UKHONA YINI UMEHLUKO PHAKATHI KOKUTHETHELA LOKUSONTA? BANDLA EKELIPHAWULE LAPHA.

UKUSONTA LOKUTHETHELA
Leyindaba elula kodwa inengi labantu babasuka bagxanguze futhi baphaphaleze
into nansi mntakababa:
ukuthethela kusekholweni lwabakhohko , isintu ikantu nxa sikhuluma ngokusonto siyabe siphawula amakristu.Ikanti njalo amakristu ayacela intethelelo ngendlela yawo.
Ngalokho ke ma singathathi amabala amabili mhlawumbe ngithi amasiko, loba imikhubo yenkolo ezimbili sizame ukuzibophanisa.
Ungizwe kahle ngo nxa sihluzisisa lindaba ukuthethela lokusonto kokubili kuwela ngaphansi kwesihlala sokholo.Kuphinde kufane.
Ngiyakwazi ukuthi lawe uyakwazi khonalokho.
Ngicela singabi njengamakhiwa abathi nxa beqamba ama- world religions batshiye ukholo lwabokkhokho...isintu, amadlozi phela. Uyake uzibuze nje ukuthi why iAfrican Synod yabafundisi bamakhatholika ngama 90s yacina isivumelane lokungenisa isintu endleleni yokukhonza...'Inculturation'

Otherwise Thsitshi nana!

Akulamehluko. Kokubili yindlela abuntu abehlukeneyo abazi reconciler ngayo to the unknown and the transcendental. Both are equally valid/invalid.

Noma isiKristu siclaimer ukuthi uJesu nguye yedwa indlela yokuyakuNkulunkulu akulamumuntu okwaziyo lokhu ngeqiniso. Its a mere belief and no matter how sincere you are in your belief no one at this time can be 100% certain - this applies to all belief systems.

Those who think they are certain are fanatics and are a danger to themselves and society at large.

Bafowethu.

Mhlawumbe singaqala ngokucela AMAKIRISITU achasise ukuthi ukuSONTA yikwenzani, njalo kwenziwa njani.

Abafuna ukwazi ukuthi ukuthethelwa kwenziwa njani ngake ngakubeka ekhasini elithi Amasiko Ethu.

Singazibona zombili lezi zinto sizabalakho ukubona ukuthi kulomehluko loba awukho na.

Li Zwangendaba.

Phela abasontayo ngabakhonza ngensonto pho abakhonza ngeSabatha elihle bona labo siyabavumela na ukuxoxa kule indaba?

Ukusonta, Ukuswenka, akucece siye esontweni, siyesonta, Asihambenini siyesonta Unkulunkulu hk hk hk hk.

Bafowethu.

Ngicindezele okubekwe ngubaba u Siphepheli.
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Phela abasontayo ngabakhonza ngensonto pho abakhonza ngeSabatha elihle bona labo siyabavumela na ukuxoxa kule indaba?
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Angisoke ngitsho ukuthi osontayo kulabo bobabili ngubani, ngoba ngili ""Heathen"". Kodwa asiyibambisaneni le INDABA ukwenzela ukuthi sibone umehluko lokufana nxa kukhona phakathi kokusonta loku thethela.

YIKHO bengicela ingcazelo ukuthi khona ukuSONTA yikwenzani njalo kusenziwa njani.

Li Zwangendaba.

Njengoba esekewatsho uMahlaba, ibala elithi "sonta" kuzwakala sengathi limele u "khonza", kungasenani uzacaca uMzinyathi, ngeze simlawulele. Ngizazama ukuchaza ukukhonza in the context of Christianity. This in simple terms is worshipping God and believing that the Bible is his word. I know one is bound to question ukwanda kwezinkonzo lezinkolo kodwa zonke zizibiza ngokuthi zingamaKrestu akholwa iBhayibhili, lokhu kubangwa yikutshiyana ekuzwisiseni and interprting the scriptures.

Yebo Mthwakazi.kanti kwenzakalni enkindleni kazulu.Ukusonta vele lulimi bani? Kutsho ukuthi lokhe sayethuselwa ngesibhamu kwathiwa funda ibhayibhili lalamhlanje lokhe singayehlukanisi igama isonto which simple means SUNDAY.KANTI VELE KUHAMBELANA NJANI LOKUTHETHELA NJALO NGOBA LAPHA INTO EKHONA YIKUTHI ISONTO LILANGA ELI FANANISA LOMVULO,SO UMA USITHI UYA ESONTWENI NGISUKA NGIDIDEKE UKUTHI VELE KUTSHONI.

Mthwakazi ngibona ingathi kufanele sizame ukuhluza elinye igama Lange SUNDAY NGESILUNGU,SILIBIZE NGOLWIMI LWETHU MHLAWUMBE SINGA YEHLUKANISA UKUSONTA LOKUTHETHELA JUST BECAUSE UKUSONTA IS A SIMPLY WORD /PHRASE TAKEN FROM SUNDAY OF WHICH IS NOT OUR OWN LANGUAGE.
MTHWAKAZI AKELI QOQANE SIKHETHE ELINYE ILANGA NGAPHANDLE KWESONTO SILUFAKE ELIMINI LWETHU.AKUGUQULWE ASIPHUMENI EBIGQILINI ASETHANDENI AMASIKO ETHU LOKHOLO LWETHU HATSHI OLUKUZA ESINGALBUFAKAZI LALO.
AYIHLAFUNWE MPELA.

Bafowethu.

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Njengoba esekewatsho uMahlaba, ibala elithi "sonta" kuzwakala sengathi limele u "khonza", kungasenani uzacaca uMzinyathi, ngeze simlawulele. Ngizazama ukuchaza ukukhonza in the context of Christianity. This in simple terms is worshipping God and believing that the Bible is his word. I know one is bound to question ukwanda kwezinkonzo lezinkolo kodwa zonke zizibiza ngokuthi zingamaKrestu akholwa iBhayibhili, lokhu kubangwa yikutshiyana ekuzwisiseni and interprting the scriptures.

