people according to their values not tribe/language. Joshua Nkomo was a Kalanga and we all supported him in every way though in the end he betrayed us. The blame doesn’t fall on him alone; it falls on all the ZAPU leaders of that time. It’s not a matter of tribe or language here. It’s the personal qualities we cherish most.

It also doesn’t mean that Mthwakazi would be a one party state. We welcome opposition from every corner because we know it’s healthy. And Mthwakazi would encourage formation of opposition parties. It doesn’t mean that we fight against each other. It simple means that, there would other people observing us and seeing if we’re going the right direction.

Every tribe/language has a right to share the riches and benefits of this country. If one tribe is not content, it has the democratic right to express its concern. This is the world we want to create where there’s justice, freedom of expression and a safe haven.

ngiyethemba wonkumuntu wakoMthwakazi uyazi ukuthi sabandlululwa kusukisela i ZIM ithol' uzibuse, kuyangimangalisa ukuzwa umuntu ethu ukukhulul' uMTHWAKAZI yinto engalunganga esifananisa lo BNP, THINA SIFUNA UKUZIBUSASODWA. AKALIQUNYWE LELIZWEPHAKATHI, ngoba lababantu basempumalanga abasebenzekilabo khangela lamhlanje o tshangido sebezipha izihlalo, sebebullilizwe, babulala yonkinto,

ngiyalikhuthaza ukuthi asibambaneni silwise sizi khulule kulababantu basempumalanga