Bakwethu,

Yini le nsumansumane ebizwa ngaleli gama? Kutshoni kithi na esiloba kule Inkundla? Sivikelekile ekungahitshelweni ngayo lensumansumane? Kumbe njalo sihleli sapashela umlilo wesela ngokusebenzisa imibhalo yezinye izikhwicamfundo njengeyethu? Singathola ngaphi amacebo lamaqhinga ekuzivikeleni ukuthi singatholakali sisikha amanzi emithonjeni yasemzini?

Akeni litsho zifundiswa zakwethu kwaMthwakazi.

Siphepheli,

Mfowethu le into oyibuzayo ibizwa Plagiarism hatshi plagiariasm, yinto ebalulekileyo ikakhulu emanyuvesi isetshenziswa yizifundi ikakhula nxa ixhesha loku henda in ama assignments lisuke labalincane.
Angithi ukuthi ivumelekile kodwa yinto ekhona nje kuwonkewonke.

Ngaphansi ngithole ukuqeqesha okuchasisa lento oyibuzayo from Indiana University website.

Here’s an example of quotation and paraphrase used together, which is also ACCEPTABLE:

Fall River, where the Borden family lived, was typical of northeastern industrial cities of the nineteenth century. As steam-powered production shifted labor from agriculture to manufacturing, the demand for workers "transformed farm hands into industrial laborers," and created jobs for immigrants. In turn, growing populations increased the size of urban areas. Fall River was one of these hubs "which became the centers of production as well as of commerce and trade" (Williams 1).

Why is this passage acceptable?

This is acceptable paraphrasing because the writer:

records the information in the original passage accurately.
gives credit for the ideas in this passage.
indicated which part is taken directly from her source by putting the passage in quotation marks and citing the page number.
Note that if the writer had used these phrases or sentences in her own paper without putting quotation marks around them, she would be PLAGIARIZING. Using another person’s phrases or sentences without putting quotation marks around them is considered plagiarism EVEN IF THE WRITER CITES IN HER OWN TEXT THE SOURCE OF THE PHRASES OR SENTENCES SHE HAS QUOTED.

Plagiarism and the World Wide Web
The World Wide Web has become a more popular source of information for student papers, and many questions have arisen about how to avoid plagiarizing these sources. In most cases, the same rules apply as to a printed source: when a writer must refer to ideas or quote from a WWW site, she must cite that source.

If a writer wants to use visual information from a WWW site, many of the same rules apply. Copying visual information or graphics from a WWW site (or from a printed source) is very similar to quoting information, and the source of the visual information or graphic must be cited. These rules also apply to other uses of textual or visual information from WWW sites; for example, if a student is constructing a web page as a class project, and copies graphics or visual information from other sites, she must also provide information about the source of this information. In this case, it might be a good idea to obtain permission from the WWW site’s owner before using the graphics.

Strategies for Avoiding Plagiarism
1. Put in quotations everything that comes directly from the text especially when taking notes.

2. Paraphrase, but be sure you are not just rearranging or replacing a few words.

Instead, read over what you want to paraphrase carefully; cover up the text with your hand, or close the text so you can’t see any of it (and so aren’t tempted to use the text as a “guide”). Write out the idea in your own words without peeking.

3. Check your paraphrase against the original text to be sure you have not accidentally used the same phrases or words, and that the information is accurate.

Terms You Need to Know (or What is Common Knowledge?)
Common knowledge: facts that can be found in numerous places and are likely to be known by a lot of people.

Example: John F. Kennedy was elected President of the United States in 1960.

This is generally known information. You do not need to document this fact.

However, you must document facts that are not generally known and ideas that interpret facts.

Example: According the American Family Leave Coalition’s new book, Family Issues and Congress, President Bush’s relationship with Congress has hindered family leave legislation (6).

The idea that “Bush’s relationship with Congress has hindered family leave legislation” is not a fact but an interpretation; consequently, you need to cite your source.

Quotation: using someone’s words. When you quote, place the passage you are using in quotation marks, and document the source according to a standard documentation style.

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It is better to be killed by your sworn enermy,
than to be murdered by your own treacherous brother.

MTG,

Ngiyabonga nsizwa ukusumela phezulu okwenzileyo. Ngizaxolisa ngempambaniseko ebekhona ekulobeni kwami, njalo ngibonge indlela onanzelele ngayo leyo mpambaniseko. Isilungu lesi seza kwelakithi ngomkhumbi mfowethu, kuthina amasili sazofika sesigade inqola ezidonswa zinkabi sigade lamahatshi, sikhulunywa ngabangelamadolo abalendlebe ezikhanya ilanga begqoke amakhowa ekhanda, hk hk hk.

Engizakugcizelela yikuthi kusamele sinanzelelisise nxa siloba ngolimi lokweboleka lolu ngoba impambaniseko ezincuncuncu nje ziyenelisa ukuguqula umutsho ngendlela emangalisayo.