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Kuzwakala, hatshi bafowethu, asilibekeni ukuthi litshoni. Singafuniseli. Yikho okwenza labo ozobaphakulela ulwazi basale bedidene. Bathi sebeluqhubela phambili lolo lwazi bengezelele, loba banciphise ngoba kubo KUZWAKELE ANGATHI.

Asiqaleni khonapho indaba ihambe iqondile.


Li Zwangendaba.

Bafowethu.

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Njengoba esekewatsho uMahlaba, ibala elithi "sonta" kuzwakala sengathi limele u "khonza", kungasenani uzacaca uMzinyathi, ngeze simlawulele. Ngizazama ukuchaza ukukhonza in the context of Christianity. This in simple terms is worshipping God and believing that the Bible is his word. I know one is bound to question ukwanda kwezinkonzo lezinkolo kodwa zonke zizibiza ngokuthi zingamaKrestu akholwa iBhayibhili, lokhu kubangwa yikutshiyana ekuzwisiseni and interprting the scriptures.

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Lokhu kubangwa YIKUTSHIYANA EKUZWISISENI and INTERPRITING the scriptures.

Angazi kumbe ngikuzwisisile lapha??? There can only be one interpretation to THE ONE AND ONLY WORD of THE ONE AND ONLY "GOD". Otherwise nxa esemanengi ama "ZWISISING and INTERPRITING" of the same message, aahhhh, angazi.

Asiqondiseni indaba ekuqaleni kwayo. Singabiki IMBIBA sibike IBUNZI.


Li Zwangendaba.

("Angazi kumbe ngikuzwisisile lapha??? There can only be one interpretation to THE ONE AND ONLY WORD of THE ONE AND ONLY "GOD". Otherwise nxa esemanengi ama "ZWISISING and INTERPRITING" of the same message, aahhhh, angazi."))
It is a fact that cannot be disputed ukuthi there is only one CORRECT meaning & interpretation to the scriptures, however it remains a fact ukuthi lapha emhlabeni we have many interpretors and interpretations to the scriptures some of which are definitely wrong but they are there and have given birth to the numerous churches that we see today, all of which claim to believe in the same Bible. If you want to experiment on that thro a scripture ku-forum and let pple explain the meaning thereto, you will be suprised at the different interpretations you are likely to get. Alternatively to make your life easier go to the topics- Guta RaMwari, & ukukhuluma ngezindimi which have been discussed in this forum ubone umehluko okhona ekuzwisiseni imibhalo. You will discover ukuthi pple have come up with different doctrines from the same scriptures which have led to the formation of churches with different beliefs though reading the same Bible.("Kuzwakala, hatshi bafowethu, asilibekeni ukuthi litshoni. Singafuniseli. Yikho okwenza labo ozobaphakulela ulwazi basale bedidene."))
Like I said b4, soze ngimkhonyele uMzinyathi ekuthini ube nga esitshoni ngebala elithi "ukusonta". Uba kulendingeko yokuthi achaze njalo eloyisa ukukwenza lokhu, uzalichasisa lelo gama. Ngaphandle nxa ekhona oleqiniso ukuthi kunga kutshiwoni ngalo. Kodwa ke ngokubona kwami uba sesixotshana laleli gama sesibalekela indikingqobo yombuzo. I'm convinced ukuthi umbuzo udinga umahluko phakathi kwe-traditional practice yokuthethela and christianity eyeza labelungu.

mina angiyiboni indingeko yokudinga ibala lesindebele ukuthi si-replace ukusonta.amabala anje atshengisa inguquko endimini.phela ukusonta yinto eyayingekho kudala okutsho ukuthi olimini lwethu ibala lelo lalingekho.
so kalihlale linjalo ngoba saliboleka.sesantshintsha kwenela ngoba alisafani lonina walo wesilungu.
nxa sizafuna ukuntshintsha wonke amabala ngalesisizatho phela sizantshintsha o - tafula, imota, ibhasi, umtshina etc

Bafowethu.

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It is a fact that cannot be disputed ukuthi there is only one CORRECT meaning & interpretation to the scriptures, however it remains a fact ukuthi lapha emhlabeni we have many interpretors and interpretations to the scriptures some of which are definitely wrong but they are there and have given birth to the numerous churches that we see today, all of which claim to believe in the same Bible.
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This is where my point is. If this "GOD" wants his to get to the lost SHEEP, why should it be so complicated to understand his message to the point that there are MANY INTERPRETATIONS, MANY CORRECT MESSAGES, MANY MESSANGERS??????????

Are these MESSANGERS sent by him??????????

If some of them are not, how DOES ZWANGENDABA KNOW who is the TRUTH of all of them. Each one will claim to be the ONE and CORRECT interpretation. Khona vele kuyabe kutolikwani into imele ibe segcekeni okomsila wembuzi??????????

There is lack of FORESIGHT on the part of the SENDER.

Li Zwangendaba.

There is only one God, he is the one who so loved the world and gave his only begotten son to die for us, so that we can have a relationship with him. the only way to khow God is through his Son Jesus Christ. By confessing with our mouth that Jesus Christ is the son of God and believing in our hearts we will be saved. After that the Lord will reveal Himself to us if we really desperate to know who he is.

Yebo angali ukuthi zinengi inkolo zesikristu, okobaluleke kakhulu yikuthi wena uyamvuma a uJesu kumbe hathsi? akukho muntu ofoswayo its a free decision for all.

Bafowethu.

Ungamvuma besekusenzakalani??????????

Li Zwangendaba.

Bafowethu.

Kawuboni ukuthi lawe ungene njenge Messanger lapha coccoo??????????