Bantwana besilo asivalwanga lesi sihloko, ngiyazi ukuthi uMthwakazi uqeqeshile, asincedisanenini sonke bakithi ngobunengi bethu.

Mina ngithanda ukwazi ukuthi kutheni udingisisa nge plagiarism Mbancundini hk hk hk ??

Siphepheli,

Mina ungabongixolisa ngingumfowenu hk hk, abanye ubezwa besithi "It came by ship" lona lolulimi luyamangalisa ngempela yikho sisithi yisikhiwa.

Nga wawulalele ngolwesiHlanu uBongani etshaya idisco yakhe kunkundla ngafona ngimtshela ngengakuzwayo kukhulunywa ngomunye uJaha wesitshabini epronaunsa uSpecial.
Ama scottish lalamuhla alokhu esithi "I" nxa ethi yes,"nee" nxa bethi "no" yikho lapha engafunda khona ukuthi lolulimi luka Queen uma luyisecond language yakho, one way or the other kuyavela.

Back to Plagiarism, lami kuye kungiphice mfowethu ukuthi manje leyi Plagiarism iya affecta yini abafundisi'Pastors'na? ngoba amasermons sengathi siyaphindaphinda ukuwezwa emasontweni.
Lazo izihlabelelo zonke ungathi zaphuma kusihlabelelo saseWisili, le Watch tower layo ungathi iya plagiarizer.

MTG,

Ngiyakuzwa ndoda. Ngike ngaphendla nje mbijana ezihlabelelweni ngahlolisisa lezintshumayelo ngalinganisa konke lokhu lengcazelo oyinikeze ngaphambilini. Eish, njengomuntu owasebenzisa isavutha kumbalisikazi, kucishe kwangiphica.

Nginanzelele ukuthi izingoma ezisezihlabelelweni zalotshwa ngabantu abazimele bodwa hatshi amacawe, ngalokho uzafica ukuba amagama abo labobalobi balezo zingoma ananyathiselwe phezulu noma ngaphansi kwazo.

Nxa sibheka izintshumayelo sithola ukuthi abefundisi boqotho nxa be'khwotha' ngasogwalweni olungcwele bayawesho bewabetha ngamagama amabhuku, izahluko, lendinyana, kuthi asebeqeqeshile emanyuvesi baze batsho nokuthi ba'khwotha' luphi uhlobo logwalo olungcwele, isibonelo, "King James Version, NIV, Authorised Version, NKJV", njalo njalo nje. Abasebenzisi okulotshwe kugwalo olungcwele angathi ngumbono wabo kumbe yikuloba kwabo.

Angazi kumbe kuyabaluleka kumbe ngizigwenxile njalo, phela kwami lapha kukomnyama ubambile, isili elidala elilekhanda elomileyo okokuthi lenwele azisamili kilo, hk hk hk.

Mbacu
Khuluma baba, kungani ukhuluma ngalesi sihloko sendaba.
Madoda into lena ngibona sengathi iUniversal, uMartin Luther King has been accussed of the very thing, and his intelligence has been brought to question because of this thing.

Mbacu

I agree with the assertion by Tsunami as follows,

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...records the information in the original passage accurately. gives credit for the ideas in this passage. indicated which part is taken directly from her source by putting the passage in quotation marks and citing the page number...

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Its very important to adhere to the copyright laws. Research material must reflect the original details as specified directed by those laws.

Doc,

Ngiyabonga baba gqiha.

Manje singenzani ukuthi sizivikele kwi abuse yengqondo esingayenziwa kumbe esiyenziwa ngamaplagiarist noma ukuwela kulelo liwa lokuba yiwo amaplagiarist thina mselufu?

Mbacundini hk hk hk

Kanti lathi amaSili are we bound by laws and copyrights hk hk hk. How come our paintings on rocks has been used by the so-called civilised world without anyone respecting our patent rights or intellectual property? Thina njengamaSili besisithi only the law of the jungle rules since our important works of art have been looted and copyrighted by museums without compensation or ackowledgement of our artists.

Asazi njalo bakithi.

On another level, Mbacu the best way to protect yourself from possible criminal charges for plagiarism is to always state the source of your writing and ackowledge the author thereof. The best and easiest way is to put any words or phrases owacupha kwabanye in quotes eg Mbacu alleged that:

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ube ezingela izinyamazana ehlathini aze alunywe yinyoka

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If you do this no one will ever sue you, the court will just throw such a case out of the window.

Nkosi,

Hk hk hk hk hk. Ngiyabonga baba.

Kungabe kukhona ozayo leyinye impendulo yokugcwalisela na? Ngoba na ye umbuzo wami awumanga ekutheni simi ngaphi komthetho. Ngiqhubeke ngabuza, ukuthi pho senzani ngalabo abatshona bezama ukugebisa ingqondo zethu ngokusihlwahlwathela ngemisebenzi yabanye benza angani ngeyabo leyo misebenzi? Thina phela amasili njengoba lizizwele ngenkosi ingqondo zethu zingangentanga yompumpulwane, azenelisi ukuhlaziya njalo zikhwabithe i garbage enengi ikakhulu nxa ingelani lesikuxoxayo, phezu kwalokho leyo garbage intshontshiwe.