Uthi there is only one "GOD". Awukaphenduli loyo owesibili othi ngu Jesu. Awukaphenduli umbuzo wakuqala engxoxweni eseNkundleni owokuthi, "UKUSONTA kuyini, njalo kwenziwa njani?".

Usuvuse enye i CORRECT TOPIC within a Topic. Kuzaphambanisa ngoba asisoze sithole impendulo eqondileyo. Yikho omunye laye uzabuya leyakhe i CORRECT MESSAGE which is out of topic. Siqhubeke siphikisana ngento entsha indaba esemqoka ilokhu ingaka phendulwa.

Tshela mina Cocco.

Li Zwangendaba.

Zwangendaba, it seems kukhon' onqonqozayo enhlizyweni yakho, plz let Him in, ungamvaleli phanndle plzzzzzzzzz..

Ungamvuma you are guaranteed an everlasting life, thanks for asking about that. Okwesibili ukusonta its a process whereby a believer constantly meets with other christian believers in order to develop spiritual growth and promote unity. kulapho abazalwan bafundisana ibhayibheli, bekhuleke ndawonye kunye le counselling on related issues. Ukusonta doesnt mean that you dont enjoy life, coz most pple have wrong assumptions on christians.But i want to tell you that you are free to do anything as a christian as long as you have self controll in order to avoid sinning. Just like all beliefs, esikhristwini there is a bible of which christians must live according to, I am aware that noone is perfect in this world, but genuine christians really strive to live according to the bible. hope your questions are answered now......I wonder if you ever had about the holy trinity; thats the Father, Son and Holyspirit. Angizange ngithi UJesu ngowesibili.UJesu(SON of)yindodana kabab(GOD.
kodwa ke lithi ibhayibheli no one comes to the father except through His Son Jesus who is the way to the truth and the life... If you still not sure, plz dont hesitate to ask hey!
God Bless you

ngiswele ukuthi udaba lolu ngilufake ngaphi ha ha asazi kunzima ke bantu bakithi hk.


AYIPHELI imihlolo eTsholotsho, nanku phela labazalwane sebegamulana, kube kanti yibo abantu esibakhangelele ukuthi baphila impilo eziqondileyo. Indoda ebizwa ithiwa nguSiqondani Gumbo eleminyaka engu20 igamule umzalwane wakhe endleleni bevela enkonzweni ngoba ethi umthathele intombi yakhe.

Indoda le, imiswe phambi komthethwandaba weTsholotsho ngoLwesibili kuliviki. Umtshutshisi walelicala uMnumzana Simbarashe Banda utshele Inkundla ukuthi ekupheleni kwenyanga edlulileyo, uGumbo wayehamba lomunye umzalwane wakhe uMnumzana Peter Nkomo bebambisane umango besiya emakhaya abo emva kwenkonzo.
Akwaziwa ukuthi indaba yentombazana yavuka njani kodwa kukhaya akusazange kwaba kuhle ngoba kwaba lokuntshintshana kwamanzi ayengamnandi okwacina kubangela ukulimala komunye wabo.
Ngesikhathi amadoda la elokhu esilwa kukhanya uGumbo wabona amazwi engasamncedi wasethatha ihloka wagamula uNkomo engalweni esandlelni sokudla.
Into emangalise abantu abanengi ngalelicala yikuthi kambe ihloka lavela ngaphi njengoba amadoda la ayengabantu ababevela enkonzweni?
Eselimele uMnu Nkomo, kulapho abanye abantu abaqala khona ukuyingenela lindaba ngoba bebona ukuthi kungacina sokuyingozi enkulu kulalokho osokwenzakele.
Sebemile ukulwa, uMnu Nkomo wasiwa esibhedlela ukuze ayekwelatshwa ingalo yakhe kodwa ke yona ivele isizahlala isilobulima obuthile emva kokuganyulwa kabuhlungu akwenziwa ngumzalwane wakhe.
Ezinye izakhamizi zahle zakubona kungcono ukuthi iyebikelwa amapholisa lindaba, ukuze isikliwi lesi sibotshwe njengoba sasesigamule eyinye indoda angathi sigamula isihlahla.
Lokhu kwahle kwabangela ukuthi uMnu Gumbo abotshwe. Umantshi kulinkundla uMnumzana Abednico Ndebele ugwebe uGumbo inyanga ezingamatshumi amathathu esentolongweni.

Bafowethu.

Ngincindezele okubekwe ngu Cocco:
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Zwangendaba, it seems kukhon' onqonqozayo enhlizyweni yakho, plz let Him in, ungamvaleli phanndle plzzzzzzzzz..

Ungamvuma you are guaranteed an everlasting life, thanks for asking about that. Okwesibili ukusonta its a process whereby a believer constantly meets with other christian believers in order to develop spiritual growth and promote unity. kulapho abazalwan bafundisana ibhayibheli, bekhuleke ndawonye kunye le counselling on related issues. Ukusonta doesnt mean that you dont enjoy life, coz most pple have wrong assumptions on christians.But i want to tell you that you are free to do anything as a christian as long as you have self controll in order to avoid sinning. Just like all beliefs, esikhristwini there is a bible of which christians must live according to, I am aware that noone is perfect in this world, but genuine christians really strive to live according to the bible. hope your questions are answered now......I wonder if you ever had about the holy trinity; thats the Father, Son and Holyspirit. Angizange ngithi UJesu ngowesibili.UJesu(SON of)yindodana kabab(GOD.
kodwa ke lithi ibhayibheli no one comes to the father except through His Son Jesus who is the way to the truth and the life... If you still not sure, plz dont hesitate to ask hey!
God Bless you
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1. Okwakuqala ngili LUME, isintu esiqondileyo esitsho indoda epheleleyo, kangisilo Tabane, yikho inhliziyo yami yavulelwa umkami kudala, "I can not let HIM in" ngoba kangilali lamadoda.

2. Ngitshilo ukuthi lawe uyakhankasa elakho iqiniso. Ngoba kuwe lamanye amaKirisetu uJesu is the only way to HIS father. Kwamanye njalo amaKirisetu he is the Father, he is the next King??? Nxa ezakuba yi next King kutsho ukuthi uyise usegugile. Ama Juda lapho azalwa khona bamuthi ngumfundisi nje. PHOKE OLEQINISA KHONAPHO NGUBANI NJENGOBA AKEKHO OSEVEZE UBUFAKAZI KULOKHO KWAQALA LO MBANGO KA JESU 500 years after his death??????????

3. Uchasise kahle sibili ngiyabonga ukuthi ukuSONTA yikwenzani. Yikho ke akwehlukananga lokuthethela ngendlela oyibeke ngayo. Umehluko usesikhathini okwenziwa ngaso umthethelo. Ngithanda unanzelele ukuthi esintwini, ULIMI lwesintu lwamaNDULO, kulomehluko phakathi kokuthethela loku THANDAZA. Umthandazo esintwini wenziwa yinxa yisiphi isikhathi. Loba uzihambela emgwaqweni uyenelisa ukuthandaza. Akulamkhuba. Ukuthethela kulomkhuba. Yikho lapho abosendo okumele bahlangane khona, babonisane, babonge, bakhonone, bachothoze, bathandabuze, bakhuleke, bacele, bathandaze. BEBONKE.

Ngaleyo ndlela, yikho ngiyangithi mina akunjalo ukuthi u"GOD" lo ose Bhayibhilini NgoNkulu-Nkulu. Lidlozi nje lezinye izizwe. Ibhayibhili liyabonisa ukuthi lidlozi. Benza i "BLASPHEMY" labo abathatha idlozi balithi selingo Nkulu-Nkulu.

Khangela ukuthi abanengi seziphambenne njani ngokukhonza amadlozi angasiwo akibo!!!!!!!!!! Bayamemeza emigwaqweni baze baginqe besithi "Abantu buyani ku Jesu". Uze umangale ukuthi kanti yena uJesu nxa enguNkuluNkulu, uzihluphelani edinga ukwaziwa??????????

Li Zwangendaba.

Bafowethu.

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Mahlab' ayithwale

Ngayakubingelela ngegama likaJesu mfowethu(Brother)
Ngiyakuzwa konke okutshoyo njalo lami ngilokululwazanyana ngezindimi loba nje ngingazi konke kodwa ngilokuncane engingakunikeza khona.

Zona kodwa izinto okuthiwa zindimi yizinto ezikhona njalo zikhona lasebhayibhilini.Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi umuntu ukhuluma ngezindimi uma umoya oyingcwele ungamehlela njalo nxa ekhuluma ngalezi indimi laye uyabe engazizwa ukuhti uthini. Lokhu sikuthola encwadini ka-Acts2:1-13. Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi abafundi bakaJesu babebonke ngelanga le-Pentecost endlini ephezulu njalo umoya oyingcwele wabafikela bakhuluma ngendimi ezehlukeneyo.

Nxa ungahamba encwadini ka 1 Corinthians Tshaphta 12 kusiya ku Tshaphta 14 sithola u Apostle Paul esithi izindimi lezi yizipho ezivela kubaba wethu osezulwini(Spiritual Gifts). Uthi uNkulunkulu usinika izipho ezitshiyeneyo abanye baphiwa izipho zokusilisa, abanye baphiwa izipho zokuporofita, abanye baphiwa izipho zokuchasisa izindimi njalo abanye baphiwa lezindimi.

Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi nxa umuntu ekhuluma ngezindimi uyabe engazizwa yena ukuthi uthini kodwa umoya oyingcwele ophakathi kwakhe yiwo oyabe usukhuluma loNkulunkulu. Kodwa angitsho ukuthi wena nxa ukhuleka ngokwakho uyabe ungakhulumi loNkulunkulu, uyabe ukhuluma loNkulunkulu kodwa uPaul yena ukubeka esithi,,"He who speaks in tongues edifies himself" ku 1 Corinthians 14:4. Omunye umuntu wathi engichasisela wathi lokhu kutsho ukuthi kuyabe kukhona izinto okuyabe uzikhulekele ungazi kodwa nxa usukhuluma ngezindimi ziyabe sezikhuleka zona.
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This is very consistant with ukuthethela. Ngoba esintwini bakhona labo abathethelela ISIZWE. Yibo abalesiphiwo sokukhuluma indimi zabokhokho ezakudala. Uzathola umuntu ephakathi kwabeSuthu, ethi nxa okwakwabo sokufikile uzwe eskhuluma isitonga. Zindimi ezibonisa ukuthi umuntu usekhuluma labaphansi.

Uxolo le ndaba ingenze ngafuna ukugcwalisa umbono wami wokuthi sithatha idlozi silenze ONkulu-Nkulu.

Li Zwangendaba.

Hatshi ke, Zwangendaba angisoze ngiphikisane lawe ngoba vele kukhanya ingani uqinile emadlozini akho, kuhle nxa uwakholwa. Kodwa mina ngithi hayi engimkhonzayo nguJesu, I have already told you my reasons so njalo angikusoli njalo angingeke ngikuthsinthe mfowethu. Matthew 16 vrs 13-19.Ngithemba this will answer your questions, that not until the spirit of God reveals this to you, uzahlala uzibuza imibuzo engapheliyo..
Jesus loves everyone njalo kadingi kwaziwa. He's got the whole world in his hands, He is the creator of the universe.
How can someone like that seek to be known.
iNkosi ikubusise bhudi...

Angiboni ukuthi ngingakhonza ikhiwa mina. Phela yena loJesu engimbonayo likhiwa.