Kodwa idevelopment ayisicezanga kakhulu kangako ngoba nanko sesikwazi ukuxoxisana kuhle lamakhosi lezifundiswa labaqeqeshi abatshiyeneyo, singazange sadobha imikhonto lemitshoko, hk hk hk.

Mbacundini

Just to add a couple of amaxezu oxakuxaku worth of ideas again on this topic, note that there is nothing wrong with you or any member of the forum in utilising any person's written or unwritten ideas: as long as you seek permission from that person or organisation or if there is no need if you state the source of your post and acknowledge the author thereof.
It goes without saying that there is no need to invent the wheel. Now if you want to illustrate a point in this forum about Albert Einstein's Special Relativity Theory, you do not need to carry out a new experiment to prove this. This has already been performed by Eistein so you can go ahead and state the fact about relativity theory and illustrate it with relavant quotations as follows:

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Einstein, Relativity, and Time Travel

Einstein laid the basis for most modern theory on time travel in 1905 when he developed his special theory of relativity. This theory predicts that time passes slower for moving objects than for stationary ones, a phenomenon
termed time dilation. This was a significant discovery because it meant that space and time are not absolute as previously thought. A clock traveling at the speed of light ticks slower to a stationary observer than a clock at rest would.

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Kindly refer to link below for details: http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Spring/135-1/Projects/1/Einstein.htm

Lastly, a look at the Newzimbabwe.com news organisation, which is often quoted by vast members of this forum reveals the following advice for those who want to quote from their stories:

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All material copyright newzimbabwe.com. Material may be published or reproduced in any form with appropriate credit to this website

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Thank you very much for bringing this topic up. It is indeed a good educational oriented kind of topic which can help our young people in their various careers particularly in the academia because that is where plagiarism is viewed in a serious light. One must remember that a certificate can be withdrawn by any university or college if it transpires that a student actually plagiarised someone else's work without giving due credit thereof.

A more brutal attack against plagiarism is thoroughly illustrated in this recent incident that happened a few weeks ago here in South Africa:

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Plagiarism Isn't Ambiguous; It's Just Theft, Plain And Simple

Sunday Times (Johannesburg)

OPINION
February 7, 2005
Posted to the web February 7, 2005

By Charlotte Bauer
Johannesburg

Charlotte Bauer says grey areas are manufactured to protect the perpetrators

REALLY, plagiarism is a very straightforward kind of theft. It is not a grey area; it is not a matter of opinion. To think that a professional writer could commit plagiarism without realising it is as ridiculous as believing that a thief could take money from a purse without knowing it.

Yet in this country, as elsewhere, the concept of plagiarism has become conveniently controversial.
Writers who have been caught red-handed doing it almost always deny it. From Jayson Blair to Darrel Bristow-Bovey, the culprits usually respond with injured tones and persecuted claims about the motives of their accusers. Their supporters and mothers rally round and, in the end, the plagiarist probably starts to believe his own defensive publicity - he has done nothing wrong.
In this regard, the novelist Pamela Jooste stands half a head above the plagiarising crowd: though she has not been brave enough to confess to outright intellectual theft, she is prepared to apologise to the writer whose words she now admits she copied. At least she is squirming - as any writer who lays claim to original talent should.
It took her a while. Striking similarities between passages in Jooste's novel People Like Ourselves and passages in an article titled Theme Park City, written by Professor Lindsay Bremner for the Sunday Times, were noticed by a sharp-eyed reader last November.
Bremner, who held the Chair of Architecture at Wits University, became the first Sunday Times Bessie Head Fellow in 2001. In 2002, her commissioned series of articles about Johannesburg appeared in the paper.
Subsequently, Bremner fleshed out her award-winning narrative of the city's seismic shifts and contrasts in her book Johannesburg - One City, Colliding Worlds.

Anyone who doubts that Jooste plagiarised Bremner's work need only read the juxtaposed excerpts from Jooste's novel and Bremner's article published in last week's Sunday Times.

The apeing is obvious and unambiguous.

Jooste, caught in the act, has at least had the grace not to cry that she is the real victim. Still, her explanation is spun in the dry, denying language of lawyers: she made a mistake; she incorrectly adopted certain phrases; she misunderstood the law; she regrets; she did not intend; etc.

The pivotal point on which Jooste's "misunderstanding" hangs sticks in the craw. She is reported as saying she thought that because Bremner's work was "in the public domain", her unacknowledged cribbing of another author's material would not matter - Besides, Bremner's work was of a "purely factual nature".

I just don't buy that Jooste, a novelist of some repute and worldliness, is so ignorant as to think that any published writing may be grafted merrily onto another's name and stand as another's work. By this leap of logic no author would be safe, whether Shakespeare, Soyinka or Jerry Springer.

Bremner's intensively researched articles were insightful, provocative, creative - far from "purely factual". Yet Jooste implies that all journalism is the equivalent of a train timetable or a weather report - strictly informative with no interpretive power or purpose, and therefore not entitled to claims of authorship.

Anyone who has worked on a newspaper would have to admit that some of what ends up under the grand banner of journalism is thoughtless rubbish.

Yet for a novelist to discover a piece of journalism that is so much to her liking that she pretends she wrote some of it makes a mockery of her breezy dismissal. Jooste's lawyers state that their client apologises to Bremner "for any distress or embarrassment caused to her". Naturally Bremner must have been distressed, but Jooste is surely projecting her own embarrassment.

It is not embarrassing for Bremner, but it is deeply humiliating for Jooste, whose right to call herself a writer - let alone a successful and popular one - rests on the originality of her own creative voice.

But - and this is how the "controversy" of plagiarism is manufactured - Jooste already has sympathisers who cluck about negligence, as if she had forgotten to turn off the stove.

Anyhow, they say, there are no new ideas under the sun. Thus plagiarism is kneaded into a debate that spares the culprit blanket derision.

All writing worth its ink is informed by what we read: good reading is good writing's teacher. To be inspired to write, whether by the classics or by an advert for Calvin Klein underwear, is part of the writer's job. But anyone believing that a writer who copies out someone else's work like a naughty schoolchild writing lines is just doing their job is either stupid or cynical.

Ask two people to describe the same table lamp and you will get two subjective descriptions. They may be similar, but they won't be the same. Plagiarism is not two people describing the same lamp. Plagiarism is one person repeating word for word what the other has already said about it.

The most damaging aspect for Jooste, the artist, is that she risks being considered an untrustworthy storyteller by her readers, no matter how long and hard she has worked to establish her talent.

She must now return to her writing desk and face up to her failure: her failure to acknowledge Bremner's authorship but also, perhaps more painfully, her failure of imagination.

Bauer was Lindsay Bremner's editor on the Bessie Head Fellowship series

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Siphepheli,

To add on that information yase Indiana Uni, if one has used graphics from a particular site, usually pictures and some sort it is easy to find out the source by putting the curser on the picture and right clicking on it, then go to properties and left click, you will see the website were one would have sourced that picture.

That is also not plagiarising since everything is available through the knowhow of the technology.

Kuyabongeka baba, loba nje bengingakhangelele kwezemifanekiso kakhulu kangako, sengilolwazi manje lokuthi lumkhuhlane ungatholakala lekusebenziseni leyomifanekiso. Bengikhangelele ikakhulu encazululweni yokuthi ungasondela kakhulu kangakanani emazwini omunye umlobi kungakaphenduki kwaba yilowo mkhuhlane ebengiwudingisisa. Ngiyabonga.

Ngengibuze bantu? Whose responsibility is it to display the source of any form of text? The readers or the author??

Bafethu,

Leyo ke ebuzwa nguMabila lami bengizibuza yona iyangixaka ngoba kuyafana lasezifundweni one read the texts abhalwe ngabanye abantu and use the information to answer on their exam questions leading to one passing those exams.

eg a certain formular discovered by someone 70 yrs ago can be used by eg someone today to solve say a certain equation , does one have to indicate who is the source of that formular say when one is solving avery equation?

Phela lokuzala umuntu singakudingisisa kahle kungaba yikuplagiarizer hk hk hk imagine during intercourse undoda sithi nguDladla athi yena udiniwe, umfazi athi hatshi phinda mzala,sengathi umaDlamini uthi uBhanda wenza ubusuku bonke yikho elabantwana abahlanu, lawe yenza njalo.Enze uDladla njengoba umkakhe esefanisa amayenzo kaBanda,kube kuhle ke .
Does it mean tha if Madlamini has abantwana credit must go to the source of that idea which is information kaMadlamini eyobusuku bonke.
Nxa Okukijane sokukhulile sokuzidlalela ibhola kube kuthiwa "kungasoMadlamini nga awusobaba Dladla."hk hk hk .

Tsunami

You provided very good information in your above posts previously but your latest post and the examples contained therein are farfetched and irrelevant at best.
The bottomline is that if you use someone else's picture or drawing or graph, you simply write underneath indicating the source: eg Source: Lobengula Heritage Foundation.

Or if you have used a photographic picture, just state the name of the photographer at the bottom eg Photo credit: Themba Mthiyane.

Lobs,

Hatshi bo! mfowethu lapha bengithi sihleke kancane topi ngoba phela lazo ingqondo ziyabe sezidonseke kakhulu.
Ngilibele sengibhalile ukuba angikho ngale ezipikirini zembambo hk hk!

Bafowethu.

Kuyabongeka kakhulu lokhu elisenzela khona. Imithetho elotshiweyo (ROMAN-DUTCH) iyasixaka kancane.

Esintwini kukhona inganekwane ezethwa yizalukazi lamaxhegu kuzwekazi lonke le AFRIKA. Akwazakali ukuthi zaqalwa ngubani. UMA NGIFUNA UKUZILOBA PHANSI, LOMUNYE AZILOBE PHANSI, AZIZUKWEHLUKANA NGOBA ZIYAFANA KUZWEKAZI LE AFRIKA.