Ingani ibhayibhili iyakuthso ukubana singakhonzi izithombe, kumbe imifanekiso.

UJesu wayengasilokhiwa. Wayengumutntu omnyama, elabafowabo labosisi. Kambe singavuma ukukhonza umfanekiso ka Leonardo da Vinci? Lokho kutshengisa ukungajuli kwemicabango yethu.

Bona abelungu bayasihleka kakhulu. Ungananzelela ibhayibhili lezinye izifundo zebhayibhili zigcwele imifanekiso yabelungu phakathi. Ngicela lingitshele bakaMthwakazi. Amakhiwa yibo yini abantu abangcwele? Kungani bengafaki izithombe zabantu abamnyama engwalweni zebhayibhili? Liyazi bathini abelungu? Bathi bona bangabantwana bakaNkulunkulu, thina singabantwana bakaHem yikho simnyama kanje ngoba uThixo wasijezisa, kumele siphenduke ukuze sisizwe.

Liyazi njani ukuthathela phezulu inkolo ongayaziyo kuyingozi enkulu kakhulu. Abelungu bakubona ukuthi thina vele ngemvelo sithanda ukubabaza into engekho, lokukholwa izinto ezingekho. Bahle babumba icebo lokubana basithumbe basibuse.

Balutshwane abazi ukuthi ingwalo ezibumba ibhayibhili zabhalwa ngabantu abansundu. Amakhiwa ayakhwazi lokho njalo bayakukhuluma, kodwa ngilethemba ukubana balutshwane phakathi kwethu abantu abalaziyo leli qiniso.

Mina engibona kufanele sikwenze yilokhu. Kumele sikhonze izifundo ezinhle, ezakhayo, hatshi ukukhonza umuntu. Kumele njalo sivuselele eyethu inkolo hatshi ukulandela inkolo yamakhiwa elobandlululo.

Bafowethu.

Cocco, Awungiphenduli. Uyayivika indaba.Ungivumele ngincindezele lokhu:
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Jesus Christ is the son of God and believing in our hearts we will be saved.
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Umbuzo elehluleka lonke nje ukuwuphendula ulapha:
1. If you are saved, you are saved from what????
2. What ever it is that you are saved from, how did you find yourself in that.
3. Once you have been saved, do you escape from that which had you in its grip in the first place??????????

Ngifuna sithi tackle these questions clearly. Udubo engilubonayo yikuthi you are SCARED you will be sinning if you question some of the falacies in your Bible. Labhalwa ngabantu yikho lilama "MISTAKES" amanengi and it is not an AUTHENTIC SOURCE to worship the Great Spirit ONkulu-Nkulu.

Li Zwangendaba.

You will be saved from going to hell.

mmhhh asazi shame hk hk kunzima liyazi

Bafowethu.

Ngincindezele.
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You will be saved from going to hell.
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What is hell, and where is it??????????
Why should I go to hell in the first place??????????

Li Zwangendaba.

Dont worry hk hk hk. no more dibates with you, find out when you get there. Ungathi U Cocco kakuthselanga ok!!!!

You have got your point dade,wena nxa ukholwa njengami ukuthi kulezulu njalo kulegehena hlala unjalo,ungaguqulwa ngabantu.

Why argue with some of these people who dont even believe in the bible.

No offence Mthwakazi hk hk

Bafowethu.

YOU ARE A STINKING COWARD.

Uyehluleka ukuphendula umbuzo. The reason is because you have no answer to my question. Uyakwazi ukuthi ozalandela lapho uzawaveza amanga akho.

THE REASON I SAY SO IS BECAUSE YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT YOUR WAY IS THE ONLY WAY TO ONKULU-NKULU. AND I AM SAYING IT IS A LIE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT WHICH YOU ARE PREACHING. YIKHO UKHALALA USUNGETHUSELA NGOKUTHI NGINGATHI NGIFIKA KHONA NGITHI KAWUNGITSHELANGA.

Ngitshilo ngathi lack of knowledge and fear of the unkown is what drives Christianity. LINGASETHUSELI. Kwedlula lama MISSIONARIES lokhu. Phendula umbuzo ukwenzela ukuthi ngikubonise ukuthi Akusiyo yodwa indlela ka oNkulu-Nkulu leyo. Yizifiso nje. It is like an Afrikan-Amerikan thinking that he is English because he has no other name he knows than an English name.

ANGIDINGI KUKUNTSHINTSHA KOKUKHOLWAYO. NGITHI UNGATHI YIYO YODWA INDLELA KA ONKULU-NKULU.

UYESABA UKUPHENDULA IMIBUZO YAMI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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Mfowethu uyalwa yini Zwangs hk hk hk

Br Zwangendaba
No point in arguing with you, thats why I said you will know what hell is when you get there. Thats what i can add to that, there is no fear here and what unknown are you talking about. My bible says "do not fear" so what do you think am afraid of?
angesabi lutho ngoba UNkulunkulu ungumelusi wami angiyikwesaba.
I'm sorry I didnt mean to judge you when i said you'll find out when you get there(to hell) coz i am not a jugde but there is a righteous Jugde in Heaven. But for a fact i know that as long as you dont believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is the son of God, and that he died for us now alive; you will not see heaven.

Bafowethu.

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Br Zwangendaba
No point in arguing with you, thats why I said you will know what hell is when you get there. Thats what i can add to that, there is no fear here and what unknown are you talking about. My bible says "do not fear" so what do you think am afraid of?
angesabi lutho ngoba UNkulunkulu ungumelusi wami angiyikwesaba.
I'm sorry I didnt mean to judge you when i said you'll find out when you get there(to hell) coz i am not a jugde but there is a righteous Jugde in Heaven. But for a fact i know that as long as you dont believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is the son of God, and that he died for us now alive; you will not see heaven.