Kuba yi "Plagiarism" hk hk hk na??? Yeyi linzima leli gama.

Li Zwangendaba.

What should happen to those caught plagiarising on this forum bandla eliphakathi. It is very easy ukubamba i plagiarism. Umuntu kuba le departure esegcekeni form their usual genre. Kuba lomuntu oloba kuhle ngesilungu then all of a sudden besesiqonga simedlule hk hk hk hk.
Linga plagialayizi bantu kuyakhanya hk hk hk hk

Zwangendaba,

If you collect folklore and publish it, that can not be treated as plagiarism because no person can lay claim to its authorship. But when the collection is now published in your name, a second person wanting to use or refer to the folkore in your book will have to acknowledge you.

Mabila,

Since plagiarism is an academic crime, solid proof that someone has plagiarised is needed. It would not be adequate to simply accuse people of plagiarising simply because kuyakhanya as you say. Whether someone writes fluent English one day, and doesn't the next day does not in my view suggest that they are plagiarising. Although this might be a possibility. The variance might simply be due to circumstances. If a person writes in a hurry, he/she doesn't have time to measure diction and syntax and polish the presentation.

Ironically you ask:

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What should happen to those caught plagiarising on this forum bandla eliphakathi.

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Before you talk of others plagiarising, you need to start by acknowledging to the forum that your pay off line or signature (Ask not what Mthwakazi can do for you. Ask what you can do for Mthwakazi), which you modified is actually a famous line made by John F. Kennedy in his inaugural address on January 20 1961 which you plagiarised.

Kennedy said,

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And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.

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Paraphrasing someone's ideas and putting them in your own words and presenting them as your own is academic dishonesty and therefore plagiarism.

Perhaps the question to ask is: why do people plagiarise?

They do so to lay claim to the genius of other people, and to make a profit out of it. I will give an example. One young law lecturer got professorship at the age of 29 and this was billed as a rare feet at the University of Zimbabwe. Years down the line it became a scandal of national proportions when it emerged that the major book he used to get professorship was the dissertation of a student he supervised (the late Dr. Lawrence Tshuma). He blatantly plagiarised the entire dissertation verbatim and published it.

Imagine how much this professor has benefitted academically, economically, socially and politically by having professorship he does not deserve? Tshuma, the author of the ideas and the entire work, got nothing! The man is still enjoying massive royalties from the book, and will continue to do so for years to come, as it is a masterpiece on family law in Zimbabwe. Into ezwisa ubuhlungu yikuthi indodakazi kaTshuma, his only child, will probably grow up in difficult conditions, while another man and his family, are enjoying the full benefits of her father's work and brilliance. To that effect plagiarism is very bad indeed, and should be condemned.

For those of you who used to follow the election campaign of 2000, you would remember that Jonathan Moyo was fond of accusing certain members in the echelons of the MDC, as plagiarists. Wayesitsho lumfokazi onguSecretary General weMDC. Kuyayangisa njani ngoba liNdebele. He is a charlatan indeed. Unfortunately Lawrence Tshuma tragically died in a car accident before the case was resolved.

Ngiyabonga Samdala!

Mabila,

Njengoba utshilo wathi:

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Pho singenzani nxa siplajarayiza kulinkundla? Asiqambaneni, sivezane ukuze silimukisane. Mina angiboni into embi ngoba kwesinye isikhathi umuntu uyaplajarayiza engajonganga ukwenza njalo.

Samdala,

Ngicela uvule i private messaging facility yakho siphendulane kahle kahle!

Hawu Mabila

Wampizela ngasese ngokuphangisa uSamdala, lathi besisamunyamunya elikhuluma kangakho. Indaba le inganceda abanengi.

Somdala,

Uyibeka kahle muntu omdala njalo kayidingi iruler.

I remember once upon a time on this forumn when the likes of my brother Marcus, Mdu, and Lobs,Mtshede and others would wrestle each other on similar topics ,one would have mistaken this site for a Distance learning University .

People like you are very useful ndoda as ubone ngale kukhulunywa nge credibility yaliNkundla ukuba abahlonitshwa abanjengani will steer us forward sidinga ukuba sincedise uSibalukhulu ngalomsebenzi wokusinikeza iguma lakhe leli.

Angisozengitsho amanengi ngale iplajarayizingi ngoba ngake ngatsho ngaphezulu.Ngithole eminye imibhalo nje lami ngizitaditshela ngalomfundi ongaphezulu engifisa ukuba ingaba yi insight into how people develop themselves from sharing information without behaving like SCHOOL MATRONS OR EXAMINATION MARKERS NGOBA LAPHA SIKU DISCUSSION FORUMN HATSHI KU EXAMINATION CLASSROOM THERE FORE EVERY BIT OF DATA EFAKWA NGOMUNYE MIGHT BENEFIT THE NEXT PERSON.