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Mayuyu. Bengingathuki, ngiyaxolisa. Bengisithi ungayibalekeli indaba esenkundleni. Ngoba ungathi LABO ABANGAZI IBHAYIBHILI ubususithi batshiye SHAME kuzwakala angathi uyeyisa. Kodwa mina angikuthathi ngaleyo ndlela. Angiyeyiseki lakancane. Ngikuthatha ukuthi ligwala leli, alilampendulo. Njalo enkundleni umele wazi ukuthi nxa ulento yakho oyibikayo, bazakubuza abantu. Kumele uyiphendule hatshi ubugwala lobu obenzayo ubalekela indaba othi uyayazi.

Talk to me Cocco, Akuphendule lapha ungaphongu ku Khankasa:
1. Kuyini i Hell??????????
2. Kuyabe kutheni ukuthi ngiye khona??????????

Ungabokhalala lapha kuseNkundleni.

Li Zwangendaba.

ZWANGENDABA

I "hell" yi destination yokubhujiswa okuphakade.

Ukuze uzwisise ukuthi umuntu uya kanjani ku"hell" kudinga uqale ngokuzwiswisa lokhu: There are two spiritual forces at work lapha emhlabeni, and these are i-force yobubi leyokulunga. If you choose to live under the influence ye-force yokulunga you are destined for eternal life and if uphila ngeyobubi you are destined for hell.

to start with, Asimi engithe "Ngoba ungathi LABO ABANGAZI IBHAYIBHILI ubususithi batshiye SHAME kuzwakala angathi uyeyisa." I think Mahlaba said it, so he's the one whom you owe an apology.


Okwesibili HELL means eGehena lapho izoni ziyobhujiswa khona or Esihogweni, so you can make a decision of where you want to spend your eternity today. In other ways we can always tell our eternal destinations, whether it will be in heaven or helland I said that the only way to heaven is tru accepting and believing in Jesus Christ..

Uxolo Mthwakazi ngokungaphenduki enkundleni masinyane.

ISONTO lelilanga alikho vele isintwini seAfrica, leza lababuyi.Thina iviki lethu lilamalanga angu sikisi, iisithupha phela, kuqala uMvulo kucene Umqibelo kuphela nje, asikhumbuleni phela ukuthi amakhalenda emhlabeni awafanani.Isonto belingekho leza lebhayibhili.Singalibali njalo ukuthi ulwesithathu yilo ilanga obekuzilwa ngakhona ukusebenza esintwini sakithi.Yebo Mthwakazi omuhle lingaphawula

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ISONTO lelilanga alikho vele isintwini seAfrica, leza lababuyi.Thina iviki lethu lilamalanga angu sikisi, iisithupha phela, kuqala uMvulo kucene Umqibelo kuphela nje, asikhumbuleni phela ukuthi amakhalenda emhlabeni awafanani.Isonto belingekho leza lebhayibhili.Singalibali njalo ukuthi ulwesithathu yilo ilanga obekuzilwa ngakhona ukusebenza esintwini sakithi.Yebo Mthwakazi omuhle lingaphawula

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Mzinyathi mfowethu nxa lalingekho isintwini lelilanga ngicela ungilobele phansi amalanga eviki ngesindebele njengohleleka ayeyikho khona kungekezi abelungu njengokutsho kwakho.kumbe ungitshele ukuthi lalithiwani lingakaphiwa igama ngabelungu?

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Talk to me Cocco, Akuphendule lapha ungaphongu ku Khankasa,1. Kuyini i Hell??????????
2. Kuyabe kutheni ukuthi ngiye khona??????????

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Ihell baba zwangendaba kuzaba yilo uswazi lwabantu abangayilandelanga imithetho kaMdali,njalo unkulunkulu njengobaba olothando ufana lobaba olabantwabakhe ngekhaya,as much as the father loves his children and does everything for them,he has rules,any child that does not obey his rules is subject to punishment.

Umzekeliso,uAdamu loEva baphiwa yonke into ensimini yeEden kodwa baphiwa umthetho,bathi sebewuqamule,bajeziswa,yikhoke umdali uzajezisa bonke abeqa imithetho yakhe ngegehena elilomlilo.

Ngivumelana lawe Mahlaba, thank you. ulenkani yothshongololo u Zwangendaba kodwa ngeke imsize ke hk hk.

Mahlaba kusegcekeni lokhu njenge mbuzi iphakamise umsila.Uvumulo lusuku lokaqala evikini ulwesibili ulwesithathu ulwesine ulwesihlanu kugqiba umgqibelo 6days not 7days Ekhalendeni yesintu sakithi eafrika.Amakhalenda awafani emhlabeni ngokomdabu. Bengivele ngicacile lasekuqaleni.

Bafowethu.

NGIYABONGA NXA LINGIXOLELE. BESENGISITHI SENGIPHOXE IZININI ZAMI.

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Ihell baba zwangendaba kuzaba yilo uswazi lwabantu abangayilandelanga imithetho kaMdali.
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Bangaki abayilandelayo leyo mithetho. AKEKHO ngitsho layiyedwa. AKEKHO sibili. Kutsho ukuthi sonke siya khona. So it saves no purpose lento okuthiwa yikusindiswa. Abasindisiweyo BAYAPHINDA BONE FUTHI. SO kuncedani. Aliboni ukuthi yi THEORY leyo, yizifiso zika Amkela.

Li Zwangendaba

Bafowethu.

Ngincedise kancane ngombhalo wesintu ekulondweni kwezinsuku.