"Socrates was obedient to the laws of Athens, but he generally steered clear of politics, restrained by what he believed to be divine warning. He believed that he had received a call to pursue philosophy and could serve his country best by devoting himself to teaching, and by persuading the Athenians to engage in self-examination and in tending to their souls. He wrote no books and established no regular school of philosophy. All that is known with certainty about his personality and his way of thinking is derived from the works of two of his distinguished scholars: Plato, who at times ascribed his own views to his master, and the historian Xenophon, a prosaic writer who probably failed to understand many of Socrates's doctrines. Plato portrayed Socrates as hiding behind an ironical profession of ignorance, known as Socratic irony, and possessing a mental acuity and resourcefulness that enabled him to penetrate arguments with great facility.

Teachings

Socrates's contribution to philosophy was essentially ethical in character. Belief in a purely objective understanding of such concepts as justice, love, and virtue, and the self-knowledge that he inculcated, were the basis of his teachings. He believed that all vice is the result of ignorance, and that no person is willingly bad; correspondingly, virtue is knowledge, and those who know the right will act rightly. His logic placed particular emphasis on rational argument and the quest for general definitions, as evidenced in the writings of his younger contemporary and pupil, Plato, and of Plato's pupil, Aristotle. Through the writings of these philosophers, Socrates profoundly affected the entire subsequent course of Western speculative thought.
Another thinker befriended and influenced by Socrates was Antisthenes, the founder of the Cynic school of philosophy. Socrates was also the teacher of Aristippus, who founded the Cyrenaic philosophy of experience and pleasure, from which developed the more lofty philosophy of Epicurus. To such Stoics as the Greek philosopher Epictetus, the Roman philosopher Seneca the Elder, and the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, Socrates appeared as the very embodiment and guide of the higher life."

Banengi abangabe behluleka ukubhala lesi sikhiwa, kodwa iWisdom yabo iyabe izwakala kuphela okuyikho esikudingayo.

Ma ngikhumbula kahle kuluomuntu owathi ufuna ukubhala iHistory yakoMthwakazi, wacela abantu ukuba bacontrubuthe kuTopic efanayo, bengicela ukubuza ukuba lelobhuku selabhalwa yini njalo who will it be credited to, each individual awancedisayo or to Inkundla forum lawo ma royalties wona azadliwa ngubani?

Qhubeka jaha elidala ufundisa.

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A man is wise with the wisdom of his time only, and ignorant with its ignorance.

Umbuzo:

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Ma ngikhumbula kahle kuluomuntu owathi ufuna ukubhala iHistory yakoMthwakazi, wacela abantu ukuba bacontrubuthe kuTopic efanayo, bengicela ukubuza ukuba lelobhuku selabhalwa yini njalo who will it be credited to, each individual awancedisayo or to Inkundla forum lawo ma royalties wona azadliwa ngubani?

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Okokuthi selabhalwa angikwazi. Umlobi walelo bhuku nguye ongatshela Inkundla ukuthi uhlelo lokubhala ibhuku lumi ngaphi.

Umnikazi webhuku ngumlobi walelo bhuku, kumbe abalobi balo nxa bebanengi. Lina elaphathisayo liyananzwa, ngokugcweleyo, nxa umlobi esebenzisa ulwazi aluthola kini, loba lelolwazi aluthola ngomlomo (oral information), aqambe usuku lendawo lapho elenzela leyo-interview. Nxa kuyimibhalo uyabhala ukuthi wayithatha ngaphi, leyo mibhalo. Nxa ivela ku-internet he/she will have to put the ful url, and give date accessed. Ngaleyondlela Inkundla website is covered and acknowledged as a source of information. Uzaphinda njalo afake amabizo enu wonke kumareferences, munye ngamunye. Nxa esenze njalo, he/she is covered, she/he has acknowledged you as informants, or sources of information. Kodwa engibona kuzahlupha lapha yikuthi abantu abasebenzisi amabizo abo oqobo. Pho umlobi uzalinanza njani ukuthi lamphathisa ngolwazi lwenu, engawazi amabizo enu?

Ibhuku ngelikamlobi ngakho amaroyalties ngawakhe. Lina maInformants alila sheya kilo. Uzananzelela ukuthi kwehlukile kulale indaba kaTshuma engike ngayithinta phezulu. UTshuma ngingathi by right he was entitled to the royalties because he had written the book himself. Lo umahlakanipheni wasethatha ehambisa imanuscript kumapublishers.

Lo umlobi wenkundla angithi uyazibhalela, he/she processed raw data which he/she gathered from here and elsewhere into information which becomes a valuable contribution to that specific field of knowledge he/she is writing about. Ngaleyondlela the credit goes to the author. Informants are fully acknowledged and that is adequate and acceptable in academic practice.

Engithanda ukuphetha ngakho yikuthi kubo bonke abafundi emaYunivesithi linanzelele olecturer bayathanda ukutshontsha amaIdeas abafundi. Idissertation yakho ungafica isiphabhulishiwe ngumbalisi wakho, isiyichapter loba ibhuku ngokwalo. Qaphelani, amaNdebele athi ilifa lezithutha lidliwa yizihlakaniphi.

Bafethu,

Bengicela ukuzwa kumlobi owathi ubhala ngaleyi History esikhuluma ngayo, njalo asazise ukuba lomsebenzi usukusiphi isigaba.

Ngingajabula uma ngingathola impendulo.

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Is it so bad to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh.

Tsunami

The project on the re-writing of our history was performed by UK based Mthwakazian historian Dr S Gatsheni-Ndlovu and a team of field researchers.
This project formed part of his Masters and PhD theses which were based precisely on Ndebele History from 1930s to round about 2001/2.

This work has been done and completed. When Dr Gatsheni recently visited Stellenbosch University in South Africa on academic assignments, I had an opportunity to discuss with him about the project and he duly gave me the draft copies of the book which has to be published anytime from now.

He indicated to me that the same draft had been sent to some Oxford reviewer for peer review and criticism. I have a draft copy with me and the only thing remaining is getting a publisher to do the job. Currently there is a Mthwakazian member of this forum who has a publishing company whom we are talking to with a view to get him to do the publication.
So in a nutshell the project has been done and completed. It just needs to be published and discussions with publishers are ongoing. One must remember that publishers first assess the possible market size and readership of any publication prior to printing. Because the book is very much of a factual historical nature and also of an academic posture, it makes sense for Dr Gatsheni to seek peer review from other experts on the subject prior to publication.

Lobs,

Ngiyabonga ngempendulo yakho, njolo kuyakhuthaza ukuzwa ukuba kulamadoda enza izinto eziphutshayo phakathi kwethu lapha enkundleni.

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Is it so bad to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh.

Bantwana besilo,

Ngiyabonga ngokusukumela phezulu elikwenzileyo kulo umkhosi ebengiwuhlabile.

Ngibonga kakhulu imfundiso kunye nezixwayiso ezivele kuwo wonke amagumbi amane kaMthwakazi. Sixoxisane kuhle, saxwayisana kuhle, sakhuzana kuhle, njalo safunda kuhle okumangalisayo.

Ukuphendula eminye imibuzo ebiqondiswe kimi kungangithathela ilanga lonke bakwethu ngize ngilaluke sengilibhowile. Okuqakathekileyo wukuthi bengingaqondisanga imibuzo yami emuntwini oyedwa ngimsola kumbe ngezinye njalo indlela. Bengidinga ukufunda ngoba sengilizwe kanengi lelogama nxa bengizama ukuzinceda lokuzithuthukisa ngokubala izingwalo. Belingiphica nje ikakhulu nxa beliqathaniswa le 'para-phrasing'. Hayi ke kodwa sengifundile njalo ngithemba akusimi ngedwa engibusisekileyo.

Ngiyabonga bakwethu.

MABILA,
I DO NOT WANT TO DEFAME ANY ONE BUT I THINK BONKE OMAKOPA LAPHA ENKUNDLENI BASOBALA. (1) KABEQIWA TOPIC. (2) THEIR ARGUEMENTS ARE INCOHERENT. (3) WHEN THEY TRY TO WRITE WITHOUT PASSING OFF OTHER PEOPLES' IDEAS AS THEIR OWN THEY USE NDEBDELE AND SOMEHOW THEY SEEM TO MAKE MORE SENCE WHEN THEY DO.
SOUNDS LIKE ..............

Hk hk hk hk, zithathele Thandindaba. Gijima layo baba. Sizakufakazela singezelele ngokukuqakezela. .

Bakwethu,

Sokukhanya sekuveza ikhanda lakho elibi njalo lokhu okuyisinanakazana. Mazinyane esilo asizameni ubungcono sitshengisele umahluko phakathi koluntu lobutshabi. Ukweba imisebenzi yabanye kubi Mthwakazi, kasikuxwayeni. Ngiyazi ukuthi njengamaqhawe namaqhawekazi esiyiwo siyazithanda njalo siyazigqaja ngokuba original and innovative, kangako lesisicelo kumbe ngithi isixwayiso ngilethemba asizukulavukisa ulaka nobhova kodwa sizenza sonke sizinuke amakhwapha (hatshi umakhwapheni hk hk).

Ngiyabonga ngokukhulu ukuhlonipha.

Kanti lakhuluma ngepligiarism Mthwakazi, Kukhona yini abamakayo amacontributions ethu kumbe ngithi amacontributions lawa ayapublishwa kumaJournals? Ngifuna ukwazi bakithi.

KuMthwakazi omhle,

Maqhawe namaqhawekazi, ngivumeleni ngiphendule elinye iqhawe/kazi umbilaka.

Uzangixolela mnakwethu, ngoba sekungani sengigodle Inkundla, bekumele nginikeze kumbe ngivulele abanye labo babeke ezabo izimvo mandubana ngiphinde ukubeka olwami.