Esintwini liqinisa, iVIKI besingelayo. Yinto eyamkelekayo layo. Esintwini bekulondwa iNYANGA. Umvulo loba uMSOMBULUKO kuyilo ilanga lakuqala. Olwesibili, Olwesithathu oluyilo obeluzilwa ukugebha phansi, kanye lokuya emasimini. Olwesine obeluthiwa liSEKO. Olwesihlanu, Olwesithupha, Olwesikhombisa, Olwesitshiy-ngalo mbili, Kusiya njalo kze kuthi olwamatshumi mabili lesitshiy-ngalo mbili (28). Kuthi lelo langa elilandela lapho iyabe ingabonakali inyanga, besekuthiwa nsmhlanje siyayiGQIBA. Yiwo umGQIBELO. Lelo langa belithe Zi, kumnyama okwamagama.

Zibhalwe njalo embhalweni wesintu IZINSUKU. Makhosi.

Li Zwangendaba.

Yebo Sizwe sikaMthwakazi,

Ngizaqala lapha bakwethu- Sin: If there were such thing as Sin, this would be it: to allow yourself to become what you are because of the experience of others. This is the Sin which some of us have commited. We do not await our own experience (Isintu sakithi), we accept the experience of others (isiKhristu..etc)as gospel (literally).
Okwesibili, Some religions claim or have an idea that God shows up in only one way in life. That's dangerous idea. It stops us from seeing God all over. If we think God looks only one way or sounds only one way or is only one way, we're going to look right past him or her night and day. We will spend our whole life looking for God and not find HER because we are looking for HIM.I use this as an example.
Do you think there is a word which God never heard? A sight he never seen? or a Sound she never know? Some of the the religions think that God despise some of these, while love others. God despise nothing. None of it is repulsive to him. It is life, and life is the gift; the unspeakable treasure; the holy of holies. God is life, it's every aspect has a divine purpose. Nothing exists-nothing-without a reason understood and approved by God.
Bantu bakaMthwakazi, let's hold to our beliefs (isintu), and stay true to our values, for these are the values of Okhokho bethu..everything is acceptable in the sight of God, for how can God not accept that which is? To reject a thing is to deny that it exists. Our values, beliefs form the structure of our life, and to lose them would be to unravel the fabric of our experience. As Mthwakazians, let's hold on Isintu if it serves us. We will fight and defend Isintu loBuntu.
This is God's creation in which he is well pleased.

Kasibonisananeni, singeyisani njengalokho esikubona esiKhriswtini kumbe Ensontweni. Nxa kubahambela kuhle ama Khristu, makube njalo UMdali kabenzele okuhle...kodwa hatshi ukuthi indlela eya kuBaba ngeyodwa.

Ngiyabonga

Kunzima emuntwini othanda ukuzibusa ukuthi azehlise yikho kulokuphikisana, ikantike ukuholwa/chritianity ithi yona ayikho enye indlela yokuya kuYise(God)ungedlulanga kuyo indodana(Jesus).
Yikho okwenza abantu behluleke ukumkhonza ngoba kulemthetho elandelwayo njalo enzima, ukuzalwa kutsha/Born again akutsho ukuthi awusawoni, phinde, kodwa kuthsho ukuthi ngomusa ka Jesu lo - ngiyathethelelwa njalo ngiyazama ubungcono bami langa lelanga yikho kulomehluko omkhulu ekuthetheleni, ngiyathethela na emuntwini owafa ebhulwa yindoda ngithi uzasabela angisize mina uma elamandla anjalo wathini ukuba azincede kwezakhe izililo usezakuzwa ezami, umuyi, lamathambo umuhlwa kudala waqeda? In short give it up it's iether you are a christian and you thrive for heaven or you can thethela and awaken evil spirits which are still around because there is no room in heaven for them and they need someone like you to burn with in hell.

Mehlo madala bangakithi. ezokholo ziyangithathekisa kakhulu, kanti ngifunda njalo-nje kwizethulo zenu, sengathi lingahlala linjalo.

ngivumeleni kengithi fahlafahla amaganyana engawezwayo ngalindaba yokusonta lokuthethela.

1. ukusonta kuwela ngaphansi kwesahluko esithi isiKrestu. iphutha angiqondisisi kahle ukucindezela imidwebo bengizazama ukubeka i-tree diagram. ukusonta ngumkhakha/type wesiKrestu.

2. ukuthethela kuwela ngaphansi kwenkolo yesintu. ukuthethela akusiwo mkhakha wokholo lwesintu ngoba vele lunye, kodwa kungumkhuba kumbe inqgubo yesintu. ngesilungu singathi yi-ritual.
kwethu kusathethelwa lamanje ekupheleni komnyaka,kuyabekubongwa abadala kucelwa lendlela ezimhlophe emnyakeni ozayo kucelwa lempilo enhle njalo kuthethwa nxa lowo mnyaka ubelamashwa, njengezimfa ezingapheliyo, imikhuhlane, ukulahlekelwa yimisebenzi. kuyathethelwa laphakathi kwesikhathi nxa amashwa eseselekana ebantwaneni. ukuthethela ngama-rituals okholo lwesintu, njengokubuyisa/ukuchitha incekeza, lokuhlamba izimbiza, ukuchinsa, inkubalo(nxa kubhujiwe),nxa izulu lingani kithi esiKhalangeni omama benza amayile ezizibeni ezaziwayo obaba bebula inxoza not ingxoza, lapha kuyabe kuhlanzwa isandle kusethulwa amathambo ezinanakazana lezinyamazana ,lezidleke zabomawubane labothekwane. yonke lemikhuba ingaphansi kokholo lwesintu.

ngakho ukusonta singakuqhathanisa lokholo lwesintu hatshi ukuthethela. ngaphansi kokusonta akhona ama-rituals angalinganiswa lokuthethela njengombhabhathizo, isidlo, nxa ungumKhatholika kungaba lomqiniso okhisimusi o-easter, haloween, all saints day etc.


uSiphepheli ubuzile ukuthi ukuSabatha khona kubekwa ngaphi? ukusabatha kungumkhakha wokholo lwesiKrestu olunxantathu. kuleCatholicism/ubuRoma leProtestantism leAdventism/ubusabatha.
ubuSabatha bahlukile kulamanye amaprotestant ngoba bona buzimazisa ilanga langoMgqibelo amanye elangesonto njengabeRoma. ngakho ke amanye lamaprostestant lamaRoma bayasonto.

yikho ke la okungena umbuzo omuhle kaZwangendaba wokuthi kanti vele khona ukusonta kuyini?

kanti njalo omunye umlobi uthe sidinge elethu ibala elizamela ilanga langesonto. nxa silanda imbali leligama likasunday lize emuva kakhulu indimi ngqo ezaloba ibhayibheli, i-ancient Hebrew/Aramaic for the old testament and Greek for the new testament, azilalo leligama likaSunday/sonto. imbali ithi yona uNkulunkulu wadala umhlaba ngensuku eziyithupha waphumula ngolwesikhombisa. lezinsuku wazetha amagama wathi lusuku lwakuqala(sunday by pagans after the sun god), lwesibili(monday after the moon god), lwesithathu(tuesday twi[sp] the god of light), lwesine(wednesday the god of wood), lwesihlanu(thursday thunos the god of thunder), lwesithupha(friday frigios the god of cold), lelanga lesikhombisa(saturday after saturn the belted planet the city of astrology ). ilanga lesikhombisa yilo lodwa uNkulunkulu alipha ibizo wathi yiSabatha ngoba waphumula ngalo. abacwaninga ngezindimi bathola ukuthi indimi ngqo/languages ezedlula 40 something, ibizo langomgqibelo litsho intonye ukuphumula lamanye amagama ahambelanayo njengokuphetha, ukuqeda kanye lezinkulungwane zezindinyana/dialects.

ziqunywa amakhanda ziyekwe, ngiyabonga.

Bakwethu
Mina sengilahlekile kancane ngoba I thought ukuthethela was a ceremony done by those who subscribe to ancestoral beliefs, which i could say is equivalent to holy communion in the Anglican and Catholic faiths. Although the the word sonto simply means Sunday, ukusonta, as far as im concerned is an informal way of saying "attending church on sunday". Im not that clued up on religion and beliefs but what I can say is ukusonta is generally associatted with those who believe in christianity and ukuthethela with those who believe in their ancestors.

awulahlekanga ndawo Mshoza uqonde ncantsha. ukuthethela kulingana laso ngqo isidlo/Holy communion. ukusonta/isiKrestu besekulingana lenkolo yesintu. ukuthethela kungumkhuba wesintu kanti isidlo singumkhuba wesonto. ngakho, ukholo oluthile lulemikhuba lemikhutshana yalo.

Bafowethu.

Baba Lembe, uyitshaya okungikhumbuza imbali ka "GOD" ngendlela engabala ngayo e Brooklyn Library. This has been my argument all along. AMABIZO amanengi lawa esiwasebenzisayo ngamabizo abanikazi ababewasebenzisa OKHOLWENI lwabo, as you say, "PAGAN". This includes the name GOD itself.

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imbali ithi yona uNkulunkulu wadala umhlaba ngensuku eziyithupha waphumula ngolwesikhombisa. lezinsuku wazetha amagama wathi lusuku lwakuqala(sunday by pagans after the sun god), lwesibili(monday after the moon god), lwesithathu(tuesday twi[sp] the god of light), lwesine(wednesday the god of wood), lwesihlanu(thursday thunos the god of thunder), lwesithupha(friday frigios the god of cold), lelanga lesikhombisa(saturday after saturn the belted planet the city of astrology ). ilanga lesikhombisa yilo lodwa uNkulunkulu alipha ibizo wathi yiSabatha ngoba waphumula ngalo.
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For the input you made above, THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE HAS IMMORTALIZED WHAT YOU CALL PAGAN GODS BY NAMING DAYS AFTER THEM. THAT WAY WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE WILL CELEBRATE THE GOD OF LIGHT, "twi" EVERY TUESDAY. HE IS NOW IMMORTAL. THAT IS WHAT HIS DESCENDANTS WANTED WHEN THEY MADE US ALL RECOGNIZE "tuesday". This is the argument that the BANTU IZANGOMA put across when they say they can not accept a Name of a Human being used to address the GREAT SPIRIT "O-Nkulu-Nkulu".

I stand by that argument to the day ngikhothama. Makhosi.

Ngiyangithi mina IMIBHALO MINENGI. Umbhalo lo Mlando wesintu ukubeka sobala ukuthi AKWAZAKALI UKUTHI KWATHATHA INSUKU EZINGAKI UKUDALA IMIHLABA. Ngizagcizelela ukuthi "Imihlaba".

Uyatsho njalo uMlando woMdabuka ukuthi izinsuku zabekwa ngabantu belonda ukuthwasabula lokufa kweNYANGA, kumbe ngithi uNYEZI (LI-NYETI).

The children of the "GODS", The CAUCASIAN, used their own "PAGAN" influence on us because of their conquest, and today we immortalise their ancestors by calling the GREAT SPIRIT O-Nkulu-Nkulu after their ancestor humanbeing "GOTTI, GUTI, GOD".

Of Rituals, kumbe IZIMO, such as UKUGWABULA INGXOZA, kumbe IXHOZA, kumbe INXOZA, depending on your NGUNI dialect, I agree with you. A ritual is a branch or ceremonial practice of a "religion". I use this word "RELIGION" with extreme caution ngoba lalo libala lokuza elingeke lachasisa UMDABUKA WESINTU QHO.

Li Zwangendaba.

Asazi bakwethu mina ngililalele kodwa imdali munye,however you get or communicate with him does not really matter but sinanzele ingalahleki,uyatsho lombhalo ukuthi banengi abazeza ngegama likankulunkulu bazokhohlisa abantu.