Ukukuphendula, ngizathi 'mina mselefu' bengingazi ukuthi kunga kukhona kule Inkundla lokho okubethayo wena othi yiku 'maka', kumbe utsho okokuqondisa kumbe utsho lokhu okwenguqu ke asazi lapho. Njalo lami angijonganga ukukwenza kumbe ukukukhuthaza lokho okungumkhuba. Ngenhlonipho enkulu ngizacela ukuthi ubalisise uzwisisise lapho engivele layo lendaba. Lapha angiqondisi ogilama, kumbe izispele, kodwa ngizama ukukhuthaza amazinyane eSilo ukuthi 'ahlukuzise ingebhezi' hatshi ukunamathisela imisebenzi yabanye eyenze eyawo.

Besengithi nje kancane, ungixolele ngoba mina ngilisili eliphuma enkangala okunenginengi angikuzwisisi, yikhona nje ubona ngaqala ngabuza ngale insumansumane, ngathola ingcazelo ngingakaze ngilikhiphe kowami elokuthi kukhona okunuka santungwana. Nxa sikhuluma ngephabhulishingi leyo, sibalela kumajenali wodwa kumbe nje lezigungu ezinjengasolesi ziyabandakanyelwa phakathi kwezephabhulishingi leyo?

Nxa kuyikuthi lento yepulajalizimu ivunyelwe kuzozonke izigungu ngaphandle kwamajenali lawo, hayi kabi, mina sili elidala ngiyayixolisa Inkundla, kodwa nxa kungenye indlela, hatshi ke mina njengoMuthwa, u'ung'bonabonele ngaphi', odinga ukwakha lokuntshukuntsha isizwe soqotho ngizakwala ngilokhe ngiklabalala ngenkani ngiphezu kwoqaqa, bazonde abazondayo, baphoxe abaphoxayo, bancife ongqavungqekethe, zisole insoli, baheme abalomlandu, ekucineni abazimiseleyo ukwakha isizwe senceku ezithembekileyo, hatshi amasela, lalabo abalokuziqhenya ngokuvuka bezenzele bazafakaza ukuthi mubi lowomkhuba.

Lingizwisise bandla, ukuthi angivumelani laba'maka' imisebenzi yabanye ngaloba yiphi indlela, kangako nxa bekhona bakwenzayo lokho, hatshi ke 'abazinuke amakhwapha'. Kodwa nxa kukhona izigelekeqe, inswelaboya, izigilamikhuba ezeba imisebenzi yabanye abantu zizeyinamathisela kule Inkundla njengeyazo, ngithi mpthu! aziyicine leyonto, imbi, iyenyanyeka! Njalonje nxa kukhona abalo'bunke' bokuthi nxa sikhuzana lapha badinge ukuvika ngeminwe indaba isegcekeni okwesitho sembuzi ikufulathele, lani ngithi kini mpthu! alakhi ngokwenzenjalo kodwa liyadiliza lifuna ukubulalisa isizwe ngembale 'zemililo yamasela'.

Asakhaneni bantu abahle.

Ayihlome!

Angikuzwa ukuthi uthini njalo angiphendulekanga.

Hayi ke sengizatshiyela abanye ukuthi bekuchazele, kumbe njalo bekukhombise ukuze uzwisise.

Ngiyabonga!

Lami ngiyalizwa bafethu nabodade.

Ngicele ukuvumelana lobaba u Thandindaba ikakhulu. Kuyazikhanyela sibili labo abakopayo kwezinyindaba lapha, like Thandi says amazwi abo abamanengi kakhulu engayindawo, bezwakala sama activits loba engcwethi kuzwa kodwa ole mpakathi-phezu-ngqondo (imagination) uyabona nje labobantu. Uyakutsho futhi uThandi abeqwa topic ngitsho.

Ahh kodwa lami ngiba njalo samuthamuzi hk hk hk uxolo, ngazibopha.

Kodwa amaqiniqini sibili laba bantu they are just an eye-sore ku readability of Inkundla stuff. Ake bazinukamakhwapha. Asikufuni khonkwana.

Kahleni ngigetse laa 'ummmmmm bayabe be lamaphepha akotshonolwizinto zakhona? yebo? hayi ahh yikuzilimazingqondo phela, wayi ungasebenzisi ezakho?'

IPlagiarism loba ususiyaphi yinto embi, njalo uyabotshwa 'ufele jele' hk hk hk ahiii!! umuntu ngofundukusebenzisa ezakhe. Laphengisebenza khona lakwezinyindawo ungaveluzame ngitsho, ngoba konke kuyobe kuku 'net' kuyahle kutshengise umutsho ofana lawonalowo, kubanike le website lakho konke nxa wakuthatha ku website, njengoba abalobi sebetshaya ngokuncane i Copyrights sebezifakela kuinternet...heyi lina hanti u Google utsho inkalakatha yenhamba engabhalekiyo, elamaphawazi alamakhoma lama star hayiaaa, enkulu kakhulu.

Ngakhoke i Plagiarism imbi nje mthetho wayo.